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TiV Cancelled? [message #51811] Sat, 06 February 2010 10:06 Go to next message
Matt.Pasienski
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Sez Stanford: "Tournament cancelled until further notice."

http://twitter.com/stanfordblood
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #51813 is a reply to message #51811] Sat, 06 February 2010 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The Dick Formerly Kno
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Just got a text from a friend:

"Delayed till 2 pm. Its a party at the hotel right now. Its pouring
here."
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #51828 is a reply to message #51813] Sat, 06 February 2010 20:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
willjgriffin
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Just got word from the td that the tourney is completely cancelled.
Refunds unlikely.

Little bagels and tourney food, no discs, no party, rain is
uncontrollable but no secondary options? WTF

Cultimate's new slogan: "sucking less...and failing hard"

whose down with going to Pres Day next year instead?
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #51871 is a reply to message #51828] Sun, 07 February 2010 20:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bslade86
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They'll issue refunds. I'm pretty sure they have to... right?
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #51875 is a reply to message #51811] Sun, 07 February 2010 20:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alex Mensen
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On Feb 6, 10:06 am, Matt <matt.pasien...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sez Stanford: "Tournament cancelled until further notice."
>
> http://twitter.com/stanfordblood

Some Deaths, No Arrests and little Ultimate
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #51878 is a reply to message #51871] Sun, 07 February 2010 21:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
canis216
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I'm skeptical. They implied that fees would be reduced/refunded some for club TiV, and I've not heard anything else on that front since the tournament ended.

Given the permanent emergency-bad condition of fields in Las Vegas, it seems to me that we've confirmed that TiV is the worst idea ever. It was fun while we were able to play (Montana got in 4 games, which is more than most teams), but the weekend was a serious letdown from what should have been.
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #51893 is a reply to message #51878] Mon, 08 February 2010 07:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hammie Chen
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Registered: May 2009
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I echo the same thoughts in terms of Club Vegas. Haven't gotten any
word about the discussed refund for a rain-shortened tournament as
well. In terms of the College Vegas... word has it was that it was the
Field-managers that halted the tournament at the first sign of rain,
which came Friday night and Saturday morning during 1st round.

Tournament was suspended after the first round on Saturday (teams
showed up to warm up only to be sent home), and the tournament was
called at a meeting later that night.
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #51958 is a reply to message #51893] Mon, 08 February 2010 14:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Carl Chan
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Registered: February 2010
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I hope that Cultimate would consider refunding the teams a portion of
the cost, but we'll see if that happens. Honestly, I can't fault
Cultimate for terrible weather and field owners kicking the teams off.
But still, I wouldn't mind a little kickback for teams. However, in
the end, the tournament entry fee was the smallest portion of the cost
for this tournament. Consider plane tickets, hotels, rental vehicles,
food, etc... it just added up to a whole lot of wasted money. Again,
not blaming Cultimate for this, it just sucks.

One thing I would like to comment about against Cultimate is their
ability to relay information to everyone. I am on a low ranked team
and I know that my team is low on the food chain, but it would still
be nice to know whether or not the tournament is cancelled. Cultimate
said we would know at 2PM any updates. Then at 2:45pm, our team rep
got a text saying we'd get a final update at 4PM. Then nothing. Our
womens' team heard from the Virginia guys that the tournament was
cancelled later that night on the strip. There was never any official
word from Cultimate. I found this frustrating since they asked for a
phone number from every team anyways.

So yeah, like I said I don't blame Cultimate for the tournament
cancellation, and I honestly don't expect any kind of refund, but it
would have been nice to hear about it from them... anything from them.
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #51964 is a reply to message #51958] Mon, 08 February 2010 16:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
canis216
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I agree that the communication needs to be better. The weather couldn't be helped, and there really is no other choice in Las Vegas when it comes to fields that can host a tournament of the scale of TiV. The issue, I suppose, is whether a tournament of this size should be held in Vegas at all. On decent fields, the rain would hardly have been an issue. I've played tournaments with far worse rain on multiple occasions, and the show went on. But with the Silverbowl fields there is almost no margin for error. It makes playing in Vegas a chancy business, at least during the Los Angeles rainy season.
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #51966 is a reply to message #51958] Mon, 08 February 2010 16:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
utlidumb
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Registered: February 2010
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Man your dumb. I can't believe that was your only problem with cultimate this last weekend. I think teams should get full refunds. For any team that flew which most did it cost probably at a minimum of 200 dollars per person, add in hotel reservations, rental cars and food, most teams and their players were shelling out tons of money. And another thing about rental cars. Cultimate's "hertz deal" that they advertised online was the exact same as hertz's normal price in case you didn't ask why you were getting charged so much when you dropped the cars off. So most teams that were dupped into getting that deal could have rented cars for much cheaper. Field food? Have you tried to play on a twenty person team with how much field food they gave you. You run out by the second game. With all this on top of them canceling the tournament on the second day with terrible communication. Here is a quote from their site about rain:

Q: What happens if it rains?
A: Until last year's College Trouble in Vegas, according to the site managers, they have never had rain-related shutdowns. One might also take comfort in that the average rainfall in Las Vegas for the entire month of February is .45 inches. To give this some perspective, it would have to rain 4 times that amount in a single day to shut down most field sites. In case of rains like last year's College Edition, play will be delayed, and resume when the conditions improve.

I'm pretty sure it rained much less than 2 inches on Saturday and Friday.What is even worse is that it was forcasted to rain that weekend and they never had a back up plan for the hundred teams that traveled there. Give me a break. Not only that but they cut the Women's field so that they could expand the Men's field. Isn't that sexist and/or discriminatory??

Toyota isn't going to break even on those recalls so why shouldn't Cultimate. They deserve to lose some money for this fuck up.

Fuck Cultimate.

P.S Does anyone remember those T.V.s they bought last year to put scores on? Where were they this year probably sitting at their super bowl party.


Cultimate sucking less... failing harder
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #51974 is a reply to message #51964] Mon, 08 February 2010 17:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kazan
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I sorta doubt cultimate will refund a dime.

You -should- expect your meny back - you didn't get your product.

Any other tournamet refunds the field money when there are
cancellations.

hell, any other business, period, refunds the money or gives the
comparable product for free when they don't deliver.

That's part of the -risk- of running a small business. There is
risk. You are not guaranteed profits on everything.

Cultimate should be refunding everyone's money.

If they don't, I sure as hell ain't going to patronize them again.
There are plenty of other tournaments in the world that aren't run by
cultimate.
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #51975 is a reply to message #51974] Mon, 08 February 2010 17:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
canis216
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Yeah, I'm not that eager to play a Cultimate event again. These past two events (Club and College TiV) have been tolerable only because I live fairly close to Las Vegas, which kept my costs down. Others have good reason to be considerably more disappointed and angry. I wouldn't want to travel long distance to TiV in the future, given all the problems that have manifested themselves.
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #51977 is a reply to message #51974] Mon, 08 February 2010 17:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The Dick Formerly Kno
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"You -should- expect your meny back - you didn't get your product.

Any other tournamet refunds the field money when there are
cancellations."

Terminus Sunday last year was cancelled. No refund.
MLC Sunday this year was cancelled. No refund.

I'd imagine they didn't get their money back for reserving the
fields. Is it fair to expect organizers (non-profits like Mizzou
men's ultimate or the Atlanta Disc Association included) to lose money
if the weather doesn't cooperate? I'd say not. Why should the rules
change for a business like cultimate. Yeah, they run shitty
tournaments, but this wasn't their fault. Just my $.02
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #51978 is a reply to message #51977] Mon, 08 February 2010 18:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kazan
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Eh, I still disagree, in that it strikes me that if you're running a
for-profit business, there is risk involved there.

I see a potential point of agreement here, though, that you perhaps
are alluding to - that Terminus and MLC kept money after still
offering half a tourney. While that seems screwy to me, I admit that
I would have thought it OK (if frustrating) if they refunded *half*
the money, since their one-day rainouts left them offering only *half*
a tournament.

Following that logic, since it seems Cultimate was able to offer the
college kids 1/3 of a tourney, perhaps they should be giving 2/3 of
the money back. I'd get behind that. It's a point well taken - it's
not like Cultimate tried to shirk on providing a tourney or anything.
They tried. But everyone got screwed around by the weather.

Thing is, if you're the customer, once you've paid the $, the onus is
no longer on you to provide the product. The onus is on the event
organizer. So I think that the teams deserve their money back (or, in
this case, 2/3 of their money back) of their team entry fees.
Cultimate would be very much in the wrong - and for damn certain
pissing off a large portion of their user base, perhaps irreparably -
if they kept all the $ here.

