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UPA comes out swingin'! [message #863] Mon, 29 September 2008 11:24 Go to next message
Baer
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Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
It's refreshing to see some input from the UPA on this board. I've
gone after the UPA on here from time to time, but it's good to see
some life out of them with some of the recent postings we've had from
Peri Kurshan and Henry Thorne, as well as Kyle's post responding to
the polling data.

Some of us don't agree with everything they say or do, but I like it
when they come out and play with us, here...

On a related note, as I posted earlier, I had engaged in some
interaction via email with Mike Payne and Sandie Hammerly, and I was
impressed with their responsiveness. Sandie even went out of her way
to send me a message clarifying a point that I had brought up on RSD.

One thing that I've realized in all of this is that the membership
itself (even when we argue about it on RSD) does not seem to reach out
to the UPA very often concerning administrative matters (I was the
first person to ask about the 2008 meeting minutes, 8 months after the
fact). My new personal policy will be to ask questions directly to the
UPA before I spout off on RSD. I would incourage others to do the same
as well.

While we sometimes complain that the UPA doesn't communicate very well
with the membership (I may have complained more than anyone), maybe we
can get them to improve if more of us actually reached out to them as
well. I'm not suggesting that we never criticize the UPA, but I for
one will start contacting them directly for information, in addition
to some of my amateur research.
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #867 is a reply to message #863] Mon, 29 September 2008 12:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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On Sep 29, 2:24 pm, Baer <collin.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It's refreshing to see some input from the UPA on this board. I've
> gone after the UPA on here from time to time, but it's good to see
> some life out of them with some of the recent postings we've had from
> Peri Kurshan and Henry Thorne, as well as Kyle's post responding to
> the polling data.
>
> Some of us don't agree with everything they say or do, but I like it
> when they come out and play with us, here...
>
> On a related note, as I posted earlier, I had engaged in some
> interaction via email with Mike Payne and Sandie Hammerly, and I was
> impressed with their responsiveness. Sandie even went out of her way
> to send me a message clarifying a point that I had brought up on RSD.


did she send ya a copy of the invoice for the ultimate revolution?
--------------------------------------------------
>
> One thing that I've realized in all of this is that the membership
> itself (even when we argue about it on RSD) does not seem to reach out
> to the UPA very often concerning administrative matters


and who's responsibility to fix that disconect? as the leaders of the
organization, i'd say theirs. and they should admit that the ult rev
was a sub par and not cost effective attempt to mend that disconect.
and do another one thats better and dosent cost us as
much........which again was how much????
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(I was the
> first person to ask about the 2008 meeting minutes, 8 months after the
> fact). My new personal policy will be to ask questions directly to the
> UPA before I spout off on RSD. I would incourage others to do the same
> as well.


which is how we found out that they alocated 8K to be spent on our
current logo and spent 3 hours discussing spirit scores.
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>
> While we sometimes complain that the UPA doesn't communicate very well
> with the membership (I may have complained more than anyone), maybe we
> can get them to improve if more of us actually reached out to them as
> well.

that shit aint gonna happen baer.....nor should it have to. its rec
101 for gods sake.
-------------------------------------------------------


I'm not suggesting that we never criticize the UPA, but I for
> one will start contacting them directly for information, in addition
> to some of my amateur research.


well keep us informed on how all that goes
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #878 is a reply to message #863] Mon, 29 September 2008 12:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colinmcintyre
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On Sep 29, 2:24 pm, Baer <collin.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On a related note, as I posted earlier, I had engaged in some
> interaction via email with Mike Payne and Sandie Hammerly, and I was
> impressed with their responsiveness. Sandie even went out of her way
> to send me a message clarifying a point that I had brought up on RSD.

I've had the same good experience contacting various UPA officials as
well as my regional board rep. I just flash my Spirit Zealot card at
the door and they help me however I need. Did you get one of the
limited edition red SZ cards or the standard blue one?

