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Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83779] Sun, 12 December 2010 14:34 Go to next message
Slip83
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So I'm just a college kid who only started playing ultimate 3.5 years ago and I've seen that people here obviously have a lot more experience with the history of the game. One of the things that I hate about the USAU site is there is so little information on the history of the sport. So, I was just curious, what are some of the greatest games in the history of ultimate? What happened to make them so great? Who were the key players? When did they happen?

Looking forward to hearing some awesome stories! Thanks in advance!

-Slip
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83783 is a reply to message #83779] Sun, 12 December 2010 16:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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UNCW over eventualy National Champs Carleton at Nationals in Boston....
2001, i believe.
17-16...biggest upset in nationals history.
great game...
drama of broken collar bones and layout Ds caught by laying out
receivers for game point.....
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83784 is a reply to message #83779] Sun, 12 December 2010 16:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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> Who were the key players?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---every third touch, trey snow out on the third point after being
laid out on top of....
best player in the nation, Rhett Russ showing up the Callahan winner
Alex Nord.
it was sweet.
2001 nationals uncw over carleton
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83794 is a reply to message #83784] Sun, 12 December 2010 18:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kyle Weisbrod
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Try this: http://ultfris.blogspot.com/2010/01/top-10-games-of-decade.h tml

Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83795 is a reply to message #83779] Sun, 12 December 2010 18:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ryan
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I know it's been asked before, but I haven't found it yet. Mentioned in your blog post Kyle, is the grab by Chase in the finals vs Jam. Does anyone have footage of that anywhere for viewing?
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83797 is a reply to message #83779] Sun, 12 December 2010 19:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob
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A couple of my favorites that aren't on Kyle's list are the Furious vs Sockeye (Canada vs USA) open final of the 2008 World Championships, and the Sockeye vs Buzz final of ECC 2007. Both great games with lots of crowd energy that made them fun to be a part of (behind the camera of course).

Rob
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83805 is a reply to message #83779] Sun, 12 December 2010 22:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
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On Dec 12, 3:41 pm, Matt W <slip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I'm just a college kid who only started playing ultimate
> 3.5 years ago and I've seen that people here obviously have
> a lot more experience with the history of the game.  One of
> the things that I hate about the USAU site is there is so
> little information on the history of the sport.  So, I was
> just curious, what are some of the greatest games in the
> history of ultimate?  What happened to make them so great?
> Who were the key players? When did they happen?
>
> Looking forward to hearing some awesome stories!  Thanks in
> advance!
>
> -Slip
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com

Click on "The Best Games Ever" on this web page to see a list that
various long time Ultimate players suggest are the best game ever:
http://www.ultimatehistory.com/extras/best.html

For general Ultimate history:
http://www.ultimatehistory.com/
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83821 is a reply to message #83805] Mon, 13 December 2010 07:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
8tmurray
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2006 Central Regional Finals. Carleton v. Wisconsin, brutal winds, 1 bid to nationals. Both were National Finals caliber teams that year, Wisconsin prevailed by a narrow margin...snapping CUTs Nationals streak (how long??) only to eventually lose to Florida in the finals.

Most dramatic, nerve-racking game I've ever seen. May be part of the reason Current Season Strength bids were implemented?
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83828 is a reply to message #83779] Mon, 13 December 2010 10:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Douglas T Lilley
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On Dec 12, 6:41 pm, Matt W <slip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I'm just a college kid who only started playing ultimate
> 3.5 years ago and I've seen that people here obviously have
> a lot more experience with the history of the game.  One of
> the things that I hate about the USAU site is there is so
> little information on the history of the sport.  So, I was
> just curious, what are some of the greatest games in the
> history of ultimate?  What happened to make them so great?
> Who were the key players? When did they happen?
>
> Looking forward to hearing some awesome stories!  Thanks in
> advance!
>
You're probably already familiar but one great source for this kind of
stuff is the book "Ultimate: The first 40 years" by our own Tony
Leonardo (with help from Joe S. I believe). It's a great book all the
way around but one of it's many virtues is that it is "objective" -
many of the rsd answers to this sort of question invariably end up
being games that the respondent played in-or occasionally watched,
i.e. if it was the best game the poster played in, it must be one of
the best games ever played. Go figger...anyway, here's a plug for the
First 40 Years-great Xmas present for any serious Ulty player.
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83833 is a reply to message #83779] Mon, 13 December 2010 12:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim Mallon
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UCSB Black Tide def. Stanford in the 1989 National Championship game 23-21. They don't even play games to 21 anymore, and this one went into OT. Epic.

