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Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53089] Tue, 23 February 2010 14:16 Go to next message
agerics20
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I hear that there were photos from Mardi Gras and the UOA 8s....and
the Mardi Gras site was way worse...

is that true?
is that the case?
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53092 is a reply to message #53089] Tue, 23 February 2010 14:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ted
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On Feb 23, 5:16 pm, Reggie Fanelli <ageric...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I hear that there were photos from Mardi Gras and the UOA 8s....and
> the Mardi Gras site was way worse...
>
> is that true?
> is that the case?

doesn't matter. their site didn't care, your's did.
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53096 is a reply to message #53092] Tue, 23 February 2010 14:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
throw
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exactly....

1. uoa screwed up in their own backyard.....

2. gerics comes out on national forum...spazzes out and blames the
wrong folks for the spanking the upa has handed him.

go figure...

Peter Mc
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53097 is a reply to message #53092] Tue, 23 February 2010 14:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Feb 23, 5:19 pm, Ted <theoskaa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 23, 5:16 pm, Reggie Fanelli <ageric...@yahoo.com> wrote:.

>
> > I hear that there were photos from Mardi Gras and the UOA 8s....and
> > the Mardi Gras site was way worse...
>
> > is that true?
> > is that the case?
>
> doesn't matter. their site didn't care, your's did.


i dont remember anything in that "policy" about concern expressed by
the field owners........i just remember a bucn of shit about saftey
and firld destruction. was there some kind of verbage pertaining to
the field owners concern.......or is it just a matter of basic logic
that a field owner WOULD PREFER THAT THEIR FIELDS WERENT TORN UP?

Maybe if the upa had of made it clear IN THE CONTRACT that they have
no juristiction over field damage and the like then new hanover county
parks dept would have never called them to complain. I'm pretty sure
they called the upa because they were under the impression that the
upa "insured" the event. which begs the question, what IS insured
under that upa policy?
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53099 is a reply to message #53092] Tue, 23 February 2010 14:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> > I hear that there were photos from Mardi Gras and the UOA 8s....and
> > the Mardi Gras site was way worse...
>
> > is that true?
> > is that the case?
>
> doesn't matter. their site didn't care, your's did.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---it does matter....doesn't it?
it's about the surface....not the caring?
right?
the UPA doesn't want to ruin the playing surfaces that are available.

i mean...i've seen fist fights in ultimate...that no one cared about.
and i've seen some foamy dry mouth spit cost an athlete a year of
playing......

how can the UPA care about one and not the other?
i know how....because the two 1 year suspensions were against ME!

they ONLY care about me.

crazy, huh?
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53101 is a reply to message #53097] Tue, 23 February 2010 14:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> Maybe if the upa had of made it clear IN THE CONTRACT that they have
> no juristiction over field damage and the like then new hanover county
> parks dept would have never called them to complain.  I'm pretty sure
> they called the upa because they were under the impression that the
> upa "insured" the event.  which begs the question, what IS insured
> under that upa policy?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


---i will NEVER be convinced that the county folks just up and called
the UPA.
nope...never.

that little weinie from GMU called to complain....and that set the UPA
in motion to contact the county.

never in a million years....could ANYone...convince me otherwise.

upa got one complaint....and they went overboard to clamp down the
UOA.
simple
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53103 is a reply to message #53099] Tue, 23 February 2010 14:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
throw
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still waiting to hear if mike fanelli gerics has ever canceled a
tourney due to foul weather....

You skipped that question last week mike


Peter Mc
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53110 is a reply to message #53103] Tue, 23 February 2010 16:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> still waiting to hear if mike fanelli gerics has ever canceled a
> tourney due to foul weather....
>
> You skipped that question last week mike
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---guess again.
better check.
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53111 is a reply to message #53089] Tue, 23 February 2010 16:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Douglas T Lilley
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On Feb 23, 5:16 pm, Reggie Fanelli <ageric...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I hear that there were photos from Mardi Gras and the UOA 8s....and
> the Mardi Gras site was way worse...
>
> is that true?
> is that the case?

