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Hooray for 9th! [message #6569] Sun, 16 November 2008 01:42 Go to next message
daymn482
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Junior Member
Listen:

After arguing for the #1 seed, Hooray not only failed to live up to
their own hype but also stole the coveted "Worst Spirited Team in
Mixed" title from ACS.

Can anyone attest to how they finished with a 2.0 in spirit?? Where
does that rank amongst the lowest spirit scores in Club Nationals
history? Just curious.

Po-too-weet,

Dayman.
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #6577 is a reply to message #6569] Sun, 16 November 2008 08:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
patrickjmooney
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Member
On Nov 16, 4:42 am, daymn...@gmail.com wrote:
> Listen:
>
> After arguing for the #1 seed, Hooray not only failed to live up to
> their own hype but also stole the coveted "Worst Spirited Team in
> Mixed" title from ACS.
>
> Can anyone attest to how they finished with a 2.0 in spirit??  Where
> does that rank amongst the lowest spirit scores in Club Nationals
> history?  Just curious.
>
> Po-too-weet,
>
> Dayman.

im going to go ahead and assume sub zeros low spirit score was solely
due to muffin and the fact that he is one of the worst cheaters in the
game

Mooney
GOAT
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #6579 is a reply to message #6569] Sun, 16 November 2008 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JephB
Messages: 108
Registered: October 2008
Senior Member
On Nov 16, 4:42 am, daymn...@gmail.com wrote:
> Listen:
>
> After arguing for the #1 seed, Hooray not only failed to live up to
> their own hype but also stole the coveted "Worst Spirited Team in
> Mixed" title from ACS.
>
> Can anyone attest to how they finished with a 2.0 in spirit??  Where
> does that rank amongst the lowest spirit scores in Club Nationals
> history?  Just curious.
>
> Po-too-weet,
>
> Dayman.

Foss, Tony
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #6584 is a reply to message #6577] Sun, 16 November 2008 11:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Douglas T Lilley
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On Nov 16, 11:21 am, patrickjmoo...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 16, 4:42 am, daymn...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Listen:
>
> > After arguing for the #1 seed, Hooray not only failed to live up to
> > their own hype but also stole the coveted "Worst Spirited Team in
> > Mixed" title from ACS.
>
> > Can anyone attest to how they finished with a 2.0 in spirit??  Where
> > does that rank amongst the lowest spirit scores in Club Nationals
> > history?  Just curious.
>
> > Po-too-weet,
>
> > Dayman.
>
> im going to go ahead and assume sub zeros low spirit score was solely
> due to muffin and the fact that he is one of the worst cheaters in the
> game
>
> Mooney
> GOAT

Was he the dude from Wisco who laid out on the back of the N. Texas
player out of bounds and put him down for the season year or two ago?
Forgive me if I'm wrong, it may have been someone else but I seem to
recall that name.
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #6585 is a reply to message #6584] Sun, 16 November 2008 11:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Smellsworth
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Can we get on track here? Muffin doesn't play for Hooray or ACS....
Unless you are saying by getting Muffin onto ACS no one could rob us
of the worst spirit title?
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #6587 is a reply to message #6584] Sun, 16 November 2008 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Daag Alemayehu
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On Nov 16, 2:05 pm, Douglas T Lilley <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Was he the dude from Wisco who laid out on the back of the N. Texas
> player out of bounds and put him down for the season year or two ago?
> Forgive me if I'm wrong, it may have been someone else but I seem to
> recall that name.- Hide quoted text -

That was someone else.
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #6596 is a reply to message #6587] Sun, 16 November 2008 14:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gabers20
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Well, we (D'oh!) played Hooray twice at nationals, and both times gave
them a 1 spirit score. The first game was a pretty easy victory for
D'oh! over an exhausted Hooray team, but it was filled with the blond
haired kid with lip ring being a complete d-bag. The game featured him
getting into a verbal argument with every guy on D'oh!. Also, they
didn't bother playing D with their feet, but with their hands,
grabbing us on our cuts whenever they had a chance.

