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Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3190] Thu, 16 October 2008 11:23 Go to next message
Steve
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If you support the UPA you should boycott Five Ultimate. They are
sponsoring a rival known as Conference 1.

http://cultimate.com/conference1/
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3196 is a reply to message #3190] Thu, 16 October 2008 11:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
McB
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On Oct 16, 2:23 pm, Steve <corfree...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you support the UPA you should boycott Five Ultimate.  They are
> sponsoring a rival known as Conference 1.
>
> http://cultimate.com/conference1/

Allegedly. The "information" on that site has already proved fairly
suspect. Let's not take drastic measures prior to confirmation of all
the info.
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3200 is a reply to message #3196] Thu, 16 October 2008 11:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jeff
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I think Five Ultimate is confused on which side they are on in this
argument. IFiveUltimate sponsors Coaching Clinics and had a hand in
the World's uniforms. They offer discounts to teams from
Conference1. They offer discounted jerseys to leagues.

The only people I think FiveUltimate is against is tall, fat, aging,
male Ultimate players because their XL's are a little too tight around
the belly.


If you support the UPA you should boycott FiveUltimate

On Oct 16, 2:32�pm, McB <Christopher.M.McBr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 2:23�pm, Steve <corfree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If you support the UPA you should boycott Five Ultimate. �They are
> > sponsoring a rival known as Conference 1.
>
> >http://cultimate.com/conference1/
>
> Allegedly. The "information" on that site has already proved fairly
> suspect. Let's not take drastic measures prior to confirmation of all
> the info.
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3201 is a reply to message #3190] Thu, 16 October 2008 11:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alex Peters
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If you want to boycott Five Ultimate, it should be because they steal
photos from poor ultimate photographers without permission (having to
go around security measures to do so), then use them on their website
so they can profit from the exposure. They then do not remove said
photos from their website after being discovered, or remit clearly
owed payment despite being asked to do so.

Don't support photo thieves.

Boycott Five Ultimate, support businesses like http://forcemiddle.com/
who ask permission, and pay for photos when they are to be used
commercially.

p.s. Patagonia is better anyway. And cheaper.
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3209 is a reply to message #3200] Thu, 16 October 2008 11:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael McNeil
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On Oct 16, 2:40 pm, Jeff <Jffr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think Five Ultimate is confused on which side they are on in this
> argument.

I agree:

http://bamasecs.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/five-ultimate-contr adicting-conference1/
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3210 is a reply to message #3209] Thu, 16 October 2008 12:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jeff
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On Oct 16, 2:52�pm, Michael McNeil <rmichael.mcn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 2:40�pm, Jeff <Jffr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think Five Ultimate is confused on which side they are on in this
> > argument.
>
> I agree:
>
> http://bamasecs.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/five-ultimate-contr adicting-...

I think you do not know about Five's secret plan to secretly lace each
jersey with a special secret chemical that is guaranteed to turn Kill
Mode into Kum ba yah. That is why Wisconsin was targeted ...
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3221 is a reply to message #3201] Thu, 16 October 2008 12:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kirby
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On Oct 16, 2:50 pm, Alex Peters <muis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you want to boycott Five Ultimate, it should be because they steal
> photos from poor ultimate photographers without permission (having to
> go around security measures to do so), then use them on their website
> so they can profit from the exposure.  They then do not remove said
> photos from their website after being discovered, or remit clearly
> owed payment despite being asked to do so.
>
> Don't support photo thieves.
>
> Boycott Five Ultimate, support businesses likehttp://forcemiddle.com/
> who ask permission, and pay for photos when they are to be used
> commercially.
>
> p.s. Patagonia is better anyway.  And cheaper.

Patagonia is definitely not cheaper. I just price shopped the fuck out
of both of them
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3252 is a reply to message #3221] Thu, 16 October 2008 14:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bbuck[1]
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Lucas is Five Ultimate evil??

Bbuck
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3262 is a reply to message #3221] Thu, 16 October 2008 14:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alex Peters
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On Oct 16, 3:41 pm, Kirby <Delar...@oneonta.edu> wrote:
> Patagonia is definitely not cheaper. I just price shopped the fuck out
> of both of them

Patagonia's base jersey (which, I repeat, is nicer) is $17. Five's is
$20. Now maybe Five is giving special discounts on screen printing or
something, but you can probably find a local printer to match their
prices.
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3278 is a reply to message #3196] Thu, 16 October 2008 16:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael McNeil
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On Oct 16, 2:32 pm, McB <Christopher.M.McBr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 2:23 pm, Steve <corfree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If you support the UPA you should boycott Five Ultimate.  They are
> > sponsoring a rival known as Conference 1.
>
> >http://cultimate.com/conference1/
>
> Allegedly. The "information" on that site has already proved fairly
> suspect. Let's not take drastic measures prior to confirmation of all
> the info.

