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| IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30284] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 05:59  |
ulticritic
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about diversifying the sport in an insincere way to make it seem like
ultimate is more multicultural (than it really is)?????
Isnt that kinda what DTB is doing????
especially as it seems that team is comprised of people of just asian
and indian decent? I mean, you know, is "brown" really the color that
we assosiate with asians OR indians (i alway thought asians were
"yellow" and indians were "red"). Maybe they should change there name
to DOWN TOWN ORANGE........because when ya mix yellow and red ya get
orange. Of course then people might thik its some team of observers
promoting observer equality.
Another part of DTB tha i personally find rather insincere is that
they dont seem to be all that concerned with the "class" issue of
ultimate being exclusionary. which, no doubt is tied to the race
issue. but how are lower class black kids gonna be able to relate to
well off asians any more than they would well of whites? seems like a
classic "feel good" case where "people are trying to
Who are they trying to kid/convince? As most whites that play this
sport have already convinced themselves that they dont have a racist
bone in their body? This whole DTB movement is very confusing to me.
Seems like a classic "feel good" attempt where "people are trying to
make it seem like ultimate is more multicultural".
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30286 is a reply to message #30284] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 06:25  |
Lex
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On Jul 2, 8:59 am, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
> about diversifying the sport in an insincere way to make it seem like
> ultimate is more multicultural (than it really is)?????
>
> Isnt that kinda what DTB is doing????
>
> especially as it seems that team is comprised of people of just asian
> and indian decent? I mean, you know, is "brown" really the color that
> we assosiate with asians OR indians (i alway thought asians were
> "yellow" and indians were "red"). Maybe they should change there name
> to DOWN TOWN ORANGE........because when ya mix yellow and red ya get
> orange. Of course then people might thik its some team of observers
> promoting observer equality.
>
> Another part of DTB tha i personally find rather insincere is that
> they dont seem to be all that concerned with the "class" issue of
> ultimate being exclusionary. which, no doubt is tied to the race
> issue. but how are lower class black kids gonna be able to relate to
> well off asians any more than they would well of whites? seems like a
> classic "feel good" case where "people are trying to
>
> Who are they trying to kid/convince? As most whites that play this
> sport have already convinced themselves that they dont have a racist
> bone in their body? This whole DTB movement is very confusing to me.
> Seems like a classic "feel good" attempt where "people are trying to
> make it seem like ultimate is more multicultural".
You might be amusing if you weren't so pathologically desperate for
attention.
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30287 is a reply to message #30284] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 06:26 |
jim
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On Jul 2, 8:59 am, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
> about diversifying the sport in an insincere way to make it seem like
> ultimate is more multicultural (than it really is)?????
>
> Isnt that kinda what DTB is doing????
>
> especially as it seems that team is comprised of people of just asian
> and indian decent? I mean, you know, is "brown" really the color that
> we assosiate with asians OR indians (i alway thought asians were
> "yellow" and indians were "red"). Maybe they should change there name
> to DOWN TOWN ORANGE........because when ya mix yellow and red ya get
> orange. Of course then people might thik its some team of observers
> promoting observer equality.
>
> Another part of DTB tha i personally find rather insincere is that
> they dont seem to be all that concerned with the "class" issue of
> ultimate being exclusionary. which, no doubt is tied to the race
> issue. but how are lower class black kids gonna be able to relate to
> well off asians any more than they would well of whites? seems like a
> classic "feel good" case where "people are trying to
>
> Who are they trying to kid/convince? As most whites that play this
> sport have already convinced themselves that they dont have a racist
> bone in their body? This whole DTB movement is very confusing to me.
> Seems like a classic "feel good" attempt where "people are trying to
> make it seem like ultimate is more multicultural".
sounds to me like a group of asian friends put a team together
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30289 is a reply to message #30287] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 06:34 |
ulticritic
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On Jul 2, 9:26 am, jim <rover...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 8:59 am, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
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> > about diversifying the sport in an insincere way to make it seem like
> > ultimate is more multicultural (than it really is)?????
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> > Isnt that kinda what DTB is doing????
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> > especially as it seems that team is comprised of people of just asian
> > and indian decent? I mean, you know, is "brown" really the color that
> > we assosiate with asians OR indians (i alway thought asians were
> > "yellow" and indians were "red"). Maybe they should change there name
> > to DOWN TOWN ORANGE........because when ya mix yellow and red ya get
> > orange. Of course then people might thik its some team of observers
> > promoting observer equality.
