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Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15068 is a reply to message #15065] Tue, 10 March 2009 10:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
throw
Messages: 743
Registered: September 2008
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buggle,

I didn't say it was a hot topic in the past....

just that the previous generation did go over it and there were i-need-
a-ref-in-my-life zealots back in the early early 80s....if not the
late 70's.

Give me a few days and I'll send the reference info and some text to
your account directly.

Lunch break is over on this end.

later,
Peter Mc
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15069 is a reply to message #15061] Tue, 10 March 2009 10:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Daag Alemayehu
Messages: 249
Registered: September 2008
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On Mar 10, 1:00 pm, i...@ThisIsUltimate.com wrote:
> Daag....
>
> That's not quite accurate...Look into it a little more....
>
> Refs were discussed, pitched, argued in disc sport publications before
> Toad started playing ultimate.
>
> Later
> Peter Mc

Peter, Colin, and others:

I'm not saying that Toad is the originator of the debate or that he's
solely responsible for change. What I'm saying is that he is the most
visible and most vocal advocate for change. I don't want to speak for
Rob and the UNC guys but I just don't think they would have the
inclination or the motivation to use active observers at the ACC
Championships if not for the fact that every other RSD post is Toad
clamoring for refs (as well as many offline conversations among
players). And I don't want to speak for Skip, Cyle, and Cultimate,
but I also get the feeling that their idea to use active observers for
C1/NCUA/whatever was in large part sparked by the Toad-fueled ref
debate. Again, not saying that everything was ALL his idea, but he is
undoubtedly the most public figure when it comes to refs in ultimate.

I'm no fool. I know people have been talking about (self-)officiation
since the advent of the sport. How could they not? And as much as
Toad has done for the sport over the past decade and a half, I know
people have argued over refs for much longer. All I'm saying is that,
thanks in large part to Toad, now the issue is always at the
forefront.

Out of genuine curiousity, over the years how many tournaments have
implemented active observers or refs? And also out of genuine
curiosity, how many of those tournaments had absolutely nothing to do
with Toad (i.e., didn't involve him and weren't partially due to his
incessant RSD rantings)?
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15072 is a reply to message #15067] Tue, 10 March 2009 11:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob
Messages: 977
Registered: October 2008
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On Mar 10, 10:28 am, Jeff <Jffr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 1:12 pm, Rob <r...@ultivillage.com> wrote:
>
> > Are we even certain toad got banned? Maybe he finally decided to clean
> > his garage and is currently trapped under a large pile of old
> > newspapers or unused NUA Refzerver uniforms. Can anyone check his
> > garage?
>
> > Rob
>
> for those of us who have emailed Toad off RSD and have checked his
> email address against the group - he has been banned  - go back to one
> of his older posts get the email address and then try to do a search
> upon it

Hey Jeff, this was actually a joke. I just can't get this image out of
my head of Toad trying to make a rocket out of vinegar and baking soda
trying to shoot the vacuum cord over the garage rafters. Maybe my
Simpson's reference was a little too subtle.

Rob
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15073 is a reply to message #15069] Tue, 10 March 2009 11:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
faddy
Messages: 310
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Mar 10, 1:48 pm, Daag Alemayehu <daag.alemay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 1:00 pm, i...@ThisIsUltimate.com wrote:
>
> > Daag....
>
> > That's not quite accurate...Look into it a little more....
>
> > Refs were discussed, pitched, argued in disc sport publications before
> > Toad started playing ultimate.
>
> > Later
> > Peter Mc
>
> Peter, Colin, and others:
>
> I'm not saying that Toad is the originator of the debate or that he's
> solely responsible for change.  What I'm saying is that he is the most
> visible and most vocal advocate for change.  I don't want to speak for
> Rob and the UNC guys but I just don't think they would have the
> inclination or the motivation to use active observers at the ACC
> Championships if not for the fact that every other RSD post is Toad
> clamoring for refs (as well as many offline conversations among
> players).  And I don't want to speak for Skip, Cyle, and Cultimate,
> but I also get the feeling that their idea to use active observers for
> C1/NCUA/whatever was in large part sparked by the Toad-fueled ref
> debate.  Again, not saying that everything was ALL his idea, but he is
> undoubtedly the most public figure when it comes to refs in ultimate.
>
> I'm no fool.  I know people have been talking about (self-)officiation
> since the advent of the sport.  How could they not?  And as much as
> Toad has done for the sport over the past decade and a half, I know
> people have argued over refs for much longer.  All I'm saying is that,
> thanks in large part to Toad, now the issue is always at the
> forefront.
>
> Out of genuine curiousity, over the years how many tournaments have
> implemented active observers or refs?  And also out of genuine
> curiosity, how many of those tournaments had absolutely nothing to do
> with Toad (i.e., didn't involve him and weren't partially due to his
> incessant RSD rantings)?

well, the NUA (founded by Toad) led to the MLU (an idea very similar
to, but later than Toad's and likely with some of his input/ideas).