Colin
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #881 is a reply to message #863] Mon, 29 September 2008 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
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Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
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On Sep 29, 11:24 am, Baer <collin.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It's refreshing to see some input from the UPA on this board. I've
> gone after the UPA on here from time to time, but it's good to see
> some life out of them with some of the recent postings we've had from
> Peri Kurshan and Henry Thorne, as well as Kyle's post responding to
> the polling data.
>
> Some of us don't agree with everything they say or do, but I like it
> when they come out and play with us, here...
>
> On a related note, as I posted earlier, I had engaged in some
> interaction via email with Mike Payne and Sandie Hammerly, and I was
> impressed with their responsiveness. Sandie even went out of her way
> to send me a message clarifying a point that I had brought up on RSD.
>
> One thing that I've realized in all of this is that the membership
> itself (even when we argue about it on RSD) does not seem to reach out
> to the UPA very often concerning administrative matters (I was the
> first person to ask about the 2008 meeting minutes, 8 months after the
> fact). My new personal policy will be to ask questions directly to the
> UPA before I spout off on RSD. I would incourage others to do the same
> as well.
>
> While we sometimes complain that the UPA doesn't communicate very well
> with the membership (I may have complained more than anyone), maybe we
> can get them to improve if more of us actually reached out to them as
> well. I'm not suggesting that we never criticize the UPA, but I for
> one will start contacting them directly for information, in addition
> to some of my amateur research.

IMO, the great majority of UPA members are not very interested in the
workings of the UPA. They want to play Ultimate, and tournaments
supported by the UPA are scheduled and run on-time and reasonably
well. Unless problems start to pop up (which they haven't in the past
many years), I doubt if most of the members care what goes on at the
Board and Staff levels. I'm disappointed that more are not interested,
but I suspect it indicates most of the members are satisfied with what
they get for their money.

The one risk in the general memberships' lack of involvement is in
membership voting. The only member-wide vote now held in the UPA is
for Board members. A bloc of friends could possibly get a friend
elected even if that candidate's statement would probably not be
preferred by the majority.

Unfortunately all of the discussion on rsd recently will IMO have
little impact on how many members vote since most members do not read
rsd. I would hope that more is included in the quarterly magazine in
the future about the candidates, which would mean changing the
election calendar a bit.
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #885 is a reply to message #881] Mon, 29 September 2008 13:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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On Sep 29, 4:01 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> IMO, the great majority of UPA members are not very interested in the
> workings of the UPA.

that dosent mean they shouldnt still be accurately
represented.......and that you guys can push your own personal agendas
based on your projections of what the membership wants. That where
its up to you to go drag that info out of em.
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They want to play Ultimate, and tournaments
> supported by the UPA are scheduled and run on-time and reasonably
> well.

they also want an upgraded observer system and to see a marketable
seried of showcaseable ultimate.
------------------------------------------------------------




Unless problems start to pop up (which they haven't in the past
> many years), I doubt if most of the members care what goes on at the
> Board and Staff levels.


so youve lulled the membership into a state of apathy.....and now you
got em (and their money) right where you want them, unh?.
------------------------------------------------------------ -



I'm disappointed that more are not interested,
> but I suspect it indicates most of the members are satisfied with what
> they get for their money.

now THAT is a fucked up attitude for an administrative representative
to have about his paying membership.
------------------------------------------------------------ -----
>
> The one risk in the general memberships' lack of involvement is in
> membership voting. The only member-wide vote now held in the UPA is
> for Board members. A bloc of friends could possibly get a friend
> elected even if that candidate's statement would probably not be
> preferred by the majority.


which is probably how you got on board.
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------
>
> Unfortunately all of the discussion on rsd recently will IMO have
> little impact on how many members vote since most members do not read
> rsd.

then why you wastin your time with it?
------------------------------------------------------------



I would hope that more is included in the quarterly magazine in
> the future about the candidates, which would mean changing the
> election calendar a bit.

maybe voting should be made manditory with annualy survey and
regestration???
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #891 is a reply to message #885] Mon, 29 September 2008 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
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On Sep 29, 1:29 pm, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
> maybe voting should be made manditory with annualy survey and
> regestration???