>
> > Another part of DTB tha i personally find rather insincere is that
> > they dont seem to be all that concerned with the "class" issue of
> > ultimate being exclusionary. which, no doubt is tied to the race
> > issue. but how are lower class black kids gonna be able to relate to
> > well off asians any more than they would well of whites? seems like a
> > classic "feel good" case where "people are trying to
>
> > Who are they trying to kid/convince? As most whites that play this
> > sport have already convinced themselves that they dont have a racist
> > bone in their body? This whole DTB movement is very confusing to me.
> > Seems like a classic "feel good" attempt where "people are trying to
> > make it seem like ultimate is more multicultural".
>
> sounds to me like a group of asian friends put a team together- Hide quoted text -
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well you better go read what those "asian friends" wrote about their
"mission" in the most recent huddle blogpost then. cause it AINT just
that. Actually it IS just that......although they, and others seem to
be trying to make it out to be MUCH MORE than just that.
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30290 is a reply to message #30289] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 06:36 |
jim
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On Jul 2, 9:34 am, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 9:26 am, jim <rover...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 2, 8:59 am, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
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> > > about diversifying the sport in an insincere way to make it seem like
> > > ultimate is more multicultural (than it really is)?????
>
> > > Isnt that kinda what DTB is doing????
>
> > > especially as it seems that team is comprised of people of just asian
> > > and indian decent? I mean, you know, is "brown" really the color that
> > > we assosiate with asians OR indians (i alway thought asians were
> > > "yellow" and indians were "red"). Maybe they should change there name
> > > to DOWN TOWN ORANGE........because when ya mix yellow and red ya get
> > > orange. Of course then people might thik its some team of observers
> > > promoting observer equality.
>
> > > Another part of DTB tha i personally find rather insincere is that
> > > they dont seem to be all that concerned with the "class" issue of
> > > ultimate being exclusionary. which, no doubt is tied to the race
> > > issue. but how are lower class black kids gonna be able to relate to
> > > well off asians any more than they would well of whites? seems like a
> > > classic "feel good" case where "people are trying to
>
> > > Who are they trying to kid/convince? As most whites that play this
> > > sport have already convinced themselves that they dont have a racist
> > > bone in their body? This whole DTB movement is very confusing to me.
> > > Seems like a classic "feel good" attempt where "people are trying to
> > > make it seem like ultimate is more multicultural".
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> > sounds to me like a group of asian friends put a team together- Hide quoted text -
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> well you better go read what those "asian friends" wrote about their
> "mission" in the most recent huddle blogpost then. cause it AINT just
> that. Actually it IS just that......although they, and others seem to
> be trying to make it out to be MUCH MORE than just that.- Hide quoted text -
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so is the solution to have a "race minimum" on each team....2 whites,
2 blacks, 2 asians, 2 latinos..etc.etc.
really, who gives a shit about DTB's mission?
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30291 is a reply to message #30284] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 06:38 |
Jeff
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Toad, you really need to catch up on how the world is evolving ....
most of what you say would fit in just fine in an RSD of the last
century ...
On Jul 2, 8:59�am, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
> about diversifying the sport in an insincere way to make it seem like
> ultimate is more multicultural (than it really is)?????
>
> Isnt that kinda what DTB is doing????
>
> especially as it seems that team is comprised of people of just asian
> and indian decent? �I mean, you know, is "brown" really the color that
> we assosiate with asians OR indians (i alway thought asians were
> "yellow" and indians were "red"). �Maybe they should change there name
> to DOWN TOWN ORANGE........because when ya mix yellow and red ya get
> orange. �Of course then people might thik its some team of observers
> promoting observer equality.
>
> Another part of DTB tha i personally find rather insincere is that
> they dont seem to be all that concerned with the "class" issue of
> ultimate being exclusionary. �which, no doubt is tied to the race
> issue. �but how are lower class black kids gonna be able to relate to
> well off asians any more than they would well of whites? �seems like a
> classic "feel good" case where "people are trying to
>
> Who are they trying to kid/convince? �As most whites that play this
> sport have already convinced themselves that they dont have a racist
> bone in their body? �This whole DTB movement is very confusing to me.
> Seems like a classic "feel good" attempt where "people are trying to
> make it seem like ultimate is more multicultural".
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30292 is a reply to message #30286] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 06:39 |
ulticritic
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On Jul 2, 9:25 am, Lex <alexia...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> You might be amusing if you weren't so pathologically desperate for
> attention-
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well just try to put that part about my pathological desperation out
of your mind. If theres one thing you should do in life its NEVER let
someones pathilogical desperation interfere with your amusement. I
know i dont.
of course my take is that you are just trying to be cute and discredit
me so that you dont have to face this very real issue.......AND the
truth. which i know "hurts"(as in "the truth hurts") so i can fully
understand why you dont want to confront it.