Well, Five Ultimate has confirmed a partnership with Cultimate now:

http://bamasecs.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/five-ultimate-respo nds/
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3290 is a reply to message #3278] Thu, 16 October 2008 17:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rdelcasino
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On Oct 16, 7:36 pm, Michael McNeil <rmichael.mcn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 2:32 pm, McB <Christopher.M.McBr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 16, 2:23 pm, Steve <corfree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > If you support the UPA you should boycott Five Ultimate.  They are
> > > sponsoring a rival known as Conference 1.
>
> > >http://cultimate.com/conference1/
>
> > Allegedly. The "information" on that site has already proved fairly
> > suspect. Let's not take drastic measures prior to confirmation of all
> > the info.
>
> Well, Five Ultimate has confirmed a partnership with Cultimate now:
>
> http://bamasecs.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/five-ultimate-respo nds/

Five ultimate sets up deals for team packages that end up making them
cheaper than patagonia, and patagonia has expensive printing. Five
also works with youth programs and what not giving them discounts.
They're a good company with good products and it's silly to boycottt
them over sponsoring c1.
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3296 is a reply to message #3262] Thu, 16 October 2008 17:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
clrydin
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On Oct 16, 4:53 pm, Alex Peters <muis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 3:41 pm, Kirby <Delar...@oneonta.edu> wrote:
>
> > Patagonia is definitely not cheaper. I just price shopped the fuck out
> > of both of them
>
> Patagonia's base jersey (which, I repeat, is nicer) is $17.  Five's is
> $20.  Now maybe Five is giving special discounts on screen printing or
> something, but you can probably find a local printer to match their
> prices.

if you order patagonia jersey's with a team, they are $12/shirt.
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3301 is a reply to message #3296] Thu, 16 October 2008 17:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Doc Braunson
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Junior Member
At Potlatch this year i was sitting in the FIVE ULTIMATE tent with my
teammates on the couches provided and saw people getting tattoos and
Argyle jerseys and Plaid shorts and said: "these guys are good for
Ultimate" All of the Titcombs love the game, love grassroots, and
love getting cool fun quality clothing on ultimate players of all
levels.

DON"T BOYCOTT FIVE ULTIMATE

Brian Howard
#10 DIRT
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3309 is a reply to message #3190] Thu, 16 October 2008 18:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
T1000
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On Oct 16, 11:23 am, Steve <corfree...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you support the UPA you should boycott Five Ultimate.  They are
> sponsoring a rival known as Conference 1.
>
> http://cultimate.com/conference1/

Wait . . . so because you don't like Conference 1, we should hurt
their clothing provider? How is that productive?

Let's suppose you're successful, and you send some strong message,
like, "Traitors will not be tolerated," or something vaguely similar,
and Five Ultimate decides they can't afford to lose business with UPA
members. Well, Cultimate wouldn't care; they'd approach VC, and
Gaia. If you boycotted them, they'd approach Patagonia, etc.

Boycotting Five isn't exactly hitting Cultimate where it hurts; it's
hitting Five where it hurts.
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3310 is a reply to message #3309] Thu, 16 October 2008 18:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Daag Alemayehu
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On Oct 16, 9:23 pm, T1000 <atanarj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wait . . . so because you don't like Conference 1, we should hurt
> their clothing provider?  How is that productive?
>
> Let's suppose you're successful, and you send some strong message,
> like, "Traitors will not be tolerated," or something vaguely similar,
> and Five Ultimate decides they can't afford to lose business with UPA
> members.  Well, Cultimate wouldn't care; they'd approach VC, and
> Gaia.  If you boycotted them, they'd approach Patagonia, etc.
>
> Boycotting Five isn't exactly hitting Cultimate where it hurts; it's
> hitting Five where it hurts.

This is the most flawed logic I've read on rsd in a long time (and
that's saying something). Think about what you just said. You just
said taking away one of Cultimate's sponsors won't hurt them. You
really think Cultimate "wouldn't care" if one of their main partners
gave up on them? Wow.

