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Outrage over TiV [message #51968] Mon, 08 February 2010 16:58 Go to next message
Matt Sheehan
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I've been surprised by the total lack of outrage at the way Cultimate handled Trouble in Vegas this weekend. I've seen some "what could cultimate do about the weather?" posts and this attitude baffles me.
Cultimate organized a tournament and courted teams from across the country, telling them that they would have three full days of high-level ultimate in Vegas. They did this knowing that the rain had caused them to incur large fees last year, and that it was entirely possible that the fields would be closed in the event of rain.
How could they NOT have a back up plan for rain? How could they NOT be prepared to refund tournament fees in case of cancellation?

At the captains meeting to announce the cancellation of the tournament (and the creation of a photo scavenger hunt. Yea!) there was hardly a word of protest.
Am I the only one who finds this to be completely unacceptable behavior by Cultimate? Will people really continue to travel long distances for cultimate tournaments?

I'd like to hear your thoughts.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #51979 is a reply to message #51968] Mon, 08 February 2010 18:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kate
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Registered: October 2008
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The lack of planning was extremely frustrating for our team as well. I'm not sure if cultimate would have been able to reserve turf fields, but we would have been happy to spend an extra $5/person to cover turf if it meant we were guaranteed some ultimate.

More frustrating than that was the lack of organization on a broader level. First, the general time frame for getting pre-tournament paperwork in could have been a lot better. Second, the communication about rain delays should have been more timely. They told us they would update us between noon and one, we get an 'update' at 3 that says we'll get a real update at 4. At 4:50, we get an 'update' that tells us about a captains meeting. We spent 6 hrs waiting, when it should have been 3 at the most. Yes, this is a big tournament, and communicating with that many teams could be difficult. Even so, this is something cultimate should have anticipated.

There were lots of other little issues that could have and should have been avoided as well. If this was a tournament run by a college team, we wouldn't have been so disappointed. However, we had higher expectations for a company that profits from running tournaments.

Re: Outrage over TiV [message #51988 is a reply to message #51979] Mon, 08 February 2010 21:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
willjgriffin
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Registered: May 2009
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Cultimate is bad for college ultimate. They almost ruined it last
year, and now they are down right stealing.

Everyone go to Pres Day next year.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #51989 is a reply to message #51968] Mon, 08 February 2010 21:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
durangogen
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I have been annoyed with minor details at other cultimate tournaments, but this is over the top. Despite the promise of texted updates at specific times, we never received a call or text. We had to rely on rumors from other teams or information passed on from our men's team. We checked the website for updates, kept checking our email accounts-nothing. I understand that the weather is out of their control, but communicating is their responsibility. I understand there are many teams and the logistics are complicated but they are getting paid to do it.

To top this, several women's teams took the initiative to find fields and scrimmage on Sunday (the weather was gorgeous....guess cultimate couldn't get it together to organize any games themselves). Props to Colorado College for organizing this, and also for contacting the UPA to try to get these games sanctioned and therefore count toward the college series. Apparently cultimate is not cooperating so no, these won't count. How they have any say in this baffles me but I admittedly do not know the process to have an event sanctioned in these unusual circumstances.

I sincerely hope cultimate is seriously considering refunding all overage, but from what I gather they are not even entertaining the idea. This is not a business, this is a joke. And a racket. The slogan "sucking less" is not holding true, fellas.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #51990 is a reply to message #51968] Mon, 08 February 2010 21:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chart589
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On Feb 8, 9:04 pm, Matt Sheehan <mattsheeha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been surprised by the total lack of outrage at the way
> Cultimate handled Trouble in Vegas this weekend. I've seen
> some  "what could cultimate do about the weather?" posts and
> this attitude baffles me.
> Cultimate organized a tournament and courted teams from
> across the country, telling them that they would have three
> full days of high-level ultimate in Vegas. They did this
> knowing that the rain had caused them to incur large fees
> last year, and that it was entirely possible that the fields
> would be closed in the event of rain.
> How could they NOT have a back up plan for rain? How could
> they NOT be prepared to refund tournament fees in case of
> cancellation?
>
> At the captains meeting to announce the cancellation of the
> tournament (and the creation of a photo scavenger hunt.
> Yea!) there was hardly a word of protest.
> Am I the only one who finds this to be completely
> unacceptable behavior by Cultimate? Will people really
> continue to travel long distances for cultimate
> tournaments?
>
> I'd like to hear your thoughts.
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com