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30294 is a reply to message #30290] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 06:44 |
ulticritic
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On Jul 2, 9:36 am, jim <rover...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> so is the solution to have a "race minimum" on each team....2 whites,
> 2 blacks, 2 asians, 2 latinos..etc.etc.
no, the solution is to modernize the sport so that it will be more
accepted by mainstream america, which would then allow it to be
integrated into the middle and hs official athletic associations so
that people can play it locally at a competitive level with out having
to spend an arm and a leg traveling all over the country seeking out
the best comp.
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> really, who gives a shit about DTB's mission?
i'd say, blw and the huddle does......and all their loyalists.
personally i dont.....but thats why i'm calling bullshit on them. AS
one downtownbrowner implied......"its rather insincere"
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30296 is a reply to message #30291] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 06:47 |
ulticritic
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On Jul 2, 9:38 am, Jeff <jffr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Toad, you really need to catch up on how the world is evolving ....
and you really need to catch up on how sports HAVE evolved.
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> most of what you say would fit in just fine in an RSD of the last
> century ...
which, ironically, is exactly how this sport would fit in (rule
enforcement and game management wise anyways). do your self a favor
and research how soccer was arbitrated in the 1800's
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30299 is a reply to message #30292] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 06:51 |
Lex
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On Jul 2, 9:39 am, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 9:25 am, Lex <alexia...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > You might be amusing if you weren't so pathologically desperate for
> > attention-
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> well just try to put that part about my pathological desperation out
> of your mind. If theres one thing you should do in life its NEVER let
> someones pathilogical desperation interfere with your amusement. I
> know i dont.
>
> of course my take is that you are just trying to be cute and discredit
> me so that you dont have to face this very real issue.......AND the
> truth. which i know "hurts"(as in "the truth hurts") so i can fully
> understand why you dont want to confront it.
I'm not trying to be cute. If I was trying to be cute, I would have
asked whether you have a job since by the look of things you're here
pretty much 24-7. I don't need to discredit you. You seem fully
capable of doing that yourself.
I also can't avoid having to confront issues of race and racial
diversity in ultimate, whether it's league or club, since I'm a very,
very "brown" person who plays the sport. Reading your posts on DTB I
wonder whether you're bored and looking to stir up crap, threatened by
a topic that might temporarily divert attention away from your
precious observer discussions or just a jerk feigning ignorance. If I
didn't like to think well of people in general, I would probably just
chalk it all up to you being a bigot who was trying to discredit DTB
and downplay the validity of the stated goals of people playing on the
team. Say what you want, but a good deal of what the people in the
Huddle article wrote rang true to me on a personal level.
I'm also a woman playing ultimate if you care to start throwing around
crap about gender issues in the sport.
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| Re: WHY WON'T ANYONE PAY ATTENTION TO ME?!!! [message #30300 is a reply to message #30295] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 06:56 |
ulticritic
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On Jul 2, 9:45 am, toady toaderson <toadberg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> blah blah me me me.
hey, i'm just trying to keep the huddles latest issue alive and out in
the open. I sure dont see them initiating the topic in the first
place.
and trying to say this is all in an attemt to bring attention to my
self is a little desperate in itself. I mean, i'm out here every day
talking shit. so how is this any different from any of the other
dialouge that i initiate? Is it just that its too sensitive of a
topic for most of ya.
heres the thing. ive come to terms with my inate racism and admit
that "i have a considerable guilt complex for all the pain and
suffereing that my ansestors have brought on the ansesters of the
crows"........now i'm gonna just "bug out"........cause, "i drive like
a crow jack". anybody want to try and reference those liberally
interpreted quotes.......besides tb.
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30303 is a reply to message #30299] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 07:29 |
ulticritic
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On Jul 2, 9:51 am, Lex <alexia...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I'm not trying to be cute. If I was trying to be cute, I would have
> asked whether you have a job since by the look of things you're here
> pretty much 24-7.
you must be new round here. as ive explained many times, i'm a self
made millionare and my money works for me so that i dont have to. now
i do need to occasionally supervise them/it but it really frees me up
to persue my one great mission/challenge......which is fixing
ultimate. so how could you be cute in revealing somthing that should
be common knowledge round here?
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I don't need to discredit you. You seem fully
> capable of doing that yourself.
then what was the purpose of your post? little desperate for
attention yourself?