The second game was worse. Hooray got the advantage after D'oh! was
destroyed by injuries in the power pools on Friday. They won this game
pretty easily, 11-9. An unnamed male Hooray player flatted one of our
female players by going over her, and coming down straight down onto
her. As she lay crumpled on the ground gasping for breath, the unnamed
male player spent this time rolling his eyes, trying to make excuses
for taking out a much smaller female player to get the disc in this
all-so-important strength bid game (please notice my sarcasm). After
he argues he had the right to violate her verticality, he screams
"It's Nationals! I have the right to make that play." At that point,
our player gets up off the ground and calls for an injury sub and
calls a foul. The argument continues for several minutes longer, so
the player who got flatted came back onto the field to explain why she
called the foul, at that time the kid with the lip ring turns to her
and says, "You can argue this play any longer, you took an injury
sub."

Also, I have the experience of cutting up line for a goal and having
my jersey grabbed by the short blond kid on Hooray. I got up from
having to layout to catch a disc I easily would have caught without
being grabbed, and told him I didn't appreciate being grabbed, and he
just gestured by putting his hand on his ear and yelling "I can't hear
you!" Hooray cheated, did not play with spirit, and failed to live up
to their name.

I apologize to their women, they were, from what I could tell, very
spirited.

I will say, after our player got flatted, we were not very spirited
after that.

Gabe #20
Captain of D'oh!



On Nov 16, 1:01 pm, Daag Alemayehu <daag.alemay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 16, 2:05 pm, Douglas T Lilley <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Was he the dude from Wisco who laid out on the back of the N. Texas
> > player out of bounds and put him down for the season year or two ago?
> > Forgive me if I'm wrong, it may have been someone else but I seem to
> > recall that name.- Hide quoted text -
>
> That was someone else.
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #6599 is a reply to message #6596] Sun, 16 November 2008 16:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ultimatephotography
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it's not surprising that they'd generally be low because

1. they had a 12-13 game and a 14-15 game - calls come out in closer
games
2. they did poorer than expected, going 1-2 on the first day despite
coming in seeded one in their pool = more frustration = more calls.

I'd expect them to end up on the lower end, but 2.0 is pretty low.

assuming spirit scores from all 7 games, and subtracting the two 1s
that D'oh gave them would still result in a 2.4 spirit rating, which
would still be lower by .9 than the next closest team (ACS, 3.3).

The lowest last year was a 3.1. If you take the rating guidelines at
face value, a 3.0 is fine, really = adequate knowledge, abiding by
rules, generally played fairly, didn't detract from enjoyment.

Here's what a 2.0 equals, according to the program:

Exhibited a lack of respect towards opponents, officials, and/or
SPECTATORS(?). For the level of play, showed a lack of knowledge of or
disregard for the rules at points during the game. Any conflicts were
resolved heatedly or led to contentious incidents. Opposing team's
conduct detracted somewhat from our enjoyment of the game. The
opposing team played unfairly and/or with a poor attitude.
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #6618 is a reply to message #6599] Sun, 16 November 2008 20:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bert
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Junior Member
On Nov 16, 4:11 pm, ultimatephotogra...@gmail.com wrote:
> it's not surprising that they'd generally be low because
>
> 1. they had a 12-13 game and a 14-15 game - calls come out in closer
> games
> 2. they did poorer than expected, going 1-2 on the first day despite
> coming in seeded one in their pool = more frustration = more calls.
>
> I'd expect them to end up on the lower end, but 2.0 is pretty low.
>
> assuming spirit scores from all 7 games, and subtracting the two 1s
> that D'oh gave them would still result in a 2.4 spirit rating, which
> would still be lower by .9 than the next closest team (ACS, 3.3).
>
> The lowest last year was a 3.1.  If you take the rating guidelines at
> face value, a 3.0 is fine, really = adequate knowledge, abiding by
> rules, generally played fairly, didn't detract from enjoyment.
>
> Here's what a 2.0 equals, according to the program:
>
> Exhibited a lack of respect towards opponents, officials, and/or
> SPECTATORS(?). For the level of play, showed a lack of knowledge of or
> disregard for the rules at points during the game. Any conflicts were
> resolved heatedly or led to contentious incidents. Opposing team's
> conduct detracted somewhat from our enjoyment of the game.  The
> opposing team played unfairly and/or with a poor attitude.

I assure you, Hooray deserved, no, REQUIRED the spirit scores of 1
that D'oh gave them:
"Exhibited a major lack of respect towards opponents, officials, and/
or spectators. For the level of play, exhibited no knowledge of the
rules or blatantly disregarded them during the game. Conflicts were
resolved acrimoniously or led directly to contentious incidents.
Opposing team's conduct made the game basically unenjoyable. The
opposing team played unfairly and their attitude was abysmal."