Cultimate would approach VC, Patagonia, Gaia, etc., but who's to say
that any of them would agree to provide subsidized jerseys to C1 teams
as Five Ultimate has? And supposing Cultimate finds a taker, who's to
say they'll strike up a new agreement as profitable as the one they
have with Five right now? Of course Five would be hurt by a boycott -
that's what boycotts are for! - but why on earth would you think
they'd be the only ones affected? Just think about what you're
saying.
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3312 is a reply to message #3309] Thu, 16 October 2008 18:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jay Schulkin
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On Oct 16, 6:23 pm, T1000 <atanarj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 11:23 am, Steve <corfree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If you support the UPA you should boycott Five Ultimate.  They are
> > sponsoring a rival known as Conference 1.
>
> >http://cultimate.com/conference1/
>
> Wait . . . so because you don't like Conference 1, we should hurt
> their clothing provider?  How is that productive?
>
> Let's suppose you're successful, and you send some strong message,
> like, "Traitors will not be tolerated," or something vaguely similar,
> and Five Ultimate decides they can't afford to lose business with UPA
> members.  Well, Cultimate wouldn't care; they'd approach VC, and
> Gaia.  If you boycotted them, they'd approach Patagonia, etc.
>
> Boycotting Five isn't exactly hitting Cultimate where it hurts; it's
> hitting Five where it hurts.

If such a boycott were successful, then it likely would be successful
against VC or Gaia or Patagonia as well.

Furthermore, boycotting a partner company is a successfully proven
tactic. It's analogous to boycotting the sponsor of a TV show you
think is objectionable.
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3315 is a reply to message #3252] Thu, 16 October 2008 19:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Squirrel
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Lucas Murphy publicly states that Five Ultimate is far from evil

On Oct 16, 5:28 pm, bbuck <WMDUltim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lucas is Five Ultimate evil??
>
> Bbuck
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3317 is a reply to message #3315] Thu, 16 October 2008 19:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MD
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5 Ultimate shorts > Patagonia shorts

Patagonia jerseys > 5 Ultimate jerseys

Patagonia quality/customer service/shipping >> 5 Ultimate quality/
customer service/shipping
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3320 is a reply to message #3278] Thu, 16 October 2008 19:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jason Katz
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On Oct 16, 7:36 pm, Michael McNeil <rmichael.mcn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 2:32 pm, McB <Christopher.M.McBr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 16, 2:23 pm, Steve <corfree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > If you support the UPA you should boycott Five Ultimate.  They are
> > > sponsoring a rival known as Conference 1


Wait you want to boycott an Ultimate company that supports Ultimate
ventures of any kind in favor of a hiking apparel company that
includes no mention of our sport in any way on their main website? Why
not boycott Patagonia for selling non-Discraft discs?

The point is that Five supports ultimate in all forms. Don't boycott.
It's stupid and their shorts are oh so stretchy and nice.
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3321 is a reply to message #3310] Thu, 16 October 2008 20:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
T1000
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On Oct 16, 6:31 pm, Daag Alemayehu <daag.alemay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 9:23 pm, T1000 <atanarj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wait . . . so because you don't like Conference 1, we should hurt
> > their clothing provider?  How is that productive?
>
> > Let's suppose you're successful, and you send some strong message,
> > like, "Traitors will not be tolerated," or something vaguely similar,
> > and Five Ultimate decides they can't afford to lose business with UPA
> > members.  Well, Cultimate wouldn't care; they'd approach VC, and
> > Gaia.  If you boycotted them, they'd approach Patagonia, etc.
>
> > Boycotting Five isn't exactly hitting Cultimate where it hurts; it's
> > hitting Five where it hurts.
>
> This is the most flawed logic I've read on rsd in a long time (and
> that's saying something).  Think about what you just said.  You just
> said taking away one of Cultimate's sponsors won't hurt them.  You
> really think Cultimate "wouldn't care" if one of their main partners
> gave up on them?  Wow.
>
> Cultimate would approach VC, Patagonia, Gaia, etc., but who's to say
> that any of them would agree to provide subsidized jerseys to C1 teams
> as Five Ultimate has?  And supposing Cultimate finds a taker, who's to
> say they'll strike up a new agreement as profitable as the one they
> have with Five right now?  Of course Five would be hurt by a boycott -
> that's what boycotts are for! - but why on earth would you think
> they'd be the only ones affected?  Just think about what you're
> saying.