NUA was full on refs, not sure exactly how the MLU ran things.

i can't think of any others in the modern era.

active observers is another story, but it seems to have some roots
here in NC as well.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15078 is a reply to message #15073] Tue, 10 March 2009 11:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob
Messages: 977
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On Mar 10, 11:03 am, buggle <tbug...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 1:48 pm, Daag Alemayehu <daag.alemay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 1:00 pm, i...@ThisIsUltimate.com wrote:
>
> > > Daag....
>
> > > That's not quite accurate...Look into it a little more....
>
> > > Refs were discussed, pitched, argued in disc sport publications before
> > > Toad started playing ultimate.
>
> > > Later
> > > Peter Mc
>
> > Peter, Colin, and others:
>
> > I'm not saying that Toad is the originator of the debate or that he's
> > solely responsible for change.  What I'm saying is that he is the most
> > visible and most vocal advocate for change.  I don't want to speak for
> > Rob and the UNC guys but I just don't think they would have the
> > inclination or the motivation to use active observers at the ACC
> > Championships if not for the fact that every other RSD post is Toad
> > clamoring for refs (as well as many offline conversations among
> > players).  And I don't want to speak for Skip, Cyle, and Cultimate,
> > but I also get the feeling that their idea to use active observers for
> > C1/NCUA/whatever was in large part sparked by the Toad-fueled ref
> > debate.  Again, not saying that everything was ALL his idea, but he is
> > undoubtedly the most public figure when it comes to refs in ultimate.
>
> > I'm no fool.  I know people have been talking about (self-)officiation
> > since the advent of the sport.  How could they not?  And as much as
> > Toad has done for the sport over the past decade and a half, I know
> > people have argued over refs for much longer.  All I'm saying is that,
> > thanks in large part to Toad, now the issue is always at the
> > forefront.
>
> > Out of genuine curiousity, over the years how many tournaments have
> > implemented active observers or refs?  And also out of genuine
> > curiosity, how many of those tournaments had absolutely nothing to do
> > with Toad (i.e., didn't involve him and weren't partially due to his
> > incessant RSD rantings)?
>
> well, the NUA (founded by Toad) led to the MLU (an idea very similar
> to, but later than Toad's and likely with some of his input/ideas).
>
> NUA was full on refs, not sure exactly how the MLU ran things.
>
> i can't think of any others in the modern era.
>
> active observers is another story, but it seems to have some roots
> here in NC as well.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The MLU was full on refs, influenced by toad but ran by Ian. Summer
Solstice in Eugene is an experimental tourney that comes to mind that
I'm pretty sure Toad does not have any influence on. I believe the
experiments at Solstice are the brainchild of Lou Burrus.

Rob
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15080 is a reply to message #15078] Tue, 10 March 2009 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
faddy
Messages: 310
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Mar 10, 2:17 pm, Rob <r...@ultivillage.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 11:03 am, buggle <tbug...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 1:48 pm, Daag Alemayehu <daag.alemay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 10, 1:00 pm, i...@ThisIsUltimate.com wrote:
>
> > > > Daag....
>
> > > > That's not quite accurate...Look into it a little more....
>
> > > > Refs were discussed, pitched, argued in disc sport publications before
> > > > Toad started playing ultimate.
>
> > > > Later
> > > > Peter Mc
>
> > > Peter, Colin, and others:
>
> > > I'm not saying that Toad is the originator of the debate or that he's
> > > solely responsible for change.  What I'm saying is that he is the most
> > > visible and most vocal advocate for change.  I don't want to speak for
> > > Rob and the UNC guys but I just don't think they would have the
> > > inclination or the motivation to use active observers at the ACC
> > > Championships if not for the fact that every other RSD post is Toad
> > > clamoring for refs (as well as many offline conversations among
> > > players).  And I don't want to speak for Skip, Cyle, and Cultimate,
> > > but I also get the feeling that their idea to use active observers for
> > > C1/NCUA/whatever was in large part sparked by the Toad-fueled ref
> > > debate.  Again, not saying that everything was ALL his idea, but he is
> > > undoubtedly the most public figure when it comes to refs in ultimate.
>
> > > I'm no fool.  I know people have been talking about (self-)officiation
> > > since the advent of the sport.  How could they not?  And as much as
> > > Toad has done for the sport over the past decade and a half, I know
> > > people have argued over refs for much longer.  All I'm saying is that,
> > > thanks in large part to Toad, now the issue is always at the
> > > forefront.
>
> > > Out of genuine curiousity, over the years how many tournaments have
> > > implemented active observers or refs?  And also out of genuine
> > > curiosity, how many of those tournaments had absolutely nothing to do
> > > with Toad (i.e., didn't involve him and weren't partially due to his
> > > incessant RSD rantings)?
>
> > well, the NUA (founded by Toad) led to the MLU (an idea very similar
> > to, but later than Toad's and likely with some of his input/ideas).
>
> > NUA was full on refs, not sure exactly how the MLU ran things.
>
> > i can't think of any others in the modern era.
>
> > active observers is another story, but it seems to have some roots
> > here in NC as well.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The MLU was full on refs, influenced by toad but ran by Ian. Summer
> Solstice in Eugene is an experimental tourney that comes to mind that
> I'm pretty sure Toad does not have any influence on. I believe the
> experiments at Solstice are the brainchild of Lou Burrus.
>
> Rob- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


experiments? what type?
as in refs? if so, then it is NOT his (Lou) idea, as you already
stated the SAME thing earlier about a different individual.

if you're talking other types of experiments, maybe they are new ideas.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15081 is a reply to message #15058] Tue, 10 March 2009 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Mar 10, 9:49 am, Daag Alemayehu <daag.alemay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 12:36 am, Colin <colinmcint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Don't confuse the work and ideas of people who actually accomplish
> > stuff with anything to do with Toad.
>
> Here's what I don't understand.
>
> Whether you hate Toad or you love him, how can anyone NOT give him
> credit for making the ref vs. observer vs. self-officiated debate one
> of the hottest (if not the absolutely hottest) topics in the sport of
> ultimate?  He posts about it 700 times a day.  He's been banned from
> Google Groups TWICE, and all he's done is talk about it and try to
> rile people up about it.  There's no way to ignore it.
>
> Why don't you get on Google and search through some old RSD posts from
> like 5-7 years ago, back before Toad became a regular*?  The topic of
> officiating comes up every once in awhile but it's no more than a
> hypothetical discussion for the academics.  There's absolutely no way
> we'd be seeing these experimental tournaments popping up without Toad
> sparking debate.  And there's no way the UPA would already be toying
> with the idea of using active observers in the College Series.  None.
> Give the devil his due.
>
> * Toad may bave been an RSD regular back in the 90s or very early 00s,
> but I wouldn't know anything about that.