Going into Nationals, I had never played in a game with worse spirit
than in day 1 against Hooray. Little did I know that they would
shatter their own record for poor spirit that same weekend. Speaking
as the woman who was leveled, was mildly concussed, had an asthma
attack triggered, then disrespected as I attempted to make my case
with the guy that jumped on top of me and landed so hard I heard he
actually bounced....this team (except, as Gabe noted, their women)
fully deserve the spirit scores we gave them. Their players go against
everything ultimate stands for. I am disgusted with them. As I not-so-
spiritedly screamed after I got in a shouting match with the lip
ringed mohawked ****er, they are disgraceful human beings.

As I reread the spirit rating guidelines, I found Hooray fit every
single aspect of the "1" spirit rating. Major lack of respect for
everyone...check. Blatant disregard for the rules....check.
Contentious incidents...involved in that check mark. Basically
unenjoyable game....sick-to-my-stomach-with-disgust-check. Unfair play
and abysmal attitude....check. Disgraceful human beings...check.

-Bert
#42, D'oh
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #6621 is a reply to message #6599] Sun, 16 November 2008 21:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yesw653
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Junior Member
> it's not surprising that they'd generally be low because
>
> 1. they had a 12-13 game and a 14-15 game - calls come out in closer
> games
> 2. they did poorer than expected, going 1-2 on the first day despite
> coming in seeded one in their pool = more frustration = more calls.


Unfortunately, Hooray's sportsmanship cannot be explained simply from
results of their games. I've had the displeasure of playing this
group a couple of times in summer tournaments, and they have the worst
sportsmanship I ever seen from a coed group. Both times I have seen a
male player take out a female exactly as described in this thread and
show not only no remorse but anger that anyone question his brilliant
play with a foul call. I have also seen them (again, their male
players), just as described by D'oh, make irrational statements that
have nothing to do with the rules to defend their calls. Even when
discreetly questioned about their counterparts, the women on the team
surprisingly defend their teammates with little reason. I don't know
how they put up with it for a whole season, guys who play like that
are the reason women don't play coed. I'm very surprised to hear they
played at nationals without observers, but maybe there were not enough
for the coed division.

yes 65
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #6648 is a reply to message #6569] Mon, 17 November 2008 07:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
danfrisbeeman
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Sorry, but where do you find these spirit scores? Link please?
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #6651 is a reply to message #6648] Mon, 17 November 2008 08:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Josh Drury
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Registered: October 2008
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On Nov 17, 9:50 am, "danfrisbee...@yahoo.com"
<danfrisbee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, but where do you find these spirit scores?  Link please?

If you check the UPA score reporter site, spirit score standings are
now up (above the scores themselves) along with final placement, for
each division:
Open: http://www.upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=127&id=5217
Women: http://www.upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=127&id=5218
Mixed: http://www.upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=127&id=5219
Masters doesn't have spirit posted yet (at the time I'm posting
anyway) but in case it's added later: http://www.upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=127&id=5220

As an aside and a counterpoint to calling out particular teams for
poor spirit - congratulations to Fury on taking the double crown of
Women's champs and tops in spirit in their division. Also close to
pulling this off was Ironside, 2nd in both on the Open side.
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #6674 is a reply to message #6621] Mon, 17 November 2008 11:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MC
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On Nov 16, 6:11 pm, ultimatephotogra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Exhibited a lack of respect towards opponents, officials, and/or
> SPECTATORS(?). For the level of play, showed a lack of knowledge of or
> disregard for the rules at points during the game. Any conflicts were
> resolved heatedly or led to contentious incidents. Opposing team's
> conduct detracted somewhat from our enjoyment of the game. The
> opposing team played unfairly and/or with a poor attitude.

Not to beat a dead horse here, but I would have to agree with the
ranking they received. We (Chewbacca) played them twice. Once to
play into prequarters and once for 9th place.

As with most teams, they had many good-spirited players (Link,
Captains, etc. were extremely nice). However, they had some glaring
spirit "standouts." Now, being one of those standouts on my team,
it's somewhat hypocritical of me to talk on this subject, but I get
excited and heated, but I do not do what these guys do. They foul
with the purpose of slowing teams down. I understand this happens
sometimes, but when you refuse to let a player attempt a throw
multiple times in a row, it crosses the line of hard D into the area
of cheating. Our team often succeeded by breaking the mark and Hooray
would literally hug, hack, and push to stop the break. You could hear
teammates of theirs telling them to get more physical and to actually
foul on the mark to prevent breaks.