That's why you travel long distances to go to Mardi Gras... if it gets
rained out, at least you still get to party... even if it is in the
rain, which happened last year, still awesome
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #51996 is a reply to message #51990] Mon, 08 February 2010 22:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tyler c
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I don't mean to hijack this thread, but did anyone get their Vegas
pint glasses?
The Cultimate folks kindly told us that someone on our team picked
them up,
and surprisingly enough, no one had!
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52012 is a reply to message #51968] Tue, 09 February 2010 04:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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On Feb 8, 9:04 pm, Matt Sheehan <mattsheeha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been surprised by the total lack of outrage at the way
> Cultimate handled Trouble in Vegas this weekend. I've seen
> some  "what could cultimate do about the weather?" posts and
> this attitude baffles me.
> Cultimate organized a tournament and courted teams from
> across the country, telling them that they would have three
> full days of high-level ultimate in Vegas. They did this
> knowing that the rain had caused them to incur large fees
> last year, and that it was entirely possible that the fields
> would be closed in the event of rain.
> How could they NOT have a back up plan for rain? How could
> they NOT be prepared to refund tournament fees in case of
> cancellation?
>
> At the captains meeting to announce the cancellation of the
> tournament (and the creation of a photo scavenger hunt.
> Yea!) there was hardly a word of protest.
> Am I the only one who finds this to be completely
> unacceptable behavior by Cultimate? Will people really
> continue to travel long distances for cultimate
> tournaments?
>
> I'd like to hear your thoughts.
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--hold on.
what?

seriously....
did trouble in vegas's college edition take place this weekend or not?

it was announced at the captains meeting that the 3 day 163 team event
was cancelled?
is that true.
do i have to keep reading?
damn
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52013 is a reply to message #51979] Tue, 09 February 2010 04:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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Yes, this is a big tournament, and
> communicating with that many teams could be difficult.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---there's a "reply to all" button on my computer.

did the event happen?
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52014 is a reply to message #51979] Tue, 09 February 2010 04:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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Registered: October 2008
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> There were lots of other little issues that could have and
> should have been avoided as well. If this was a tournament
> run by a college team, we wouldn't have been so
> disappointed. However, we had higher expectations for a
> company that profits from running tournaments.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---did the tournament happen?
did 163 teams get to go and play 6 games over 3 days?
was there plenty of profit?
how many days of the event happened?
what was the format?
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52015 is a reply to message #51989] Tue, 09 February 2010 05:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> I sincerely hope cultimate is seriously considering
> refunding all overage, but from what I gather they are not
> even entertaining the idea.  This is not a business, this is
> a joke.  And a racket.  The slogan "sucking less" is not
> holding true, fellas.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---hey.....three years and still going strong!
nice work cultimate.

THIS year's Trouble in Vegas will DEFINATELY attract more teams to
attend next year.
i don't know how....but i am sure more will sign on next year.
crazy.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52033 is a reply to message #52012] Tue, 09 February 2010 07:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
seanc
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On Feb 9, 4:56 am, Reggie Fanelli <ageric...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 9:04 pm, Matt Sheehan <mattsheeha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I've been surprised by the total lack of outrage at the way
> > Cultimate handled Trouble in Vegas this weekend. I've seen
> > some  "what could cultimate do about the weather?" posts and
> > this attitude baffles me.
> > Cultimate organized a tournament and courted teams from
> > across the country, telling them that they would have three
> > full days of high-level ultimate in Vegas. They did this
> > knowing that the rain had caused them to incur large fees
> > last year, and that it was entirely possible that the fields
> > would be closed in the event of rain.
> > How could they NOT have a back up plan for rain? How could
> > they NOT be prepared to refund tournament fees in case of
> > cancellation?
>
> > At the captains meeting to announce the cancellation of the
> > tournament (and the creation of a photo scavenger hunt.
> > Yea!) there was hardly a word of protest.
> > Am I the only one who finds this to be completely
> > unacceptable behavior by Cultimate? Will people really
> > continue to travel long distances for cultimate
> > tournaments?
>
> > I'd like to hear your thoughts.
> > --
> > Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> --hold on.
> what?
>
> seriously....
> did trouble in vegas's college edition take place this weekend or not?
>
> it was announced at the captains meeting that the 3 day 163 team event
> was cancelled?
> is that true.
> do i have to keep reading?
> damn

mike,

friday's games took place. sat and sun were cancelled.

sean
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52034 is a reply to message #52033] Tue, 09 February 2010 07:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sforrest
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I think our team's lack of outrage stems from the fact that we got 3 days out in Vegas largely on the school's dime. That being said, I'm looking forward to staying east for the rest of the spring and participating in tournaments run by some good TD's.