Well, yes, that's precisely what I mean. We obviously have very
different ideas of how much Five is bringing to the table.

Five Ultimate has agreed to outfit two dozen teams with cheap uniforms
(if you know some additional salient details, please enlighten me) in
exchange for exclusivity, I believe. That's a moneymaking opportunity
for the clothing provider, and it allows Cultimate to sweeten the
offer a little to participating teams.

It really doesn't hurt Cultimate if Five declines. In the worst case
scenario, Cultimate can't find a replacement, and can't offer cheap
uniforms. Hardly a deal-breaker. The teams still needed uniforms
anyway, and now they'll buy them from the usual gamut of choices,
including Five. Chances are, though, that for exclusive outfitting
rights to 25 whole teams, I imagine several clothing providers would
like to take their place. Maybe their offers won't be as good, but
it's not money out of Cultimate's pocket-- it's more likely to cost
the players.

Now, maybe you could scare away all the dedicated "ultimate" clothing
brands (Five, Gaia, VC, etc), which would be too bad, because I would
rather see the money stay in the ultimate community.

But let's be realistic-- is this really like attacking the sponsor of
a television programme? Is Five really infusing hard cash into
Conference 1? I can't imagine how they could afford to, but if I'm
mistaken, so be it.
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3325 is a reply to message #3190] Thu, 16 October 2008 20:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colinmcintyre
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On Oct 16, 2:23 pm, Steve <corfree...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you support the UPA you should boycott Five Ultimate. They are
> sponsoring a rival known as Conference 1.
>
> http://cultimate.com/conference1/

If you think [insert team name here] is a bunch of cheating a-holes,
then you should boycott [insert manufacturer of team's uniforms].
They are selling uniforms to those cheating bastards at a bulk
discount.
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3327 is a reply to message #3321] Thu, 16 October 2008 20:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Daag Alemayehu
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On Oct 16, 11:00 pm, T1000 <atanarj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It really doesn't hurt Cultimate if Five declines. In the worst case
> scenario, Cultimate can't find a replacement, and can't offer cheap
> uniforms. Hardly a deal-breaker.

> like to take their place. Maybe their offers won't be as good, but
> it's not money out of Cultimate's pocket-- it's more likely to cost
> the players.

Once again, I ask you to just think about what you're saying. Maybe I
can outline it for you:

1) Cultimate gets Five Ultimate on board so that it can PROMISE the
Top 25 subsidized jerseys.
2) Five Ultimate feels the strain of a boycott, so it backs out of its
agreement with Cultimate.
3) Cultimate is left scrambling to find another outfitter so that it
can uphold its PROMISE of subsidized jerseys to the Top 25.
4) Cultimate can't find anyone else to be its official outfitter (or
it can't find a deal worth working out).
5) Cultimate has to reneg on its PROMISE of subsidized jerseys.
6) Players have to pay more money than they were told they would have
to.
7) Players get pissed off. Some teams threaten to leave. Some teams
might actually leave, fearing that Cultimate is soon to be a sinking
ship if it can't even keep one of its primary (its only?) partners on
board.
8) Cultimate is in deep shit.

What's more, I would bet the farm that part of this subsidized jersey
deal includes mandatory Cultimate branding on every single C1 jersey
sold. No clothing company partner = probably no Cultimate branding.

