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USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #83978] Thu, 16 December 2010 01:50 Go to next message
JBabbino
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Hello All,

I am not sure what it used to cost for a non college player but I know the last few years it has been only $30 to register yourself for the upcoming year under the UPA. So they become USA Ultimate and they raise that shit $20 (Now $50 a year). Anybody have an idea why the organization "helping" the sport of Ultimate is making it harder for college players to play? We already have loans and owe the schools a bunch of money. This will make it even harder to recruit new players. "Yeah come play Frisbee with our team you only have to pay $50 to become a member." Doesn't USA Ultimate want to keep increasing there number of members each year??? I am pretty ticked off right now, is anybody else?

- Babb$
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #83989 is a reply to message #83978] Thu, 16 December 2010 05:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> I am not sure what it used to cost for a non college player
> but I know the last few years it has been only $30 to
> register yourself for the upcoming year under the UPA. So
> they become USA Ultimate and they raise that shit $20 (Now
> $50 a year). Anybody have an idea why the organization
> "helping" the sport of Ultimate is making it harder for
> college players to play? We already have loans and owe the
> schools a bunch of money. This will make it even harder to
> recruit new players. "Yeah come play Frisbee with our team
> you only have to pay $50 to become a member." Doesn't USA
> Ultimate want to keep increasing there number of members
> each year??? I am pretty ticked off right now, is anybody
> else?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--don't become a member of an organization!
play UOA Ultimate instead!
entry fees get you the best college ultimate experience you can
possibly enjoy!!!

we are hosting 4 events in the spring, plus the UOA B Team National
Championship.
Feb 26-27
March 12-13
March 26-27
April 2-3

Pay attention for our UOA Fall College Season....Conference
Tournaments and the UOA National Championship....

If you're interested in any of our events...contact me directly
Mike Gerics
UOA
agerics20 at yahoo dot com

THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES!!!!
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #83991 is a reply to message #83989] Thu, 16 December 2010 06:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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Joe...

I totally understand what you are saying. $50 is a bit of a chunk.

But hey...these are pretty insane times for all...including non-
profits. About 18 months back the largest jazz educators association
in the U.S. went belly up due to $$ trouble.
Apple and oranges maybe...but it came to mind.

I'm guessing USA Ultimate truly needs the cash. Maybe they'll wow you
with a production in the near future.

Just my few cents.

Peter Mc
Columbia, Mo.
off and on member since 1981
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #83995 is a reply to message #83991] Thu, 16 December 2010 07:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mgd.mitch
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i don't get the idea that USA ultimate is bleeding cash or anything. I do know that any plans to grow the sport to a higher level are going to cost some money, and I also know that the old fees were pretty cheap compared to other sports' governing bodies. price increases always suck for the customer, but i think we've had it good for quite a while. to put things in perspective, in the early and mid 90's, I believe i paid $35 UPA annual fees to play in the college series. $30 15 years later for a better series was a bargain.
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #83996 is a reply to message #83995] Thu, 16 December 2010 08:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mvuong
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I remember when I was in college, ultimate had one of the lowest costs of entry of any of the other club sports. Even including dues, we came nothing close to the amount lacrosse, water polo, or even soccer paid to play club at the college. A $20 increase won't affect your recruiting that much. If it does, how were you affording to even go to tournaments?
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #83997 is a reply to message #83996] Thu, 16 December 2010 08:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> I remember when I was in college, ultimate had one of the
> lowest costs of entry of any of the other club sports.  Even
> including dues, we came nothing close to the amount
> lacrosse, water polo, or even soccer paid to play club at
> the college.  A $20 increase won't affect your recruiting
> that much.  If it does, how were you affording to even go to
> tournaments?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---what do you mean by 'cost of entry of any of the other club
sports'?

are you talking about your team dues?
or did you have to pay club sports to play for a club sports team?

what does lax and water polo and soccer 'pay for'?.....equipment,
goals, nets, a swimming pool, scoreboards, lifeguards, refs?
what does ultimate 'pay for'....8 cones?

when you sign up to play club lax, do you pay a national governing
body in order to compete in a national series?
same question for water polo and soccer, i suppose.

i don't think uncw club soccer has ever competed in a national
series...have they?...i don't know.
do any club soccer teams play in a national series?
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #83998 is a reply to message #83997] Thu, 16 December 2010 08:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mvuong
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agerics20 wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 11:43
>

---what do you mean by 'cost of entry of any of the other club
sports'?

are you talking about your team dues?
or did you have to pay club sports to play for a club sports team?

what does lax and water polo and soccer 'pay for'?.....equipment,
goals, nets, a swimming pool, scoreboards, lifeguards, refs?
what does ultimate 'pay for'....8 cones?

when you sign up to play club lax, do you pay a national governing
body in order to compete in a national series?
same question for water polo and soccer, i suppose.

i don't think uncw club soccer has ever competed in a national
series...have they?...i don't know.
do any club soccer teams play in a national series?