In our first game, we had to request observers. We asked to get them
before the game, but there were none available. One of the main
reasons we asked was on the recommendation from other teams and seeing
them almost get in a fight with the Cougars (who were extremely
spirited, imho). I saw the play that caused the scuffle, and it by no
means warranted the reaction from the Hooray player. Our second game,
we had to stop the game after one of their players hurt one of our
throwers when he hucked it. The mark was far off and had no play on
the disc, but ran in at the hucker and blatantly fouled him to try and
stop the huck. End result, was a hyper-extended elbow of one of our
best throwers. We had to stop the game and put out a plea for a calm
down. We like to play hard and physical, but the way Hooray cheated
was risky and showed a lack of respect for the opponent and lack or
regard for the opponents well-being. We just wanted to get out of the
game without any more injuries and incidents. It was for ninth place,
which we wanted to hold seed, but I've honestly never wanted to play a
team less than I did at that moment. They successfully cheated the
fire and intensity out of everyone of our players. I looked at my
team at halftime, and you could see exasperated faces because they
just didn't want to play such a group of assholes anymore.

Anyways, I agree with D'oh here. These guys need to assess their
priorities and how they want to play the game. I've played ultimate
for 6.5 years at the national level in college open, club open and
club mixed and have never faced an opponent that cheated and displayed
the poor sportsmanship they did. I'm glad I never have to play them
again.

-matty
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #6679 is a reply to message #6618] Mon, 17 November 2008 11:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dan
Messages: 27
Registered: September 2008
Junior Member
On Nov 16, 11:43 pm, Bert <rjmabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 16, 4:11 pm, ultimatephotogra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > it's not surprising that they'd generally be low because
>
> > 1. they had a 12-13 game and a 14-15 game - calls come out in closer
> > games
> > 2. they did poorer than expected, going 1-2 on the first day despite
> > coming in seeded one in their pool = more frustration = more calls.
>
> > I'd expect them to end up on the lower end, but 2.0 is pretty low.
>
> > assuming spirit scores from all 7 games, and subtracting the two 1s
> > that D'oh gave them would still result in a 2.4 spirit rating, which
> > would still be lower by .9 than the next closest team (ACS, 3.3).
>
> > The lowest last year was a 3.1.  If you take the rating guidelines at
> > face value, a 3.0 is fine, really = adequate knowledge, abiding by
> > rules, generally played fairly, didn't detract from enjoyment.
>
> > Here's what a 2.0 equals, according to the program:
>
> > Exhibited a lack of respect towards opponents, officials, and/or
> > SPECTATORS(?). For the level of play, showed a lack of knowledge of or
> > disregard for the rules at points during the game. Any conflicts were
> > resolved heatedly or led to contentious incidents. Opposing team's
> > conduct detracted somewhat from our enjoyment of the game.  The
> > opposing team played unfairly and/or with a poor attitude.
>
> I assure you, Hooray deserved, no, REQUIRED the spirit scores of 1
> that D'oh gave them:
> "Exhibited a major lack of respect towards opponents, officials, and/
> or spectators. For the level of play, exhibited no knowledge of the
> rules or blatantly disregarded them during the game. Conflicts were
> resolved acrimoniously or led directly to contentious incidents.
> Opposing team's conduct made the game basically unenjoyable. The
> opposing team played unfairly and their attitude was abysmal."
>
> Going into Nationals, I had never played in a game with worse spirit
> than in day 1 against Hooray. Little did I know that they would
> shatter their own record for poor spirit that same weekend. Speaking
> as the woman who was leveled, was mildly concussed, had an asthma
> attack triggered, then disrespected as I attempted to make my case
> with the guy that jumped on top of me and landed so hard I heard he
> actually bounced....this team (except, as Gabe noted, their women)
> fully deserve the spirit scores we gave them. Their players go against
> everything ultimate stands for. I am disgusted with them. As I not-so-
> spiritedly screamed after I got in a shouting match with the lip
> ringed mohawked ****er, they are disgraceful human beings.
>
> As I reread the spirit rating guidelines, I found Hooray fit every
> single aspect of the "1" spirit rating. Major lack of respect for
> everyone...check. Blatant disregard for the rules....check.
> Contentious incidents...involved in that check mark. Basically
> unenjoyable game....sick-to-my-stomach-with-disgust-check. Unfair play
> and abysmal attitude....check. Disgraceful human beings...check.
>
> -Bert
> #42, D'oh

Our game (Puppet Regime) with Hooray was one of the aforementioned
close games and while it was contentious and there were lots of
discussions about calls, it never really got totally out of hand. The
lip-ringed mohawked guy was fairly belligerent but towards the end of
the game, he seemed to be yelling at both teams, which was amusing.