Cultimate didn't just shoot a simple email to the captains of the Top
25 and ask them if they would come out and play frisbee with them.
Cultimate sent detailed offer sheets that contained a variety of
benefits and perks. If some of those perks suddenly disappear,
Cultimate's offers are inherently less enticing, which is worse for
Cultimate.
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3337 is a reply to message #3327] Thu, 16 October 2008 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
T1000
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On Oct 16, 8:48 pm, Daag Alemayehu <daag.alemay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 11:00 pm, T1000 <atanarj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It really doesn't hurt Cultimate if Five declines.  In the worst case
> > scenario, Cultimate can't find a replacement, and can't offer cheap
> > uniforms.  Hardly a deal-breaker.
> > like to take their place.  Maybe their offers won't be as good, but
> > it's not money out of Cultimate's pocket-- it's more likely to cost
> > the players.
>
> Once again, I ask you to just think about what you're saying.  Maybe I
> can outline it for you:
>
> 1) Cultimate gets Five Ultimate on board so that it can PROMISE the
> Top 25 subsidized jerseys.
> 2) Five Ultimate feels the strain of a boycott, so it backs out of its
> agreement with Cultimate.
> 3) Cultimate is left scrambling to find another outfitter so that it
> can uphold its PROMISE of subsidized jerseys to the Top 25.
> 4) Cultimate can't find anyone else to be its official outfitter (or
> it can't find a deal worth working out).
> 5) Cultimate has to reneg on its PROMISE of subsidized jerseys.
> 6) Players have to pay more money than they were told they would have
> to.
> 7) Players get pissed off.  Some teams threaten to leave.  Some teams
> might actually leave, fearing that Cultimate is soon to be a sinking
> ship if it can't even keep one of its primary (its only?) partners on
> board.
> 8) Cultimate is in deep shit.
>
> What's more, I would bet the farm that part of this subsidized jersey
> deal includes mandatory Cultimate branding on every single C1 jersey
> sold.  No clothing company partner = probably no Cultimate branding.
>
> Cultimate didn't just shoot a simple email to the captains of the Top
> 25 and ask them if they would come out and play frisbee with them.
> Cultimate sent detailed offer sheets that contained a variety of
> benefits and perks.  If some of those perks suddenly disappear,
> Cultimate's offers are inherently less enticing, which is worse for
> Cultimate.

Yes, Daag, I follow you. I understand how this works, but I still
think Five is getting more out of the deal than Cultimate.

Again, in the worst-case scenario, Cultimate can't offer subsidized
uniforms. You think that will be a deal-breaker, well, all right. I
doubt it.

Because I still think that in the very least, Cultimate would get a
substantial bulk-rate discount deal with one of many possible
suppliers somewhere, and then have their brand silk-screened onto one
thousand jerseys and five hundred shorts for cheap. And I just can't
imagine our successfully boycotting whoever sells cheap shirts to
Cultimate. Hell, it could be Patagonia, Adidas, or Umbro, who
wouldn't even pay attention if UPA teams stopped placing orders.

Hey, I know what you're saying, Daag, but I don't buy its
effectiveness.

That's all from me.
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3340 is a reply to message #3337] Thu, 16 October 2008 21:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
claytonanderson0
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Ask FIVE for their business tax code.....




On Oct 16, 11:44 pm, T1000 <atanarj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 8:48 pm, Daag Alemayehu <daag.alemay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 16, 11:00 pm, T1000 <atanarj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > It really doesn't hurt Cultimate if Five declines.  In the worst case
> > > scenario, Cultimate can't find a replacement, and can't offer cheap
> > > uniforms.  Hardly a deal-breaker.
> > > like to take their place.  Maybe their offers won't be as good, but
> > > it's not money out of Cultimate's pocket-- it's more likely to cost
> > > the players.
>
> > Once again, I ask you to just think about what you're saying.  Maybe I
> > can outline it for you:
>
> > 1) Cultimate gets Five Ultimate on board so that it can PROMISE the
> > Top 25 subsidized jerseys.
> > 2) Five Ultimate feels the strain of a boycott, so it backs out of its
> > agreement with Cultimate.
> > 3) Cultimate is left scrambling to find another outfitter so that it
> > can uphold its PROMISE of subsidized jerseys to the Top 25.
> > 4) Cultimate can't find anyone else to be its official outfitter (or
> > it can't find a deal worth working out).
> > 5) Cultimate has to reneg on its PROMISE of subsidized jerseys.
> > 6) Players have to pay more money than they were told they would have
> > to.
> > 7) Players get pissed off.  Some teams threaten to leave.  Some teams
> > might actually leave, fearing that Cultimate is soon to be a sinking
> > ship if it can't even keep one of its primary (its only?) partners on
> > board.
> > 8) Cultimate is in deep shit.
>
> > What's more, I would bet the farm that part of this subsidized jersey
> > deal includes mandatory Cultimate branding on every single C1 jersey
> > sold.  No clothing company partner = probably no Cultimate branding..
>
> > Cultimate didn't just shoot a simple email to the captains of the Top
> > 25 and ask them if they would come out and play frisbee with them.
> > Cultimate sent detailed offer sheets that contained a variety of
> > benefits and perks.  If some of those perks suddenly disappear,
> > Cultimate's offers are inherently less enticing, which is worse for
> > Cultimate.
>
> Yes, Daag, I follow you.  I understand how this works, but I still
> think Five is getting more out of the deal than Cultimate.
>
> Again, in the worst-case scenario, Cultimate can't offer subsidized
> uniforms.  You think that will be a deal-breaker, well, all right.  I
> doubt it.
>
> Because I still think that in the very least, Cultimate would get a
> substantial bulk-rate discount deal with one of many possible
> suppliers somewhere, and then have their brand silk-screened onto one
> thousand jerseys and five hundred shorts for cheap.  And I just can't
> imagine our successfully boycotting whoever sells cheap shirts to
> Cultimate.  Hell, it could be Patagonia, Adidas, or Umbro, who
> wouldn't even pay attention if UPA teams stopped placing orders.
>
> Hey, I know what you're saying, Daag, but I don't buy its
> effectiveness.
>
> That's all from me.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3352 is a reply to message #3340] Fri, 17 October 2008 00:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
La Maldad
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On Oct 16, 11:55 pm, claytonanders...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ask FIVE for their business tax code.....
>