-Scott, Virginia Tech

..never got those pint glasses either
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52044 is a reply to message #51968] Tue, 09 February 2010 09:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tooth
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Rollcall last year was basically rained out, my team got two games in,
and I'm pretty sure no refunds were given out although they mentioned
it as a possibility I believe.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52046 is a reply to message #52044] Tue, 09 February 2010 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tooth
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On Feb 9, 12:58 pm, Tooth <dferr...@buffalo.edu> wrote:
> Rollcall last year was basically rained out, my team got two games in,
> and I'm pretty sure no refunds were given out although they mentioned
> it as a possibility I believe.

Its been brought to my attention that we got a discount for any
cultimate tournament for this season because of Rollcall last year,
which seems like a fair way to handle it.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52059 is a reply to message #52046] Tue, 09 February 2010 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colsanders
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I think communication was the biggest problem. We never heard anything directly from any type of TD. Had it not been for our men's team we would not have known anything, and they were just going off of rumors as well. Nor were our captains ever contacted about the captains meeting. We literally wasted an entire day just waiting from one hour to the next on what the deal was. At this point I cant belive Cultimate actually consideres themselves a legitimate company. How can you ***k up running a tournament so terribly when this is what they do basically every weekend of the year? I totally understnad they they cant do anything about the weather, but we didnt pay $350+, travel 12 hrs (and thats definitely not the worst of all the teams) to sit on our butts in a hotel room in Vegas. We should get refunds purely for the fact that Cultimate doesnt deserve to get paid for doing crap. One day of play = 2/3 refund. Its only right.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52060 is a reply to message #52046] Tue, 09 February 2010 13:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mimmo
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Registered: September 2008
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The only way to have any change over CUltimate's practices is to not go to their tournaments.

They have prudently locked up Vegas(their own creation), Stanford, and Centex. The three major tournaments in College Open Ultimate. Centex in the womens division has gone their own route and run great tournament (i've heard) that's largely due to the work of Michelle Ng.

The top tier teams go to Centex, Stanford, and Vegas...and everybody wants to beat the best teams. So, if you are fed up with CUltimate host a tournament and convince the best teams to go. Or as suggested, convince everybody to go Pres Day, Mardi Gras etc. Whining about the way things are unaccompanied by action is a favored pastime in Ultimate though, so I don't see a lot of change in the future.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52064 is a reply to message #52060] Tue, 09 February 2010 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mimmo
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I'll add Queen's City to this list...Vegas has taken a large amount of talent from both QCTU and Pres. Day...
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52094 is a reply to message #52059] Tue, 09 February 2010 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kevinpstout
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Registered: February 2009
Junior Member
"...to sit on our butts in a hotel room in Vegas."

Shame on your Cultimate for making this team sit on their butts in a
hotel room. For $350.00 you should make sure each participant is
entertained the entire weekend.

How dare you not plan for a bunch of whiny college kids whose parents
paid for them to go to private school and expect to be spoiled like
they have the previous 18 + years of their lives!! (I apologize to the
very small minority of non-rich kids who pay for their own educations
and happen to play ultimate).

Come on you whiny little bitches...the weather sucked. Cultimate
routinely puts on better tournaments than a bunch of college kids
can. If you spent as much time making the best of the situation as
you did complaining you may have actually enjoyed yourself.

In a couple years you will need to be big boys and girls in the real
world where you will be shit on more often than not. Consider this a
good life lesson!