I find D'Oh's accusations of the male player making a reckless play on
a disc that caused injury to a female player to be hypocritical, as
#20 on D'Oh absolutely obliterated one of the females on our team
during our pool play game. My teammate got knocked to the ground,
eventually got up noticeably whoozy, called an injury and foul, to
which the reply was an animated explanation of how he went "straight
up". How he was behind her and she ends up on the ground in tears when
he goes "straight up" is beyond me. Sure enough, en egregious contest
to the foul was called and not a whisper of an apology was directed
towards our player.

I'm not saying D'Oh's complaints are unfounded or that Hooray should
have won the spirit award, but from my perspective, D'Oh's accusations
related to this play seem a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
However, with the exception of this play, our game with D'Oh was much
cleaner and displayed better sportsmanship than our game with Hooray.

Any other teams that played Hooray at Nationals have some perspective?

Dan Yi
Puppet Regime #23
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #6682 is a reply to message #6679] Mon, 17 November 2008 12:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JephB
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g0RLyxP13o


Whats Beef?
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #6728 is a reply to message #6651] Mon, 17 November 2008 20:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Josh Drury
Messages: 47
Registered: October 2008
Member
On Nov 17, 10:14 am, Josh Drury <joshdr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 9:50 am, "danfrisbee...@yahoo.com"
>
> <danfrisbee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sorry, but where do you find these spirit scores? Link please?
>
> If you check the UPA score reporter site, spirit score standings are
> now up (above the scores themselves) along with final placement, for
> each division:
> Open:http://www.upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=127&id=5217
> Women:http://www.upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=127&id=521 8
> Mixed:http://www.upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=127&id=521 9
> Masters doesn't have spirit posted yet (at the time I'm posting
> anyway) but in case it's added later:http://www.upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=127&id=522 0
>
> As an aside and a counterpoint to calling out particular teams for
> poor spirit - congratulations to Fury on taking the double crown of
> Women's champs and tops in spirit in their division. Also close to
> pulling this off was Ironside, 2nd in both on the Open side.

