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Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #821] Mon, 29 September 2008 08:59 Go to next message
hotlou
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My take at seedings:

1. Alpha Cobra Squadron (NWP 1)
(undefeated in the Central)

2. Peppermint Bon Bon (NWP 2)
(defeated One Trick Pony in the finals at Cooler and quarters @ CHC)

3. One Trick Pony (WP 1)
(defeated Oh Boy! handily at Cooler)

4. Oh Boy! (NWP 3)
(defeated ICE at Cooler, closer game against common opponent PBB
compared to ICE)

5. ICE (WP 2)
(semis at CHC, highest RRI or remaining teams)

6. The Abusement Park (CP 1)
(highest RRI & CHC finish of remaining teams other than Lush, whom
they defeated at CHC and sectionals)

7. Deathstar Contractors (NWP 4)
(this is a really low seed for the Carleton kids)

8. Steamboat (EP/M 1)

9. Lush (CP 2)
(highest remaing RRI)

10. Combine (WP 3)
(compared to Gambit and Hybrid, lost by less to common opponents ICE
and One Trick Pony)

11. Hybrid (EP/M 2)
(compared to Gambit, common opponents could go either way, but Hybrid
has a higher RRI, and lost by less to common opponent Oh Boy!)

12. Gambit (CP 3)
(common opponents with Gambit could go either way)

13. NURD (CP 4)
(have to go ahead of Teddy Grumpskins because of performances against
common opponents Plowed and Food & Liquor)

14. Teddy Grumpskins (NWP 5)
(have to land ahead of Playground Heroes because of NWP finish)

15. Playground Heroes (NWP 6)
(this team is really good and is here only because of a inexplicable
loss to Teddy Grumpskins)

16. Just Liquor (CP 5)
(No wins against any other Mixed regional team and lowest RRI)

"Sectionals rematch avoidance" is not fair to the teams whose pool
play schedule becomes more difficult for the sake of avoiding a
rematch of a single game that took place 3 weeks ago.

- Joe's Brother
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #824 is a reply to message #821] Mon, 29 September 2008 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
elliottt
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Look for the Lundersaur to singlehandedly devour most of the
competition until Kru mercifully puts him down with IO breaks and
angel wings.
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #829 is a reply to message #824] Mon, 29 September 2008 10:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BladingSawBladeWithBl
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Which of these is the "Northfield" team of Carleton lovefest
wonderfulness?
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #830 is a reply to message #821] Mon, 29 September 2008 10:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hoffdad
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Abusement is 1-0 vs. Oh Boy!(win at CHC) and hasn't played ICE. We
have a low RRI but that shouldnt matter when there is head to head
involved, right?

Hoffman
Abusement Park
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #834 is a reply to message #821] Mon, 29 September 2008 10:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joe.ribaudo
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On Sep 29, 11:59 am, "Joe's Brother" <hot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My take at seedings:
>
> 1. Alpha Cobra Squadron (NWP 1)
> (undefeated in the Central)
>
> 2. Peppermint Bon Bon (NWP 2)
> (defeated One Trick Pony in the finals at Cooler and quarters @ CHC)
>
> 3. One Trick Pony (WP 1)
> (defeated Oh Boy! handily at Cooler)
>
> 4. Oh Boy! (NWP 3)
> (defeated ICE at Cooler, closer game against common opponent PBB
> compared to ICE)
>
> 5. ICE (WP 2)
> (semis at CHC, highest RRI or remaining teams)
>
> 6. The Abusement Park (CP 1)
> (highest RRI & CHC finish of remaining teams other than Lush, whom
> they defeated at CHC and sectionals)
>
> 7. Deathstar Contractors (NWP 4)
> (this is a really low seed for the Carleton kids)
>
> 8. Steamboat (EP/M 1)
>
> 9. Lush (CP 2)
> (highest remaing RRI)
>
> 10. Combine (WP 3)
> (compared to Gambit and Hybrid, lost by less to common opponents ICE
> and One Trick Pony)
>
> 11. Hybrid (EP/M 2)
> (compared to Gambit, common opponents could go either way, but Hybrid
> has a higher RRI, and lost by less to common opponent Oh Boy!)
>
> 12. Gambit (CP 3)
> (common opponents with Gambit could go either way)
>
> 13. NURD (CP 4)
> (have to go ahead of Teddy Grumpskins because of performances against
> common opponents Plowed and Food & Liquor)
>
> 14. Teddy Grumpskins (NWP 5)
> (have to land ahead of Playground Heroes because of NWP finish)
>
> 15. Playground Heroes (NWP 6)
> (this team is really good and is here only because of a inexplicable
> loss to Teddy Grumpskins)
>
> 16. Just Liquor (CP 5)
> (No wins against any other Mixed regional team and lowest RRI)
>
> "Sectionals rematch avoidance" is not fair to the teams whose pool
> play schedule becomes more difficult for the sake of avoiding a
> rematch of a single game that took place 3 weeks ago.
>
> - Joe's Brother

i think the 4/5/6 seedings are a little difficult to decide with the
head to head results. oh boy beat ice 13-12 at cooler. abusement park
beat oh boy 12-10 at chc. abusement park and ice have not played. we
(abusement park) have played one trick pony, as have oh boy and ice.
ice is the only team that has beaten one trick pony, and for that
matter has even given them a good game. ice was by far the best of the
three teams at chc, making semis (beating a puppet regime team in
quarters that beat both abusement and oh boy on saturday), where
abusement park lost in quarters and oh boy didnt make the championship
bracket.

both abusement park and oh boy have losses and/or wins against hybrid
and steamboat. abusement is 1-0 vs steamboat and 1-2 vs hybrid, while
oh boy is 1-1 vs steamboat and 1-0 vs hybrid. thats pretty much it
except for abusement being 1-0 vs olio and oh boy 0-1 vs olio.

i can see seeding them as mentioned above, or 4-ice,5-abusement,6-oh
boy. there is no clear way to decide with the mix of wins and losses,
just throwing out my thoughts.
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #836 is a reply to message #830] Mon, 29 September 2008 10:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hoffdad
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Calm down Robo.

I can see the seedings going.
4. Park
5. Oh Boy
6. ICE

I know its tough to put ICE so low but because they lost to Oh Boy!
and we beat Oh Boy! that's how it seems it should go, at least to me
that is.