The problem I had with Toad was threefold:
1. He posted so much he was very distracting.
2. His language was so aggressive and nasty, he invoked emotional
responses which diluted the discussion of the thread.
3. He argued so much for the same issue (refs) that his opinion became
boring and rarely added anything.

I welcome his loss.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15082 is a reply to message #15081] Tue, 10 March 2009 11:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
faddy
Messages: 310
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Mar 10, 2:26 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 9:49 am, Daag Alemayehu <daag.alemay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 12:36 am, Colin <colinmcint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Don't confuse the work and ideas of people who actually accomplish
> > > stuff with anything to do with Toad.
>
> > Here's what I don't understand.
>
> > Whether you hate Toad or you love him, how can anyone NOT give him
> > credit for making the ref vs. observer vs. self-officiated debate one
> > of the hottest (if not the absolutely hottest) topics in the sport of
> > ultimate?  He posts about it 700 times a day.  He's been banned from
> > Google Groups TWICE, and all he's done is talk about it and try to
> > rile people up about it.  There's no way to ignore it.
>
> > Why don't you get on Google and search through some old RSD posts from
> > like 5-7 years ago, back before Toad became a regular*?  The topic of
> > officiating comes up every once in awhile but it's no more than a
> > hypothetical discussion for the academics.  There's absolutely no way
> > we'd be seeing these experimental tournaments popping up without Toad
> > sparking debate.  And there's no way the UPA would already be toying
> > with the idea of using active observers in the College Series.  None.
> > Give the devil his due.
>
> > * Toad may bave been an RSD regular back in the 90s or very early 00s,
> > but I wouldn't know anything about that.
>
> The problem I had with Toad was threefold:
> 1. He posted so much he was very distracting.
> 2. His language was so aggressive and nasty, he invoked emotional
> responses which diluted the discussion of the thread.
> 3. He argued so much for the same issue (refs) that his opinion became
> boring and rarely added anything.
>
> I welcome his loss.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

i'll have to ask my mom what she thinks about it. she may agree.
she's watched lots of ultimate too.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15085 is a reply to message #15082] Tue, 10 March 2009 11:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Mar 10, 11:29 am, buggle <tbug...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 2:26 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 9:49 am, Daag Alemayehu <daag.alemay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 10, 12:36 am, Colin <colinmcint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Don't confuse the work and ideas of people who actually accomplish
> > > > stuff with anything to do with Toad.
>
> > > Here's what I don't understand.
>
> > > Whether you hate Toad or you love him, how can anyone NOT give him
> > > credit for making the ref vs. observer vs. self-officiated debate one
> > > of the hottest (if not the absolutely hottest) topics in the sport of
> > > ultimate?  He posts about it 700 times a day.  He's been banned from
> > > Google Groups TWICE, and all he's done is talk about it and try to
> > > rile people up about it.  There's no way to ignore it.
>
> > > Why don't you get on Google and search through some old RSD posts from
> > > like 5-7 years ago, back before Toad became a regular*?  The topic of
> > > officiating comes up every once in awhile but it's no more than a
> > > hypothetical discussion for the academics.  There's absolutely no way
> > > we'd be seeing these experimental tournaments popping up without Toad
> > > sparking debate.  And there's no way the UPA would already be toying
> > > with the idea of using active observers in the College Series.  None.
> > > Give the devil his due.
>
> > > * Toad may bave been an RSD regular back in the 90s or very early 00s,
> > > but I wouldn't know anything about that.
>
> > The problem I had with Toad was threefold:
> > 1. He posted so much he was very distracting.
> > 2. His language was so aggressive and nasty, he invoked emotional
> > responses which diluted the discussion of the thread.
> > 3. He argued so much for the same issue (refs) that his opinion became
> > boring and rarely added anything.
>
> > I welcome his loss.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> i'll have to ask my mom what she thinks about it. she may agree.
> she's watched lots of ultimate too.

cute...
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15086 is a reply to message #15082] Tue, 10 March 2009 11:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacob
Messages: 576
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"Maybe my Simpson's reference was a little too subtle."

Are you maintaining your sanity by incessantly dribbling a
basketball?
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15088 is a reply to message #15082] Tue, 10 March 2009 11:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacob
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"Out of genuine curiousity, over the years how many tournaments have
implemented active observers or refs? And also out of genuine
curiosity, how many of those tournaments had absolutely nothing to do
with Toad?"