Here's Eric Simon's description of the game (from the Ultimate history Book website):
"This four hour game was the most exciting I've ever seen. In the second half alone there were six lead changes. Instead of trading goals, the teams seemed to trade two goals at a time. And every time a team would score two to take the lead and threaten to run away, the other team would score two. Both teams had many chances to win with possession of the disc. The score finally reached 21 all, and Santa Barbara scored to lead 22-21. Stanford, in possession of the disc threw a 50 yard pass that was incomplete. The defender immediately picked up the disc, threw a 10 foot outlet pass to another player, who quickly threw a bomb to a player sprinting to the end zone. Santa Barbara finally won 23-21."

"Player who threw bomb" = Doug "the Bum" Salter.
"Player sprinting into the end zone" = Garret Headly
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83841 is a reply to message #83833] Mon, 13 December 2010 16:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nirvana
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This game is conveniently available on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uRFFJOzhNg

On Dec 13, 12:40 pm, Jim Mallon <El_Horn...@charter.net> wrote:
> UCSB Black Tide def. Stanford in the 1989 National
> Championship game 23-21. They don't even play games to 21
> anymore, and this one went into OT. Epic.
>
> Here's Eric Simon's description of the game (from the
> Ultimate history Book website):
> "This four hour game was the most exciting I've ever seen.
> In the second half alone there were six lead changes.
> Instead of trading goals, the teams seemed to trade two
> goals at a time. And every time a team would score two to
> take the lead and threaten to run away, the other team would
> score two. Both teams had many chances to win with
> possession of the disc. The score finally reached 21 all,
> and Santa Barbara scored to lead 22-21. Stanford, in
> possession of the disc threw a 50 yard pass that was
> incomplete. The defender immediately picked up the disc,
> threw a 10 foot outlet pass to another player, who quickly
> threw a bomb to a player sprinting to the end zone. Santa
> Barbara finally won 23-21."
>
> "Player who threw bomb" = Doug "the Bum" Salter.
> "Player sprinting into the end zone" = Garret Headly
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83847 is a reply to message #83841] Mon, 13 December 2010 21:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kazan
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World Games finals, 2001 in Akita, Japan. Tied at cap, Tied in
Overtime. For double overtime, they went ahead and implemented a
college football-style 'score from the brick' setup, where each team
got one possession.

Canada gets it first: they turf it!
US gets the ball at their brick for the win - they biff, too!

Now it's Triple OT. Again, disc gets checked in at the brick, this
time US is up first. They get close to the line... and turn AGAIN!
Now Canada's turn again... and FINALLY they punch it in for a dagger
of win.

Saw that when I was 19... amazing. Still remember much of the lines,
too. It was amazing, six teams - US, Canada, Japan, Sweden, and two
others who didn't come close (perhaps Finland and Germany? UK was
conspicuously absent.)

Ten-person rosters per squad, maximum. They played coed, six-on-six
(??)

US was I believe Billy Rodriguez, Damien Scott, Steve Dugan, Fortunat
Muller, and Justin Safdie for the men, and Johanna Newman, Dominque
Fontenette for the women, plus three others. I seem to recall Leslie
Calder there as well, but isn't she a Canadian player?

Canada also had Mike Grant, Jeff Cruickshank, and some others...
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83848 is a reply to message #83841] Mon, 13 December 2010 21:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rebelnugget
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Nirvana wrote on Mon, 13 December 2010 16:52
This game is conveniently available on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uRFFJOzhNg



Ultimate certainly used to be played quite differently.