I remember that soccer used to pay for a local league they would play in as well as a regional league. Rugby would do the same. I'm not even counting equipment costs when I talk about cost of entry since I assumed that most of these players would have all their personal gear. Most of the club sports that I'm aware of paid dues to get into a national/regional series/league.

How else do you cover overhead for the people running a national/regional series?
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #83999 is a reply to message #83997] Thu, 16 December 2010 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mgd.mitch
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usa swimming, cycling, etc all have national dues if you want to compete in their series. I don't see a problem with dues whatsoever as long as they are providing something (insurance, training info, rule publications and updates, events, marketing the sport, etc, etc).
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84002 is a reply to message #83978] Thu, 16 December 2010 10:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colinmcintyre
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Babb$, you can read about the discussion of increasing membership dues in the June Board Meeting Minutes, starting on page 5. There's discussion of costs, history of dues structure and past budgets, USAU dues compared to dues of other sports' national governing bodies, and some other points.

http://www.usaultimate.org/assets/1/Page/USAU%20June%202010% 20Board%20of%20Directors%20Meeting%20-%20Final%20Version.pdf

I've definitely paid more than $50 and received far less from national governing bodies in other sports.
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84009 is a reply to message #84002] Thu, 16 December 2010 12:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
H
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I think the pertinent question is: can we expect a 40% increase in service or quality or whatever the UPA does?
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84011 is a reply to message #84009] Thu, 16 December 2010 12:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jeremy.mcnamara
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H wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 15:30
I think the pertinent question is: can we expect a 40% increase in service or quality or whatever the UPA does?


I don't remember if it used to be $30 or not, but a increase from $30 to $50 would be a 67% increase, not 40%. I can assure you that you will not get a 67% increase in service or quality.

j mac
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84012 is a reply to message #84009] Thu, 16 December 2010 12:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mgd.mitch
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H wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 15:30
I think the pertinent question is: can we expect a 40% increase in service or quality or whatever the UPA does?
Not exactly the only question.... Did USAU previously give a comparable amount of service for their price compared to other governing bodies?

Say there were only 3 sports: swimming, lacrosse, and ultimate, each governed by "USA _____". Say swimming charges $50 a year, lacrosse $200 a year, and ultimate $30 a year. Say swimming and ultimate provide identical value of service, while lacrosse offers incredible benefits worth 4 times the other two sports' governing body services. It would be completely reasonable for USA Ultimate to raise prices to $50 without any increase in benefit as it would merely bring them up to market value for their services.

Now, all that is hypothetical, I am not saying what the value is in the real world whatsoever, I'm just pointing out that it's entirely possible to have a merited price increase without any increase in service. Personally, after college, i didn't maintain my membership for ~20 years since I didn't see enough value in it. I only rejoined so I could get certified as an observer.
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84014 is a reply to message #84012] Thu, 16 December 2010 13:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> Not exactly the only question....  Did USAU previously give
> a comparable amount of service for their price compared to
> other governing bodies?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--i'm not sure why.......why should the upsa be compared to other
governing bodies?

why try to compare its dues to soccer or water polo or any other
governing body?

does swimming have timers and officials at their lowest levels of
comp?...i bet they do.
does lax have officials at their lowest levels of comp?...i bet they
do.

does swimming have the lane ropes in place for their lowest levels of
comp?...i bet they do.
does lax have lined fields for their lowest levels of comp?....i bet
they do.

why bother to compare?
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84015 is a reply to message #84014] Thu, 16 December 2010 13:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
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Don't college players only pay the $30/$50/year fee if they want to participate in the series and/or events that include USAU insurance?

If so, $30/yr is too low, and asking them to pay the adult rate to participate ($50/yr) seems fair to me.

As Mike wrote, you can choose to participate in other tournaments (UOA or team sponsored) without being a USAU member.

Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84016 is a reply to message #84014] Thu, 16 December 2010 13:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mgd.mitch
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agerics20 wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 16:06
> Not exactly the only question....  Did USAU previously give
> a comparable amount of service for their price compared to
> other governing bodies?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--i'm not sure why.......why should the upsa be compared to other
governing bodies?

why try to compare its dues to soccer or water polo or any other
governing body?
why bother to compare the price of a Samsung TV to a Panasonic TV? Competition determines market value. Why shouldn't a governing body be able to charge a competitive price?

I think this discussion should be focused on the actual value of USAU membership, not a change in price or change in value. What to people want and what are they willing to pay for it?
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84018 is a reply to message #84016] Thu, 16 December 2010 13:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> why bother to compare the price of a Samsung TV to a
> Panasonic TV?  Competition determines market value. Why
> shouldn't a governing body be able to charge a competitive
> price?


---sooo......you're saying that because the upsa dues are going
up....folks are going to need to decide between ultimate and swimming?
i thought the thread was about if the increased dues would result in
increased benefits....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I think this discussion should be focused on the actual
> value of USAU membership, not a change in price or change in
> value.  What to people want and what are they willing to pay
> for it?


---yeah....that's why i asked 'why compare upsa dues to other sports
fees?'
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84019 is a reply to message #83978] Thu, 16 December 2010 13:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Handy
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Look into the costs of other sports. USA Rugby is ~$300 to play, usually just one season (fall or spring). Your USAU dues cover you for the college AND club series. This is still a fantastic deal.
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84021 is a reply to message #83997] Thu, 16 December 2010 14:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Handy
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>what does lax and water polo and soccer 'pay for'?.....equipment,
>goals, nets, a swimming pool, scoreboards, lifeguards, refs?
>what does ultimate 'pay for'....8 cones?

Fields are a tremendous expense for many teams. Also, the administrative duties (confirming rosters, organizing a national network of events, etc...) far outweigh the costs of the refs and etc... in any sport.
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84022 is a reply to message #84018] Thu, 16 December 2010 14:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
whosonfirst
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No, he's saying that USAU membership should be priced accordingly with it's value. If it's currently undervalued, then USAU is justified in raising prices.

The example he uses merely demonstrates a way of determining if USA Ultimate membership is incorrectly priced.
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84023 is a reply to message #84018] Thu, 16 December 2010 14:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mvuong
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agerics20 wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 16:43
>

---sooo......you're saying that because the upsa dues are going
up....folks are going to need to decide between ultimate and swimming?
i thought the thread was about if the increased dues would result in
increased benefits....


---yeah....that's why i asked 'why compare upsa dues to other sports
fees?'


That is what mitch is saying. Increased dues do not need to result in increased benefits if the benefits already present far outweighed what was being paid. If similar governing bodies offered similar services at a higher price, it makes sense to raise prices to get more revenue while maintaining competitive services.

agerics20
does swimming have timers and officials at their lowest levels of
comp?...i bet they do.
does lax have officials at their lowest levels of comp?...i bet they do.


The governing body also does not provide these at the lowest levels of competition. They certify these officials and those throwing a meet or a game are required to pay these officials and schedule so that these officials are able to be there.

The USUA does provide certification just like these other governing bodies. It is the tournaments themselves that say its not worth the expense or time of getting these officials.
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84024 is a reply to message #84018] Thu, 16 December 2010 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Handy
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>---yeah....that's why i asked 'why compare upsa dues to other >sports
>fees?'

Your impressive lack of understanding of basic pricing strategy and market value isn't a problem... unless you decide to open your mouth about it.

The cost analysis has little to do with a consumer choosing one product over another, but rather analyzing the potential offered benefits, e.g. a national structure, a series of codified official events between schools or teams, coaching certification, an observer program, community outreach and identifying based against other similar offering by other companies (or in this case, sport governing bodies) what the fair market value is.

Any company or nonprofit could do better work with more money. So if fair market value is 40% higher than what you're charging right now, you're a fool to keep charging so little. If it negatively affects your membership numbers, recalibrate, but based on other sports' pricing it's safe to project that it won't (as long as your original assessment of provided value was accurate).