If Cultimate were listening to me, my advice would be: refund 2/3 of
the cash. You'll take a bit of a hit on this tournament, but you'll
more than make up for it in the future. Whereas if you keep the cash
now, that short-sighted move will damn near definitely bite you back
in the long run.
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #51982 is a reply to message #51978] Mon, 08 February 2010 19:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
T H
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Kazan wrote on Mon, 08 February 2010 21:08
Whereas if you keep the cash
now, that short-sighted move will damn near definitely bite you back
in the long run.


but isn't it EVERY year teams complain about Cultimate run tournaments? seems like it to me. yet teams still go play.


if people are buying a broke(or questionable) product even after they know it's broken - why should they fix it?
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #52016 is a reply to message #51828] Tue, 09 February 2010 05:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> Just got word from the td that the tourney is completely cancelled.
> Refunds unlikely.>
> whose down with going to Pres Day next year instead?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---sooooo....163 teams paid the entry fee....paid to travel and stay
in vegas....and played no ultimate?
really?

who's down with Pres Day next year?
HELL....the UOA is.

see ya'll in Wilmington next President's Day.

yes....fewer teams.
yes....better communication.
yes....simpler format.
yes....less confusion.
yes....8 games for everyone.
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #52017 is a reply to message #51964] Tue, 09 February 2010 05:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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there really is no other
> choice in Las Vegas when it comes to fields that can host a
> tournament of the scale of TiV. The issue, I suppose, is
> whether a tournament of this size should be held in Vegas at
> all.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--should a tournament of that size be held anywhere?
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #52019 is a reply to message #51974] Tue, 09 February 2010 05:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> Cultimate should be refunding everyone's money.
>
> If they don't, I sure as hell ain't going to patronize them again.
> There are plenty of other tournaments in the world that aren't run by
> cultimate.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


---people keep sayin' that.....but they keep forkin' over the money to
be one of 163
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #52061 is a reply to message #51977] Tue, 09 February 2010 13:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colinmcintyre
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On Feb 8, 8:42 pm, The Dick Formerly Known As Dennis
<isar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'd imagine they didn't get their money back for reserving the
> fields.  

I don't get why they wouldn't get their money back from the field
owner. They paid for the right to use the fields. They were not
allowed to use the fields. If the fields are unusable due to weather,
the field owner has no product to sell that weekend.

Anyone with more experience on this know how these arrangements
typically work?
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #52142 is a reply to message #52061] Wed, 10 February 2010 05:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> Anyone with more experience on this know how these arrangements
> typically work?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---we pay to use fields for winter/spring/summer league.
when we have a rain out, we don't pay for that day.
we apply the money from the rain out day, to either our next league or
one of our tournament days.

days not used, are credited to the future.
i assume we could GET BACK money for days that we NEVER USE or will
NEVER MAKE UP......
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #52148 is a reply to message #52061] Wed, 10 February 2010 07:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
davidvatz
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On Feb 9, 4:08 pm, Colin <colinmcint...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't get why they wouldn't get their money back from the field
> owner.  They paid for the right to use the fields.  They were not
> allowed to use the fields.  If the fields are unusable due to weather,
> the field owner has no product to sell that weekend.
>
> Anyone with more experience on this know how these arrangements
> typically work?

I suspect they would get their money back. I know the field sites
that we use would not charge us for days that we didn't use...after
all, we're not paying them for the right to maybe use the field if
it's not too rainy...we're paying them for the use of the fields. I
can't imagine Cultimate's deals are any different.
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #52202 is a reply to message #52148] Thu, 11 February 2010 06:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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On Feb 10, 10:18 am, "David I. Vatz" <davidv...@gmail.com> wrote:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---Pitt, ya'll should have just signed on for another UOA 8s in
Wilmington NC!
Re: TiV Cancelled? [message #52212 is a reply to message #51811] Thu, 11 February 2010 10:21 Go to previous message
Big Papa Fresh
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Registered: February 2010
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Dear Fellow Ultimate Players,

This past weekend we were robbed of many things. We were deprived of
games and money by the dictatorship known as cultimate. It comes to a
time now where we must ask ourselves how long we will let cultimate
get away with what ever they want. Last year they tried to take over
the UPA, the only thing that stopped them was poor planning and the
fact that they were forced to take their website down, because they
stole the design from the Obama website, now they are withholding our
money from us. They have now made it clear that all they care about is
money and could care less about what others say. Its time for us all
to make a stand and let Cultiamte know what we really think of their
operations. I refuse to go to any Cultimate sponsored events and Cool i
hope many of you will do the same. Its time to see what cultimate
really stands for and that is a cult that is out for money.


-Big Papa Fresh


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