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> I also can't avoid having to confront issues of race and racial
> diversity in ultimate, whether it's league or club, since I'm a very,
> very "brown" person who plays the sport.
well brown aint always black......and in our society its often that
being brown (i'm assuming your indian) is closer to being white than
being black. Of course this is where "class" comes in. So to me ist
not a matter of color.....its a matter on "having" and "not
having".......and if you play ultimate then my bet is that you are a
"have". am i wrong?
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Reading your posts on DTB I
> wonder whether you're bored and looking to stir up crap,
havent i made myself quite clear in that reguard?
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threatened by
> a topic that might temporarily divert attention away from your
> precious observer discussions
how can that be when i'm the one intiating it??????
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If I
> didn't like to think well of people in general, I would probably just
> chalk it all up to you being a bigot who was trying to discredit DTB
> and downplay the validity of the stated goals of people playing on the
> team.
but hen you would read some of dtbs' articals on the huddle, figure
out that the original quote included in this title thread was actually
a contention on the part of one down town browner, and then you would
have to rethink that whole theory.
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Say what you want, but a good deal of what the people in the
> Huddle article wrote rang true to me on a personal level.
well ya might want to go back and reread what they wrote......because
it was one of em that said......
'IT IS STRANGE TO THINK ABOUT DIVERSIFYING THE SPORT IN AN INSINCERE
WAY TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE ULTIMATE IS MORE MULTICULTURAL". i didnt say
that.......one of thel self proclaimed "brown towners" did.
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> I'm also a woman playing ultimate if you care to start throwing around
> crap about gender issues in the sport
ehh, ive already done that. and while i am TOTALLY against coed ulti,
i do think its pretty hard core for women to throw themselves in harms
way and play with the men. Of course youde be rather naive to think
that the men arent holding back a little.......which is why i think
its kinda weak to play in that format if you are a man when the option
to play amongst men is readilly availiable. To me its a saftey
issue. As for getting much entertainment value out of watching women
play sports.......nah, not my cup o tea. and i got no problem
admitting, not only that, BUT the fact that i appreciate the value of
women as eye candy (in the form of dancing girls) at ANY sporting
event........just like the vast majority of male ultimate players
do........although they probably arent as likely to admit it as i am.
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30307 is a reply to message #30303] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 07:38 |
Lex
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On Jul 2, 10:29 am, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 9:51 am, Lex <alexia...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I'm not trying to be cute. If I was trying to be cute, I would have
> > asked whether you have a job since by the look of things you're here
> > pretty much 24-7.
>
> you must be new round here. as ive explained many times, i'm a self
> made millionare and my money works for me so that i dont have to. now
> i do need to occasionally supervise them/it but it really frees me up
> to persue my one great mission/challenge......which is fixing
> ultimate. so how could you be cute in revealing somthing that should
> be common knowledge round here?
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>
> I don't need to discredit you. You seem fully
>
> > capable of doing that yourself.
>
> then what was the purpose of your post? little desperate for
> attention yourself?
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> > I also can't avoid having to confront issues of race and racial
> > diversity in ultimate, whether it's league or club, since I'm a very,
> > very "brown" person who plays the sport.
>
> well brown aint always black......and in our society its often that
> being brown (i'm assuming your indian) is closer to being white than
> being black. Of course this is where "class" comes in. So to me ist
> not a matter of color.....its a matter on "having" and "not
> having".......and if you play ultimate then my bet is that you are a
> "have". am i wrong?
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> Reading your posts on DTB I
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> > wonder whether you're bored and looking to stir up crap,
>
> havent i made myself quite clear in that reguard?
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> threatened by
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> > a topic that might temporarily divert attention away from your
> > precious observer discussions
>
> how can that be when i'm the one intiating it??????
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> If I
>
> > didn't like to think well of people in general, I would probably just
> > chalk it all up to you being a bigot who was trying to discredit DTB
> > and downplay the validity of the stated goals of people playing on the
> > team.
>
> but hen you would read some of dtbs' articals on the huddle, figure
> out that the original quote included in this title thread was actually
> a contention on the part of one down town browner, and then you would
> have to rethink that whole theory.
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>
> Say what you want, but a good deal of what the people in the
>
> > Huddle article wrote rang true to me on a personal level.
>
> well ya might want to go back and reread what they wrote......because
> it was one of em that said......
> 'IT IS STRANGE TO THINK ABOUT DIVERSIFYING THE SPORT IN AN INSINCERE
> WAY TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE ULTIMATE IS MORE MULTICULTURAL". i didnt say
> that.......one of thel self proclaimed "brown towners" did.