-Grumpy old man at work, wishing my ruined weekend involved being in
Vegas with thousands of other college kids.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52097 is a reply to message #52094] Tue, 09 February 2010 15:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ultimatephotography
Messages: 422
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
well, in this the modern world,
i think that we can improve
communication across the board...

gone should be the days of
not being updated, or not
knowing when you play the
next day because the TDs
are still figuring it out.

i.e. just tweet the updates.
or tweet not knowing yet
at a regular interval -
it takes what, 30 seconds?

it's not that hard. that
goes for you, _ALL_ tournaments.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52098 is a reply to message #52094] Tue, 09 February 2010 16:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
Messages: 8115
Registered: October 2008
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On Feb 9, 6:06 pm, Kevin <kevinpst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "...to sit on our butts in a hotel room in Vegas."
>
> Shame on your Cultimate for making this team sit on their butts in a
> hotel room.  For $350.00 you should make sure each participant is
> entertained the entire weekend.
>
> How dare you not plan for a bunch of whiny college kids whose parents
> paid for them to go to private school and expect to be spoiled like
> they have the previous 18 + years of their lives!! (I apologize to the
> very small minority of non-rich kids who pay for their own educations
> and happen to play ultimate).
>
> Come on you whiny little bitches...the weather sucked.  Cultimate
> routinely puts on better tournaments than a bunch of college kids
> can.  If you spent as much time making the best of the situation as
> you did complaining you may have actually enjoyed yourself.
>
> In a couple years you will need to be big boys and girls in the real
> world where you will be shit on more often than not.  Consider this a
> good life lesson!
>
> -Grumpy old man at work, wishing my ruined weekend involved being in
> Vegas with thousands of other college kids.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


---my team would have gone to play ultimate.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52119 is a reply to message #52097] Tue, 09 February 2010 18:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
durangogen
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Registered: February 2010
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You certainly are a grumpy old man. I'd consider adding bitter, also. We weren't asking to be entertained, in fact cultimate spent their newly found free time creating a scavenger hunt on the strip when I believe they should have been spending that time finding fields for games on Sunday, so I'd say they had that piece of it covered. The weather did not suck on Sunday, it was gorgeous, and even Saturday afternoon was not bad. We went to play frisbee, I could care less about the "fun stuff". I am also not a college student, I am a coach who has played in numerous tournaments (and run some) including some with weather delays that were handled in the best way possible. I'm truly amazed at the consistent lack of organization and attention to detail that I've seen with cultimate. I do my day job well, I coach the best I can, I even take volunteer work seriously-I expect more from people who are paid to run events. And my mom and dad didn't pay a cent for my undergrad or grad education, nor did many of the parents of the ladies I coach.

Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52121 is a reply to message #52098] Tue, 09 February 2010 18:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
greg[1]
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Registered: May 2009
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Huckleberry Hat is BY FAR the best tournament i have ever been to
including Trouble, Log Jam, Solstice and many other great
tournaments. Those boys in Pullman, WA really know how to run a
tournament. Best kept secret in the NW
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52122 is a reply to message #52060] Tue, 09 February 2010 18:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
durangogen
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Registered: February 2010
Junior Member
Mimmo-agreed with complaining and taking no action. I directly sent cultimate my feedback for Vegas, not that I'm expecting much from that. I took a few years off to deal with knee issues and just started coaching this year, so cultimate was a new phenomenon for me. I'm less and less impressed with every experience and probably will steer my team to other tournaments next year.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52126 is a reply to message #52119] Tue, 09 February 2010 20:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gabers20
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Registered: September 2008
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Jon Ladd is still the best tourney director of all time. Enough said.

Ask Bil, he fought off lightning.

Gabe

On Feb 9, 6:57 pm, Genevieve <gencstev...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You certainly are a grumpy old man.  I'd consider adding
> bitter, also.  We weren't asking to be entertained, in fact
> cultimate spent their newly found free time creating a
> scavenger hunt on the strip when I believe they should have
> been spending that time finding fields for games on Sunday,
> so I'd say they had that piece of it covered.  The weather
> did not suck on Sunday, it was gorgeous, and even Saturday
> afternoon was not bad.  We went to play frisbee, I could
> care less about the "fun stuff".  I am also not a college
> student, I am a coach who has played in numerous tournaments
> (and run some) including some with weather delays that were
> handled in the best way possible.  I'm truly amazed at the
> consistent lack of organization and attention to detail that
> I've seen with cultimate.  I do my day job well, I coach the
> best I can, I even take volunteer work seriously-I expect
> more from people who are paid to run events.  And my mom and
> dad didn't pay a cent for my undergrad or grad education,
> nor did many of the parents of the ladies I coach.
>
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52133 is a reply to message #52126] Wed, 10 February 2010 01:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kazan
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Registered: September 2008
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As for old man-stylin'....