And Robo, atleast i am trying to seed our team higher.

Hoffman
Abusement Park
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #837 is a reply to message #830] Mon, 29 September 2008 10:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joe.ribaudo
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On Sep 29, 1:10 pm, Hoffdad <dhoffman...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Abusement is 1-0 vs. Oh Boy!(win at CHC) and hasn't played ICE.  We
> have a low RRI but that shouldnt matter when there is head to head
> involved, right?
>
> Hoffman
> Abusement Park

now we look like losers cause we both posted on the same topic almost
simultaneously. gd hoff. gd. at least my argument is better.
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #841 is a reply to message #836] Mon, 29 September 2008 10:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Becky
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Soo. you said Ice was by far the best of the three teams...and Oh boy!
beat Ice...so why shouldn't Oh boy be seeded above Ice? I think 1-5
are pretty clear cut at this point. You can go ahead and switch Oh
boy and Ice around if you would like, but they're still gonna be in
the same pool. But I think those top 5 are pretty clear.

nasty

and abusement park is a great name, what are your jerseys like?




On Sep 29, 12:33 pm, Hoffdad <dhoffman...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Calm down Robo.
>
> I can see the seedings going.
> 4. Park
> 5. Oh Boy
> 6. ICE
>
> I know its tough to put ICE so low but because they lost to Oh Boy!
> and we beat Oh Boy! that's how it seems it should go, at least to me
> that is.
>
> And Robo, atleast i am trying to seed our team higher.
>
> Hoffman
> Abusement Park
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #846 is a reply to message #841] Mon, 29 September 2008 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DougFunnie13
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On Sep 29, 12:44 pm, Becky <dbbeque...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Soo. you said Ice was by far the best of the three teams...and Oh boy!
> beat Ice...so why shouldn't Oh boy be seeded above Ice? I think 1-5
> are pretty  clear cut at this point. You can go ahead and switch Oh
> boy and Ice around if you would like, but they're still gonna be in
> the same pool. But I think those top 5 are pretty clear.
>
> nasty
>

Has the format been decided on? Do we know for sure its gonna be pool
play or will it be bracket?
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #848 is a reply to message #841] Mon, 29 September 2008 10:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hoffdad
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I don't know if its that clear cut...

We beat Oh Boy! and Oh Boy! beat ICE. Emphasis on we beat Oh Boy!

Wouldn't that put us higher than Oh Boy! right there? It was a recent
win (CHC) and we ended up finishing higher than them at that
tournament.

We haven't played ICE yet but I have played against them many of times
(Briefcase and Blah) and i know they are a great team but the fact
that they lost to Oh Boy! hurts them in this case.

Hoffman
Abusement Park

p.s. On the front of the jersey is a smiling pink ice cream cone.
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #851 is a reply to message #841] Mon, 29 September 2008 10:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joe.ribaudo
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On Sep 29, 1:44 pm, Becky <dbbeque...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Soo. you said Ice was by far the best of the three teams...and Oh boy!
> beat Ice...so why shouldn't Oh boy be seeded above Ice? I think 1-5
> are pretty  clear cut at this point. You can go ahead and switch Oh
> boy and Ice around if you would like, but they're still gonna be in
> the same pool. But I think those top 5 are pretty clear.
>
> nasty
>
> and abusement park is a great name, what are your jerseys like?
>
> On Sep 29, 12:33 pm, Hoffdad <dhoffman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Calm down Robo.
>
> > I can see the seedings going.
> > 4. Park
> > 5. Oh Boy
> > 6. ICE
>
> > I know its tough to put ICE so low but because they lost to Oh Boy!
> > and we beat Oh Boy! that's how it seems it should go, at least to me
> > that is.
>
> > And Robo, atleast i am trying to seed our team higher.
>
> > Hoffman
> > Abusement Park

when did i say that? ... means there was more to the sentence, which
included, at chc. which is a tournament that all three teams were at.
a tournament where oh boy lost to three teams in pool play, including
the abusement park, and didnt make the championship bracket. a
tournament that ice made semis. am i making more sense now? for the
record, here are the seedings as i see them.

1. acs
2. pbb
3. twins
4. oh boy
5. t'wolves
6. golphers
7. deathstar
8. pop
9-15. jesse ventura
16. sub zero
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #860 is a reply to message #851] Mon, 29 September 2008 11:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joe.ribaudo
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On Sep 29, 1:57 pm, joe.riba...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 29, 1:44 pm, Becky <dbbeque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Soo. you said Ice was by far the best of the three teams...and Oh boy!
> > beat Ice...so why shouldn't Oh boy be seeded above Ice? I think 1-5
> > are pretty  clear cut at this point. You can go ahead and switch Oh
> > boy and Ice around if you would like, but they're still gonna be in
> > the same pool. But I think those top 5 are pretty clear.
>
> > nasty
>
> > and abusement park is a great name, what are your jerseys like?
>
> > On Sep 29, 12:33 pm, Hoffdad <dhoffman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Calm down Robo.
>
> > > I can see the seedings going.
> > > 4. Park
> > > 5. Oh Boy
> > > 6. ICE
>
> > > I know its tough to put ICE so low but because they lost to Oh Boy!
> > > and we beat Oh Boy! that's how it seems it should go, at least to me
> > > that is.
>
> > > And Robo, atleast i am trying to seed our team higher.
>
> > > Hoffman
> > > Abusement Park
>
> when did i say that? ... means there was more to the sentence, which
> included, at chc. which is a tournament that all three teams were at.
> a tournament where oh boy lost to three teams in pool play, including
> the abusement park, and didnt make the championship bracket. a
> tournament that ice made semis. am i making more sense now? for the
> record, here are the seedings as i see them.
>
> 1. acs
> 2. pbb
> 3. twins
> 4. oh boy
> 5. t'wolves
> 6. golphers
> 7. deathstar
> 8. pop
> 9-15. jesse ventura
> 16. sub zero

i formally challenge eric morin to a quad quad stacker eat off for the
higher seed. meet me at the bk lounge.
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #864 is a reply to message #846] Mon, 29 September 2008 11:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DougFunnie13
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> Has the format been decided on?  Do we know for sure its gonna be pool
> play or will it be bracket?