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>
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> > I'm also a woman playing ultimate if you care to start throwing around
> > crap about gender issues in the sport
>
> ehh, ive already done that. and while i am TOTALLY against coed ulti,
> i do think its pretty hard core for women to throw themselves in harms
> way and play with the men. Of course youde be rather naive to think
> that the men arent holding back a little.......which is why i think
> its kinda weak to play in that format if you are a man when the option
> to play amongst men is readilly availiable. To me its a saftey
> issue. As for getting much entertainment value out of watching women
> play sports.......nah, not my cup o tea. and i got no problem
> admitting, not only that, BUT the fact that i appreciate the value of
> women as eye candy (in the form of dancing girls) at ANY sporting
> event........just like the vast majority of male ultimate players
> do........although they probably arent as likely to admit it as i am.
Your assumption is wrong. I am Black. I knew where you pulled the
quote from before I even commented. It's easy to make anything seem
shady when you pull it out of its context.
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30310 is a reply to message #30307] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 08:01 |
ulticritic
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On Jul 2, 10:38 am, Lex <alexia...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Your assumption is wrong. I am Black.
ok....i was wrong about that. i'm man enough to admit that. am i
wrong about your financial "class". or do you consider yourself/your
family to be "have nots"? and since you ARE black, dont you think You
would have an easier time reaching out to lower income, inner city
blacks, to get the sport more common place in those environments????
do you???
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I knew where you pulled the
> quote from before I even commented.
the "i drive like a crow" quote or the "Its strange to think" quote.
And are you a member of dtb? if so, dont you find it a little
offensive to not only use that name but also that asian people are
claiming to be "brown"?
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It's easy to make anything seem
> shady when you pull it out of its context.
i think its easier to make things look all rosey when underneathe the
surface its all muddied and ugly. and since we seem to be
interpreting that quote so differently why not get the author to chime
in and set the record straight.
ALSO, isnt dtb all about bringing this issue into the open........and
isnt that what i'm trying to do here........where as you seem to not
want it to be discussed in the first place. Or are you just saying
that they are beyond criisism since they are approaching the issue in
a much more soft and pc way? i dont get you people?
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30313 is a reply to message #30310] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 08:18 |
ulticritic
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On Jul 2, 11:01 am, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
> i dont get you people?
fyi,
by "you people" i dont mean black people. I love the blacks. they
got coolness far beyond whities dreams.
i mean uptight, pc ultimate players........which means if you are not
uptight or pc (but still play ultimate) i aint talkin boutcha
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Thu, 02 July 2009 10:05 |
Enver
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A wise man once told me don't argue with fools,
cuz people, from a distance, can't tell who is who...
On Jul 2, 11:01 am, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
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> > i dont get you people?
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> fyi,
>
> by "you people" i dont mean black people. I love the blacks. they
> got coolness far beyond whities dreams.
>
> i mean uptight, pc ultimate players........which means if you are not
> uptight or pc (but still play ultimate) i aint talkin boutcha
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30334 is a reply to message #30284] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 10:47 |
ultimatephotography
Messages: 420
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I like how Toad has decided that self-identifying brown folks should
be given the responsibility for dealing with the class issue, but as a
self-identified millionaire, with both resources and time to spare,
does nothing about it himself. The (rich) white man's burden does not
extend, it seems, to class issues. Awesome.
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30339 is a reply to message #30334] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 11:08 |
ulticritic
Messages: 8204
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On Jul 2, 1:47 pm, bil <ultimatephotogra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like how Toad has decided that self-identifying brown folks should
> be given the responsibility for dealing with the class issue,
dont ya mean yellow folks? and arent race and class issues often
synonomous? i mean obviously they arent here because ultimate is a
suburban sport that takes money to travel and compete.......but what
is the more important of the two issuse.......ultimates lak of racial
diversity or it lack if economic/class diversity?
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but as a
> self-identified millionaire, with both resources and time to spare,
> does nothing about it himself.
nothing????? you call being on the front lines trying to activate
people nothing, you call attempting to start two elite ref leagues
nothing, you call runing for BoD so i can try and initiate change
from the inside nothing. If only everybody did nothing.
------------------------------------------------------------ --
The (rich) white man's burden does not
> extend, it seems, to class issues. Awesome.
i dont even know what the fuck that means......other than its some
intelectual bullshit.