Labor Day 1996 in Santa Cruz was reffed. Dennis Karlinsky (later of
Jam and Sockeye) ran it, after spending Fall of 1994 in Wilmington,
NC. Connect the dots.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15089 is a reply to message #15085] Tue, 10 March 2009 11:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
faddy
Messages: 310
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Mar 10, 2:36 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 11:29 am, buggle <tbug...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 2:26 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 10, 9:49 am, Daag Alemayehu <daag.alemay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 10, 12:36 am, Colin <colinmcint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Don't confuse the work and ideas of people who actually accomplish
> > > > > stuff with anything to do with Toad.
>
> > > > Here's what I don't understand.
>
> > > > Whether you hate Toad or you love him, how can anyone NOT give him
> > > > credit for making the ref vs. observer vs. self-officiated debate one
> > > > of the hottest (if not the absolutely hottest) topics in the sport of
> > > > ultimate?  He posts about it 700 times a day.  He's been banned from
> > > > Google Groups TWICE, and all he's done is talk about it and try to
> > > > rile people up about it.  There's no way to ignore it.
>
> > > > Why don't you get on Google and search through some old RSD posts from
> > > > like 5-7 years ago, back before Toad became a regular*?  The topic of
> > > > officiating comes up every once in awhile but it's no more than a
> > > > hypothetical discussion for the academics.  There's absolutely no way
> > > > we'd be seeing these experimental tournaments popping up without Toad
> > > > sparking debate.  And there's no way the UPA would already be toying
> > > > with the idea of using active observers in the College Series.  None.
> > > > Give the devil his due.
>
> > > > * Toad may bave been an RSD regular back in the 90s or very early 00s,
> > > > but I wouldn't know anything about that.
>
> > > The problem I had with Toad was threefold:
> > > 1. He posted so much he was very distracting.
> > > 2. His language was so aggressive and nasty, he invoked emotional
> > > responses which diluted the discussion of the thread.
> > > 3. He argued so much for the same issue (refs) that his opinion became
> > > boring and rarely added anything.
>
> > > I welcome his loss.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > i'll have to ask my mom what she thinks about it. she may agree.
> > she's watched lots of ultimate too.
>
> cute...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

you two may have been on the bleachers/hillside right next to each
other!!!
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15091 is a reply to message #15089] Tue, 10 March 2009 11:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacob
Messages: 576
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And you weren't even in shape.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15092 is a reply to message #15091] Tue, 10 March 2009 11:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
faddy
Messages: 310
Registered: September 2008
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On Mar 10, 2:44 pm, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And you weren't even in shape.

it's all relative. as i look down at my toolshed, i can say i was in
hellashape!!
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15095 is a reply to message #15086] Tue, 10 March 2009 12:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob
Messages: 977
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On Mar 10, 11:37 am, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Maybe my Simpson's reference was a little too subtle."
>
> Are you maintaining your sanity by incessantly dribbling a
> basketball?

Just a lot of self passes with a disc golf disc. Getting ready for
DiscGolfHoops.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15098 is a reply to message #15086] Tue, 10 March 2009 12:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wagenwheel
Messages: 323
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Mar 10, 2:37 pm, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Maybe my Simpson's reference was a little too subtle."
>
> Are you maintaining your sanity by incessantly dribbling a
> basketball?

All,

The MLU was Toad's Pinocchio, he was handling the strings. I was
involved in an ancillary, consulting capacity advising Toad to keep
his name out of it to insure it actually happened. MLU was not
influenced by Toad, it was Toad, with Sammy CK and a host of other
"reputable" names in the forefront of the event. Solstice came after
that which had nothing to do with Toad, but surely was influenced by
MLU and ref debate.

Look, let's not give one person too much credit here. Even I get
tired of reading his rantings and I live 1.5 miles from the guy. I
credit Leber for putting Eastern NC Ultimate on the map. I credit
Leber for investing his money (more than you think) into a league that
failed in part due to Ultimate apathy and lack of organizational and
financial leadership. I credit Leber for taking a group of dedicated
UNCW girls and training them to win the National Championship. I also
credit him for teaching a group of UNCW athletic wannabes how to play
the game to win, and win within the context of the UPA rules. I also
credit Leber for horrible spelling and the tact of Saddam Hussein.
But when something is rotten, leave it to Leber to call it out. Good,
bad, or indifferent.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15101 is a reply to message #15082] Tue, 10 March 2009 13:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
Messages: 601
Registered: September 2008
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On Mar 10, 11:29 am, buggle <tbug...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 2:26 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:

> i'll have to ask my mom what she thinks about it. she may agree.
> she's watched lots of ultimate too.

Since when do you have to have played ultimate in order to know an
asshole when you see one?

~p
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15104 is a reply to message #15086] Tue, 10 March 2009 13:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
Messages: 830
Registered: September 2008
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Poulos, if you read my other posts, you would see that I support using
observers & expanding their role on the field. I hired (experienced)
observers for mixed regionals when I TD'd the event. However, I also
commented that observers were hit or miss the last few years at
Nationals, to the point that my team (Amp) steered away from using
them.

Anyway, obviously, I hurt your feelings the other day when I teased
you about having a stick up your ass. Hope you get over it soon. Also,
tell Jared that I said congrats on being chosen for team USA, it's
well deserved & Philly will take some credit for getting him where he
is today.



On Mar 10, 2:37 pm, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Maybe my Simpson's reference was a little too subtle."
>
> Are you maintaining your sanity by incessantly dribbling a
> basketball?
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15110 is a reply to message #15101] Tue, 10 March 2009 14:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Mar 10, 1:07 pm, pinto <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 11:29 am, buggle <tbug...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 10, 2:26 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> > i'll have to ask my mom what she thinks about it. she may agree.
> > she's watched lots of ultimate too.
>
> Since when do you have to have played ultimate in order to know an
> asshole when you see one?
>
>      ~p

I've never seen him... I only read his posts. And I agree, you don't
have to be a player to recognize an angry, self-centered, hot-head who
whines and attacks whenever he doesn't get his way.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15131 is a reply to message #15034] Tue, 10 March 2009 19:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
beatty
Messages: 43
Registered: October 2008
Member
i miss the comfort of being sad
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15149 is a reply to message #15101] Tue, 10 March 2009 22:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Douglas T Lilley
Messages: 674
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Mar 10, 4:07 pm, pinto <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 11:29 am, buggle <tbug...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 10, 2:26 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> > i'll have to ask my mom what she thinks about it. she may agree.
> > she's watched lots of ultimate too.
>
> Since when do you have to have played ultimate in order to know an
> asshole when you see one?
>
>      ~p

