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| usau needs voices of decent now more than ever [message #80239] |
Wed, 27 October 2010 05:09  |
ulticritic
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C'MON PEOPLE. OUR CURRENT ADMIN NEEDS PEOPLE LIKE J MAC AND STEVE
HUBBARD IN OUR ADMINISTRATION. just look at how UNREPRESENTIVE the
current board is now just with the issue of observers........
bod poll...................11 AGAINST increased observer duties, 1
FOR.
MEMBERSHIP POLL............8 against increased observer duties, 25 FOR
i say J MAC AND STEVE HUBBARD WILL REPRESENT THE
MEMBERSHIP.......whereas all peri is worring about is maintaining the
boards own personal agenda.......of which, AS YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE, is
not representative of the membership........NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!!
dont be stupid people.........like all the lower class idiot
republicans that vote for the gop even though, in so many ways, they
arent represented in the least by the gop. they jus vote that way
outa fear. and here comes peri with her fear tactics.
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| Re: usau needs voices of decent now more than ever [message #80253 is a reply to message #80239] |
Wed, 27 October 2010 07:07  |
pizzaslot
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On Oct 27, 7:09 am, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
> C'MON PEOPLE. OUR CURRENT ADMIN NEEDS PEOPLE LIKE J MAC AND STEVE
> HUBBARD IN OUR ADMINISTRATION. just look at how UNREPRESENTIVE the
> current board is now just with the issue of observers........
>
> bod poll...................11 AGAINST increased observer duties, 1
> FOR.
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> MEMBERSHIP POLL............8 against increased observer duties, 25 FOR
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> i say J MAC AND STEVE HUBBARD WILL REPRESENT THE
> MEMBERSHIP.......whereas all peri is worring about is maintaining the
> boards own personal agenda.......of which, AS YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE, is
> not representative of the membership........NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!!
>
> dont be stupid people.........like all the lower class idiot
> republicans that vote for the gop even though, in so many ways, they
> arent represented in the least by the gop. they jus vote that way
> outa fear. and here comes peri with her fear tactics.
I know it's lame to rag on spelling and grammar, but in this case,
your credibility is totally lost when you use "decent", when you mean
"dissent".
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| Re: usau needs voices of decent now more than ever [message #80263 is a reply to message #80253] |
Wed, 27 October 2010 08:13 |
agerics20
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> I know it's lame to rag on spelling and grammar, but in this case,
> your credibility is totally lost when you use "decent", when you mean
> "dissent".-
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---i know it's lame to rag on spelling and grammar, so when i see a
word, even misspelled, but my brain is able to figure out what the
word is supposed to mean, i just read it and reply to what the
intended meaning is.....
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| Re: usau needs voices of decent now more than ever [message #80281 is a reply to message #80239] |
Wed, 27 October 2010 11:15 |
Mark -Mortakai- Moran
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On Oct 27, 5:09 am, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
> C'MON PEOPLE. OUR CURRENT ADMIN NEEDS PEOPLE LIKE J MAC AND STEVE
> HUBBARD IN OUR ADMINISTRATION. just look at how UNREPRESENTIVE the
> current board is now just with the issue of observers........
>
> bod poll...................11 AGAINST increased observer duties, 1
> FOR.
>
> MEMBERSHIP POLL............8 against increased observer duties, 25 FOR
>
> i say J MAC AND STEVE HUBBARD WILL REPRESENT THE
> MEMBERSHIP.......whereas all peri is worring about is maintaining the
> boards own personal agenda.......of which, AS YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE, is
> not representative of the membership........NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!!
>
> dont be stupid people.........like all the lower class idiot
> republicans that vote for the gop even though, in so many ways, they
> arent represented in the least by the gop. they jus vote that way
> outa fear. and here comes peri with her fear tactics.
Full support here for people lowering their voices... c'mon folks,
decent your volume, you're hurting my ears.
Be careful about reading that much into the numbers (... not that I
expect you'll change your ways at all at my suggestion... I'm really
just trying to get used to this new, more compact keyboard...).