And if you don't understand any of that, well that's just fine, but moving forward in this thread how about you just spare everyone having to read your uneducated blather.
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84025 is a reply to message #84024] Thu, 16 December 2010 14:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jeremy.mcnamara
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On Dec 16, 5:10 pm, Handy <Xck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >---yeah....that's why i asked 'why compare upsa dues to
> other >sports
> >fees?'
>
> Your impressive lack of understanding of basic pricing
> strategy and market value isn't a problem... unless you
> decide to open your mouth about it.
>
> The cost analysis has little to do with a consumer choosing
> one product over another, but rather analyzing the potential
> offered benefits, e.g. a national structure, a series of
> codified official events between schools or teams, coaching
> certification, an observer program, community outreach and
> identifying based against other similar offering by other
> companies (or in this case, sport governing bodies) what the
> fair market value is.
>
> Any company or nonprofit could do better work with more
> money.  So if fair market value is 40% higher than what
> you're charging right now, you're a fool to keep charging so
> little.  If it negatively affects your membership numbers,
> recalibrate, but based on other sports' pricing it's safe to
> project that it won't (as long as your original assessment
> of provided value was accurate).
>
> And if you don't understand any of that, well that's just
> fine, but moving forward in this thread how about you just
> spare everyone having to read your uneducated blather.
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com

Again, it's not 40%, its 67%.

If I read this right though, you are saying that the huge increase
should result in "better work." How would you quantify that to
determine if it is better? I know that as a low-mid level player in
college and club, I personally haven't gotten anything additional in
terms of value between 2003 and now but my rates have doubled.

As another thought, once you reach the point of diminishing returns,
you are no longer raising prices to provide "better work," you are
just being greedy. If the increase in price doesn't result in an
increase in value to the player, regardless of "market value," then
you are just an asshole.

j mac

j mac
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84026 is a reply to message #84024] Thu, 16 December 2010 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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Hey UOA Fanelli,

Applying direct pressure to that wound is the first step to stopping
blood loss UOA Fanelli.


Peter Mc
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84028 is a reply to message #84025] Thu, 16 December 2010 14:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mvuong
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jeremy.mcnamara wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 17:19
On Dec 16, 5:10 pm, Handy <Xck...@hotmail.com[/email]> wrote:

Again, it's not 40%, its 67%.

If I read this right though, you are saying that the huge increase
should result in "better work." How would you quantify that to
determine if it is better? I know that as a low-mid level player in
college and club, I personally haven't gotten anything additional in
terms of value between 2003 and now but my rates have doubled.

As another thought, once you reach the point of diminishing returns,
you are no longer raising prices to provide "better work," you are
just being greedy. If the increase in price doesn't result in an
increase in value to the player, regardless of "market value," then
you are just an asshole.

j mac

j mac


He is not saying that at all. He is saying the USUA or any company for that matter can always use extra money for what they need to do. This applies even more to not-for-profits.

He is saying that what you have been paying since 2003 has been under market value for what you have been getting. Raising the price to fair market value means the benefits you do receive are now in line with what other governing bodies give you. You are not getting 67% more of anything, you are just now receiving 100% of what your due is worth instead of 150% (or whatever that number would be).
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84029 is a reply to message #84026] Thu, 16 December 2010 14:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> Applying direct pressure to that wound is the first step to stopping
> blood loss UOA Fanelli.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---what blood?
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84030 is a reply to message #84025] Thu, 16 December 2010 14:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Handy
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j mac, I was quoting someone else on the 40%, you are totally right about the number now that I looked at it, mea culpa.

However, I never said anything about "better work," please refer to the poster beneath yours in reference to what I was saying.

Handy
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84031 is a reply to message #84025] Thu, 16 December 2010 14:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> As another thought, once you reach the point of diminishing returns,
> you are no longer raising prices to provide "better work," you are
> just being greedy.  If the increase in price doesn't result in an
> increase in value to the player, regardless of "market value," then
> you are just an asshole.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--he called ya'll assholes.
nice.
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84032 is a reply to message #84023] Thu, 16 December 2010 14:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> > does swimming have timers and officials at their lowest
> > levels of
> > comp?...i bet they do.
> > does lax have officials at their lowest levels of
> > comp?...i bet they do.
>
> The governing body also does not provide these at the lowest
> levels of competition.  They certify these officials and
> those throwing a meet or a game are required to pay these
> officials and schedule so that these officials are able to
> be there.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---excellent.....
so....the upsa DOESN'T supply officials, but rather, certifies enough
to have NO game officials on site for most of the lowest levels of
comp.
great.
that's why i was asking.
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84033 is a reply to message #84011] Thu, 16 December 2010 14:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colinmcintyre
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jeremy.mcnamara wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 15:41

I don't remember if it used to be $30 or not, but a increase from $30 to $50 would be a 67% increase, not 40%. I can assure you that you will not get a 67% increase in service or quality.