Boy you are really going to get a lot of cooperation from the UPA if
you keep pulling this shit, I'm sure it strongly motivates them to
work with you. If you had the long term interests of the UOA in mind
(IMO) you would work to resolve your differences, not make the
situation deteriorate further by posting this stuff.
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53143 is a reply to message #53096] Wed, 24 February 2010 04:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> 1. uoa screwed up in their own backyard.....
>
> 2. gerics comes out on national forum...spazzes out and  blames the
> wrong folks for the spanking the upa has handed him.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---bzzt.
exactly....exactly wrong, on your part.

and....we've got a big back yard.
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53144 is a reply to message #53111] Wed, 24 February 2010 04:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> Boy you are really going to get a lot of cooperation from the UPA if
> you keep pulling this shit, I'm sure it strongly motivates them to
> work with you.  If you had the long term interests of the UOA in mind
> (IMO) you would work to resolve your differences, not make the
> situation deteriorate further by posting this stuff.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--why must our long term interests involve the UPA?
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53146 is a reply to message #53144] Wed, 24 February 2010 05:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jim
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On Feb 24, 7:53 am, Reggie Fanelli <ageric...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Boy you are really going to get a lot of cooperation from the UPA if
> > you keep pulling this shit, I'm sure it strongly motivates them to
> > work with you.  If you had the long term interests of the UOA in mind
> > (IMO) you would work to resolve your differences, not make the
> > situation deteriorate further by posting this stuff.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> --why must our long term interests involve the UPA?

Amen!
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53150 is a reply to message #53146] Wed, 24 February 2010 05:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rich Dana
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Mike and Ulticritic have a point. The policy is not "if the field
owners say you have to stop and you ignore them". The policy is
potential for damage to the fields.

Regarding Mike - the fields were open (unlocked) and the county did
not respond to Mike and Weddle's attempt(s?) to contact them on
Sunday. No official ever came to the fields and told Mike to stop
play. The complaint wasn't filed until Wednesday after the tournament.
Did Mike show questionable judgment regarding continued use of the
fields? Possibly - but according to Mike the fields are going to be
used for their area spring league so they'll be usable in what? 2
months? Without any work on them being done by the county between now
and then. Mike didn't disregard the field owner's mandate to stop
playing. In fact (according to Mike) all information (admittedly one
sided) points to 'assuming they could play' was a reasonable
conclusion on Sunday morning. Perhaps continued play Sunday midday or
Sunday afternoon was a bad idea but given the stories we have,
starting play was not an unreasonable decision (again unlocked fields
- which was different from Saturday A.M. - and no response from the
counties or information that county fields were closed despite
attempts to contact the county)

The difference is that without a complaint no one would know about
what happens at any given field at any given tournament that the UPA
doesn't have a representative at. Granted someone could take pictures
and post them on the web. Will the UPA suspend someone based on that?
Will the UPA then reach out to the field owners and tournament
organizers and teams present to determine what happened? Or will the
UPA pretend they don't know anything about it since they can't police
every single tournament through "pictures on the web". Or will the UPA
contact tournament organizers, field owners, and teams after every
tournament that is sanctioned to determine if the policies were
followed?

I suppose there is an argument to be made that if given explicit
permission to play, with full knowledge of the potential for damage,
and the owner on site who presumably retains the opportunity to change
their mind at any time during the day (such as in the case of Mardi
Gras) then (and only then) could perhaps the UPA policy be superseded.
So in that regard (and only that regard) the situation with UOAs and
Mardi Gras are not analogous. I made a mistake (out of ignorance of
the situation at Mardi Gras) when I asked about that situation in a
different thread. But again, the policy is not based on the the field
owner/manager's decision regarding the fields and if it is followed.
The policy is "Discretion must be used when determining whether or not
to continue with games in a situation that may be detrimental to the
care and condition of the fields. Situations such as these could
include, but are not limited to, participation during or after weather
such as rain or snow when fields may be saturated. The UPA encourages
the proper use of fields and recommends canceling events or games when
necessary to avoid the mistreatment or destruction of fields."

However the larger point is still "when does the policy apply and when
doesn't it?" How does the policy get triggered? Are there levels of
punishment? Or does the first offense with a complaint = suspension of
UPA Sanctioned Tournament Organization? What about if a UPA official
sees pictures of a tournament where the fields are damaged? Is the UPA
checking with field owners after tournaments to determine condition of
the fields? What if there is no complaints just stories of "man the
fields were trashed" or "I laid out and had mud from head to toe" on
RSD?

I won't go so far as to say I doubt the county complained directly to
the UPA. I also won't go so far as to say that continuing play was the
right thing to do. But it seems a lot of people are throwing Mike,
Weddle, and UOAs under the bus because of a reputation, their own
perception, and without all the information.