In my day, the biggest/best tournaments were

Easterns
QCTU
Terminus
Yale Cup (Wow, I am old. But seriously, Yale is freakin' close to
tons of good teams in the NE/ME/AC. No reason that couldn't happen
again.)

Mardi Gras
Centex
Stanford Invite
Santa Barbara Invite
UCSD Pres Day

All 9 of those tournies still exist. Only 2 are cultimate, 7 are
not. They are all over the country. Plenty easy to go to
megatournaments, as well as -gasp- smaller, 8- to 12-team tournies
like used to be the norm, and still get great games and have a great
time.

For a lot less $.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52149 is a reply to message #52133] Wed, 10 February 2010 07:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
spacejb
Messages: 50
Registered: October 2008
Member
On Feb 10, 2:49 am, Eric Brach <eric.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As for old man-stylin'....
>
> In my day, the biggest/best tournaments were
>
> Easterns
> QCTU
> Terminus
> Yale Cup (Wow, I am old.  But seriously, Yale is freakin' close to
> tons of good teams in the NE/ME/AC.  No reason that couldn't happen
> again.)
>
> Mardi Gras
> Centex
> Stanford Invite
> Santa Barbara Invite
> UCSD Pres Day
>
> All 9 of those tournies still exist.  Only 2 are cultimate, 7 are
> not.  They are all over the country.  Plenty easy to go to
> megatournaments, as well as -gasp- smaller, 8- to 12-team tournies
> like used to be the norm, and still get great games and have a great
> time.
>
> For a lot less $.

New Year Fest is another well run, well timed tourney.
JB
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52152 is a reply to message #52126] Wed, 10 February 2010 07:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
fiftythree
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gabers20 wrote on Tue, 09 February 2010 21:16
Jon Ladd is still the best tourney director of all time. Enough said.

> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com


Aaah except if you count how he f'd up Big Sky Mixed Sectionals last year as the (remote) RC by altering our tournament format Saturday night, creating an unfair path for bids to Regionals. Our team took the brunt of it.

Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52157 is a reply to message #52094] Wed, 10 February 2010 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
moremailforscott
Messages: 115
Registered: October 2008
Senior Member
you work? someone pays you to do something? do you do what you're
being paid to do? if not, would the person paying you be a "whiny
little bitch" for being upset about that? pretty clear here that the
only little bitch on this thread is yourself!

On Feb 9, 3:06 pm, Kevin <kevinpst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "...to sit on our butts in a hotel room in Vegas."
>
> Shame on your Cultimate for making this team sit on their butts in a
> hotel room.  For $350.00 you should make sure each participant is
> entertained the entire weekend.
>
> How dare you not plan for a bunch of whiny college kids whose parents
> paid for them to go to private school and expect to be spoiled like
> they have the previous 18 + years of their lives!! (I apologize to the
> very small minority of non-rich kids who pay for their own educations
> and happen to play ultimate).
>
> Come on you whiny little bitches...the weather sucked.  Cultimate
> routinely puts on better tournaments than a bunch of college kids
> can.  If you spent as much time making the best of the situation as
> you did complaining you may have actually enjoyed yourself.
>
> In a couple years you will need to be big boys and girls in the real
> world where you will be shit on more often than not.  Consider this a
> good life lesson!
>
> -Grumpy old man at work, wishing my ruined weekend involved being in
> Vegas with thousands of other college kids.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52165 is a reply to message #52133] Wed, 10 February 2010 11:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chart589
Messages: 91
Registered: November 2009
Location: chuckteezy
Member
On Feb 10, 4:49 am, Eric Brach <eric.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As for old man-stylin'....
>
> In my day, the biggest/best tournaments were
>
> Easterns
> QCTU
> Terminus
> Yale Cup (Wow, I am old.  But seriously, Yale is freakin' close to
> tons of good teams in the NE/ME/AC.  No reason that couldn't happen
> again.)
>
> Mardi Gras
> Centex
> Stanford Invite
> Santa Barbara Invite
> UCSD Pres Day
>
> All 9 of those tournies still exist.  Only 2 are cultimate, 7 are
> not.  They are all over the country.  Plenty easy to go to
> megatournaments, as well as -gasp- smaller, 8- to 12-team tournies
> like used to be the norm, and still get great games and have a great
> time.
>
> For a lot less $.