Provocative question. The obvious (and true) answer is, of course,
you don't but I've always found one of the more endearing aspects of
Ultimate to be that, if there is a true, bona fide grade A asshole on
the field, the over/under on everyone finding out about it in a
painfully dismaying manner is generally about 4 minutes or less. It's
a funny game that way...
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15151 is a reply to message #15104] Wed, 11 March 2009 00:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
scpoulos
Messages: 225
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Mar 10, 4:29 pm, Knappy <knappy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Poulos, if you read my other posts, you would see that I support using
> observers & expanding their role on the field. I hired (experienced)
> observers for mixed regionals when I TD'd the event. However, I also
> commented that observers were hit or miss the last few years at
> Nationals, to the point that my team (Amp) steered away from using
> them.
>
> Anyway, obviously, I hurt your feelings the other day when I teased
> you about having a stick up your ass. Hope you get over it soon. Also,
> tell Jared that I said congrats on being chosen for team USA, it's
> well deserved & Philly will take some credit for getting him where he
> is today.
>

well knappy you really got me. just yesterday, I was able to pull that
darn stick out of my ass! you say something like that and think it
hurts my feelings? if you think i am so soft then lets match up
sometime on the field. that might be the best way for me to get over
the bruised ego. problem is you play coed. come play with the big boys
and see if you hurt my feelings with your weak-ass rhetoric. I guess
better to do it with your mouth than nothing at all, but at least you
can sound like a tough guy right?
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15152 is a reply to message #15151] Wed, 11 March 2009 00:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Mar 11, 12:29 am, "scpou...@hotmail.com" <scpou...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 10, 4:29 pm, Knappy <knappy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Poulos, if you read my other posts, you would see that I support using
> > observers & expanding their role on the field. I hired (experienced)
> > observers for mixed regionals when I TD'd the event. However, I also
> > commented that observers were hit or miss the last few years at
> > Nationals, to the point that my team (Amp) steered away from using
> > them.
>
> > Anyway, obviously, I hurt your feelings the other day when I teased
> > you about having a stick up your ass. Hope you get over it soon. Also,
> > tell Jared that I said congrats on being chosen for team USA, it's
> > well deserved & Philly will take some credit for getting him where he
> > is today.
>
> well knappy you really got me. just yesterday, I was able to pull that
> darn stick out of my ass!  you say something like that and think it
> hurts my feelings? if you think i am so soft then lets match up
> sometime on the field. that might be the best way for me to get over
> the bruised ego. problem is you play coed. come play with the big boys
> and see if you hurt my feelings with your weak-ass rhetoric. I guess
> better to do it with your mouth than nothing at all, but at least you
> can sound like a tough guy right?

Do you really think you're impressing anyone with your macho talk?
After your post, it is obvious you are very thin skinned and prefer to
fight it out rather than reason and debate. This is a discussion board
in case you haven't noticed. If you don't feel comfortable here, feel
free to spend your time on the field. We won't miss you...
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15154 is a reply to message #15152] Wed, 11 March 2009 07:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
Messages: 830
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
Poulos, you gotta ease up on the HGH. It's making you all kinds of
menstrual or something. I am a 40 year old dude who eats constantly. I
would certainly hope that you could outrun me on the field.

Not sure what that has to do with this exchange about observers vs
refs, todd being an ineffective or effective advocate for officials,
me & you ironically hijacking a thread about Toad, or the fact that
you are soooo sensitive.

seriously, though......reading your posts, I understand your passion
for ultimate & that you want the game to evolve to another level.
make it happen.



On Mar 11, 3:50 am, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On Mar 11, 12:29 am, "scpou...@hotmail.com" <scpou...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 4:29 pm, Knappy <knappy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Poulos, if you read my other posts, you would see that I support using
> > > observers & expanding their role on the field. I hired (experienced)
> > > observers for mixed regionals when I TD'd the event. However, I also
> > > commented that observers were hit or miss the last few years at
> > > Nationals, to the point that my team (Amp) steered away from using
> > > them.
>
> > > Anyway, obviously, I hurt your feelings the other day when I teased
> > > you about having a stick up your ass. Hope you get over it soon. Also,
> > > tell Jared that I said congrats on being chosen for team USA, it's
> > > well deserved & Philly will take some credit for getting him where he
> > > is today.
>
> > well knappy you really got me. just yesterday, I was able to pull that
> > darn stick out of my ass!  you say something like that and think it
> > hurts my feelings? if you think i am so soft then lets match up
> > sometime on the field. that might be the best way for me to get over
> > the bruised ego. problem is you play coed. come play with the big boys
> > and see if you hurt my feelings with your weak-ass rhetoric. I guess
> > better to do it with your mouth than nothing at all, but at least you
> > can sound like a tough guy right?
>
> Do you really think you're impressing anyone with your macho talk?
> After your post, it is obvious you are very thin skinned and prefer to
> fight it out rather than reason and debate. This is a discussion board
> in case you haven't noticed. If you don't feel comfortable here, feel
> free to spend your time on the field. We won't miss you...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15171 is a reply to message #15154] Wed, 11 March 2009 09:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacob
Messages: 576
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
"I am a 40 year old dude who eats constantly"

So now you're bragging out your eating skills? Come step to me in an
eating contest and we'll see if you're man enough to back this talk
up.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15174 is a reply to message #15171] Wed, 11 March 2009 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Johnson
Messages: 174
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
You guys are all fools. Toad wasn't banned. He left.