That's what disturbs me and it should be what disturbs you. The lack
of information about this situation and what seems to be a fairly
severe punishment for a first time (?) offense. Particularly from a
body (the UPA and the board) that is elected by the UPA members and
are (should be) accountable to the UPA members. Gerics, Weddles, the
county, and the teams involved have no obligation to explain anything
to us. The UPA does.
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53151 is a reply to message #53146] Wed, 24 February 2010 05:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> > > Boy you are really going to get a lot of cooperation from the UPA if
> > > you keep pulling this shit, I'm sure it strongly motivates them to
> > > work with you.  If you had the long term interests of the UOA in mind
> > > (IMO) you would work to resolve your differences, not make the
> > > situation deteriorate further by posting this stuff.
>
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> > --why must our long term interests involve the UPA?
>
> Amen!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


--i mean....we'd be MORE THAN HAPPY to work UPA events....because we
know we'd be their best observers.
they are more than welcome to include us in their college and club
series......they should.
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53152 is a reply to message #53150] Wed, 24 February 2010 05:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> starting play was not an unreasonable decision (again unlocked fields
> - which was different from Saturday A.M. -

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--i don't get this part.
the fields were unlocked Sun EARLIER than on sat, because SAT morning,
the gate unlocker DIDN'T realize we needed the gate opened early.
he knew we were going to be there....and came out EXTRA EARLY on
sunday to unlock the gate.
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53154 is a reply to message #53150] Wed, 24 February 2010 05:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> The difference is that without a complaint no one would know about
> what happens at any given field at any given tournament that the UPA
> doesn't have a representative at.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--yeah...thanks a lot George Mason Ultimate!
way to live up to that threat you delivered Sunday morning!
nice work guys.......

now....GMU...QUESTION YOUR CAPTAIN SOME MORE!!!!
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53155 is a reply to message #53150] Wed, 24 February 2010 06:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> I won't go so far as to say I doubt the county complained directly to
> the UPA. I also won't go so far as to say that continuing play was the
> right thing to do. But it seems a lot of people are throwing Mike,
> Weddle, and UOAs under the bus because of a reputation, their own
> perception, and without all the information.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---the county did not complain directly to the upa.
GMU did...just as they threatened.

throwing us under the bus because of a reputation???????????????
to begin with....our reputation is WONDERFUL!
ask those that have attended our events.
our product us AWESOME!!!!!
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53159 is a reply to message #53155] Wed, 24 February 2010 06:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
throw
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Rich D,

Nah...the governing body of ultimate didn't throw uoa mike "fanelli"
gerics under the bus.

Gerics was just instructed to sit on the curb for a year.

Have a good day on that end.

Later,
Peter Mc
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53166 is a reply to message #53159] Wed, 24 February 2010 06:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> Gerics was just instructed to sit on the curb for a year.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--they can't sit me.
we've got two more spring events.

the upa is crazy to not let our crew work their college series....but
if they don't, their loss.

we have plans for the summer.....and for the fall....and we're going
to keep rolling.
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53174 is a reply to message #53159] Wed, 24 February 2010 06:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rich Dana
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> Nah...the governing body of ultimate didn't throw uoa mike
"fanelli"
> gerics under the bus.

I didn't say that the UPA threw those guys and UOA under the
bus...what I said was "...but it seems a lot of people are throwing
Mike,
Weddle, and UOAs under the bus..." - meaning a lot of posters on RSD
(not necessarily the UPA) are immediately condemning them without a
lot of information but rather their own opinions of Mike based on what
they read on RSD or what they have heard from someone else.
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53175 is a reply to message #53174] Wed, 24 February 2010 06:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
throw
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Rich D. ...roger that.

My error there.

later,
Peter Mc
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53207 is a reply to message #53159] Wed, 24 February 2010 10:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
scpoulos14
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"Have a good day on that end." really man, what does that do for you saying things like that? just comes off as a punk kid saying some snarky comeback in an argument in middle school. so lame.
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53210 is a reply to message #53207] Wed, 24 February 2010 11:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
throw
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Stephen...

Not sure what to say.

You read it wronggood day on that end" wasn't to be read as anything
other than what is. A closing greeting to a e-mail. Nothing snarky
implied.

I've since swapped e-mails with Rich D, the guy it was a addressed
to.

He used to play ultimate here in the town I live.

ummmm.....But you have a good afternoon on that end Stephen.

Later,
Peter Mc
MDSC
Columbia, MO
Re: Mardi Gras fields v UOA 8s fields??????? [message #53223 is a reply to message #53210] Wed, 24 February 2010 13:32 Go to previous message
josh[1]
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On Feb 24, 2:16 pm, Throw <i...@ThisIsUltimate.com> wrote:
> Stephen...
>
> Not sure what to say.
>
> You read it wronggood day on that end" wasn't to be read as anything
> other than what is. A closing greeting to a e-mail. Nothing snarky
> implied.
>
> I've since swapped e-mails with Rich D, the guy it was a addressed
> to.
>
> He used to play ultimate here in the town I live.
>
> ummmm.....But you have a good afternoon on that end Stephen.
>
> Later,
> Peter Mc
> MDSC
> Columbia, MO

Wow, that's just pure jackassery! Way to prove Stephen's point for
him!
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