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30362 is a reply to message #30348] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 12:29 |
Douglas T Lilley
Messages: 674
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On Jul 2, 2:54 pm, gooddog <paul-kie...@utc.edu> wrote:
> wow, after reading the shit that toad puts out there, i am beginning
> to miss frank's banter.
The truly hilarious thing is that he is apparently under the delusion
that he is influencing people towards being pro ref by starting 5
threads a day and hijacking every one he doesn't start.
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30363 is a reply to message #30362] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 12:37 |
ulticritic
Messages: 8204
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On Jul 2, 3:29 pm, "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 2:54 pm, gooddog <paul-kie...@utc.edu> wrote:
>
> > wow, after reading the shit that toad puts out there, i am beginning
> > to miss frank's banter.
>
> The truly hilarious thing is that he is apparently under the delusion
> that he is influencing people towards being pro ref by starting 5
> threads a day and hijacking every one he doesn't start.
you have no idea of the number of personal e-mails i get that are
supportive of my efforts
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30375 is a reply to message #30363] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 15:52 |
jermleeds
Messages: 269
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How does that compare to the number of people who disagree with you
who don't email you because they know it's like pissing into the wind?
Selection bias, much?
On Jul 2, 12:37 pm, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 3:29 pm, "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 2, 2:54 pm, gooddog <paul-kie...@utc.edu> wrote:
>
> > > wow, after reading the shit that toad puts out there, i am beginning
> > > to miss frank's banter.
>
> > The truly hilarious thing is that he is apparently under the delusion
> > that he is influencing people towards being pro ref by starting 5
> > threads a day and hijacking every one he doesn't start.
>
> you have no idea of the number of personal e-mails i get that are
> supportive of my efforts
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30376 is a reply to message #30363] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 15:53 |
jermleeds
Messages: 269
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Or, to put it another way, Toad, that choir is already converted.
On Jul 2, 12:37 pm, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 3:29 pm, "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 2, 2:54 pm, gooddog <paul-kie...@utc.edu> wrote:
>
> > > wow, after reading the shit that toad puts out there, i am beginning
> > > to miss frank's banter.
>
> > The truly hilarious thing is that he is apparently under the delusion
> > that he is influencing people towards being pro ref by starting 5
> > threads a day and hijacking every one he doesn't start.
>
> you have no idea of the number of personal e-mails i get that are
> supportive of my efforts
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30381 is a reply to message #30375] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 18:14 |
AndrewZill
Messages: 163
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On Jul 2, 5:52 pm, jermleeds <jermle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How does that compare to the number of people who disagree with you
> who don't email you because they know it's like pissing into the wind?
> Selection bias, much?
>
How is Toad's argument different from the UPA's "We have so many gym
teachers who tell us that self officiating is the reason we include
ultimate in our curriculum" argument. Can they tell us how many gym
teachers don't care about self officiating since all their activities
are self officiated anyway and are put off by the UPA's pretentious
attitude on the matter.
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30384 is a reply to message #30381] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 19:01 |
Douglas T Lilley
Messages: 674
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On Jul 2, 9:14 pm, Heinousboy <andrewz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 5:52 pm, jermleeds <jermle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > How does that compare to the number of people who disagree with you
> > who don't email you because they know it's like pissing into the wind?
> > Selection bias, much?
>
> How is Toad's argument different from the UPA's "We have so many gym
> teachers who tell us that self officiating is the reason we include
> ultimate in our curriculum" argument. Can they tell us how many gym
> teachers don't care about self officiating since all their activities
> are self officiated anyway and are put off by the UPA's pretentious
> attitude on the matter.
Ummm..let me think about this for a second...maybe because he's full
of shit and they aren't?
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30394 is a reply to message #30384] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 21:32 |
AndrewZill
Messages: 163
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On Jul 2, 9:01 pm, "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 9:14 pm, Heinousboy <andrewz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 2, 5:52 pm, jermleeds <jermle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > How does that compare to the number of people who disagree with you
> > > who don't email you because they know it's like pissing into the wind?
> > > Selection bias, much?
>
> > How is Toad's argument different from the UPA's "We have so many gym
> > teachers who tell us that self officiating is the reason we include
> > ultimate in our curriculum" argument. Can they tell us how many gym
> > teachers don't care about self officiating since all their activities
> > are self officiated anyway and are put off by the UPA's pretentious
> > attitude on the matter.
>
> Ummm..let me think about this for a second...maybe because he's full
> of shit and they aren't?
Or they both are.