Southerns is epic... we'll have to see how it goes from here on out
now, though
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52177 is a reply to message #52119] Wed, 10 February 2010 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim Mallon
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Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 9, 6:57 pm, Genevieve <gencstev...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> cultimate spent their newly found free time creating a
> scavenger hunt on the strip

A scavenger hunt? Really? That was the back-up plan?
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52181 is a reply to message #52177] Wed, 10 February 2010 16:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
canis216
Messages: 84
Registered: January 2010
Location: The Four Corners
Member
I hear that Cultimate did scramble about and try to find substitute fields, but were unsuccessful. Which is hardly surprising. The other large field complexes that I know of in Las Vegas have the same shitty turf that one finds on the Silverbowl fields. There are smaller fields dotting the city with adequate turf to deal with the rain, but these are sufficiently small that that one would need to set up a sort of mini-tournament at each site--send a couple of pools here, another pool there, etc.--that would have been its own scavenger hunt, in a sense. Even then I'm sure they would have had to make substantial changes to the format, probably screwing the non-elite teams in the process.

The essential problem is that Las Vegas, if it rains, cannot sustain a tournament nearly as large as TiV. Hell, club TiV had half the field of college, but the back-up plan still lead to my team only getting 4 games on one day. If it rains, Vegas just doesn't work.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52182 is a reply to message #52181] Wed, 10 February 2010 16:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
canis216
Messages: 84
Registered: January 2010
Location: The Four Corners
Member
Since we've all been criticizing Cu1timate here, I thought it was only fair to re-print this e-mail I just got from the Cu1timate team, about refunds for Club TiV. I don't know what will happen with College, and there's certainly reason to be critical of them, but let's try to be fair.

-----------------

All-

Refunds have been processed ($5/player) in Google, from the original team deposit. This typically takes 3-5 business days to go from google to your account.

Additionally, rain got the best of College TiV also and we are literally swamped. In order to receive further refunds (the additional $15/player for those who chose not to attend), please respond to this e-mail with your team name and the number of players who did not come. This is obviously information you have all provided before, but this will speed the process along greatly.

Again, we are disappointed about Las Vegas turning into Seattle, and hope for everyone's sake across the country that the weather goes back to a bit more normalcy soon.

The Cu1timate Team
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52789 is a reply to message #52182] Fri, 19 February 2010 14:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Diesel
Messages: 15
Registered: November 2008
Junior Member
Has any of this outrage over TiV caused teams to drop from Stanford
Invite, PLU BBQ, Men's Centex, Roll Call, or Huck Finn? It seems
obvious that Cultimate isn't going to change anything until teams stop
supporting them financially.

-Diesel

On Feb 10, 4:30 pm, Mike L <canis...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Since we've all been criticizing Cu1timate here, I thought
> it was only fair to re-print this e-mail I just got from the
> Cu1timate team, about refunds for Club TiV. I don't know
> what will happen with College, and there's certainly reason
> to be critical of them, but let's try to be fair.
>
> -----------------
>
> All-
>
> Refunds have been processed ($5/player) in Google, from the
> original team deposit. This typically takes 3-5 business
> days to go from google to your account.
>
> Additionally, rain got the best of College TiV also and we
> are literally swamped. In order to receive further refunds
> (the additional $15/player for those who chose not to
> attend), please respond to this e-mail with your team name
> and the number of players who did not come. This is
> obviously information you have all provided before, but this
> will speed the process along greatly.
>
> Again, we are disappointed about Las Vegas turning into
> Seattle, and hope for everyone's sake across the country
> that the weather goes back to a bit more normalcy soon.
>
> The Cu1timate Team
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52813 is a reply to message #52789] Fri, 19 February 2010 21:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
carthrasher
Messages: 33
Registered: September 2008
Member
On Feb 19, 3:49 pm, Diesel <mikew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has any of this outrage over TiV caused teams to drop from Stanford
> Invite, PLU BBQ, Men's Centex, Roll Call, or Huck Finn? It seems
> obvious that Cultimate isn't going to change anything until teams stop
> supporting them financially.
>
> -Diesel
>
> On Feb 10, 4:30 pm, Mike L <canis...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Since we've all been criticizing Cu1timate here, I thought
> > it was only fair to re-print this e-mail I just got from the
> > Cu1timate team, about refunds for Club TiV. I don't know
> > what will happen with College, and there's certainly reason
> > to be critical of them, but let's try to be fair.
>
> > -----------------
>
> > All-
>
> > Refunds have been processed ($5/player) in Google, from the
> > original team deposit. This typically takes 3-5 business
> > days to go from google to your account.
>
> > Additionally, rain got the best of College TiV also and we
> > are literally swamped. In order to receive further refunds
> > (the additional $15/player for those who chose not to
> > attend), please respond to this e-mail with your team name
> > and the number of players who did not come. This is
> > obviously information you have all provided before, but this
> > will speed the process along greatly.
>
> > Again, we are disappointed about Las Vegas turning into
> > Seattle, and hope for everyone's sake across the country
> > that the weather goes back to a bit more normalcy soon.
>
> > The Cu1timate Team
> > --
> > Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com