OH SHIT! Someone said it!

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Hh
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3357 is a reply to message #3352] Fri, 17 October 2008 02:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Abbie
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Scroll down for the interview with 5 Ultimate. Done on Feb. 12, 2008.

Of the Five, I've only ever met Rohre - and from the content of the
ultiverse interview, I just really, really wish that the ideas she
expresses in this interview were steering the company ship in the
spirit of cooperation and working together to create solutions. Are
the sentiments about women's ultimate, increasing participation,
support of the UPA, and Spirit of the Game real or just a marketing
strategy? Have many ultimate players voted with their dollars that
what they (we?) want is fun games at frisbee central and "unique, loud
merch"?

7:30: Starts talking about the future plans for Five Ultimate...

9:45: Rohre talks about the importance of "sustainability" for the
future of the company, re: bamboo textiles. Especially interesting,
since an environmentally-friendly ethic has been part of the community
for a long time (Patagonia partnerships). Where are those
"sustainable" products, or plans to make them? I was hoping to find
them on the Five website...

10:40: The importance of growing Women's Ultimate, and what 5 Ultimate
can do to help women's ultimate grow "to a higher level and greater
participation".

16:00: Talking about the "unique and loud merch" that they designed
with Skip for Cultimate.

20:40: Q: What would you change if you could change one thing?
"It would be really great to see everyone out there who has energy...
to get more involved in promoting it... either through the help of the
UPA or other local organizations to get more people playing." If you
just go throw with someone in the park, "...they might be the next
Callahan" ...."active support from more organizations including the
UPA."

22:37: Rohre talks about the message of Ultimate, Spirit of the Game
and the mutual respect between players being a good way to approach
competition, and a good influence on kids' development.

23:25: "This sport is going to improve if we understand where others
are coming from and cooperate". Qxhna: "The spirit of play makes it so
different than any other sport... you really notice that being a
spirited player is very important".

24:51: Q: What is your message to the whole ultimate world:

Zahlen: Play hard and have fun.

Xtehn: I should have studied more... This is a little spur of the
moment. Let's go with... if the whole world is listening... if you
like ultimate, put your energy into it ... teach other people..."

Vehro: "Go to UPA.org and read 10 simple things about Spirit of the
Game. It's a great simple cheat sheet of ways to really improve your
attitude and character on the field and off the field, so hit up that
document prepared by Eric Z. and others, because it's a great little
cheat sheet ... "

Rohre: ..every ultimate player should keep SOTG alive. That is what
makes it so special.




On Oct 17, 3:47 am, La Maldad <hhvaldi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 11:55 pm, claytonanders...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Ask FIVE for their business tax code.....
>
> OH SHIT! Someone said it!
>
> Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
>
> Hh
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3365 is a reply to message #3357] Fri, 17 October 2008 05:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
AMW
Messages: 28
Registered: October 2008
Location: Chicago
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On Oct 17, 4:40 am, Abbie <abigailemer...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Of the Five, I've only ever met Rohre - and from the content of the
> ultiverse interview, I just really, really wish that the ideas she
> expresses in this interview were steering the company ship in the
> spirit of cooperation and working together to create solutions. Are
> the sentiments about women's ultimate, increasing participation,
> support of the UPA, and Spirit of the Game real or just a marketing
> strategy?
> ...
> 10:40: The importance of growing Women's Ultimate, and what 5 Ultimate
> can do to help women's ultimate grow "to a higher level and greater
> participation".
>