A poll that includes 12 board members out of a total of 12 (i.e.,
100%) supports very strong inferrence and conclusions based on the
poll results compared to the total population (i.e., of 12 total).
Whereas with a poll that includes 33 members out of a total of approx
32,000 members (i.e., ~0.00001%), any conclusions drawn from this
small of a poll are about as invalid as they come. Of course, we could
always add a disclaimer such as "+/- 99%, 99 times out of 100", which
really means, "I'm just making shit up!".
But back to the more important message... folks, yes, please lower
your voices... decent is awesome.
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| Re: usau needs voices of decent now more than ever [message #80288 is a reply to message #80281] |
Wed, 27 October 2010 11:49 |
mvuong
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Mark -Mortakai- Moran wrote on Wed, 27 October 2010 14:15
Be careful about reading that much into the numbers (... not that I
expect you'll change your ways at all at my suggestion... I'm really
just trying to get used to this new, more compact keyboard...).
A poll that includes 12 board members out of a total of 12 (i.e.,
100%) supports very strong inferrence and conclusions based on the
poll results compared to the total population (i.e., of 12 total).
Whereas with a poll that includes 33 members out of a total of approx
32,000 members (i.e., ~0.00001%), any conclusions drawn from this
small of a poll are about as invalid as they come. Of course, we could
always add a disclaimer such as "+/- 99%, 99 times out of 100", which
really means, "I'm just making shit up!".
But back to the more important message... folks, yes, please lower
your voices... decent is awesome.
This has already been attempted to be explained, but he doesn't want to hear anything that would invalidate his "data" and portray yourself as a spirit zealot.
Please also note that the poll he is referring to was also multiple selection across contradicting statements thus lending even more inaccuracy to the sampled data. Remarkably enough though, the margin of error is still only about 17% for a sample size of 33 out of 32,000, but no one would actually believe that.
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| Re: usau needs voices of decent now more than ever [message #80289 is a reply to message #80253] |
Wed, 27 October 2010 11:45 |
ulticritic
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On Oct 27, 10:07 am, pizzaslot <pizzasl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 7:09 am, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
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> > C'MON PEOPLE. OUR CURRENT ADMIN NEEDS PEOPLE LIKE J MAC AND STEVE
> > HUBBARD IN OUR ADMINISTRATION. just look at how UNREPRESENTIVE the
> > current board is now just with the issue of observers........
>
> > bod poll...................11 AGAINST increased observer duties, 1
> > FOR.
>
> > MEMBERSHIP POLL............8 against increased observer duties, 25 FOR
>
> > i say J MAC AND STEVE HUBBARD WILL REPRESENT THE
> > MEMBERSHIP.......whereas all peri is worring about is maintaining the
> > boards own personal agenda.......of which, AS YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE, is
> > not representative of the membership........NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!!
>
> > dont be stupid people.........like all the lower class idiot
> > republicans that vote for the gop even though, in so many ways, they
> > arent represented in the least by the gop. they jus vote that way
> > outa fear. and here comes peri with her fear tactics.
>
> I know it's lame to rag on spelling and grammar, but in this case,
> your credibility is totally lost when you use "decent", when you mean
> "dissent".- Hide quoted text -
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i know when the first line of defense by the spirit zealot patrol is
critisizing my speeling and grammer that i AM DEFINITELY ON TO
SOMTHING.......and have struck a nerve.
thanks for the reinforcement crappy
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| Re: usau needs voices of decent now more than ever [message #80293 is a reply to message #80288] |
Wed, 27 October 2010 12:00 |
ulticritic
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On Oct 27, 2:50 pm, mvuong <marvinvu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark -Mortakai- Moran wrote on Wed, 27 October 2010
> 14:15
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> > Be careful about reading that much into the numbers (...
> > not that I
> > expect you'll change your ways at all at my
> > suggestion... I'm really
> > just trying to get used to this new, more compact
> > keyboard...).
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> > A poll that includes 12 board members out of a total of
> > 12 (i.e.,
> > 100%) supports very strong inferrence and conclusions
> > based on the
> > poll results compared to the total population (i.e., of
> > 12 total).