Speaking unofficially and without any insider knowledge or authority, and not really directly in response to J-Mac...

I really encourage you all to read the June 2010 Board Meeting Minutes, beginning on page 5, for a better perspective on this decision.

The $30 college rate was a discounted rate from the $40 regular rate. For that $30 price, college players got all the same benefits as regular $40 members, plus the college series. So I see two issues. 1) Should the regular rate increase from $40 to $50? 2) Should college membership continue to be discounted?

Also, for those looking to pay a lower rate, the announcement on the USA Ultimate front page mentions discounted rates for members who renew for multiple years. Act soon - some offers expire at the end of December. Two years membership for $80.

Next, based on monitoring the USAU website and the Ultimate Nation, it sounds like there are plenty of things to look forward to.

If you want to maximize the value of your membership, I encourage you to get involved:



    - Play as many sanctioned events (including the Series) as you can.
    - Attend the College Championships and get on television.
    - Become a coach in a division you can't play in.
    - Host sanctioned events using USAU-provided insurance.
    - Get in touch with your USAU Regional Observer Coordinator to find certified observers to work your events.
    - Host an Observer Clinic to help staff your local events.
    - Host a Coaching Workshop to help your local teams.
    - Host developmental clinics to grow the sport in your area.
    - Attend various clinics and workshops.
    - Take advantage of the many Rules resources provided by USAU.
    - Explore the USAU website for links to other valuable resources.
    - Read the USAU Magazine and the Huddle (as it continues).
    - Vote (or run!) in the Board elections.
    - Use USAU-provided royalty-free images.
    - Apply for an Innovation Grant to do something you're passionate about.
    - Become a Sectional/Regional Coordinator.
    - Write in questions to the Ultimate Nation and get free stuff.
    - Participate on the USAU Message Boards and get responses with information and feedback from USAU staff.


I have done a lot of these things over the past several years, and I have not felt overcharged for membership dues.

-Colin





Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84034 is a reply to message #84023] Thu, 16 December 2010 14:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> The USUA does provide certification just like these other
> governing bodies.  It is the tournaments themselves that say
> its not worth the expense or time of getting these
> officials.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--does certify....but there aren't any game officials at most of the
lowest levels of comp....unlike the other sports mentioned, where
officials are certified AND onsite timing and officiating the games at
the lowest level of comp(sectionals)
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84035 is a reply to message #84024] Thu, 16 December 2010 14:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> Your impressive lack of understanding of basic pricing
> strategy and market value isn't a problem... unless you
> decide to open your mouth about it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---i'm not commenting on any understanding of basic pricing strategy.
i'm commenting that other sports' governing bodies certify and pay
officials to be onsite for the lowest levels of competition(our
'sectionals')
but the upsa doesn't do that.
they sort-i-fy some officials....but they're not at every sectional
event....are they?

which is why i asked...why even compare the governing bodies of these
different sports.
i didn't ask the question to be talking about money or cost or
pricing.

so.....it's cute you're trying to be all condescending....but that
ain't what i'm writing about.
and if you don't understand any of that...well....that's just
fine....spare me your super duper educated stuff...and eat some
shit....
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84036 is a reply to message #84025] Thu, 16 December 2010 14:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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the increase in price doesn't result in an
> increase in value to the player, regardless of "market value," then
> you are just an asshole.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---handy....he's calling YOU an asshole...because your brain is so big.
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84037 is a reply to message #84026] Thu, 16 December 2010 14:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> Hey UOA Fanelli,
>
> Applying direct pressure to that wound is the first step to stopping
> blood loss UOA Fanelli.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---ole handy and little peter petter....look at you two....
perfect for each other....little peter petter would love to have that
handy petting his little peter....
you go guys.
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84038 is a reply to message #84033] Thu, 16 December 2010 15:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> If you want to maximize the value of your membership, I
> encourage you to get involved:


---wow...you have to do a lot of work and a lot of extra travel just
to get your moneys worth, huh?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> - Play as many sanctioned events (including the Series) as
> you can.
> - Attend the College Championships and get on television.
- Become a coach in a division you can't play in.
> - Host sanctioned events using USAU-provided insurance.
> - Get in touch with your USAU Regional Observer Coordinator
> to find certified observers to work your events.
> - Host an Observer Clinic to help staff your local events.
> - Host a Coaching Workshop to help your local teams.
> - Host developmental clinics to grow the sport in your
> area.
> - Attend various clinics and workshops.
> - Take advantage of the many Rules resources provided by
> USAU.
> - Explore the USAU website for links to other valuable
> resources.
> - Read the USAU Magazine and the Huddle (as it continues).
> - Vote (or run!) in the Board elections.
> - Use USAU-provided royalty-free images.
> - Apply for an Innovation Grant to do something you're
> passionate about.
> - Become a Sectional/Regional Coordinator.
> - Write in questions to the Ultimate Nation and get free
> stuff.
> - Participate on thehttp://boards.usaultimate.org/and get
> responses with information and feedback from USAU staff.
>
> I have done a lot of these things over the past several
> years, and I have not felt overcharged for membership dues.
>
> -Colin
>
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84040 is a reply to message #84038] Thu, 16 December 2010 15:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colinmcintyre
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agerics20 wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 18:00

---wow...you have to do a lot of work and a lot of extra travel just
to get your moneys worth, huh?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Nope. Nobody said that. Except you.

I just listed some things people could do if they wanted to maximize the value they receive. I've easily gotten my money's worth without leaving a 5 mile radius from my house. And then I've gotten more value beyond that with more work and more travel.
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84045 is a reply to message #84040] Thu, 16 December 2010 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> I just listed some things people could do if they wanted to
> maximize the value they receive.  I've easily gotten my
> money's worth without leaving a 5 mile radius from my house.
>  And then I've gotten more value beyond that with more work
> and more travel.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---yeah, so like i said...
> ---wow...you have to do a lot of work and a lot of extra
> travel just
> to get your moneys worth, huh?
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84052 is a reply to message #84045] Thu, 16 December 2010 18:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colinmcintyre
Messages: 1256
Registered: September 2008
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agerics20 wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 20:22
> I've easily gotten my
> money's worth without leaving a 5 mile radius from my house.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---yeah, so like i said...
> ---wow...you have to do a lot of work and a lot of extra
> travel just
> to get your moneys worth, huh?


--no, not like you said....like i said...very little work and almost no travel at all. just a few e-mails, some cones, and some lines. other people should try it. my way. it's the best.
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84053 is a reply to message #84045] Thu, 16 December 2010 20:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Voldemort
Messages: 16
Registered: August 2010
Junior Member
As a poor college student, even I think that $50 for membership dues is cheap. The USAU provides the structure for the sport we all love (and love to hate on if you're a shut-in loser like "ulticritic"). By the way, you know you're an a-hole when people make filters just so they can view RSD without your inane rants.
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84066 is a reply to message #84052] Fri, 17 December 2010 02:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
brophey13
Messages: 2
Registered: February 2010
Junior Member
"Look into the costs of other sports. USA Rugby is ~$300 to play, usually just one season (fall or spring). Your USAU dues cover you for the college AND club series. This is still a fantastic deal."

The problem is, the USAU dues don't actully cover the costs of the tournament. For someone who just wants to join their team at sectionals, yo uhave to pay the $50 dues, plust the tournament fee - so about $70 to play sectionals (for most players, since the number that go on to regionals and nationals is quite limited). As most people can easily see, sectionals is only one step above meeting your friends at a park - or at least it has been for me. It seems like something could be done to address the players who only join the USAU to play that one tournament with their team. (This is also a factor in low voter turnout, a certain percentage of people are only members to play in regionals/sectionals, and not because they care what the USAU is doing).
Re: USA Ultimate Prices Increase! [message #84068 is a reply to message #84052] Fri, 17 December 2010 04:44 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
agerics20
Messages: 8115
Registered: October 2008
Senior Member
> --no, not like you said....like i said...very little work
> and almost no travel at all.  just a few e-mails, some
> cones, and some lines.  other people should try it.  my way.
>  it's the best.  
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--you're a fucking retard.
you provided a long list of things that require a lot of work and
effort and travel JUST to take advantage of the dues you pay in order
to compete at sectionals.

for most people, for normal people, doing ONE of those things take a
lot of work and travel.
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