It's the recession's fault.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15178 is a reply to message #15081] Wed, 11 March 2009 10:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
Messages: 8115
Registered: October 2008
Senior Member
> The problem I had with Toad was threefold:
> 1. He posted so much he was very distracting.
> 2. His language was so aggressive and nasty, he invoked emotional
> responses which diluted the discussion of the thread.
> 3. He argued so much for the same issue (refs) that his opinion became
> boring and rarely added anything.
>
> I welcome his loss
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---you're a dick

you're just a fucking dick.
posted a lot, nasty language and argued.

jesus christ.....some people.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15179 is a reply to message #15152] Wed, 11 March 2009 10:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
Messages: 8115
Registered: October 2008
Senior Member
it is obvious you are very thin skinned and prefer to
> fight it out rather than reason and debate.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---what's wrong with that?
jeeze man....celebrate the differences...would you?????
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15183 is a reply to message #15065] Wed, 11 March 2009 11:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jermleeds
Messages: 270
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Mar 10, 10:15 am, buggle <tbug...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 1:00 pm, i...@ThisIsUltimate.com wrote:
>
> > Daag....
>
> > That's not quite accurate...Look into it a little more....
>
The Google is your friend.


> > Refs were discussed, pitched, argued in disc sport publications before
> > Toad started playing ultimate.
>
> > Later
> > Peter Mc
>
> references?
>
> I know there was a provision in the original rules for refs but that
> was essentially squashed not terribly long after (perhaps due to the
> New Games thingie).
>
> So, TIU, why is it that there is a proliferation of experimentation as
> of late if this has been such a hot topic for all these years?
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15184 is a reply to message #15069] Wed, 11 March 2009 11:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jermleeds
Messages: 270
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Mar 10, 10:48 am, Daag Alemayehu <daag.alemay...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not saying that Toad is the originator of the debate or that he's
> solely responsible for change.  What I'm saying is that he is the most
> visible and most vocal advocate for change.  I don't want to speak for


Daag, you say that like it's a good thing. Even if you share the
opinion that the lack of refs is holding the sport back, is having
Toad be the "the most visible and most vocal advocate" for refs the
best way to advance that agenda? If you want refs in ultimate, is
Toad's illiterate, sexist, homophobic ranting really the most
effective advocacy for that position? I'd say no.









> Rob and the UNC guys but I just don't think they would have the
> inclination or the motivation to use active observers at the ACC
> Championships if not for the fact that every other RSD post is Toad
> clamoring for refs (as well as many offline conversations among
> players).  And I don't want to speak for Skip, Cyle, and Cultimate,
> but I also get the feeling that their idea to use active observers for
> C1/NCUA/whatever was in large part sparked by the Toad-fueled ref
> debate.  Again, not saying that everything was ALL his idea, but he is
> undoubtedly the most public figure when it comes to refs in ultimate.
>
> I'm no fool.  I know people have been talking about (self-)officiation
> since the advent of the sport.  How could they not?  And as much as
> Toad has done for the sport over the past decade and a half, I know
> people have argued over refs for much longer.  All I'm saying is that,
> thanks in large part to Toad, now the issue is always at the
> forefront.
>
> Out of genuine curiousity, over the years how many tournaments have
> implemented active observers or refs?  And also out of genuine
> curiosity, how many of those tournaments had absolutely nothing to do
> with Toad (i.e., didn't involve him and weren't partially due to his
> incessant RSD rantings)?
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15186 is a reply to message #15184] Wed, 11 March 2009 11:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
Messages: 8115
Registered: October 2008
Senior Member
If you want refs in ultimate, is
> Toad's illiterate, sexist, homophobic ranting really the most
> effective advocacy for that position? I'd say no.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---at this point in time....i'd say that Toad's ranting IS the most
effective advocate from refs...yes.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15197 is a reply to message #15171] Wed, 11 March 2009 12:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mkt
Messages: 52
Registered: September 2008
Member
On Mar 11, 9:27 am, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "I am a 40 year old dude who eats constantly"
>
> So now you're bragging out your eating skills? Come step to me in an
> eating contest and we'll see if you're man enough to back this talk
> up.

What's your age though? He's probably in the Grandmaster's Eating
Contest.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15203 is a reply to message #15174] Wed, 11 March 2009 13:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dodds.daniel.j
Messages: 41
Registered: January 2009
Member
On Mar 11, 1:07 pm, Matt Johnson <BSSH...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You guys are all fools.  Toad wasn't banned.  He left.
>
> It's the recession's fault.

Where's the proof toad was in fact banned, and just hasn't been
markedly absent?
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15205 is a reply to message #15197] Wed, 11 March 2009 13:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
Messages: 830
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
I'm just trying to enjoy my time here left on planet Earth, before
either the zombies or the chimpanzees get us.

My money is on the chimps. They're already planning for judgement
day :