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30421 is a reply to message #30381] |
Fri, 03 July 2009 06:26 |
Kyle Weisbrod
Messages: 194
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On Jul 2, 9:14 pm, Heinousboy <andrewz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 5:52 pm, jermleeds <jermle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > How does that compare to the number of people who disagree with you
> > who don't email you because they know it's like pissing into the wind?
> > Selection bias, much?
>
> How is Toad's argument different from the UPA's "We have so many gym
> teachers who tell us that self officiating is the reason we include
> ultimate in our curriculum" argument. Can they tell us how many gym
> teachers don't care about self officiating since all their activities
> are self officiated anyway and are put off by the UPA's pretentious
> attitude on the matter.
Zeldin, I've got to call you out on this incredibly ridiculous post.
First of all, you were the one who originally made the argument that
PE Teachers don't care about self officiating - and the funnier thing
was that wasn't because they told you that, but because you didn't
even bring it up the one time you taught it. Here let me refresh your
memory on this conversation:
Here's your post:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.disc/browse_frm/thr ead/5fd0a5030035e21/91dc42d26f15307f?lnk=gst&q=PE+Teache rs+whips#91dc42d26f15307f
I then replied that in my experience (attending dozens PE conferences
and talking to literally thousands of PE teachers) the teachers very
much appreciate self-officiating:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.disc/browse_frm/thr ead/5fd0a5030035e21/91dc42d26f15307f?lnk=gst&q=PE+Teache rs+whips#91dc42d26f15307f
I made no grander claims about about the meaning of my experience than
you had originally in that thread The only difference is that my
experiences with PE teachers is considerably more extensive than yours
was.
So, it seems that both you and Toad are victims of having of an
incredibly limited perspective on the sport where you make assumptions
about what people (both inside and outside of the sport) want based on
very narrow experiences and then when people suggest that your
experience isn't the sum of all experiences you think they are full of
it.
-Kyle
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30422 is a reply to message #30421] |
Fri, 03 July 2009 06:39 |
Zeldin
Messages: 11
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andrew z is not Zeldin
"For the people who don't me I'm Z. I ain't ever want to be nobody I'm
me."
Zeldin
On Jul 3, 9:26 am, Kyle Weisbrod <kyle.weisb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 9:14 pm, Heinousboy <andrewz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 2, 5:52 pm, jermleeds <jermle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > How does that compare to the number of people who disagree with you
> > > who don't email you because they know it's like pissing into the wind?
> > > Selection bias, much?
>
> > How is Toad's argument different from the UPA's "We have so many gym
> > teachers who tell us that self officiating is the reason we include
> > ultimate in our curriculum" argument. Can they tell us how many gym
> > teachers don't care about self officiating since all their activities
> > are self officiated anyway and are put off by the UPA's pretentious
> > attitude on the matter.
>
> Zeldin, I've got to call you out on this incredibly ridiculous post.
> First of all, you were the one who originally made the argument that
> PE Teachers don't care about self officiating - and the funnier thing
> was that wasn't because they told you that, but because you didn't
> even bring it up the one time you taught it. Here let me refresh your
> memory on this conversation:
>
> Here's your post:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.disc/browse_fr m/thread/5fd0a...
>
> I then replied that in my experience (attending dozens PE conferences
> and talking to literally thousands of PE teachers) the teachers very
> much appreciate self-officiating:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport..d isc/browse_frm/thread/5fd0a...
>
> I made no grander claims about about the meaning of my experience than
> you had originally in that thread The only difference is that my
> experiences with PE teachers is considerably more extensive than yours
> was.
>
> So, it seems that both you and Toad are victims of having of an
> incredibly limited perspective on the sport where you make assumptions
> about what people (both inside and outside of the sport) want based on
> very narrow experiences and then when people suggest that your
> experience isn't the sum of all experiences you think they are full of
> it.
>
> -Kyle
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30427 is a reply to message #30422] |
Fri, 03 July 2009 07:19 |
Kyle Weisbrod
Messages: 194
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And for all those years I though it was you....
I apologize, Zeldin. Now I have no idea who heinousboy actually is...
On Jul 3, 9:39 am, Zeldin <ANT5...@AOL.COM> wrote:
> andrew z is not Zeldin
>
> "For the people who don't me I'm Z. I ain't ever want to be nobody I'm
> me."
>
> Zeldin
>
> On Jul 3, 9:26 am, Kyle Weisbrod <kyle.weisb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 2, 9:14 pm, Heinousboy <andrewz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 2, 5:52 pm, jermleeds <jermle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > How does that compare to the number of people who disagree with you
> > > > who don't email you because they know it's like pissing into the wind?