Were more permanent dumps / reset players something that didn't come along until after this point or did teams just not run that kind of offense back then?
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83851 is a reply to message #83847] Mon, 13 December 2010 22:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
placido rapido
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On Dec 13, 9:40 pm, Eric Brach <eric.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> World Games finals, 2001 in Akita, Japan.  
>
> US was I believe Billy Rodriguez, Damien Scott, Steve Dugan, Fortunat
> Muller, and Justin Safdie for the men, and Johanna Newman, Dominque
> Fontenette for the women, plus three others.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Ultimate+Frisbee+Makes+Medal-E arning+Debut+at+World+Games+in+Japan%3B...-a076923747

The UPA proudly introduces the first U.S. World Games Ultimate team:

Amy Little, San Diego
Bill Rodriguez (Captain), Boston
Christine Dunlap, Boston
Damien Scott, San Francisco
Dominique Fontenette, Arkansas, Boston
Fortunat Mueller, Boston
Heidi Pomfret, Boulder, Colorado
Johanna Neumann, Boston
Justin Safdie, Boston
Steve Dugan, Los Angeles
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83869 is a reply to message #83851] Tue, 14 December 2010 09:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kazan
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Found the 1986 UMass vs Stanford UPA finals up there, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqVGnZqaplk

Any shot someone's got the 1985 finals, UMass vs. UPenn?
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83878 is a reply to message #83795] Tue, 14 December 2010 11:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
finkelst
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I know its on that Ultivilliage DVD "The road to Vancouver," but I haven't seen it anywhere else. Seriously though...its nasty. Like...Nationals? Finals? Unviverse Point? Regionals Arch-Rival? Hmmm...I guess I have to jack a blade into traffic to Chase!

Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83913 is a reply to message #83779] Wed, 15 December 2010 05:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Johnson
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In 2008 gnarwhal defeated raw hide to become the 2008 sectionals
champs. One of the greatest underdog stories of all time. Gnarwhal
lost to them handily day one, but a different team took the field day
two. Many audience members later thought that a foster kid must have
been on the gnarwhal sideline, advising the captains on which players
had Angels helping them on each point.
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83923 is a reply to message #83913] Wed, 15 December 2010 10:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
finkelst
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Matt, I think the reason that game gets left off a lot of lists is because it was actually for second place. If you recall, Prarie Fire bent both of those teams over a bench in 2008...but still a good game in its own right.
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83941 is a reply to message #83779] Wed, 15 December 2010 11:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
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One issue with many of the replies here are that the people replying
have only seen Ultimate games for the past 6-10 years. To have a
better feel for what the top 10 greatest games might have been, you
need people who have been watching and playing Ultimate for at least
20 years and preferably longer. So seek out people playing in Masters
and Grand Masters and ask their opinions.

As a spectator who started watching college and club Ultimate
seriously in the mid-1990s, I have one game that should be on top of
at least one category. The 2000 Club Nationals semifinals with Condors
vs DoG. DoG had won every game they played at Nationals for the
previous 6 years as well as up to this semifinal match this year. No
one expected anyone to beat them... ever beat them!

In this game, the Condors went ahead by a few points and maintained
their lead pulling ahead and winning I think 21-16. It was the most
unexpected and dramatic win probably in the previous 5 years at
Nationals. No one thought any team could beat DoG... including
themselves. DoG was supremely confident (not boastful, just
confident). I remember the yelling and screaming with each point, and
the stunned look on some of the DoG players near the end of the game
that said it all. The Condors win was a complete "generation" change
and had a huge impact on allowing other teams to strive to be #1. The
dominance of DoG had smothered most other teams, and now they were
free to think they could become the national champion. In 2000, the
only team not only capable, but confident enough, of beating DoG was
the Santa Barbara Condors.

So I am saying the outcome of this game had the biggest impact on the
Club Division of any game at least since 1995.
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83955 is a reply to message #83941] Wed, 15 December 2010 19:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Disc Videos
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http://www.discvideos.com/doublewide-vs-chain-lightning-2008 -south-regional-finals/

Highlights from an incredible game between Doublewide and Chain Lightning in the 2008 South Region finals.

-Disc Videos


We love finding sweet Ultimate highlights!
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #83993 is a reply to message #83923] Thu, 16 December 2010 07:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Johnson
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On Dec 15, 12:10 pm, Finks <finke...@grinnell.edu> wrote:
> Matt, I think the reason that game gets left off a lot of
> lists is because it was actually for second place.  If you
> recall, Prarie Fire bent both of those teams over a bench in
> 2008...but still a good game in its own right.
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com