Nevermind, I see that the format has been decided on...pool play it is
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #877 is a reply to message #821] Mon, 29 September 2008 12:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
srapson
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Some messy things to work out... here's my shot:

1. ACS (NWP 1)
2. PBB (NWP 2)
3. OTP (WP 1)

Obvious based on results.

4. Oh Boy (NWP 3)
5. ICE (WP 2)
6. Abusement Park (CP 1)

With all respect to Oh Boy, I wouldn't be surprised to see ICE win out
the 4/5 game. Some argument for Abusement, Oh Boy, ICE on h2h... but I
don't think that's realistic, plus it puts a 1/2 regional rematch in
the same pool, which doesn't make sense.

7. Steamboat (EP 1)
8. Hybrid (EP 2)
9. Lush (CP 2)

Tough trio to rank, lots of intermingled losses here... Steamboat/
Hybrid is fixed by sectionals results, Lush has lost to Hybrid and
beat Steamboat.

10. Deathstar (NWP 4)

Historically low and likely not to be played out this way, but they
have a h2h loss against Hybrid, Lush, NURD and two h2h losses to
Steamboat. I bump them over NURD/Gambit because of historical
finishes, some would argue they should be 12.

11.Gambit (CP3)
12. NURD (CP4)

Per the Deathstar conversation... some argument for bumping both up.
Otherwise by sectional results

13.Teddy Grumpskins (NWP 5)
14. Playground Heroes (NWP6)
15.Combine (WP 3)
16.Just Liquor (CP5)

Combine has a thin record and an RRI that is artificially boosted by
winning out the B bracket of CHC. Only intra-regional play is 3 losses
to OTP and ICE and a win over Just Liquor.

------
Pools (standard snake):

ACS
Hybrid
Steamboat
Just Liquor

PBB
Lush
Deathstar
Combine

OTP
Abusement Park
Gambit
Playground Heroes

Oh Boy!
ICE
NURD
Teddy Grumpskins


Pools (snake in the UPA reporter)

ACS
Hybrid
Deathstar
Combine

PBB
Lush
Steamboat
Just Liquor

OTP
Abusement Park
NURD
Teddy Grumpskins

Oh Boy!
ICE
Gambit
Playground Heroes
------

Not sure which snake they are going to use...


On Sep 29, 10:59 am, "Joe's Brother" <hot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My take at seedings:
>
> 1. Alpha Cobra Squadron (NWP 1)
> (undefeated in the Central)
>
> 2. Peppermint Bon Bon (NWP 2)
> (defeated One Trick Pony in the finals at Cooler and quarters @ CHC)
>
> 3. One Trick Pony (WP 1)
> (defeated Oh Boy! handily at Cooler)
>

Yep

> 4. Oh Boy! (NWP 3)
> (defeated ICE at Cooler, closer game against common opponent PBB
> compared to ICE)
>
> 5. ICE (WP 2)
> (semis at CHC, highest RRI or remaining teams)
>
> 6. The Abusement Park (CP 1)
> (highest RRI & CHC finish of remaining teams other than Lush, whom
> they defeated at CHC and sectionals)

This is tough.. by head to head you would have Abusement Park, Oh Boy,
ICE. But, it seems likely ICE would/should win out in that trio. I
think this is fine since the 4/5 split doesn't really matter and
putting Abusement in the 6 slot prevents ICE from being in OTP's pool,
which would be pretty unfair.

>
> 7. Deathstar Contractors (NWP 4)
> (this is a really low seed for the Carleton kids)
>

Historically a low seed for them, but tough for them to be ranked
ahead of teams with h2h wins over them: Lush (0-1), Steamboat(0-2),
Hybrid(0-1) and NURD(0-1).

They do look stronger than they were in the regular season, but I'm
not sure it's as big of a jump as it has been in years previous.

> 8. Steamboat (EP/M 1)
>
> 9. Lush (CP 2)
> (highest remaing RRI)
>
> 10. Combine (WP 3)
> (compared to Gambit and Hybrid, lost by less to common opponents ICE
> and One Trick Pony)
>
> 11. Hybrid (EP/M 2)
> (compared to Gambit, common opponents could go either way, but Hybrid
> has a higher RRI, and lost by less to common opponent Oh Boy!)
>
> 12. Gambit (CP 3)
> (common opponents with Gambit could go either way)
>
> 13. NURD (CP 4)
> (have to go ahead of Teddy Grumpskins because of performances against
> common opponents Plowed and Food & Liquor)
>
> 14. Teddy Grumpskins (NWP 5)
> (have to land ahead of Playground Heroes because of NWP finish)
>
> 15. Playground Heroes (NWP 6)
> (this team is really good and is here only because of a inexplicable
> loss to Teddy Grumpskins)
>
> 16. Just Liquor (CP 5)
> (No wins against any other Mixed regional team and lowest RRI)
>
> "Sectionals rematch avoidance" is not fair to the teams whose pool
> play schedule becomes more difficult for the sake of avoiding a
> rematch of a single game that took place 3 weeks ago.
>
> - Joe's Brother
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #906 is a reply to message #877] Mon, 29 September 2008 16:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DK21
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1. ACS (NWP 1)
2. PBB (NWP 2)
3. OTP (WP 1)

When we have a triangle scenario like the one between ICE, Oh Boy!,
and Abusement Park, I don't think it makes sense to give the most
weight to Oh Boy!'s 1pt Cooler victory over hungover ICE instead of
Abusement Park's Heavyweights 2pt victory over Oh Boy! or the fact
that ICE did much better than both teams at Heavyweights and is the
2007 regional champion.

However, Abusement should not be the 4 or 5 seed, but it isn't because
Oh Boy! beat ICE... it is because Abusement lost to Lush 3-13 and
Hybrid twice 9-10 & 14-15, and their relative scores against other
teams have built a relatively low RRI. Sure, the RRI wouldn't matter
as much if Abusement hadn't lost those other games. but it is a useful
tool for figuring out where to place them based on some weird previous
results (some very good others not as good)

4. ICE (WP 2)
5. Oh Boy (NWP 3)
6. Abusement Park (CP 1)

It is mostly irrelevant whether ICE is 4th or 5th, and the same for Oh
Boy!, since they will be in the same pool and will get to fight it
out. This is a good outcome in light of the cooler surprise... but as
far as seeding goes, the main reason ICE didn't get a win over Oh Boy!
at Heavyweights was that Oh Boy! didn't do well enough to setup such a
game (finishing 13th), and meanwhile ICE made semis. I mean no
disrespect to Oh Boy! - I felt they looked sweet at sectionals and are
gaining a lot of steam into the fall (and their Cooler quarters win
was cool too), but at the last major tournament which both teams
attended, ICE and Oh Boy! didn't even finish in the same 12 team
bracket.