>
> > Whereas with a poll that includes 33 members out of a
> > total of approx
> > 32,000 members (i.e., ~0.00001%), any conclusions drawn
> > from this
> > small of a poll are about as invalid as they come. Of
> > course, we could
> > always add a disclaimer such as "+/- 99%, 99 times out
> > of 100", which
> > really means, "I'm just making shit up!".
>
> > But back to the more important message... folks, yes,
> > please lower
> > your voices... decent is awesome.
>
> This has already been attempted to be explained, but he
> doesn't want to hear anything that would invalidate his
> "data" and portray yourself as a spirit zealot.
>
> Please also note that the poll he is referring to was also
> multiple selection across contradicting statements thus
> lending even more inaccuracy to the sampled data.
> Remarkably enough though, the margin of error is still only
> about 17% for a sample size of 33 out of 32,000, but no one
> would actually believe that.
>
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> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com- Hide quoted text -
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anyway ya slice it, 80% of the membership support more powerful
observers yet only 8% of the board that represents that membership
does the same. spin it anyway ya want it with your "sample size"
sound bites.........there is still little to no representation for the
majority of the membership on SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many different
levels.
if you are a spirit zealot, which you obviously are, then you are 1)
fine with the state of ultimate (status quoe) and 2) THE
MINORITY.........its just that the majority of people that run for and
get involved with the politics of ultimate are your conservative
"spirity" types........you know, the nerdy types from your
hs.......and these are also the types that tend to vote for bod
members. cause, c'mon, with only 6% voter turn out knowing what the
majority wants is pretty impossible.
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| Re: usau needs voices of decent now more than ever [message #80303 is a reply to message #80293] |
Wed, 27 October 2010 17:58 |
mvuong
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I now see why people get frustrated with trying to talk sense into you. I'm not even talking about your agenda, my agenda, the spirit zealot's agenda, whoever's agenda right now. What I have stated in this thread has nothing to do with politiking one way or another. In other threads, I have clearly stated that I support your general idea towards either a) more powerful observers or b) full blown refs. Wouldn't this make me not a spirit zealot?
Yet, if I want to bring to light that only about 1% of a population takes an informal multiple choice poll on the usau forum boards, and thus this poll's info can not be extrapolated out to mean that 80% of the membership support more powerful observers, I am a spirit zealot? All I tell you is that you can't draw any conclusions from that poll because methodologically, it isn't sound to do so and you call me a spirit zealot?
You can argue all day about ultimate should or should not enforce, or about what rules should stand for what, or about what spirit really means in the long run of things, but you can not seriously believe that you have hard "data" that the membership is 80% leaning towards stronger observers. Anyway ya slice it, the poll means absolutely nothing right now.
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| Re: usau needs voices of decent now more than ever [message #80305 is a reply to message #80303] |
Wed, 27 October 2010 18:30 |
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http://www.facebook.com/TheUltimatePage/posts/148525428502801
Although I am sure Toad has no idea what Facebook even is, here is an equally informal and inconclusive poll as the USAU board, but it got a lot more results from ultimate players. Results:
Out of 166 votes-
In favor of refs: 28 votes
In favor of observers: 56 votes
In favor of SOTG/Self Officiating: 82 votes
Votes for "hecklers," "sideline" and "instant replay" were not counted.
Votes that said "Observers only for finals/championship series, but SOTG everywhere else" were counted for observers, although they were in favor of self-officiation for most of ultimate.
Boy..refs got a massive 16% of the vote. Good job third party candidate.
Observers did ok, with 33% of the vote.
But SOTG/Self Officiation: big victory with just over 49% of the votes.
OOps..sorry toad, looks like Survey says BOD is doing just what people want. See, that survey PROVES it.
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| Re: usau needs voices of decent now more than ever [message #80319 is a reply to message #80303] |
Wed, 27 October 2010 20:33 |
ulticritic
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On Oct 27, 9:00 pm, mvuong <marvinvu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I now see why people get frustrated with trying to talk
> sense into you.
only the spirit zealots types.....because progressive types already
know there is no need to talk sense into me
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I'm not even talking about your agenda, my
> agenda, the spirit zealot's agenda, whoever's agenda right
> now. What I have stated in this thread has nothing to do
> with politiking one way or another. In other threads, I
> have clearly stated that I support your general idea towards
> either a) more powerful observers or b) full blown refs.