Masters results are up now and a couple more shoutouts to add to the
call outs - Surly (Champs, yeah Central region!) and Mileage (2nd)
tied for 2nd place in Spirit. More evidence that competitive play and
spirited play are by no means mutually exclusive.
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #7128 is a reply to message #6679] Thu, 20 November 2008 09:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tim
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Registered: September 2008
Junior Member
On Nov 17, 2:31 pm, Dan <daniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 16, 11:43 pm, Bert <rjmabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 16, 4:11 pm, ultimatephotogra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > it's not surprising that they'd generally be low because
>
> > > 1. they had a 12-13 game and a 14-15 game - calls come out in closer
> > > games
> > > 2. they did poorer than expected, going 1-2 on the first day despite
> > > coming in seeded one in their pool = more frustration = more calls.
>
> > > I'd expect them to end up on the lower end, but 2.0 is pretty low.
>
> > > assuming spirit scores from all 7 games, and subtracting the two 1s
> > > that D'oh gave them would still result in a 2.4 spirit rating, which
> > > would still be lower by .9 than the next closest team (ACS, 3.3).
>
> > > The lowest last year was a 3.1.  If you take the rating guidelines at
> > > face value, a 3.0 is fine, really = adequate knowledge, abiding by
> > > rules, generally played fairly, didn't detract from enjoyment.
>
> > > Here's what a 2.0 equals, according to the program:
>
> > > Exhibited a lack of respect towards opponents, officials, and/or
> > > SPECTATORS(?). For the level of play, showed a lack of knowledge of or
> > > disregard for the rules at points during the game. Any conflicts were
> > > resolved heatedly or led to contentious incidents. Opposing team's
> > > conduct detracted somewhat from our enjoyment of the game.  The
> > > opposing team played unfairly and/or with a poor attitude.
>
> > I assure you, Hooray deserved, no, REQUIRED the spirit scores of 1
> > that D'oh gave them:
> > "Exhibited a major lack of respect towards opponents, officials, and/
> > or spectators. For the level of play, exhibited no knowledge of the
> > rules or blatantly disregarded them during the game. Conflicts were
> > resolved acrimoniously or led directly to contentious incidents.
> > Opposing team's conduct made the game basically unenjoyable. The
> > opposing team played unfairly and their attitude was abysmal."
>
> > Going into Nationals, I had never played in a game with worse spirit
> > than in day 1 against Hooray. Little did I know that they would
> > shatter their own record for poor spirit that same weekend. Speaking
> > as the woman who was leveled, was mildly concussed, had an asthma
> > attack triggered, then disrespected as I attempted to make my case
> > with the guy that jumped on top of me and landed so hard I heard he
> > actually bounced....this team (except, as Gabe noted, their women)
> > fully deserve the spirit scores we gave them. Their players go against
> > everything ultimate stands for. I am disgusted with them. As I not-so-
> > spiritedly screamed after I got in a shouting match with the lip
> > ringed mohawked ****er, they are disgraceful human beings.
>
> > As I reread the spirit rating guidelines, I found Hooray fit every
> > single aspect of the "1" spirit rating. Major lack of respect for
> > everyone...check. Blatant disregard for the rules....check.
> > Contentious incidents...involved in that check mark. Basically
> > unenjoyable game....sick-to-my-stomach-with-disgust-check. Unfair play
> > and abysmal attitude....check. Disgraceful human beings...check.
>
> > -Bert
> > #42, D'oh
>
> Our game (Puppet Regime) with Hooray was one of the aforementioned
> close games and while it was contentious and there were lots of
> discussions about calls, it never really got totally out of hand. The
> lip-ringed mohawked guy was fairly belligerent but towards the end of
> the game, he seemed to be yelling at both teams, which was amusing.
>
> I find D'Oh's accusations of the male player making a reckless play on
> a disc that caused injury to a female player to be hypocritical, as
> #20 on D'Oh absolutely obliterated one of the females on our team
> during our pool play game.  My teammate got knocked to the ground,
> eventually got up noticeably whoozy, called an injury and foul, to
> which the reply was an animated explanation of how he went "straight
> up". How he was behind her and she ends up on the ground in tears when
> he goes "straight up" is beyond me.  Sure enough, en egregious contest
> to the foul was called and not a whisper of an apology was directed
> towards our player.
>
> I'm not saying D'Oh's complaints are unfounded or that Hooray should
> have won the spirit award, but from my perspective, D'Oh's accusations
> related to this play seem a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
> However, with the exception of this play, our game with D'Oh was much
> cleaner and displayed better sportsmanship than our game with Hooray.
>
> Any other teams that played Hooray at Nationals have some perspective?
>
> Dan Yi
> Puppet Regime #23

Dan, perhaps you've forgotten the terrible travel call they made on
Mike Lee at 6-4 - a call the player was unable to justify yet refused
to take back. A point that should have made the score 7-4 ended up
making the game 6-5. Pretty crucial point if you ask me. Yeah, our
game didn't get out of hand but it's little things like that that can
really turn the tide in a game. I've played this team like 6-7 times
over the last three years (and they didn't even exist last year so
it's actually really only two years) and the experience has been the
same over and over. The guys cheat blatantly and will do anything to
win. It's true that not the entire team does. However, when one of
their bad apples makes a bad call, it's supported by the rest of the
team and I tend to think that's just as bad. I don't hate these guys,
but I absolutely hate playing them. Ultimate simply isn't fun against
these guys, especially if you're winning. In my opinion, their low
spirit ranking is a pretty good assessment of what kind of team they
are. I think this is pretty much a moot point anyway though since I
doubt the UPA gives a crap.

P.S. Watching Nick Porifico (aforementioned mohawk guy) go insane was
HILARIOUS
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #7160 is a reply to message #7128] Thu, 20 November 2008 12:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tgp109
Messages: 2
Registered: November 2008
Junior Member
I am the player in question on Hooray from Tim's email that made the
horrible travel call. I take offense to everything that you just
posted.