7. Steamboat (EP 1)
8. Hybrid (EP 2)
9. Lush (CP 2)
10. Deathstar Contractors (NWP 4)

Steamboat must be over Hybrid. Lush beat Steamboat by 2 in July but
lost to Hybrid by 6 at the same tournament. Deathstar Contractors'
Carleton program has qualified for nationals the last X years (x=5+).
Their team has always been good at regionals, and generally much less
good prior to regionals. This year it appeared that they had most of
their roster at sectionals and didn't dominate, but had only fractions
of it prior to sectionals. Thus I would recommend seeding them based
on how they looked at sectionals (RRI 2248). The nice thing about
their Sectionals RRI is that it places them below Steamboat, Hybrid,
Lush - 3 teams they happened to have lost to with their half-squads.

11. Gambit (CP3)
12. NURD (CP4)
13.Combine (WP 3)
14. Teddy Grumpskins (NWP 5)
15. Playground Heroes (NWP6)
16. Just Liquor (CP5)

Combine may not be in the right place... hard to say. Anywhere from
11-15 could make sense. They have a couple of respectable-ish losses
to ICE, but haven't faced any serious competition other than ICE and
OTP. Whereas Gambit and NURD have played tougher competition
(Heavyweights top pools), Combine played in the lower pools, so that
might be one logical means of differentiating them... though I don't
know if Combine had the choice or not.
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #915 is a reply to message #906] Mon, 29 September 2008 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hoffdad
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Don't get me wrong i have much respect for both Oh Boy! and ICE. They
are both very strong teams and I won't be mad if they end up seeded
ahead of us. I am just wondering how the seeding works. The #1
objective is to get the seeds right and fair. The second objective
would be to move teams around to not have certain sectional rematches
and i understand all of that (well i think i do).

I am just curious as to what weighs heavier when you are seeding?
Head to Head? RRI? Common opponents? Finishes at same tournaments?
I don't know the answer i am just curious. If head to head is weighed
higher in seeding, then i can see Park being in that 4 spot. If it is
not, then I see Park in the 6 spot. I just keep looking at the 4-6
spots between Park, ICE, and Oh Boy! and i see...

4 Abusment Park (1-0 vs. Oh Boy!)
5 Oh Boy! (1-0 vs. ICE)
6 ICE (0-1 vs. Oh Boy! but better RRI and better finishes than Park)

If someone could give me the clarification about what is really
weighed into seeding, and what is usually weighed more when doing so,
then i would have a better understanding of all this.

Hoffman
Abusement Park
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #925 is a reply to message #915] Mon, 29 September 2008 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DK21
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> I am just curious as to what weighs heavier when you are seeding?
> Head to Head?  RRI?  Common opponents?  Finishes at same tournaments?
> I don't know the answer i am just curious.  If head to head is weighed
> higher in seeding, then i can see Park being in that 4 spot.  If it is
> not, then I see Park in the 6 spot.  I just keep looking at the 4-6
> spots between Park, ICE, and Oh Boy! and i see...
>
> 4 Abusment Park (1-0 vs. Oh Boy!)
> 5 Oh Boy! (1-0 vs. ICE)
> 6 ICE (0-1 vs. Oh Boy! but better RRI and better finishes than Park)

[Part of the problem with that seeding is that there isn't just W/L
between those 3 teams. If you want to just look at W/L for regionals
seeding you run into the problem that Abusement Park has losses to
Hybrid and Lush. So should the seeding therefore be:

4. Steamboat (beat Hybrid at sectionals)
5. Hybrid (beat Lush and Abusement Park)
6. Lush (beat Abusement Park)
7. Abusement Park (beat Oh Boy!)
8. Oh Boy! (beat ICE)
9. ICE

??? Probably No. That seeding would be fairly ridiculous, since ICE
probably deserves the 4 seed based on their season as a whole, but a
1pt loss to Oh Boy! instead pegs them the 9 seed because somebody
decided that they'd just look at head-to-head results in a vacuum...
now I suppose I should point out that ICE did beat some of those teams
in our hypothetical 4-8 above, so there really is no neat and easy 4-9
just based on head-to-head, but I hope my point here is revealing of
the reasons why the formats manual and series guidelines do not just
tell you to look at one factor, but rather a list of factors, without
necessarily making one trump all others.]

> If someone could give me the clarification about what is really
> weighed into seeding, and what is usually weighed more when doing so,
> then i would have a better understanding of all this.
>
> Hoffman
> Abusement Park

[Below are what the UPA formats manual and coordinator packets have to
say about seeding]

[Formats manual]

Seeding
"Seeding" a tournament is a way of ranking the teams and, assuming
there is pool play, distributing the teams into the pools in such a
way as to be fair to the teams involved, and to avoid matching up the
best teams in the early rounds. For example, suppose, at your
sectional, you were trying to choose the top three teams to qualify
for regionals. The last situation you want is where a team gets beaten
by the number one and number two teams and never has a chance to
compete against the number three team. Suppose you had ten teams
divided into two pools of five. You would try your best not to put the
two best teams in the same pool. If this is difficult to determine
(and it sometimes is in those sections where teams don't play each
other often), you would try to make sure that when pool play is done,
the top three teams in each pool have not yet been eliminated.

Ideally, it shouldn't matter where or how teams are seeded. Indeed,
when the entire tournament is in one round-robin pool, it doesn't
matter how the teams are seeded. Attempts have been made, in every
format in this manual, to minimize the effect of seeding. A team might
get eliminated earlier or later because of where they were seeded, but
whether or not the team qualifies for the next level tournament should
not depend on seeding.

....

How to seed
For UPA Series tournaments, UPA seeding guidelines should be followed.
Check with your National Division Director or your division’s series
guidelines for more information. In general, it is useful to get as
much information as possible beforehand, i.e., which teams have beaten
other teams, etc. As general rules, one should take into account the
entire season, giving more weight to games and tournaments that were
played more recently. (In college situations, the "Top 20" rankings
service can be used as a guide; the rankings should not necessarily be
controlling).