Out of curiosity, could you offer a guess as to why mandatory voting
laws are incredibly rare amongst industrialized democracies?

As a follow-up question, imagine I were to find myself some fellow who
can't bother himself to get off his ass and vote for POTUS once every
four years. Would you expect that my new-found friend would have,
ceteris paribus, more, less or the same amount of insight than some
random voter wrt our current financial crisis?

Stepping back a bit, if democracy is a means and maximum social
utility is the end, what is the expected value one might coerce out of
those who do not willingly present their preferences when freely
allowed, nay invited, to do so?

More practically, if some dude is signing up every year and paying his
dues but has no interest in surveys or voting, who am I to force him
to so? Why can't I just leave the invitation out there should he ever
change his mind and otherwise respect his decision?

~p
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #896 is a reply to message #891] Mon, 29 September 2008 15:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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Registered: September 2008
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On Sep 29, 6:06 pm, "MrPi...@gmail.com" <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 1:29 pm, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
>
> > maybe voting should be made manditory with annualy survey and
> > regestration???
>
> Out of curiosity, could you offer a guess as to why mandatory voting
> laws are incredibly rare amongst industrialized democracies?

is that what ulimate is???....an industrialized democracy?
----------------------------------------------------------
>
> More practically, if some dude is signing up every year and paying his
> dues but has no interest in surveys or voting, who am I to force him
> to so?

the same person forcing him to pay 40 bucks.
-------------------------------------------------


 Why can't I just leave the invitation out there should he ever
> change his mind and otherwise respect his decision?

ok then make it optional, but at least do it in a way that there is a
convenient process that can take place when you are "requiring" name,
email address and his money. make an efficient lil chart of who the
incubants are and where they stand on the issues thats right there so
he can make an informed desision.
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #901 is a reply to message #863] Mon, 29 September 2008 16:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Leonardo
Messages: 101
Registered: September 2008
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On Sep 29, 2:24 pm, Baer <collin.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It's refreshing to see some input from the UPA on this board. I've
> gone after the UPA on here from time to time, but it's good to see
> some life out of them with some of the recent postings we've had from
> Peri Kurshan and Henry Thorne, as well as Kyle's post responding to
> the polling data.
>

Kyle, Henry, Joe Seidler (when he was on the board) Peri, Jim
Parinella, Josh seamon, Will Deaver and MANY others on the UPA have
frequently used RSD as a forum to respond. I'm not even necessarily a
supporter of the UPA but before you write "its good to see some life
out of them" perhaps you ought to do more research.

> While we sometimes complain that the UPA doesn't communicate very well
> with the membership (I may have complained more than anyone),

You are not alone in complaining. Count me in that category and tons
more on RSD. But again: a look back at 10+ years of rsd (or in some
cases, 15) will show lots of complaining and also lots of UPA
responsiveness. I would particularly like to give credit to the UPA
for the last 7-8 years when they have worked hard at being in tune to
the vagaries of RSD and other outlets. I'd say they were not very
receptive for the first 8 years of RSD or so.

On the other hand it is absolutely impossible to criticize the UPA
with any regards to RSD due to the withering complaints, posturing,
belligerence, misinformation and general verbal spew put forth by
RSDenizens like you-know-who (two personalities in the current
incarnation of RSD babble come to mind). Such scattered backtalk and
repetitive ranting have repeatedly taken its toll on all of us, most
of all UPA folks.

