| Great Lakes Regionals Seedings? [message #113816] |
Tue, 17 April 2012 13:46  |
Hoffdad
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Only 11 days until regionals. These conversations are usually pretty
good and I was interested on how people would seed these 12 teams. I
know the other 4 spots are possible D3/Dev schools so I figured to
just stick with these 12 D1 Schools to start. I haven't really been
paying too close attention so my seeds probably will be off base a
bit. I attended Chicago Invite and watched all the Notre Dame games.
So I am going most off of that tournament and what score reporter is
showing.
1. Michigan State (MI 1)
2. Michigan (MI 2)
3. Illinois (IL 1)
Those 3 are the clear top 3. I think Michigan State looks to me like
a clear #1. Michigan and Illinois I guess could go either way but
looks like Michigan has had the better season and higher RRI, so
probably Michigan?
4/5 - Looks like its between Notre Dame (EPL 1) and Western Michigan
(MI 3). Notre Dame had the better season but Western Michigan is 1-0
against Notre Dame. I don't know the rules for how to seed them.
6. Eastern Michigan (MI 4)
7. Ball State (EPL 2)
8. Indiana (EPL 3)
9. Northwestern (IL 2)
10. Purdue (EPL 4)
11. Eastern Illinois (IL 3)
12. Illinois State (IL 4)
6-12 Im a little shaky on, so don't hold me to those. That is just
seeding off a quick score reporter glance.
13-16 These other 4 teams aren't necesarrily 13-16. North Park and
Michigan B seemed to have good seasons and could move up. I think it
just depends on who decides to go to D1 Regionals or D3 instead,
right?. How does this work exactly? They all get to decide if they
want to compete in D1 or D3 or Dev?
Hoffman
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| Re: Great Lakes Regionals Seedings? [message #114545 is a reply to message #114541] |
Mon, 23 April 2012 19:04  |
BurningCouch6
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>what did it have? was it pool play? bracket play?
Pool play. First 4 as follows:
1. Illinois
2. MSU
3. Notre Dame
4. Michigan
The Sunday bracket play, if seeding stood, would have produced semi-finals matchups between Illinois/Michigan and MSU/ND.
However, I believe the TD had Illinois and Illinois-B, as well as Michigan and Michigan-B in the same respective pools.
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| Re: Great Lakes Regionals Seedings? [message #114547 is a reply to message #114545] |
Mon, 23 April 2012 19:08 |
adamwright08
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BurningCouch6 wrote on Mon, 23 April 2012 19:04>what did it have? was it pool play? bracket play?
Pool play. First 4 as follows:
1. Illinois
2. MSU
3. Notre Dame
4. Michigan
The Sunday bracket play, if seeding stood, would have produced semi-finals matchups between Illinois/Michigan and MSU/ND.
However, I believe the TD had Illinois and Illinois-B, as well as Michigan and Michigan-B in the same respective pools.
Correct, Both Michigan and Illinois had their own B teams in their respective pools.
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| Re: Great Lakes Regionals Seedings? [message #114549 is a reply to message #114545] |
Mon, 23 April 2012 19:10 |
redefine
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Seeding:
1. Illinois
2. MSU
3. Notre Dame
4. Michigan
5. Northwestern
6. Western Michigan
7. Indiana
8. Eastern Illinois
9. Eastern Michigan
10. Purdue
11. Illinois State
12. Michigan B
13. Loyola Chicago
14. Southern Illinois
15. Chicago
16. Illinois B
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| Re: Great Lakes Regionals Seedings? [message #114564 is a reply to message #114549] |
Mon, 23 April 2012 22:27 |
Twoorii
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If they do the pools "properly" they wouldn't be
Pool A:
1,8,10,15
Pool B:
2,7,9,16
Pool C:
3,6,12,13
Pool D:
4,5,11,14
at least from the 2008 tournament manual ( but they should definitely just do a 16 team bracket to start, way cooler)
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| Re: Great Lakes Regionals Seedings? [message #114569 is a reply to message #114549] |
Tue, 24 April 2012 04:26 |
highsmith
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redefine wrote on Mon, 23 April 2012 22:10Seeding:
1. Illinois
2. MSU
3. Notre Dame
4. Michigan
5. Northwestern
6. Western Michigan
7. Indiana
8. Eastern Illinois
9. Eastern Michigan
10. Purdue
11. Illinois State
12. Michigan B
13. Loyola Chicago
14. Southern Illinois
15. Chicago
16. Illinois B
Why/how did Eastern Illinois get ahead of Eastern Michigan?