[Coordinator packet]

Seeding for Sectionals and Regionals should be done by the coordinator
using the following information: input solicited from all the captains
of participating teams, results prior to the Series (e.g. head to
head, common opponents, tournament finish), results of last year's
Series, and other applicable information (e.g. team composition,
conditions). Team captain input may be in the form of a vote, ranking,
or general discussion. Voting is a fair method and if utilized should
be adhered to, except where there is obvious strategic maneuvering
taking place or a contradiction to obvious differences in strength.
The coordinator has the authority to adjust rankings according to the
best information available.
Seeding for Regionals will additionally be held to the following
guideline: No team that finishes ahead of another team at Sectionals
may be seeded behind that team at Regionals.
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #927 is a reply to message #915] Mon, 29 September 2008 18:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Caleb
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I don't see ICE being the 6th seed based on their record and to avoid
the sectionals the sectionals match up with OTP.
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #930 is a reply to message #927] Mon, 29 September 2008 19:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hoffdad
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"How to seed
For UPA Series tournaments, UPA seeding guidelines should be followed.
Check with your National Division Director or your division’s series
guidelines for more information. In general, it is useful to get as
much information as possible beforehand, i.e., which teams have beaten
other teams, etc. As general rules, one should take into account the
entire season, giving more weight to games and tournaments that were
played more recently. "

Ok, the thing that jumps out to me with this is...

"As general rules, one should take into account the
entire season, giving more weight to games and tournaments that were
played more recently."

I think its obvious that we are just talking about the 4-6 seeds and
the teams involved are The Abusement Park, ICE, and Oh Boy!. If you
want to bring other teams in that discussion then that will change
this discussion but i think everyone is in agreement that these are
the 3 teams involved.

Ok...well if you look at our (Park) scores we had two tournaments
since July 26th (we didnt play at cooler). So we have CHC and
Sectionals. We won all of our games at sectionals and had to come
back to beat Lush in a good final. As for CHC, we ended up tied for
7th beating Oh Boy! in pool play. Ice ended up losing in semis not
playing either of us and Oh Boy! ended up 13th losing to Park.
Common Opponents scores:
Park 12 Olio 9
Oh Boy! 9 Olio 13
Park 12 Teddy Grumpskins 10
Oh Boy! 15 Teddy Grumpskins 8
Park 5 Slow White 15
ICE 9 Slow White 13
Park 5 OTP 15
ICE 15 OTP 10
If you just used that tournament then you would seed the 3 of us as:

4 ICE
5 Abusement Park
6 Oh Boy!

If you go to the next tournament (Cooler). We didnt play, ICE lost in
quarters to Oh Boy! by 1 point. Ice ended up 5th and Oh Boy! ended up
4th. Both beating all of the same teams.

So with that win of Oh Boy! over ICE in the middle of August, how much
do we weigh this game? Its middle of August at a good tournament, in
quarterfinals, and it was a one point game? That is a tough
decision..

If you start adding in July and before then you have this for records
against regional opponents during that time
ICE
0-1 vs. ACS
* thats all they have from July and before

Oh Boy!
0-1 vs. ACS
0-1 vs. PBB
1-0 vs. Playground Heroes

Park
1-1 vs. Lush
1-2 vs. Hybrid
1-0 vs. Steamboat
2-0 vs. Just Liquor
1-0 vs. Gambit

So if you want to weigh the scores from July and beyond heavily into
this discussion then i see why we should be seeded 6th. But if you
weigh the most recent results heavier but still keeping the old
results in mind then i think there is a discussion here. I just think
that most people are thinking that because it is ICE that they should
just be automatically be seeded 4th. And although they might deserve
that spot, i believe that The Abusement Park also deserves that spot.
Going back to the quote from the upa manual

"As general rules, one should take into account the
entire season, giving more weight to games and tournaments that were
played more recently."

I know they say that is a general rule, but if we look at current
results first then we have...
ICE
Tied for 3rd at CHC with wins over Puppet Regime (Park and Oh Boy!
lost to them), and One Trick Pony (Park lost to them)
2nd place at Sectionals with two losses to One Trick Pony

Park
Tied for 7th at CHC with wins over Oh Boy!, Olio (Beat Oh Boy!)
1st place at Sectionals by beating Lush 15-13

Oh Boy!
13th place at CHC with a loss to Park
3rd place at a tough section with losses to ACS and PBB (13-15)

This is just CHC and Sectionals. Based on that i think its pretty
clearly
4 ICE
5 The Abusement Park
6 Oh Boy!

How much do we weigh in the next tournament (Cooler), and the ICE loss
to Oh Boy!? Then after that, how do you weigh in the losses from Park
to the lower seeded regional teams?

I don't think it is as clear cut as people think. I see now why ICE
should be 4 seed a little more but then i wouldnt put us 6 behind Oh
Boy, but if that ICE loss at Cooler means anything then i can see the
discussion going back to us being 4.

I'm glad i'm not in charge of this stuff.

Hoffman
Abusement Park
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #944 is a reply to message #930] Mon, 29 September 2008 20:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DK21
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> This is just CHC and Sectionals.  Based on that i think its pretty
> clearly
> 4 ICE
> 5 The Abusement Park
> 6 Oh Boy!

I don't entirely disagree with this setup. I agree that ICE should be
the 4 seed, notwithstanding their cooler loss to OB!. I'd concede
that between Abusement and Oh Boy! it is pretty close, in light of
Abusement having that 2pt win over Oh Boy!. OB! has probably had the
better season - that win over ICE, played PBB to 13-15 at Sectionals,
and has an RRI of 2353 compared to AP's 2284. AP has 3 losses to
teams that are likely to be seeded in the 7-10 range, and Oh Boy! only
has 1 of those losses. Had Abusement and Oh Boy! not have played, it
would be easy to seed OB! 5 and AP 6. But with that game in mind, it
gets close. Of course, if you are willing to argue that ICE deserves
the higher seed despite one close loss to OB! because ICE had a better
season, then wouldn't it also be logical to argue that OB! deserves
the better seed than AP despite one close loss to AP because OB! had
the better season?