Tony
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #908 is a reply to message #901] Mon, 29 September 2008 16:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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On Sep 29, 7:10 pm, Leonardo <mistermalcont...@gmail.com> wrote:

.. Such scattered backtalk and
> repetitive ranting have repeatedly taken its toll on all of us, most
> of all UPA folks.



well if they aint got the spine to face valid critisisms then maybe
they should step down.
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #909 is a reply to message #878] Mon, 29 September 2008 16:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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On Sep 29, 3:56 pm, "colinmcint...@gmail.com"
<colinmcint...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 2:24 pm, Baer <collin.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On a related note, as I posted earlier, I had engaged in some
> > interaction via email with Mike Payne and Sandie Hammerly, and I was
> > impressed with their responsiveness. Sandie even went out of her way
> > to send me a message clarifying a point that I had brought up on RSD.
>
> I've had the same good experience contacting various UPA officials as
> well as my regional board rep.  I just flash my Spirit Zealot card at
> the door and they help me however I need.  Did you get one of the
> limited edition red SZ cards or the standard blue one?
>
> Colin

no wonder they are blowing me off......i'm not a card holder
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #910 is a reply to message #901] Mon, 29 September 2008 16:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Douglas T Lilley
Messages: 674
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On Sep 29, 7:10 pm, Leonardo <mistermalcont...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 2:24 pm, Baer <collin.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > It's refreshing to see some input from the UPA on this board. I've
> > gone after the UPA on here from time to time, but it's good to see
> > some life out of them with some of the recent postings we've had from
> > Peri Kurshan and Henry Thorne, as well as Kyle's post responding to
> > the polling data.
>
> Kyle, Henry, Joe Seidler (when he was on the board) Peri, Jim
> Parinella, Josh seamon, Will Deaver and MANY others on the UPA have
> frequently used RSD as a forum to respond. I'm not even necessarily a
> supporter of the UPA but before you write "its good to see some life
> out of them" perhaps you ought to do more research.
>
> > While we sometimes complain that the UPA doesn't communicate very well
> > with the membership (I may have complained more than anyone),
>
> You are not alone in complaining. Count me in that category and tons
> more on RSD. But again: a look back at 10+ years of rsd (or in some
> cases, 15) will show lots of complaining and also lots of UPA
> responsiveness. I would particularly like to give credit to the UPA
> for the last 7-8 years when they have worked hard at being in tune to
> the vagaries of RSD and other outlets. I'd say they were not very
> receptive for the first 8 years of RSD or so.
>
> On the other hand it is absolutely impossible to criticize the UPA
> with any regards to RSD due to the withering complaints, posturing,
> belligerence, misinformation and general verbal spew put forth by
> RSDenizens like you-know-who (two personalities in the current
> incarnation of RSD babble come to mind). Such scattered backtalk and
> repetitive ranting have repeatedly taken its toll on all of us, most
> of all UPA folks.
>
> Tony


I don't go back as far as you do on rsd Tony but I agree with Baer
that this apparent recent upsurge in posting on rsd by UPA board
members is a very positive, welcome development. They are to be
applauded for ignoring the self indulgent anti UPA zealots and making
the effort to repond to the rabble (that's us!). There is no better
way to counter the anti UPA ranting (which, as we know, originates
from very few people) than to do exactly what they've done, which is
utilize this forum to address issues raised by people who are actually
interested in exchange of opinions and information. Bravo!
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #916 is a reply to message #910] Mon, 29 September 2008 17:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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On Sep 29, 7:48 pm, Douglas T Lilley <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Tony
>
> I don't go back as far as you do on rsd Tony but I agree with Baer
> that this apparent recent upsurge in posting on rsd by UPA board
> members is a very positive, welcome development.

even though its all in a desperate attempt to not lose their foothold
on their archaic and traditionalist philosophies????

and do you really think you'll hear a peep out of em once they are
elected???
------------------------------------------------------



 They are to be
> applauded for ignoring the self indulgent  anti UPA zealots and making
> the effort to repond to the rabble (that's us!).

they havent responded to too much of my rabble.
---------------------------------------------------

  There is no better
> way to counter the anti UPA ranting (which, as we know, originates
> from very few people) than to do exactly what they've done, which is
> utilize this forum to address issues raised by people who are actually
> interested in exchange of opinions and information.

just so long as they exchange some information pertaining to the final
expense of the ult rev. thats not askin too much is it?