Eastern Michigan wins head-to-head (by 6), USAU Rankings, RRI Rankings, and win's vs common opponents...
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| Re: Great Lakes Regionals Seedings? [message #114570 is a reply to message #114531] |
Tue, 24 April 2012 04:31 |
highsmith
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NickR wrote on Mon, 23 April 2012 20:31On Monday, April 23, 2012 3:58:12 PM UTC-4, eric wrote:
> bump
> --
> Posted from http://www.rsdnospam.com
they're up and everybody is wrong
http://scores.usaultimate.org/scores/#college-open/tournamen t/10698
it looks like they went each first place team from the three DI sections then the second place team from each of the same sections (excluding Ball State who I guess declined to go) and so on.
Seems like a weird way to seed in some ways.
This put Eastern Illinois ahead of Eastern Michigan when Eastern Michigan won EVERY category against them.
EIU wins in that type of seeding though, because they finish third in their section, while EMU finished fourth.
The same would go for Northwestern, too. It's almost punishing teams for having a stronger section...because the fourth team in the Michigan section beat the second team in the ILL section 13-5.
Meh, guess the moral of the story is do better at sectionals!
-James Highsmith
#17 Eastern Michigan
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| Re: Great Lakes Regionals Seedings? [message #114592 is a reply to message #114570] |
Tue, 24 April 2012 08:27 |
ndfarley3
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Seeds are final and format is up (Seeds below). Not sure that this
format is actually a fair tournament structure as the winners of each
semi are the bids to nationals. With this format you could have two
teams finish the tournament with their only loss being to the champion
with one team moving on and the other staying home. As an example,
Illinois and MSU could both have a single loss to Michigan but MSU
would go to Nationals. It puts the determining factor on the initial
seeding instead of allowing Illinois the chance to play MSU on the
field for the final bid.
Seeds:
1 Michigan State
2 Michigan
3 Illinois
4 Notre Dame
5 Indiana
6 Western Michigan
7 Eastern Michigan
8 Purdue
9 Michigan-B
10 Northwestern
11 Eastern Illinois
12 Illinois State
13 Loyola-Chicago
14 Southern Illinois
15 Chicago
16 Illinois-B
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| Re: Great Lakes Regionals Seedings? [message #114603 is a reply to message #114601] |
Tue, 24 April 2012 09:47 |
Hoffdad
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I don't believe the "previous seedings" you are talking about were
seedings at all. Based off the sheet the regional director was using,
he put those teams in that order because Illinois/MSU/ND were the
three winners of their conferences, so he just had those three at the
top of the list. So there was no flip in seedings. Seedings look to
be set now though because it says the National Director OK'd them.
Looks like they are just working out the schedule now.
Also, I'm hearing that Ball State is not playing at regionals because
they played with an ineligble player at conferences. So they are not
allowed to compete at Regionals.
On Apr 24, 12:35 pm, Adam Wright <adamwrigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Someone must really want the semis to be Illinois-Mich and
> MSU-ND.
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> Previous seeding was :
> 1.Illinois
> 2.MSU
> 3.ND
> 4.Michigan
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> and now it flips to
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> 1.MSU
> 2.Michigan
> 3.Illinois
> 4.ND
> --
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| Re: Great Lakes Regionals Seedings? [message #114608 is a reply to message #114570] |
Tue, 24 April 2012 10:13 |
yngve
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Hey Highsmith,
Are you the guy from Eastern Michigan who was injured on Sunday of Chicago Invite? Someone told me you were a baller.
I play for Northwestern, I was out and a few other of our best guys were out that weekend. I'm looking forward to seeing how we measure up with both of our squads at full strength. I'm excited we get the chance to play you guys again, you guys always bring it. Here's to a good game and staying injury free.
Can't wait,
Kevin Yngve
Northwestern #11
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| Re: Great Lakes Regionals Seedings? [message #114611 is a reply to message #114606] |
Tue, 24 April 2012 10:55 |
bslade86
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If all those teams went 3-0 in pool play, yes, the regionals winner would only have two more games (4th round saturday and 3rd round sunday), while the others would have either 3 (win 4th rd saturday, play round 3 and 4 on Sunday) or 4 (lose 4th round saturday, play rounds 2, 3, 4 on Sunday).
But they have to win their pool first.
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| Re: Great Lakes Regionals Seedings? [message #114613 is a reply to message #114606] |
Tue, 24 April 2012 10:30 |
southbendultimate
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1. There is a replacement for Ball State. I don't know which team it
is but there are 16 teams seeded without Ball State in there.