> Wouldn't this make me not a spirit zealot?
then doesnt that mean you DONT support usaus general ideas towards the
same? why concern yourself with publicly disagreeing with me when ya
could be publicly disagreeing with usau.........and what good does it
do you to dissagree with me........in comparison with the good that
would come from disagreeing with them???? i'm confused.......does me
having my own unique manner of interpreting data irk you more than
usaus misrepresentation and ineptness irks you????
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> Yet, if I want to bring to light that only about 1% of a
> population takes an informal multiple choice poll on the
> usau forum boards, and thus this poll's info can not be
> extrapolated out to mean that 80% of the membership support
> more powerful observers, I am a spirit zealot?
maybe you are just one of them fair weather flim flammer types
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All I tell
> you is that you can't draw any conclusions from that poll
> because methodologically, it isn't sound to do so and you
> call me a spirit zealot?
then it would be equally insane to think there is any greater validity
to the 12 people on the board that vote(get polled) on the same exact
shit. so maybe the unsoundsness of my methodology is just a
reflection of how usound the basic representation is by that bod
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> You can argue all day about ultimate should or should not
> enforce, or about what rules should stand for what, or about
> what spirit really means in the long run of things, but you
> can not seriously believe that you have hard "data" that the
> membership is 80% leaning towards stronger observers.
well, i do take into account other sources of data.....including my
own. i personally polled about 180 people at nc sectionals two years
ago and that survey revealed about the same % of respondants wanting
more powerful observers. i also used the 2009 college nationals
active travel vote (11 for AT, 7 opposed). then there is the data
that the uoa collected that show overwhelming support for more
powerful observers. of course if i had my way usau would conduct
agressive needs and wants assestments AT ALL SECTIONALS EVENTS WHERE
THE ENTIRE MEMBERSHIP IS CORNERED......and THEN we would have gobs and
gobs of data.......wouldnt we?.
just curious though.....how many people have to get polled before the
data can "count"........and why isnt usau more urgant in their
gathering of THAT AMOUNT of respondants? seems like they could easily
prove once and for all that the majority of usau members DONT WANT
more powerful observers......right? yet there is little to no effort
on there part????? kinda telling isnt it?
BUT I CAN SEE WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM......i, personally, dont
really trust the ultimate revolution data because of the basic premise
that, because the upa made people come to their polls, (AS OPPOSED TO
TAKING THE POLLS TO THE PEOPLE.....at all sectionals) then the info
would be even more accurate and complete.....and inclusive of the type
of people that currently politically ignore, blow off or just dont
care about the data gathering process of usau. to me you have, with
ult rev data, a skewed pool of respodants that are most likely your
spirit zealot, usau appologist types.
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Anyway
> ya slice it, the poll means absolutely nothing right now.
IT MEANS A LOT MORE THAN THE SPIRIT ZEALOT ADMIN IS WILLING TO
ADMIT......and, to me, it means just as much as the 12 (well 11)
assholes on that board that dont do diddly shit to be more active in
accurately representing all those people that support more powerful
observers.
so maybe you aint a spirit zealot but you sure do remind me of one of
them pussy democtats that bill maher allways talks shit about.
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| Re: usau needs voices of decent now more than ever [message #80321 is a reply to message #80305] |
Wed, 27 October 2010 20:46 |
ulticritic
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On Oct 27, 9:35 pm, pizzapinochle <pizzapinoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> But SOTG/Self Officiation: big victory with just over 49% of
> the votes.
i'm sure that those that were pro ref would choose observers over
sotg......so, in reality your poll shows a 50/50 split. just
wondering though......how do you explain the inconsistancy in this
face book poll in comparison to the usau message board poll????
maybe more aggressive polling is what is in order?????