Like I said, suckers.

JB
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52815 is a reply to message #52789] Fri, 19 February 2010 23:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Fish
Messages: 46
Registered: September 2008
Member
i think the change has to come from organizing or sponsoring teams,
not participating teams.

let's take the PLU BBQ, for example. this is a tournament that our
team has attended for at least the last seven years. we are going to
it again because we enjoy the tournament, the location, and the
atmosphere. i was surprised to hear that cultimate had taken over
direction of the tournament this year.

because of the upa's requirements for teams to play in a certain
number of games to be eligible for the series, we simply have to play
certain tournaments. we can't sit out of something like the BBQ this
year because we need those games for eligibility purposes.

we have decided to boycott Vegas and Stanford due to their affiliation
with cultimate, and we rejected an offer of theirs to organize a new
tournament this year, but we can only decline to participate in so
many games--we need to play frisbee.

i would hope that teams like Stanford, PLU, Texas, etc. would take the
initiative to run their own tournaments in the future. Stanford,
Centex, and the BBQ were better tournaments before cultimate came
along. telling cultimate that their services are not required for
initiating a tournament would send the message that we don't need them
in this sport, and it would allow the same tournaments to be run every
year under the traditions that have been so successful in the past.

fish

On Feb 19, 2:49 pm, Diesel <mikew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has any of this outrage over TiV caused teams to drop from Stanford
> Invite, PLU BBQ, Men's Centex, Roll Call, or Huck Finn? It seems
> obvious that Cultimate isn't going to change anything until teams stop
> supporting them financially.
>
> -Diesel
>
> On Feb 10, 4:30 pm, Mike L <canis...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Since we've all been criticizing Cu1timate here, I thought
> > it was only fair to re-print this e-mail I just got from the
> > Cu1timate team, about refunds for Club TiV. I don't know
> > what will happen with College, and there's certainly reason
> > to be critical of them, but let's try to be fair.
>
> > -----------------
>
> > All-
>
> > Refunds have been processed ($5/player) in Google, from the
> > original team deposit. This typically takes 3-5 business
> > days to go from google to your account.
>
> > Additionally, rain got the best of College TiV also and we
> > are literally swamped. In order to receive further refunds
> > (the additional $15/player for those who chose not to
> > attend), please respond to this e-mail with your team name
> > and the number of players who did not come. This is
> > obviously information you have all provided before, but this
> > will speed the process along greatly.
>
> > Again, we are disappointed about Las Vegas turning into
> > Seattle, and hope for everyone's sake across the country
> > that the weather goes back to a bit more normalcy soon.
>
> > The Cu1timate Team
> > --
> > Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52892 is a reply to message #52815] Sat, 20 February 2010 19:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Getty
Messages: 13
Registered: October 2008
Junior Member
Go to Mardi Gras. You get games. You get fed. You get beads with a
view. You can drink and live to excess if that's your wish. With the
move back to the soccer complex next year y'all would be missing out
on a great experience if you don't go. It's a homegrown tournament
run by the local organization with no outside influences. GO TO MARDI
GRAS!!