2. That 16.2.2 format says to use that bracket after pool play. So
if you win your pool then it would A1 vs D1 and B1 vs C1 in Semis on
Saturday. Everyone else would be moved to the bottom bracket to play
for 2nd. So either format there is plenty of games to earn your way
to nationals.
On Apr 24, 1:10 pm, Aaron <ziegl...@msu.edu> wrote:
> If Ball State is out and there is no replacement team from
> one of the D-III schools, then it should be 16.2.2
> ( http://www.usaultimate.org/assets/1/Page/FormatManual_7108.p df)
> [pp. 81].
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> Which would look like this:
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> 1MSU
> 4Notre Dame
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> 2Michigan
> 3Illinois
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> Winners of these two games play each other for 1st place.
> Losers fall into 2nd place bracket. Loser of finals plays a
> backdoor game.
>
> Essentially this means that the minimum amount of games for
> one of the top four teams is two games, and they would
> advance to Nationals (1st).
> --
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| Re: Great Lakes Regionals Seedings? [message #114654 is a reply to message #113816] |
Tue, 24 April 2012 15:49 |
DirkDiggler
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It's difficult to see how Illinois is not #1 when you look at regular season results against common opponents:
Iowa - Illinois lost 9-15, 9-15, 7-12. MSU lost 5-13, 5-13.
Whitman - Illinois won 13-10. MSU won 15-11.
Luther - Illinois won 15-9 and 13-12, lost 15-14. MSU lost 7-13.
Dartmouth - Illinois won 13-12. MSU lost 10-14. Michigan won 11-7.
UCSD - Illinois won 15-11. Michigan won 11-6.
Florida - Illinois won 14-8. Michigan lost 12-14.
Georgia - Illinois won 15-12. Michigan won 13-11.
Ohio - Illinois won 11-9. MSU lost 7-12. Michigan lost 9-12.
One stat about these scores:
Comparing common opponents between Illinois and MSU...Illinois is 5-4 and MSU is 1-5
Comparing Illinois and Michigan...Illinois is 5-0 and Michigan is 3-2.
If you chose to include Michigan Indoor and Sectionals, the conclusion doesn't really change.
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| Re: Great Lakes Regionals Seedings? [message #114861 is a reply to message #114856] |
Thu, 26 April 2012 23:46 |
Skiddy-O
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GLregion wrote on Thu, 26 April 2012 22:15Hm, weird seeing Michigan, the 2nd place finisher in their conference, seeded above Illinois and Notre Dame...winners of their conferences.
MSU must be pretty pleased with the draw though
Not weird at all seeing Michigan seeded over Notre Dame. They literally have the edge in EVERY criteria. Head-to-head, common opponents, USAU rankings, etc...
Maybe a little weird over Ill, but they do have the better USAU ranking and pretty comparable season results.
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| Re: Great Lakes Regionals Seedings? [message #114862 is a reply to message #114856] |
Thu, 26 April 2012 23:45 |
hostilnakfor
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will wrote:
> Hm, weird seeing Michigan, the 2nd place finisher in their
> conference, seeded above Illinois and Notre Dame...winners
> of their conferences.
> MSU must be pretty pleased with the draw though
I remember stomping all over Michigan whenever we played them. It was
like back in football playing the little village next door.
--
John the Sensei. John the Revelator.
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| Re: Great Lakes Regionals Seedings? [message #114864 is a reply to message #114856] |
Thu, 26 April 2012 23:51 |
toucansam
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winning a conference in no way guarantees a top seed. think about if the 2nd place finishing team at NC regionals (so probably a top 5 team overall) had to be seeded behind UConn or whoever else comes out of the Metro East at Nationals just because UConn won their region. That would be utterly absurd.
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| Re: Great Lakes Regionals Seedings? [message #114878 is a reply to message #114864] |
Fri, 27 April 2012 02:19 |
hostilnakfor
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toucan sam wrote:
> winning a conference in no way guarantees a top seed. think
> about if the 2nd place finishing team at NC regionals (so
> probably a top 5 team overall) had to be seeded behind UConn
> or whoever else comes out of the Metro East at Nationals
> just because UConn won their region. That would be utterly
> absurd.
Michigan has more lakes than Illinois. Hell, they have some great lakes
and Illinois sits landlocked. Thos Michigan guys sit at the bottom of a
lake and play ultimate frisbee underwater! Illinois goes in with Red
Sea offense again and again, and then Michigan gie
--
Promiser of Sorrow. Language of the Grave.
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