I'm not sure that those three teams are the clear cut 4-6. Hybrid is
2-1 vs. Abusement, winning the two most recent games. If Hybrid
hadn't lost to Steamboat at sectionals, then Hybrid might well be the
6 seed over AP. Really Abusement's win over OB! and early season win
over Steamboat are working hard here to put it into the 4-6
discussion, but I don't know that those are enough to put it above 6
considering OB!'s season.

Note: Seeding may change when you'd run into OTP/ACS/PBB/ICE/OB!/DC/AP
etc., but it won't change the fact that you will run into them, and
you have to beat all but one* of the teams you run into if you want to
make the championships. I guess we'll see how Tom sets it up. Good
luck to all teams.

(*I suppose you could lose 2 games in pool play and still qualify by
winning out the 2nd place bracket as a 3-seed, or even come out into
semis with a loss (or two?) in pool play in a big tied pool, so while
technically you could lose 2 (or 3?) games and still qualify, chances
are you are looking at 0-1 losses to keep control of your destiny.)
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #947 is a reply to message #944] Mon, 29 September 2008 21:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Becky
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So it seems like most everyone thinks that Oh Boy! should be seeded
above Abusement Park, except for players on....Abusement Park.... just
saying.



On Sep 29, 10:22 pm, DK21 <DaveKl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > This is just CHC and Sectionals.  Based on that i think its pretty
> > clearly
> > 4 ICE
> > 5 The Abusement Park
> > 6 Oh Boy!
>
> I don't entirely disagree with this setup.  I agree that ICE should be
> the 4 seed, notwithstanding their cooler loss to OB!.  I'd concede
> that between Abusement and Oh Boy! it is pretty close, in light of
> Abusement having that 2pt win over Oh Boy!.  OB! has probably had the
> better season - that win over ICE, played PBB to 13-15 at Sectionals,
> and has an RRI of 2353 compared to AP's 2284.  AP has 3 losses to
> teams that are likely to be seeded in the 7-10 range, and Oh Boy! only
> has 1 of those losses.  Had Abusement and Oh Boy! not have played, it
> would be easy to seed OB! 5 and AP 6.  But with that game in mind, it
> gets close.  Of course, if you are willing to argue that ICE deserves
> the higher seed despite one close loss to OB! because ICE had a better
> season, then wouldn't it also be logical to argue that OB! deserves
> the better seed than AP despite one close loss to AP because OB! had
> the better season?
>
> I'm not sure that those three teams are the clear cut 4-6.  Hybrid is
> 2-1 vs. Abusement, winning the two most recent games.  If Hybrid
> hadn't lost to Steamboat at sectionals, then Hybrid might well be the
> 6 seed over AP.  Really Abusement's win over OB! and early season win
> over Steamboat are working hard here to put it into the 4-6
> discussion, but I don't know that those are enough to put it above 6
> considering OB!'s season.
>
> Note: Seeding may change when you'd run into OTP/ACS/PBB/ICE/OB!/DC/AP
> etc., but it won't change the fact that you will run into them, and
> you have to beat all but one* of the teams you run into if you want to
> make the championships.  I guess we'll see how Tom sets it up.  Good
> luck to all teams.
>
> (*I suppose you could lose 2 games in pool play and still qualify by
> winning out the 2nd place bracket as a 3-seed, or even come out into
> semis with a loss (or two?) in pool play in a big tied pool, so while
> technically you could lose 2 (or 3?) games and still qualify, chances
> are you are looking at 0-1 losses to keep control of your destiny.)
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #949 is a reply to message #947] Mon, 29 September 2008 22:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DK21
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On Sep 29, 11:11 pm, Becky <dbbeque...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So it seems like most everyone thinks that Oh Boy! should be seeded
> above Abusement Park, except for players on....Abusement Park.... just
> saying.

.... but in fairness to AP, Beckified, "everyone" on this thread so far
who have expressed an opinion consists of 6 people from 3(?) total
teams. And who knows what motives those 4/6 folks may have for trying
to keep Abusement in that 6 spot. ;p.
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #961 is a reply to message #949] Mon, 29 September 2008 22:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John.Misra
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On Sep 30, 12:05 am, DK21 <DaveKl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 11:11 pm, Becky <dbbeque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So it seems like most everyone thinks that Oh Boy! should be seeded
> > above Abusement Park, except for players on....Abusement Park.... just
> > saying.
>
> ... but in fairness to AP, Beckified, "everyone" on this thread so far
> who have expressed an opinion consists of 6 people from 3(?) total
> teams.  And who knows what motives those 4/6 folks may have for trying
> to keep Abusement in that 6 spot. ;p.

I believe Becky has taken upon himself to speak for the "silent
majority"

Vote for a Beckified Nation in 2008!
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #975 is a reply to message #947] Tue, 30 September 2008 05:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
scarter829
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Seeding Oh Boy #4, Ice #5 and Park #6 would show that Oh Boy's 1 point
win over Ice in August is more valuable than Park's 2 point win over
Oh Boy in September.

You would effectively be saying Oh Boy has proven they are better than
Ice, but Park has not yet proven then are better than Oh Boy.
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #977 is a reply to message #975] Tue, 30 September 2008 06:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
scarter829
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Here's how I'd seed, this takes into account only tournaments Cooler
or later....

1. Alpha Cobra Squadron (NWP #1) Obvious
2. Peppermint Bon Bon (NWP #2) Obvious
3. One Trick Pony (WP #1) Obvious
4. ICE (WP #2) Finished higher than Oh Boy! at most recent tourney CHC
5. Abusement Park (CEN #1) Beat Oh Boy! at most recent tourney CHC
6. Oh Boy! (NWP #3) Beat Steamboat at CHC
7. Steamboat (EP/MI #1) Beat Hybrid at Sectionals
8. Hybrid (EP/MI #2) Finished higher than Lush at CHC
9. Lush (CEN #2) Haven't beaten anyone higher, haven't lost to anyone
lower
10. Combine (WP #3) Other than Just Liquor haven't played any teams
outside of Sectionals...no idea
11. Gambit (CEN #3) Haven't beaten anyone higher, haven't lost to
anyone lower
12. NURD (CEN #4) Haven't beaten anyone higher, haven't lost to anyone
lower
13. Deathstar Contractors (NWP #4) Haven't beaten anyone higher,
haven't lost to anyone lower
14. Teddy Grumpskins (NWP #5) Haven't beaten anyone higher, haven't
lost to anyone lower
15. Playground Heroes (NWP #6) Haven't beaten anyone higher, haven't
lost to anyone lower
16. Just Liquor (CEN #5) Haven't beaten anyone higher

Again, this takes into tournaments Cooler and after, with CHC results
taking precedence over Cooler results (as it's a bigger tourney and
more recent)

Pool A
Alpha
Hybrid
Combine
Playground

Pool B
Peppermint
Steamboat
Lush
Just Liquor

Pool C
One Trick
Oh Boy!
NURD
Deathstar

Pool D
ICE
Abusement
Gambit
Teddy

This avoids any sectional rematches in pool play. This is a hard
tourney to seed as teams 4-9 have all won and lost to one another.
Thoughts?