> > > > Selection bias, much?
>
> > > How is Toad's argument different from the UPA's "We have so many gym
> > > teachers who tell us that self officiating is the reason we include
> > > ultimate in our curriculum" argument. Can they tell us how many gym
> > > teachers don't care about self officiating since all their activities
> > > are self officiated anyway and are put off by the UPA's pretentious
> > > attitude on the matter.
>
> > Zeldin, I've got to call you out on this incredibly ridiculous post.
> > First of all, you were the one who originally made the argument that
> > PE Teachers don't care about self officiating - and the funnier thing
> > was that wasn't because they told you that, but because you didn't
> > even bring it up the one time you taught it. Here let me refresh your
> > memory on this conversation:
>
> > Here's your post:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.disc/browse_fr m/thread/5fd0a...
>
> > I then replied that in my experience (attending dozens PE conferences
> > and talking to literally thousands of PE teachers) the teachers very
> > much appreciate self-officiating:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.di sc/browse_frm/thread/5fd0a...
>
> > I made no grander claims about about the meaning of my experience than
> > you had originally in that thread The only difference is that my
> > experiences with PE teachers is considerably more extensive than yours
> > was.
>
> > So, it seems that both you and Toad are victims of having of an
> > incredibly limited perspective on the sport where you make assumptions
> > about what people (both inside and outside of the sport) want based on
> > very narrow experiences and then when people suggest that your
> > experience isn't the sum of all experiences you think they are full of
> > it.
>
> > -Kyle
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30431 is a reply to message #30394] |
Fri, 03 July 2009 07:38 |
ulticritic
Messages: 8204
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On Jul 3, 12:32 am, Heinousboy <andrewz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 9:01 pm, "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 9:14 pm, Heinousboy <andrewz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 2, 5:52 pm, jermleeds <jermle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > How does that compare to the number of people who disagree with you
> > > > who don't email you because they know it's like pissing into the wind?
> > > > Selection bias, much?
>
> > > How is Toad's argument different from the UPA's "We have so many gym
> > > teachers who tell us that self officiating is the reason we include
> > > ultimate in our curriculum" argument. Can they tell us how many gym
> > > teachers don't care about self officiating since all their activities
> > > are self officiated anyway and are put off by the UPA's pretentious
> > > attitude on the matter.
>
> > Ummm..let me think about this for a second...maybe because he's full
> > of shit and they aren't?
>
> Or they both are.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
nope, just them.....as ive said before, ive got an entire sports
industry to back me up.......what do those wankers at upa hq's have?
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30432 is a reply to message #30421] |
Fri, 03 July 2009 07:42 |
ulticritic
Messages: 8204
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On Jul 3, 9:26 am, Kyle Weisbrod <kyle.weisb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So, it seems that both you and Toad are victims of having of an
> incredibly limited perspective on the sport where you make assumptions
> about what people (both inside and outside of the sport) want based on
> very narrow experiences and then when people suggest that your
> experience isn't the sum of all experiences you think they are full of
> it.
then plese explain how the ENTIRE SPORTS INDUSTRY functions in the
same exact way that i propose ultimate confrom to. How is the basing
my perspectiove on that in the least bit limited?
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30448 is a reply to message #30432] |
Fri, 03 July 2009 10:29 |
Jeff
Messages: 337
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the sports industry is the next bubble to burst ... see the PGA and
LPGA, the Texas Rangers so on and so forth
On Jul 3, 10:42�am, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 9:26�am, Kyle Weisbrod <kyle.weisb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > So, it seems that both you and Toad are victims of having of an
> > incredibly limited perspective on the sport where you make assumptions
> > about what people (both inside and outside of the sport) want based on
> > very narrow experiences and then when people suggest that your
> > experience isn't the sum of all experiences you think they are full of
> > it.
>
> then plese explain how the ENTIRE SPORTS INDUSTRY functions in the
> same exact way that i propose ultimate confrom to. �How is the basing
> my perspectiove on that in the least bit limited?
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| Re: IS IT STRANGE TO THINK.... [message #30474 is a reply to message #30448] |
Fri, 03 July 2009 14:12 |
ulticritic
Messages: 8204
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On Jul 3, 1:29 pm, Jeff <jffr...@gmail.com> wrote:.
> the sports industry is the next bubble to burst ... see the PGA and
> LPGA, the Texas Rangers so on and so forth
and when it does i suspect the FIRST thing they will do is shelf the
whole referee systwem in exchange for a player controled sotg,
ultimaye style system eh? youre a clown!!!
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