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090309121931.ht m



On Mar 11, 3:27 pm, mkt <tam...@oxy.edu> wrote:
> On Mar 11, 9:27 am, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "I am a 40 year old dude who eats constantly"
>
> > So now you're bragging out your eating skills? Come step to me in an
> > eating contest and we'll see if you're man enough to back this talk
> > up.
>
> What's your age though?  He's probably in the Grandmaster's Eating
> Contest.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15206 is a reply to message #15152] Wed, 11 March 2009 13:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
scpoulos
Messages: 225
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Mar 11, 3:50 am, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On Mar 11, 12:29 am, "scpou...@hotmail.com" <scpou...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 4:29 pm, Knappy <knappy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Poulos, if you read my other posts, you would see that I support using
> > > observers & expanding their role on the field. I hired (experienced)
> > > observers for mixed regionals when I TD'd the event. However, I also
> > > commented that observers were hit or miss the last few years at
> > > Nationals, to the point that my team (Amp) steered away from using
> > > them.
>
> > > Anyway, obviously, I hurt your feelings the other day when I teased
> > > you about having a stick up your ass. Hope you get over it soon. Also,
> > > tell Jared that I said congrats on being chosen for team USA, it's
> > > well deserved & Philly will take some credit for getting him where he
> > > is today.
>
> > well knappy you really got me. just yesterday, I was able to pull that
> > darn stick out of my ass!  you say something like that and think it
> > hurts my feelings? if you think i am so soft then lets match up
> > sometime on the field. that might be the best way for me to get over
> > the bruised ego. problem is you play coed. come play with the big boys
> > and see if you hurt my feelings with your weak-ass rhetoric. I guess
> > better to do it with your mouth than nothing at all, but at least you
> > can sound like a tough guy right?
>
> Do you really think you're impressing anyone with your macho talk?
> After your post, it is obvious you are very thin skinned and prefer to
> fight it out rather than reason and debate. This is a discussion board
> in case you haven't noticed. If you don't feel comfortable here, feel
> free to spend your time on the field. We won't miss you...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

my skin is pretty thick, especially with all the time i spend out in
the sun everyday. I wasn't trying to be macho, I just though it to be
pretty ridiculous for knappy to think he hurt my feelings by saying i
had a stick up my ass. i guess i gotta have a good comeback for that
one like we did in grade school. siedler i know this is a discussion
board and you seem to be missing my point about the need for refs/more
powerful observers at the higer levels of the game. I feel like I have
a pretty good idea about this stuff since i have been playing at that
level for awhile now and did so in other sports (particularly tennis
throughout my high school and college years). I am not advocating
fighting anything out, but do have a lot of confidence in my physical
capabilities in that regard. How am I not showing reason in my
debating the merits of a more powerful third party making the calls? i
mentioned nothing about Toad's rants on other subjects and am simply
making the case for refservers. I do appreciate you making a snide
comment wanting me to not post on rsd. With Toad gone, someone has to
make the case that ultimate could (with the right ideas being
implemented), just maybe become something bigger than it is right
now. I do feel pretty comfortable though writing here on rsd. i could
get used to just sitting on my ass all day and writing this stuff, but
gotta go make some money. siedler and knappy, feel free to contact me
if you guys want to learn how to get better at ultimate or better yet,
how to just be a little cooler in general.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15209 is a reply to message #15206] Wed, 11 March 2009 14:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Mar 11, 1:57 pm, "scpou...@hotmail.com" <scpou...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 11, 3:50 am, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 11, 12:29 am, "scpou...@hotmail.com" <scpou...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 10, 4:29 pm, Knappy <knappy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Poulos, if you read my other posts, you would see that I support using
> > > > observers & expanding their role on the field. I hired (experienced)
> > > > observers for mixed regionals when I TD'd the event. However, I also
> > > > commented that observers were hit or miss the last few years at
> > > > Nationals, to the point that my team (Amp) steered away from using
> > > > them.
>
> > > > Anyway, obviously, I hurt your feelings the other day when I teased
> > > > you about having a stick up your ass. Hope you get over it soon. Also,
> > > > tell Jared that I said congrats on being chosen for team USA, it's
> > > > well deserved & Philly will take some credit for getting him where he
> > > > is today.
>
> > > well knappy you really got me. just yesterday, I was able to pull that
> > > darn stick out of my ass!  you say something like that and think it
> > > hurts my feelings? if you think i am so soft then lets match up
> > > sometime on the field. that might be the best way for me to get over
> > > the bruised ego. problem is you play coed. come play with the big boys
> > > and see if you hurt my feelings with your weak-ass rhetoric. I guess
> > > better to do it with your mouth than nothing at all, but at least you
> > > can sound like a tough guy right?
>
> > Do you really think you're impressing anyone with your macho talk?
> > After your post, it is obvious you are very thin skinned and prefer to
> > fight it out rather than reason and debate. This is a discussion board
> > in case you haven't noticed. If you don't feel comfortable here, feel
> > free to spend your time on the field. We won't miss you...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> my skin is pretty thick, especially with all the time i spend out in
> the sun everyday. I wasn't trying to be macho, I just though it to be
> pretty ridiculous for knappy to think he hurt my feelings by saying i
> had a stick up my ass. i guess i gotta have a good comeback for that
> one like we did in grade school. siedler i know this is a discussion
> board and you seem to be missing my point about the need for refs/more
> powerful observers at the higer levels of the game. I feel like I have
> a pretty good idea about this stuff since i have been playing at that
> level for awhile now and did so in other sports (particularly tennis
> throughout my high school and college years).  I am not advocating
> fighting anything out, but do have a lot of confidence in my physical
> capabilities in that regard. How am I not showing reason in my
> debating the merits of a more powerful third party making the calls? i
> mentioned nothing about Toad's rants on other subjects and am simply
> making the case for refservers.  I do appreciate you making a snide
> comment wanting me to not post on rsd. With Toad gone, someone has to
> make the case that ultimate could (with the right ideas being
> implemented), just maybe become something bigger than it is right
> now.  I do feel pretty comfortable though writing here on rsd. i could
> get used to just sitting on my ass all day and writing this stuff, but
> gotta go make some money. siedler and knappy, feel free to contact me
> if you guys want to learn how to get better at ultimate or better yet,
> how to just be a little cooler in general.

The post I replied to was where you challenged Knappy to play Ultimate
because you were the big bad "open" guy and he was the pansy "mixed"
guy. That is macho crap. It has nothing to do with the thread topic,
and all to do with your damaged ego. Your comment means only this:
1. You probably know more about play in the open division.
2. He probably knows more about play in the mixed division.
3. Guys who played in open national and world championship finals
probably know more than you about play at the very pinnacle of the
open division.