 
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #917 is a reply to message #901] Mon, 29 September 2008 17:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
Messages: 601
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> On the other hand it is absolutely impossible to criticize the UPA
> with any regards to RSD due to the withering complaints, posturing,
> belligerence, misinformation and general verbal spew put forth by
> RSDenizens like you-know-who (two personalities in the current
> incarnation of RSD babble come to mind). Such scattered backtalk and
> repetitive ranting have repeatedly taken its toll on all of us, most
> of all UPA folks.

Seconded. If ever there were sign of UPA admin intelligence, it would
be in the clear-headed choice to avoid the swampy backwaters of RSD.
I don't think you'll find McCain or Obama battling it out in the
comments at LGF or HuffPo... =)

~p
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #918 is a reply to message #908] Mon, 29 September 2008 17:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
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On Sep 29, 4:36 pm, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:

> well if they aint got the spine to face valid critisisms then maybe
> they should step down.

Dude, most of your criticisms are not only logically invalid, they're
not even valid English.

~p
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #919 is a reply to message #896] Mon, 29 September 2008 17:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
Messages: 601
Registered: September 2008
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On Sep 29, 3:29 pm, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
> > Out of curiosity, could you offer a guess as to why mandatory voting
> > laws are incredibly rare amongst industrialized democracies?
>
> is that what ulimate is???....an industrialized democracy?

What? No... but democratic process is democratic process. I'm
suggesting that we might be able to learn something by evaluating a
similar yet distinct case...

> > More practically, if some dude is signing up every year and paying his
> > dues but has no interest in surveys or voting, who am I to force him
> > to so?
>
> the same person forcing him to pay 40 bucks.

Alright, so force was a strong word, but if he wants to pay me and
leave it at that, why should I demand that he spend more time and
effort answering questions that he doesn't care to answer?

~p
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #922 is a reply to message #916] Mon, 29 September 2008 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
Messages: 601
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On Sep 29, 5:03 pm, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:

> even though its all in a desperate attempt to not lose their foothold
> on their archaic and traditionalist philosophies????

The curse of the fanatic: in order to mobilize, you've got to cast
your enemy as omnipotent, but if they're omnipotent, then what's the
use? I.e., if they had a foothold, why would they be desperate?

>  They are to be
> > applauded for ignoring the self indulgent  anti UPA zealots and making
> > the effort to repond to the rabble (that's us!).
>
> they havent responded to too much of my rabble.

As noted, that's a good thing. What good can come of responding to
you? I can't figure it out, and surely if anyone were to know, it'd
be me! =)

> just so long as they exchange some information pertaining to the final
> expense of the ult rev.  thats not askin too much is it?

Dude, you're a hater. Haters hate. Just because it's your issue of
the day (heck, I'm kinda interested myself), doesn't mean it'll be the
issue of tomorrow. They could give you that info, give you refs, and
give you a fucking pro league that pwned the NFL for numbers and you'd
still spout shit, because that's what haters do. Fish gotta swim,
etc. Don't think you'll fool anyone into appeasement dude.

~p
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #935 is a reply to message #918] Mon, 29 September 2008 19:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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On Sep 29, 8:18 pm, "MrPi...@gmail.com" <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:.
>
> Dude, most of your criticisms are not only logically invalid, they're
> not even valid English.


kd and Hh seem to be able to interpret what i say
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #936 is a reply to message #919] Mon, 29 September 2008 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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On Sep 29, 8:15 pm, "MrPi...@gmail.com" <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Alright, so force was a strong word, but if he wants to pay me and
> leave it at that, why should I demand that he spend more time and
> effort answering questions that he doesn't care to answer?


i think they computerize it so the regesrtation dosent go thru unless
all the info is filled out.
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #937 is a reply to message #922] Mon, 29 September 2008 19:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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On Sep 29, 8:22 pm, "MrPi...@gmail.com" <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 5:03 pm, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
>
> use?  I.e., if they had a foothold, why would they be desperate?