First off, i called travel and justified my reason simply by saying
that he dragged his foot as he threw. I honestly thought that he
traveled or i would have changed my call. As i recall, you were the
person here that displayed the poorest spirit of anyone from an
opposing team that i played against all weekend. There wasn't a huge
argument or shoving or screaming. I kept quiet after i said that he
dragged his foot because you exploded on the sidelines. You called me
a disgrace to ultimate, a cheater, as well as a lot of other horrible
things. You weren't even on the field but that didn't stop you from
saying unspirited remarks all game towards me and my team. I wanted
to let this go but apparently you still can't. And Puppet had at
least 5 more chances to score on that point as the point had turnover
after turnover. Apparently winning isn't enough for you. I really
like and respect puppet regime and do not judge you or your team but
your comments or one angry tirade. However, i'm not about to sit by
and let you badmouth me and my teammates after you personally
demonstrated such horrible spirit.

As for Chewy and D'oh and everyone, i truly apologize for our less
than ideal spirit in our games. We need to try harder and do better
as competitors in a game that we all play for fun. We talk a lot
about having better spirit, but Hooray needs to do more as a team to
show that in the games. We take your comments to heart and will
improve. Thank you
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #7162 is a reply to message #7160] Thu, 20 November 2008 12:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tgp109
Messages: 2
Registered: November 2008
Junior Member
Ah, forgot to add this onto my last post.

--Tom Pribicko
#32 Co-Captain of Hooray
Green Hat Guy
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #7172 is a reply to message #7160] Thu, 20 November 2008 13:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Casey
Messages: 8
Registered: November 2008
Junior Member
On Nov 20, 2:12 pm, tgp...@psu.edu wrote:
> I am the player in question on Hooray from Tim's email that made the
> horrible travel call.  I take offense to everything that you just
> posted.
>
> First off, i called travel and justified my reason simply by saying
> that he dragged his foot as he threw.  I honestly thought that he
> traveled or i would have changed my call.  As i recall, you were the
> person here that displayed the poorest spirit of anyone from an
> opposing team that i played against all weekend.  There wasn't a huge
> argument or shoving or screaming.  I kept quiet after i said that he
> dragged his foot because you exploded on the sidelines.  You called me
> a disgrace to ultimate, a cheater, as well as a lot of other horrible
> things.  You weren't even on the field but that didn't stop you from
> saying unspirited remarks all game towards me and my team.  I wanted
> to let this go but apparently you still can't.    And Puppet had at
> least 5 more chances to score on that point as the point had turnover
> after turnover. Apparently winning isn't enough for you.  I really
> like and respect puppet regime and do not judge you or your team but
> your comments or one angry tirade.  However, i'm not about to sit by
> and let you badmouth me and my teammates after you personally
> demonstrated such horrible spirit.
>
> As for Chewy and D'oh and everyone, i truly apologize for our less
> than ideal spirit in our games.  We need to try harder and do better
> as competitors in a game that we all play for fun.  We talk a lot
> about having better spirit, but Hooray needs to do more as a team to
> show that in the games.  We take your comments to heart and will
> improve.  Thank you

Irony:

205 words about how much it sucks to play against a player who has
poor spirit, specifically how butthurt you were following one
altercation with one player who yelled at you. Then, and only after
clambering atop some imagined moral high ground, you offer up 72 words
containing a half-hearted apology about your entire team's poor
spirit.

Ha!