And you know what? None of that has anything to do with the original
thread. If you want to follow Toad down the rant rat-hole, go right
ahead. If you want to add to everyone's understanding of the various
issues we like to discuss, than grow up (maybe even apologize), and
get back on track.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15210 is a reply to message #15209] Wed, 11 March 2009 14:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacob
Messages: 576
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
And use some paragraphs, dude.
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15217 is a reply to message #15209] Wed, 11 March 2009 16:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
scpoulos
Messages: 225
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Mar 11, 5:24 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On Mar 11, 1:57 pm, "scpou...@hotmail.com" <scpou...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 11, 3:50 am, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 11, 12:29 am, "scpou...@hotmail.com" <scpou...@hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 10, 4:29 pm, Knappy <knappy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Poulos, if you read my other posts, you would see that I support using
> > > > > observers & expanding their role on the field. I hired (experienced)
> > > > > observers for mixed regionals when I TD'd the event. However, I also
> > > > > commented that observers were hit or miss the last few years at
> > > > > Nationals, to the point that my team (Amp) steered away from using
> > > > > them.
>
> > > > > Anyway, obviously, I hurt your feelings the other day when I teased
> > > > > you about having a stick up your ass. Hope you get over it soon. Also,
> > > > > tell Jared that I said congrats on being chosen for team USA, it's
> > > > > well deserved & Philly will take some credit for getting him where he
> > > > > is today.
>
> > > > well knappy you really got me. just yesterday, I was able to pull that
> > > > darn stick out of my ass!  you say something like that and think it
> > > > hurts my feelings? if you think i am so soft then lets match up
> > > > sometime on the field. that might be the best way for me to get over
> > > > the bruised ego. problem is you play coed. come play with the big boys
> > > > and see if you hurt my feelings with your weak-ass rhetoric. I guess
> > > > better to do it with your mouth than nothing at all, but at least you
> > > > can sound like a tough guy right?
>
> > > Do you really think you're impressing anyone with your macho talk?
> > > After your post, it is obvious you are very thin skinned and prefer to
> > > fight it out rather than reason and debate. This is a discussion board
> > > in case you haven't noticed. If you don't feel comfortable here, feel
> > > free to spend your time on the field. We won't miss you...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > my skin is pretty thick, especially with all the time i spend out in
> > the sun everyday. I wasn't trying to be macho, I just though it to be
> > pretty ridiculous for knappy to think he hurt my feelings by saying i
> > had a stick up my ass. i guess i gotta have a good comeback for that
> > one like we did in grade school. siedler i know this is a discussion
> > board and you seem to be missing my point about the need for refs/more
> > powerful observers at the higer levels of the game. I feel like I have
> > a pretty good idea about this stuff since i have been playing at that
> > level for awhile now and did so in other sports (particularly tennis
> > throughout my high school and college years).  I am not advocating
> > fighting anything out, but do have a lot of confidence in my physical
> > capabilities in that regard. How am I not showing reason in my
> > debating the merits of a more powerful third party making the calls? i
> > mentioned nothing about Toad's rants on other subjects and am simply
> > making the case for refservers.  I do appreciate you making a snide
> > comment wanting me to not post on rsd. With Toad gone, someone has to
> > make the case that ultimate could (with the right ideas being
> > implemented), just maybe become something bigger than it is right
> > now.  I do feel pretty comfortable though writing here on rsd. i could
> > get used to just sitting on my ass all day and writing this stuff, but
> > gotta go make some money. siedler and knappy, feel free to contact me
> > if you guys want to learn how to get better at ultimate or better yet,
> > how to just be a little cooler in general.
>
> The post I replied to was where you challenged Knappy to play Ultimate
> because you were the big bad "open" guy and he was the pansy "mixed"
> guy. That is macho crap. It has nothing to do with the thread topic,
> and all to do with your damaged ego. Your comment means only this:
> 1. You probably know more about play in the open division.
> 2. He probably knows more about play in the mixed division.
> 3. Guys who played in open national and world championship finals
> probably know more than you about play at the very pinnacle of the
> open division.
>
> And you know what? None of that has anything to do with the original
> thread. If you want to follow Toad down the rant rat-hole, go right
> ahead. If you want to add to everyone's understanding of the various
> issues we like to discuss, than grow up (maybe even apologize), and
> get back on track.

what do you mean by get back on track? I have been talking about the
same thing the whole time. what is so hard to understand about my
opinion that refservers are good for the game at the most competitive
level? why do i need to apologize to knappy? I feel i am pretty grown
up, don't want to be too grown up though then you ain't having no fun
then. i am having so much fun ruffling your feathers though mr.
siedler. can't wait to see how you try to put me down again. come on
knappy, what you got for me?
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15219 is a reply to message #15210] Wed, 11 March 2009 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
scpoulos
Messages: 225
Registered: September 2008
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On Mar 11, 5:54 pm, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And use some paragraphs, dude.

takes too much time. not in school anymore. sorry dude
Re: Censorship, RSD, and Toad [message #15230 is a reply to message #15219] Wed, 11 March 2009 19:58 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Knappy
Messages: 830
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
"knappy, what you got for me?"

Seriously, what would ultimate be without the pansy mixed guy heckling
the aggro NC open guy on RSD?

Poulos, you complete me.



On Mar 11, 7:24 pm, "scpou...@hotmail.com" <scpou...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 11, 5:54 pm, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > And use some paragraphs, dude.
>
> takes too much time. not in school anymore. sorry dude
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