because its slipping away......and theres nuthin they will be able to
do to stop it.
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>
> As noted, that's a good thing.  What good can come of responding to
> you?

knowing how much of our money they spent on the ult rev.
----------------------------------------------------




 I can't figure it out, and surely if anyone were to know, it'd
> be me! =)


obviously not
---------------------------------------------------
>
> Dude, you're a hater.  Haters hate.  Just because it's your issue of
> the day (heck, I'm kinda interested myself), doesn't mean it'll be the
> issue of tomorrow.

how they spend our money is an issue EVERY DAY!
-----------------------------------------------------------



 They could give you that info, give you refs, and
> give you a fucking pro league that pwned the NFL for numbers and you'd
> still spout shit

No i wouldnt, id simply humbly accept the credit and any type of
financial bonus that was offered.
------------------------------------------------------------ ------



, because that's what haters do.  Fish gotta swim,
> etc.  Don't think you'll fool anyone into appeasement dude.


i guess we'll find that out once the votes come out
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #974 is a reply to message #917] Tue, 30 September 2008 05:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jeff
Messages: 338
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
Actually, the UPA should use RSD on occassion to try to reach out to
the larger Ultimate community. And it should look around to see what
kind of things people are talking about regarding the sport (that
being said there have been references to the BoD discussions being
read and if you are raising a legitimate question you may be contacted
by the UPA). Yes, there are a ton of playground politics and
grandstanding going on ... but like everything you have to wade
through the crap and bullshit to find one or two things that you have
not found before ... someone from the UPA should be reading the blogs,
RSD and other media on a semi-regular basis to keep an ear to the
ground. Back in the day clipping services made a healthy living by
photocopying articles from the Podunk Picayune Times Standard and
selling them to business and political organizations


On Sep 29, 8:17�pm, "MrPi...@gmail.com" <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On the other hand it is absolutely impossible to criticize the UPA
> > with any regards to RSD due to the withering complaints, posturing,
> > belligerence, misinformation and general verbal spew put forth by
> > RSDenizens like you-know-who (two personalities in the current
> > incarnation of RSD babble come to mind). Such scattered backtalk and
> > repetitive ranting have repeatedly taken its toll on all of us, most
> > of all UPA folks.
>
> Seconded. �If ever there were sign of UPA admin intelligence, it would
> be in the clear-headed choice to avoid the swampy backwaters of RSD.
> I don't think you'll find McCain or Obama battling it out in the
> comments at LGF or HuffPo... =)
>
> � � �~p
Re: UPA comes out swingin'! [message #982 is a reply to message #974] Tue, 30 September 2008 06:44 Go to previous message
joadntoad
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Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Sep 30, 8:23 am, Jeff <Jffr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, the UPA should use RSD on occassion to try to reach out to
> the larger Ultimate community.

word.....rds is a tool. its up to the upa to learn how to use it.
just like its up to them to learn how to do more convienent, efficient
and cost effective "needs and wants assessments" so to better
understand how to properly SERVE it membership.
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 And it should look around to see what
> kind of things people are talking about regarding the sport (that
> being said there have been references to the BoD discussions being
> read and if you are raising a legitimate question you may be contacted
> by the UPA).

selective response???? but only when they are the defense it seems.
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 Yes, there are a ton of playground politics and
> grandstanding going on ... but like everything you have to wade
> through the crap and bullshit to find one or two things that you have
> not found before ... someone from the UPA should be reading the blogs,
> RSD and other media on a semi-regular basis to keep an ear to the
> ground.

oh they are reading this stuff, dont let em fool ya. they do a good
job at playin dumb when it suits them. back in the day when someone
offered a complaint or suggestion their generic response was "hey, the
U in UPA, stands for YOU".....which basically meant "get off your own
ass and do it your self if your gonna complain". i guess with all the
cash flow they got goin on now theyve become kind of secretive and
hordish in their decision and policy making.......not to mention their
spending.


STILL WAITING ON THOSE FIGURES FROM THE ULT REV!!!!!!
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