-- Getty



On Feb 19, 11:13�pm, Fish <ultimatef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i think the change has to come from organizing or sponsoring teams,
> not participating teams.
>
> let's take the PLU BBQ, for example. this is a tournament that our
> team has attended for at least the last seven years. we are going to
> it again because we enjoy the tournament, the location, and the
> atmosphere. i was surprised to hear that cultimate had taken over
> direction of the tournament this year.
>
> because of the upa's requirements for teams to play in a certain
> number of games to be eligible for the series, we simply have to play
> certain tournaments. we can't sit out of something like the BBQ this
> year because we need those games for eligibility purposes.
>
> we have decided to boycott Vegas and Stanford due to their affiliation
> with cultimate, and we rejected an offer of theirs to organize a new
> tournament this year, but we can only decline to participate in so
> many games--we need to play frisbee.
>
> i would hope that teams like Stanford, PLU, Texas, etc. would take the
> initiative to run their own tournaments in the future. Stanford,
> Centex, and the BBQ were better tournaments before cultimate came
> along. telling cultimate that their services are not required for
> initiating a tournament would send the message that we don't need them
> in this sport, and it would allow the same tournaments to be run every
> year under the traditions that have been so successful in the past.
>
> fish
>
> On Feb 19, 2:49�pm, Diesel <mikew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Has any of this outrage over TiV caused teams to drop from Stanford
> > Invite, PLU BBQ, Men's Centex, Roll Call, or Huck Finn? It seems
> > obvious that Cultimate isn't going to change anything until teams stop
> > supporting them financially.
>
> > -Diesel
>
> > On Feb 10, 4:30�pm, Mike L <canis...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Since we've all been criticizing Cu1timate here, I thought
> > > it was only fair to re-print this e-mail I just got from the
> > > Cu1timate team, about refunds for Club TiV. I don't know
> > > what will happen with College, and there's certainly reason
> > > to be critical of them, but let's try to be fair.
>
> > > -----------------
>
> > > All-
>
> > > Refunds have been processed ($5/player) in Google, from the
> > > original team deposit. This typically takes 3-5 business
> > > days to go from google to your account.
>
> > > Additionally, rain got the best of College TiV also and we
> > > are literally swamped. In order to receive further refunds
> > > (the additional $15/player for those who chose not to
> > > attend), please respond to this e-mail with your team name
> > > and the number of players who did not come. This is
> > > obviously information you have all provided before, but this
> > > will speed the process along greatly.
>
> > > Again, we are disappointed about Las Vegas turning into
> > > Seattle, and hope for everyone's sake across the country
> > > that the weather goes back to a bit more normalcy soon.
>
> > > The Cu1timate Team
> > > --
> > > Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52922 is a reply to message #52892] Sun, 21 February 2010 11:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Duchamanos
Messages: 52
Registered: September 2008
Member
No one has posted a positive review of a Cultimate tournament in at
least 3 years. I'm not saying that you're an idiot for still going to
cultimate tournaments, but you're an idiot.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52924 is a reply to message #52922] Sun, 21 February 2010 12:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rhbigley
Messages: 26
Registered: December 2008
Junior Member
On Feb 21, 1:09 pm, Duchamanos <justhib...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> No one has posted a positive review of a Cultimate tournament in at
> least 3 years.  I'm not saying that you're an idiot for still going to
> cultimate tournaments, but you're an idiot.

I posted a good review of Border Brawl this fall, just sayin brad.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52946 is a reply to message #52924] Sun, 21 February 2010 16:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jdbenda
Messages: 15
Registered: December 2008
Junior Member
On Feb 21, 2:52 pm, "rhbig...@gmail.com" <rhbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 21, 1:09 pm, Duchamanos <justhib...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > No one has posted a positive review of a Cultimate tournament in at
> > least 3 years.  I'm not saying that you're an idiot for still going to
> > cultimate tournaments, but you're an idiot.
>
> I posted a good review of Border Brawl this fall, just sayin brad.

Yeah, our team (Southern Illinois) had a good time at Huck Finn last
year. Of course the format was jankety, but we didn't care because we
got good games, and came in with no pretenses of winning the tourney.
Some teams got screwed though if they were on the outside looking in
to the power pools. Huck Finn was well run, but I definitely enjoyed
it better when Wash U ran it. The party when Wash U ran it was
awesome. Arkansas had to run a naked lap through the party, and
thunderstruck was in full effect.

That said we have to go to Huck Finn, the date is convenient, it's two
hours away and we need games to get sanctioned.
Re: Outrage over TiV [message #52975 is a reply to message #52946] Mon, 22 February 2010 07:22 Go to previous message
Naji
Messages: 100
Registered: November 2008
Senior Member
Missouri S&T has officially made a decision to never attend a
Cultimate tournament again. 2/3 of tourneys ('09 Huck Finn and '10
TiV) we have attended have been more than just disappointments. I
please ask other teams to do so for the positive future of our sport.

Regards,
Naji
Missouri S&T Miner Threat
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