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> OOps..sorry toad, looks like Survey says BOD is doing just
> what people want. See, that survey PROVES it.
pffft, HARDLY! IF THE BOARD REPRESENTED YOUR SURVEY THERE WOULD HAVE
BEEN A 50/50 SPLIT AMOUNGST THEIR VOTES TOO...ya dumbshit. even ith
your poll not clarifying keeping the observers as they are and giving
them more power any IDIOT CAN SEE THAT 1 VOTE OUT OF 12 IS ABOUT 8%
WHEREAS YOU JUST STATED THAT THER WAS 16% APPROVAL RATING FOR REFS
(not simply more powerful observers). so in order for the usau board
to be doing what YOUR SURVEY PROVES two board members would have to
prefer refs.........and, HELLO DINGLE BRAIN, only one board member was
for more powerful observers.
you poor delusional pizzacunt
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| Re: usau needs voices of decent now more than ever [message #80322 is a reply to message #80309] |
Wed, 27 October 2010 20:51 |
ulticritic
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On Oct 27, 10:10 pm, paul <paul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ohhhh damn what now toad
learn some math......thats what. aside from those basic oversights,
do you really think that face book poll, even in it inaccuracy, is
even close to how the bod thinks about the ref/observer/sotg
issue???
if so, you are more stupid than your pal the pizzaprick
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| Re: usau needs voices of decent now more than ever [message #80341 is a reply to message #80322] |
Thu, 28 October 2010 05:47 |
pizzapinochle
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And Toad whiffs on the reading comprehension once again. Hmmm...but not too badly. I didn't actually make the sarcasm that obvious...maybe I whiffed on sarcasm. Whatever.
Of course that survey doesn't prove diddly squat. Just like 33 people voting on the USAU board doesn't prove anything. Just like your little poll of an extremely limited group of people in NC doesn't prove anything. None of these are statistically significant surveys.
Would it be great if USAU did a vigorous, statistically significant survey? Yes, it would.
However, I don't think any of the elected BOD members were nefarious in their election campaigns. Pretty sure they all made it pretty clear that they were, as Toad would put it, Spirit Zealots. But, at the end of it all, they were elected. We shouldn't be surprised or outraged that people who never expressed a tendency toward higher powered officials before being elected still don't express a tendency toward higher powered officials.
Crap, I am getting into political theory now, something Toad will never understand. Oh well. It will be amusing.
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| Re: usau needs voices of decent now more than ever [message #80351 is a reply to message #80341] |
Thu, 28 October 2010 06:50 |
ulticritic
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On Oct 28, 8:50 am, pizzapinochle <pizzapinoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And Toad whiffs on the reading comprehension once again.
> Hmmm...but not too badly. I didn't actually make the sarcasm
> that obvious...maybe I whiffed on sarcasm. Whatever.
yea, you need to work on your sarcasm
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> Of course that survey doesn't prove diddly squat.
sure it did......it showed that, even with those bullshit numbers you
provided, THE USAU BoD STILL DOSENT REPRESENT THE MEMBERSHIP.
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Just like
> 33 people voting on the USAU board doesn't prove anything.
then maybe the 12 people on the boards' votes dosent (or shouldnt)
prove anything either........other than how unrepresentative they are
of the membership of course.
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> Just like your little poll of an extremely limited group of
> people in NC doesn't prove anything. None of these are
> statistically significant surveys.
so what WOULD prove somthing then? how about if we aggressively
canvas all sectional events annually and retrieve more complete data.
thats my suggestion. seems like a no brainer, right? so why ist it
being done?
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> Would it be great if USAU did a vigorous, statistically
> significant survey? Yes, it would.
well giddu up pizzawart.......go campaign for usau to do that and dont
worry about me. or is it more important to you to get in petty little
debates with me rather than trying to improve the org you are a member
of? please explain?
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> However, I don't think any of the elected BOD members were
> nefarious in their election campaigns. Pretty sure they all
> made it pretty clear that they were, as Toad would put it,
> Spirit Zealots. But, at the end of it all, they were
> elected.
pffft, with a measly 6% voter turnout!!! not the best show of
confidence, dont ya think? or do you interpret the mebership apathy
and tolerance for approval?