Tom Carter
Abusement Park
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #981 is a reply to message #975] Tue, 30 September 2008 06:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
srapson
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On Sep 30, 7:37 am, scarter...@gmail.com wrote:
> Seeding Oh Boy #4, Ice #5 and Park #6 would show that Oh Boy's 1 point
> win over Ice in August is more valuable than Park's 2 point win over
> Oh Boy in September.
>
> You would effectively be saying Oh Boy has proven they are better than
> Ice, but Park has not yet proven then are better than Oh Boy.

Well we could completely disregard the August h2h and go ICE, Park, Oh
Boy.

Basically I don't think ICE should be 6th; it's too low for them given
their season *and* puts them as the two seed in the same pool as OTP,
which seems a touch unfair.
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #989 is a reply to message #981] Tue, 30 September 2008 07:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Caleb
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I agree. ICE should not be the 6th seed based on their more recent
results and to avoid the sectionals rematch with OTP.
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #990 is a reply to message #977] Tue, 30 September 2008 07:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
baumanj
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On Sep 30, 8:26 am, scarter...@gmail.com wrote:
> Here's how I'd seed, this takes into account only tournaments Cooler
> or later....
>
> 1. Alpha Cobra Squadron (NWP #1) Obvious
> 2. Peppermint Bon Bon (NWP #2) Obvious
> 3. One Trick Pony (WP #1) Obvious
> 4. ICE (WP #2) Finished higher than Oh Boy! at most recent tourney CHC
> 5. Abusement Park (CEN #1) Beat Oh Boy! at most recent tourney CHC
> 6. Oh Boy! (NWP #3) Beat Steamboat at CHC
> 7. Steamboat (EP/MI #1) Beat Hybrid at Sectionals
> 8. Hybrid (EP/MI #2) Finished higher than Lush at CHC
> 9. Lush (CEN #2) Haven't beaten anyone higher, haven't lost to anyone
> lower
> 10. Combine (WP #3) Other than Just Liquor haven't played any teams
> outside of Sectionals...no idea
> 11. Gambit (CEN #3) Haven't beaten anyone higher, haven't lost to
> anyone lower
> 12. NURD (CEN #4) Haven't beaten anyone higher, haven't lost to anyone
> lower
> 13. Deathstar Contractors (NWP #4) Haven't beaten anyone higher,
> haven't lost to anyone lower
> 14. Teddy Grumpskins (NWP #5) Haven't beaten anyone higher, haven't
> lost to anyone lower
> 15. Playground Heroes (NWP #6) Haven't beaten anyone higher, haven't
> lost to anyone lower
> 16. Just Liquor (CEN #5) Haven't beaten anyone higher
>
> Again, this takes into tournaments Cooler and after, with CHC results
> taking precedence over Cooler results (as it's a bigger tourney and
> more recent)
>
> Pool A
> Alpha
> Hybrid
> Combine
> Playground
>
> Pool B
> Peppermint
> Steamboat
> Lush
> Just Liquor
>
> Pool C
> One Trick
> Oh Boy!
> NURD
> Deathstar
>
> Pool D
> ICE
> Abusement
> Gambit
> Teddy
>
> This avoids any sectional rematches in pool play. This is a hard
> tourney to seed as teams 4-9 have all won and lost to one another.
> Thoughts?
>
> Tom Carter
> Abusement Park

FYI, Combine is pretty much Soy Nuts, so these results are probably
relevant:
http://upa.org/scores/scores.cgi?div=71&page=3&team= 3775

I'd say anywhere from 10-13 would be reasonable seeding. Deathstar
should be higher than Combine, but there are few data to differentiate
Combine with Gambit/NURD.
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #991 is a reply to message #981] Tue, 30 September 2008 07:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
twoks
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On Sep 30, 8:40 am, srap...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 30, 7:37 am, scarter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Seeding Oh Boy #4, Ice #5 and Park #6 would show that Oh Boy's 1 point
> > win over Ice in August is more valuable than Park's 2 point win over
> > Oh Boy in September.

Inconsistency is everywhere. I see most everyone with Lush at the 9.
and Hybrid around the 8.

Fluke games and fluke days happen. When taking a look at the macro
level, Oh Boy has played stronger opponents much stronger for the most
part, and the math backs that up.

For point of reference, it is my understanding that Combine and Soy
Nuts ( http://upa.org/scores/scores.cgi?div=68&page=3&team= 8523 and
http://upa.org/scores/scores.cgi?div=68&page=3&team= 3775) are the same
team, just renamed after cooler.

-twoks
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #1000 is a reply to message #991] Tue, 30 September 2008 08:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
scarter829
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Last post.

There is no such thing as a fluke game when considering Regional and
National seedings. The only thing that may be considered is previous
results. There is no "Well we didn't have our full team, so that game
shouldn't count." or "Well we just had a bad game against them."

To seed Oh Boy as the 4, ICE as the 5 and Park as the 6, completely
disregards the most recent h2h matchup between any of those teams.