Prairie Fire did win the section, but their weekend was boring and
filled with domination. That's what winners do. Champions go on
crazy, regional-qualifying runs when it's life or death. Also,
Prairie Fire didn't beat Gnarwhal that year. That's why there are
many circles that still consider Gnarwhal the 2008 Sectionals Champs.
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #84077 is a reply to message #83779] Fri, 17 December 2010 06:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Dec 12, 6:41 pm, Matt W <slip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I'm just a college kid who only started playing ultimate
> 3.5 years ago and I've seen that people here obviously have
> a lot more experience with the history of the game.  One of
> the things that I hate about the USAU site is there is so
> little information on the history of the sport.  So, I was
> just curious, what are some of the greatest games in the
> history of ultimate?  What happened to make them so great?
> Who were the key players? When did they happen?
>
> Looking forward to hearing some awesome stories!  Thanks in
> advance!
>
> -Slip
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com

NUA 1987 EASTERN CONFERENCE SEMI FINALS......NY VS DC. DC came back
from a 3 point deficet with only around 30 seconds left on the clock
to, not tie, BUT WIN on a teo pointer as time ran out. the things
that made/make it THE BEST GAME EVER was the refs and the stopped
time.

now THAT was ultimate in "real sport" form.
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #84307 is a reply to message #83941] Mon, 20 December 2010 11:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Euh
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> As a spectator who started watching college and clubUltimate
> seriously in the mid-1990s, I have one game that should be on top of
> at least one category. The 2000 Club Nationals semifinals with Condors
> vs DoG. DoG had won every game they played at Nationals for the
> previous 6 years as well as up to this semifinal match this year. No
> one expected anyone to beat them... ever beat them!

Right before stealing the final due to biased observers ?
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #84308 is a reply to message #83848] Mon, 20 December 2010 11:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Euh
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> > This game is conveniently available on youtube:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uRFFJOzhNg
>
> Ultimatecertainly used to be played quite differently.

That's an understatement!
It was still a hippie sport. Good throws were rare and players were
slow.
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #84340 is a reply to message #84308] Mon, 20 December 2010 18:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
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On Dec 20, 11:22 am, Euh <Euh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > This game is conveniently available on youtube:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uRFFJOzhNg
>
> > Ultimatecertainly used to be played quite differently.
>
> That's an understatement!
> It was still a hippie sport. Good throws were rare and players were
> slow.

Whoever you are "Euh", you obviously have no idea what Ultimate was
like in the '70s and '80s (and I suspect you couldn't care less to
learn about it). But for those who are interested in knowing what
Ultimate was really like, there are videos available (although not
online yet). They show awesome throws, extremely fast players and a
lot of aggression.

Matt, it might be useful to ask what the greatest game was in each
decade. And then try and get a video of each and let the community
compare.
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #84359 is a reply to message #84340] Tue, 21 December 2010 05:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Dec 20, 9:35 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 11:22 am, Euh <Euh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > This game is conveniently available on youtube:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uRFFJOzhNg
>
> > > Ultimatecertainly used to be played quite differently.
>
> > That's an understatement!
> > It was still a hippie sport. Good throws were rare and players were
> > slow.
>
> Whoever you are "Euh", you obviously have no idea what Ultimate was
> like in the '70s and '80s


and how in the fuck would YOU know about that period.......didnt your
son start playin in the 90's?
-----------------------------------------------------------



(and I suspect you couldn't care less to
> learn about it). But for those who are interested in knowing what
> Ultimate was really like, there are videos available (although not
> online yet). They show awesome throws, extremely fast players and a
> lot of aggression.

players seem alot more athletic to those who were actually there
theough........why dont you inquire joe.......as you obviously werent
around then.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Matt, it might be useful to ask what the greatest game was in each
> decade. And then try and get a video of each and let the community
> compare.

yea, then do the same for other sports and you will find that you are
absolutely right.
Re: Greatest Games in Ultimate History? [message #84379 is a reply to message #84340] Tue, 21 December 2010 12:04 Go to previous message
Euh
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> Whoever you are "Euh", you obviously have no idea what Ultimate was
> like in the '70s and '80s (and I suspect you couldn't care less to
> learn about it). But for those who are interested in knowing what
> Ultimate was really like, there are videos available (although not
> online yet). They show awesome throws, extremely fast players and a
> lot of aggression.

Point me to one on youtube....because all the ones I see prove my
point.
The same could be said about any sports, but ultimate even more
because very few people
were playing it.
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