As an aside, maybe things started getting out of hand about the same
time spirit replaced sportsmanship (and whining in an online forum
replaced standing up to and staring down those who cheat so
egregiously.) I'm just sayin'....
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #7176 is a reply to message #7172] Thu, 20 November 2008 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ted
Messages: 10
Registered: November 2008
Junior Member
On Nov 20, 4:28 pm, Casey <cas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 20, 2:12 pm, tgp...@psu.edu wrote:
>
>
>
> > I am the player in question on Hooray from Tim's email that made the
> > horrible travel call.  I take offense to everything that you just
> > posted.
>
> > First off, i called travel and justified my reason simply by saying
> > that he dragged his foot as he threw.  I honestly thought that he
> > traveled or i would have changed my call.  As i recall, you were the
> > person here that displayed the poorest spirit of anyone from an
> > opposing team that i played against all weekend.  There wasn't a huge
> > argument or shoving or screaming.  I kept quiet after i said that he
> > dragged his foot because you exploded on the sidelines.  You called me
> > a disgrace to ultimate, a cheater, as well as a lot of other horrible
> > things.  You weren't even on the field but that didn't stop you from
> > saying unspirited remarks all game towards me and my team.  I wanted
> > to let this go but apparently you still can't.    And Puppet had at
> > least 5 more chances to score on that point as the point had turnover
> > after turnover. Apparently winning isn't enough for you.  I really
> > like and respect puppet regime and do not judge you or your team but
> > your comments or one angry tirade.  However, i'm not about to sit by
> > and let you badmouth me and my teammates after you personally
> > demonstrated such horrible spirit.
>
> > As for Chewy and D'oh and everyone, i truly apologize for our less
> > than ideal spirit in our games.  We need to try harder and do better
> > as competitors in a game that we all play for fun.  We talk a lot
> > about having better spirit, but Hooray needs to do more as a team to
> > show that in the games.  We take your comments to heart and will
> > improve.  Thank you
>
> Irony:
>
> 205 words about how much it sucks to play against a player who has
> poor spirit, specifically how butthurt you were following one
> altercation with one player who yelled at you.  Then, and only after
> clambering atop some imagined moral high ground, you offer up 72 words
> containing a half-hearted apology about your entire team's poor
> spirit.
>
> Ha!
>
> As an aside, maybe things started getting out of hand about the same
> time spirit replaced sportsmanship (and whining in an online forum
> replaced standing up to and staring down those who cheat so
> egregiously.)  I'm just sayin'....

word-count-as-measure-of-validity...Melville would've been proud
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #7180 is a reply to message #6569] Thu, 20 November 2008 14:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
T
Messages: 110
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
All those times I've gotten into it with Hooray, I thought they just
didn't like me.

T
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #7241 is a reply to message #7160] Thu, 20 November 2008 20:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colinmcintyre
Messages: 1256
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Nov 20, 3:12 pm, tgp...@psu.edu wrote:
> However, i'm not about to sit by
> and let you badmouth me and my teammates after you personally
> demonstrated such horrible spirit.

I don't think someone who is abrasive/unpleasant calling someone else
a cheater is an example of the pot calling the kettle black, just
because people unclearly lump it all under "spirit."
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #7350 is a reply to message #7160] Fri, 21 November 2008 13:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tim
Messages: 21
Registered: September 2008
Junior Member
On Nov 20, 3:12 pm, tgp...@psu.edu wrote:
> I am the player in question on Hooray from Tim's email that made the
> horrible travel call.  I take offense to everything that you just
> posted.
>
> First off, i called travel and justified my reason simply by saying
> that he dragged his foot as he threw.  I honestly thought that he
> traveled or i would have changed my call.  As i recall, you were the
> person here that displayed the poorest spirit of anyone from an
> opposing team that i played against all weekend.  There wasn't a huge
> argument or shoving or screaming.  I kept quiet after i said that he
> dragged his foot because you exploded on the sidelines.  You called me
> a disgrace to ultimate, a cheater, as well as a lot of other horrible
> things.  You weren't even on the field but that didn't stop you from
> saying unspirited remarks all game towards me and my team.  I wanted
> to let this go but apparently you still can't.    And Puppet had at
> least 5 more chances to score on that point as the point had turnover
> after turnover. Apparently winning isn't enough for you.  I really
> like and respect puppet regime and do not judge you or your team but
> your comments or one angry tirade.  However, i'm not about to sit by
> and let you badmouth me and my teammates after you personally
> demonstrated such horrible spirit.
>
> As for Chewy and D'oh and everyone, i truly apologize for our less
> than ideal spirit in our games.  We need to try harder and do better
> as competitors in a game that we all play for fun.  We talk a lot
> about having better spirit, but Hooray needs to do more as a team to
> show that in the games.  We take your comments to heart and will
> improve.  Thank you

Tom,

Can you please clarify? I don't recall ever displaying any poor
spirit at any point during the game as I'm generally rather
introverted and tend to keep to myself. I definitely don't remember
exchanging any words with you. Perhaps you have me confused with
someone else.

Timothy Chang
#31
Re: Hooray for 9th! [message #7353 is a reply to message #6682] Fri, 21 November 2008 13:53 Go to previous message
swillaholic
Messages: 78
Registered: September 2008
Member
On Nov 17, 3:06 pm, JephB <FreeRonArt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g0RLyxP13o
>
> Whats Beef?

Beef is when I see you, guranteed to be in ICU.
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