I would seed ICE as the 4, Park as the 5 and Oh Boy as the 6. Which
is the order they finished at CHC.
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #1012 is a reply to message #848] Tue, 30 September 2008 08:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dan
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On Sep 29, 12:56 pm, Hoffdad <dhoffman...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know if its that clear cut...
>
> We beat Oh Boy! and Oh Boy! beat ICE. Emphasis on we beat Oh Boy!
>
> Wouldn't that put us higher than Oh Boy! right there? It was a recent
> win (CHC) and we ended up finishing higher than them at that
> tournament.
>
> We haven't played ICE yet but I have played against them many of times
> (Briefcase and Blah) and i know they are a great team but the fact
> that they lost to Oh Boy! hurts them in this case.
>
> Hoffman
> Abusement Park
>
> p.s. On the front of the jersey is a smiling pink ice cream cone.


Worst.jerseys.ever.

Bake
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #1013 is a reply to message #1000] Tue, 30 September 2008 08:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hoffdad
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Yea the fluke games comment is kind of ridiculous. If we bring into
play the fluke games part then Park (who hasnt had a completely full
team at a tournament yet) had alot of fluke games. Especially since
Hoosier Hodown was a tryout tournament for us and we only had practice
twice before that tournament. And Motown we were missing people. CHC
was mostly our team minus two key players.

I want to say again that i do not want to disrespect ICE and OH Boy!,
i have much respect for both teams. I just believe that there is
Northwest Plains bias if you seed Oh Boy! ahead of us. I just want
the seedings right and fair. Since when does close games against
strong opponents mean that much? Park has a large roster and called
lines to let everyone play in games where we were up. But the point
of the matter is wins and losses. We beat Oh Boy! and finished higher
then them at CHC that should be enough. Calling games fluke wins is
ridiculous. If it turns out that we get seeded 6th and the UPA
approves those seedings then fine, but it was definitely worth the
discussion.

Either way this region has become very strong again which is great.
The amount of good teams in this region is a great thing to see. I
just hope that the two teams that come out of this region show that
strength at nationals. There should be a lot of close and hard fought
games in Milwaukee.

Hoffman
Abusement Park
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #1018 is a reply to message #1013] Tue, 30 September 2008 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Schmitty
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Junior Member
> Calling games fluke wins is
> ridiculous.  If it turns out that we get seeded 6th and the UPA
> approves those seedings then fine, but it was definitely worth the
> discussion.

Having people devote this many words to the 4-6 seeding at Central
Mixed Regionals is ridiculous.

Tom will seed it the best he can. Based on how none of the potential
4-6 has even come close to beating the top two, your efforts would be
better spent figuring a way to get through the 2nd place bracket and
taking one of them down.
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #1026 is a reply to message #1018] Tue, 30 September 2008 09:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dancomono
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While Just Liquor's Vegas odds of defeating Alpha Cobra Squadron in
head-to-head play this weekend are slightly against us, odds for me
pantsing Alex Baker and then de-socking Dan Baker are incredibly high.



"Based on how none of the potential 4-6 has even come close to beating
the top two, your efforts would be better spent figuring a way to get
through the 2nd place bracket and taking one of them down. "

The man raises an excellent point. While we were a upset to appear
here, I hope some other teams (particularly from the CP) step up and
challenge the monopoly of the twin cities on our region right now. We
can't exactly use the cold weather season excuse against teams that
are even closer to Canada than we are...
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #1361 is a reply to message #1013] Thu, 02 October 2008 12:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Skip
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On Sep 30, 10:37 am, Hoffdad <dhoffman...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yea the fluke games comment is kind of ridiculous.  If we bring into
> play the fluke games part then Park (who hasnt had a completely full
> team at a tournament yet) had alot of fluke games.  Especially since
> Hoosier Hodown was a tryout tournament for us and we only had practice
> twice before that tournament.  And Motown we were missing people.  CHC
> was mostly our team minus two key players.
>
> I want to say again that i do not want to disrespect ICE and OH Boy!,
> i have much respect for both teams.  I just believe that there is
> Northwest Plains bias if you seed Oh Boy! ahead of us.  I just want
> the seedings right and fair.  Since when does close games against
> strong opponents mean that much?  Park has a large roster and called
> lines to let everyone play in games where we were up.  But the point
> of the matter is wins and losses. We beat Oh Boy! and finished higher
> then them at CHC that should be enough.  Calling games fluke wins is
> ridiculous.  If it turns out that we get seeded 6th and the UPA
> approves those seedings then fine, but it was definitely worth the
> discussion.
>
> Either way this region has become very strong again which is great.
> The amount of good teams in this region is a great thing to see.  I
> just hope that the two teams that come out of this region show that
> strength at nationals.  There should be a lot of close and hard fought
> games in Milwaukee.
>
> Hoffman
> Abusement Park

Play more tournaments against the real contenders & beat Teddy
Grumpskins by more than two points IMO.
Re: Central Mixed Regionals 2008 [message #1492 is a reply to message #1361] Fri, 03 October 2008 09:03 Go to previous message
larsonbp
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On Oct 2, 2:35 pm, Skip <dsted...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 10:37 am, Hoffdad <dhoffman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Yea the fluke games comment is kind of ridiculous.  If we bring into
> > play the fluke games part then Park (who hasnt had a completely full
> > team at a tournament yet) had alot of fluke games.  Especially since
> > Hoosier Hodown was a tryout tournament for us and we only had practice
> > twice before that tournament.  And Motown we were missing people.  CHC
> > was mostly our team minus two key players.
>
> > I want to say again that i do not want to disrespect ICE and OH Boy!,
> > i have much respect for both teams.  I just believe that there is
> > Northwest Plains bias if you seed Oh Boy! ahead of us.  I just want
> > the seedings right and fair.  Since when does close games against
> > strong opponents mean that much?  Park has a large roster and called
> > lines to let everyone play in games where we were up.  But the point
> > of the matter is wins and losses. We beat Oh Boy! and finished higher
> > then them at CHC that should be enough.  Calling games fluke wins is
> > ridiculous.  If it turns out that we get seeded 6th and the UPA
> > approves those seedings then fine, but it was definitely worth the
> > discussion.
>
> > Either way this region has become very strong again which is great.
> > The amount of good teams in this region is a great thing to see.  I
> > just hope that the two teams that come out of this region show that
> > strength at nationals.  There should be a lot of close and hard fought
> > games in Milwaukee.
>
> > Hoffman
> > Abusement Park
>
> Play more tournaments against the real contenders & beat Teddy
> Grumpskins by more than two points IMO.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The final seedings look good to me. It will be interesting to see
what happens in Pool C. Should be a good weekend.

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