5 Ultimate provided a bunch of free gear for the Chicago Women's Hat
Tournament this summer, for spirit/MVP/etc prizes, and expressed an
interest in further sponsorship support for our event in the future.
I had a great convo with Xtehn about their desire to support
grassroots efforts like ours and promote the spirit of ultimate (in
whatever way it speaks to individual players). These may be small
things, but they are walking the walk.
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3372 is a reply to message #3278] Fri, 17 October 2008 06:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
caseyboy24
Messages: 23
Registered: September 2008
Junior Member
On Oct 16, 6:36 pm, Michael McNeil <rmichael.mcn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 2:32 pm, McB <Christopher.M.McBr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 16, 2:23 pm, Steve <corfree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > If you support the UPA you should boycott Five Ultimate.  They are
> > > sponsoring a rival known as Conference 1.
>
> > >http://cultimate.com/conference1/
>
> > Allegedly. The "information" on that site has already proved fairly
> > suspect. Let's not take drastic measures prior to confirmation of all
> > the info.
>
> Well, Five Ultimate has confirmed a partnership with Cultimate now:
>
> http://bamasecs.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/five-ultimate-respo nds/

let's boycott the bama section instead.

you guys go play C1 and we'll keep the rest of ultimate intact
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3410 is a reply to message #3372] Fri, 17 October 2008 08:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jnewsom23
Messages: 11
Registered: October 2008
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never had a problem w/ 5-ultimate.

J
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3411 is a reply to message #3365] Fri, 17 October 2008 08:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Abbie
Messages: 7
Registered: October 2008
Junior Member
On Oct 17, 8:46 am, AMW <birdbra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 5 Ultimate provided a bunch of free gear for the Chicago Women's Hat
> Tournament this summer, for spirit/MVP/etc prizes, and expressed an
> interest in further sponsorship support for our event in the future.
> I had a great convo with Xtehn about their desire to support
> grassroots efforts like ours and promote the spirit of ultimate (in
> whatever way it speaks to individual players). These may be small
> things, but they are walking the walk.

Small things add up - that is good to know. Other anecdotes?
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3415 is a reply to message #3411] Fri, 17 October 2008 09:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
benwater08
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Registered: September 2008
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spin > patagonia > vc > gaia > 5 ultimate
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3421 is a reply to message #3340] Fri, 17 October 2008 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BMaster
Messages: 33
Registered: September 2008
Member
On Oct 16, 11:55 pm, claytonanders...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ask FIVE for their business tax code.....

This is absolutely ludicrous to me. If they have to dodge taxes to
stay afloat, is this really a company you would want to do business
with? How long until this blows up in thier face. Do you want to
have a pending order when it does? That would be sweet...
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3426 is a reply to message #3315] Fri, 17 October 2008 09:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kirby
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On Oct 16, 10:01 pm, Squirrel <cots...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Lucas Murphy publicly states that Five Ultimate is far from evil
>

Then it's settled. End of discussion.
Re: Boycott Five Ultimate [message #3443 is a reply to message #3411] Fri, 17 October 2008 10:11 Go to previous message
chrisdatkinson2
Messages: 83
Registered: September 2008
Member
If this has ABP, sorry. with so many threads it is hard to keep track
of what's been said.

If you want to boycott, why not go after the source of the problem? If
every second tier team chooses to boycott Cultimate events, how can
Cultimate flourish and pay the travel expenses for the top twenty five
teams? What's to stop teams from hosting tournaments and excluding any
college team that signs up for the Cultimate experience?

I have no experience with 5 ultimate. I am aware that the owners are
Ultimate players. I doubt they are getting rich off providing
apparel, they seem like a smaller company that will be unable to
expand beyond their niche. If you boycott small companies guess what
remains? And, only the larger merchandisers will be able to weather
boycotts. Boycotts that won't be remembered in 5 years anyways. All
that happens is that you remove smaller companies from the equation.

I'm not implying the small=good vs big=bad argument. I do think there
are implications for smaller, player-owned companies as ultimate grows
in visibility. i hope VC, Ultivillage, and the rest are examining how
to remain competitive right now due to Cultimate's potential to bring
in outside influence.

This is an interesting time for Ultimate regarding sponsorship. If
anyone affliated with the Jose Cuervo sponsorship feels like
discussing its goals or anything else, I'm interested in hearing about
it.

Also, good luck Cultimate! Way to have some guts and some ambition.
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