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We shouldn't be surprised or outraged that people
> who never expressed a tendency toward higher powered
> officials before being elected still don't express a
> tendency toward higher powered officials.
thats the thing though.....colin refused to "express" it. kinda
slimey in my book.
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> Crap, I am getting into political theory now, something Toad
> will never understand. Oh well. It will be amusing.
i have the basic bob marley philosophy when to comes to political
theory.......which is, NEVER TRUST EM.......especially when they cant
even give ya a straight yes or no answer to a simple question. good
luck in trying to make this more complicated than it is........it IS,
after all they key to the sz's goal of preserving sotg.
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| Re: usau needs voices of decent now more than ever [message #80389 is a reply to message #80319] |
Thu, 28 October 2010 12:39 |
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ulticritic wrote on Wed, 27 October 2010 23:33
just curious though.....how many people have to get polled before the
data can "count"........
In order to get usable data, we want to keep margin of error down as much as possible and acceptable ranges are from 1-4% at 95% certainty.
In order to get x% we would need y respondents:
1% - 7387
2% - 2233
3% - 1033
4% - 589
5% - 380
This is all based off a proposed membership size of 32,000.
It doesn't seem like it would be that hard to hit a 4% margin of error and a little bit of legwork to get down to 2% or 1%. Either way though, this would also need to have good survey design to help minimize data error (and from what I can see in the recent college boundary redo survey), USAU could use some help just with that.
I guess its time to submit my proposal to help them out with their market research. I could probably get a survey designed, launched, and tabulated fairly quickly. Assuming of course the red tape didn't bog this project down too much.
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| Re: usau needs voices of decent now more than ever [message #80395 is a reply to message #80389] |
Thu, 28 October 2010 13:12 |
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On Oct 28, 3:40 pm, mvuong <marvinvu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ulticritic wrote on Wed, 27 October 2010 23:33
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> > just curious though.....how many people have to get
> > polled before the
> > data can "count"........
>
> In order to get usable data, we want to keep margin of error
> down as much as possible and acceptable ranges are from 1-4%
> at 95% certainty.
>
> In order to get x% we would need y respondents:
>
> 1% - 7387
> 2% - 2233
> 3% - 1033
> 4% - 589
> 5% - 380
>
> This is all based off a proposed membership size of 32,000.
>
> It doesn't seem like it would be that hard to hit a 4%
> margin of error and a little bit of legwork to get down to
> 2% or 1%. Either way though, this would also need to have
> good survey design to help minimize data error (and from
> what I can see in the recent college boundary redo survey),
> USAU could use some help just with that.
>
> I guess its time to submit my proposal to help them out with
> their market research. I could probably get a survey
> designed, launched, and tabulated fairly quickly. Assuming
> of course the red tape didn't bog this project down too
> much.
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
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---look, not sure what we're talkin' about.......is it the score
reporter and that weird ground tap thing it does when a team takes the
lead?
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| Re: usau needs voices of decent now more than ever [message #80401 is a reply to message #80389] |
Thu, 28 October 2010 14:01 |
ulticritic
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On Oct 28, 3:40 pm, mvuong <marvinvu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ulticritic wrote on Wed, 27 October 2010 23:33
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> > just curious though.....how many people have to get
> > polled before the
> > data can "count"........
>
> In order to get usable data, we want to keep margin of error
> down as much as possible and acceptable ranges are from 1-4%
> at 95% certainty.
i dont buy that formula at all. 1 to 4 % seems pretty random to me
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> In order to get x% we would need y respondents:
>
> 1% - 7387
> 2% - 2233
> 3% - 1033
> 4% - 589
> 5% - 380
>
> This is all based off a proposed membership size of 32,000.
>
> It doesn't seem like it would be that hard to hit a 4%
> margin of error and a little bit of legwork to get down to
> 2% or 1%. Either way though, this would also need to have
> good survey design to help minimize data error (and from
> what I can see in the recent college boundary redo survey),
> USAU could use some help just with that.
>
> I guess its time to submit my proposal to help them out with
> their market research. I could probably get a survey
> designed, launched, and tabulated fairly quickly. Assuming
> of course the red tape didn't bog this project down too
> much.
giddy up skippy
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