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Give Cultimate an "out" [message #5573] Fri, 07 November 2008 10:33 Go to next message
Fetch
Messages: 28
Registered: October 2008
Junior Member
Dear Cultimate,

While your efforts at C1 are valiant and positive in some ways- one
being that C1 lit a fire under the UPA's ass, I would like to say that
backing out of C1 now would still be and can still save face, dignity
and respect. There is no harm in saying that maybe this is not the
best thing for Ultimate at large and for the greater good of the sport
at the moment and in this fashion. Backing out will show sound
judgment and possibly help your company long term as opposed to having
the stain of arrogance, ego, and many things you might not want in a
company.

Backing out now will show me and many others that you are capable of
quality choices, and your interests lie in what is best for the
Ultimate and the sport itself. Just because you painted yourself into
a corner does not mean you can not still get out. Drop the ego, admit
that all you want is to see the sport grow competitively, and then
move on. I think people will see you better for it, especially if you
do it now while it's not too late. Don't muck up the sport we all
love and get your feet so heavy you can't run when needed.

In the words of Kenny Rogers:
You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when you're sittin' at the table.
There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealin's done.

Now evry gambler knows that the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away and knowing what to keep.
cause evry hands a winner and evry hands a loser,
And the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep.

Warmly,
David "Fetch" Janinis
Re: Give Cultimate an "out" [message #5581 is a reply to message #5573] Fri, 07 November 2008 12:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
swillaholic
Messages: 78
Registered: September 2008
Member
On Nov 7, 1:33 pm, Fetch <discoscalien...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Cultimate,
>
> While your efforts at C1 are valiant and positive in some ways- one
> being that C1 lit a fire under the UPA's ass, I would like to say that
> backing out of C1 now would still be and can still save face, dignity
> and respect.  There is no harm in saying that maybe this is not the
> best thing for Ultimate at large and for the greater good of the sport
> at the moment and in this fashion.  Backing out will show sound
> judgment and possibly help your company long term as opposed to having
> the stain of arrogance, ego, and many things you might not want in a
> company.
>
> Backing out now will show me and many others that you are capable of
> quality choices, and your interests lie in what is best for the
> Ultimate and the sport itself.  Just because you painted yourself into
> a corner does not mean you can not still get out.  Drop the ego, admit
> that all you want is to see the sport grow competitively, and then
> move on.  I think people will see you better for it, especially if you
> do it now while it's not too late.  Don't muck up the sport we all
> love and get your feet so heavy you can't run when needed.
>
> In the words of Kenny Rogers:
> You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em,
> Know when to walk away and know when to run.
> You never count your money when you're sittin' at the table.
> There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealin's done.
>
> Now evry gambler knows that the secret to survivin'
> Is knowin' what to throw away and knowing what to keep.
> cause evry hands a winner and evry hands a loser,
> And the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep.
>
> Warmly,
> David "Fetch" Janinis

Somethings to think about...

Perhaps C1 was a concept/proposal that was not conceived solely by
Cultimate, and that a few 'elite' teams have wanted a focused effort
for an 'elite' division, and that Cultimate was best positioned to
make an attempt at this venture....

C1 would be a logistical nightmare, a large commitment of money/time/
effort, and easily forseen as being hugely unpopular. I cannot see
this venture being fueled solely by sheer greed....

Cultimate is not embodied by C1. I mean, as an ultimate player, is it
so hard to accept a player can make a shitty call and yet, not be a
complete asshole?

Cyle had a moment (note, not a history) of mis-using funds but has
also demonstrated frequently appropriate usage of 'much larger' funds
since then.

Is one organization or association, that is predominantly volunteer
based, best suited to oversee Youth, HS. College, Club, Masters,
GrandMasters(?) in all divisions, while addressing national/
international agendas related to the sport?
Re: Give Cultimate an "out" [message #5586 is a reply to message #5581] Fri, 07 November 2008 12:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
eddiegelfen
Messages: 43
Registered: September 2008
Member
On Nov 7, 3:06 pm, swillaho...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Cultimate is not embodied by C1. I mean, as an ultimate player, is it
> so hard to accept a player can make a shitty call and yet, not be a
> complete asshole?

Is this some sort of metaphor for Cultimate, or are we talking about
Cyle? What if he's a complete asshole while making his shitty calls?
Re: Give Cultimate an "out" [message #5598 is a reply to message #5573] Fri, 07 November 2008 15:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Nov 7, 1:33 pm, Fetch <discoscalien...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Cultimate,
>
> While your efforts at C1 are valiant and positive in some ways- one
> being that C1 lit a fire under the UPA's ass, I would like to say that
> backing out of C1 now would still be and can still save face, dignity
> and respect.  There is no harm in saying that maybe this is not the
> best thing for Ultimate at large and for the greater good of the sport
> at the moment and in this fashion.  Backing out will show sound
> judgment and possibly help your company long term as opposed to having
> the stain of arrogance, ego, and many things you might not want in a
> company.
>
> Backing out now will show me and many others that you are capable of
> quality choices, and your interests lie in what is best for the
> Ultimate and the sport itself.  Just because you painted yourself into
> a corner does not mean you can not still get out.  Drop the ego, admit
> that all you want is to see the sport grow competitively, and then
> move on.  I think people will see you better for it, especially if you
> do it now while it's not too late.  Don't muck up the sport we all
> love and get your feet so heavy you can't run when needed.
>
> In the words of Kenny Rogers:
> You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em,
> Know when to walk away and know when to run.
> You never count your money when you're sittin' at the table.
> There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealin's done.
>
> Now evry gambler knows that the secret to survivin'
> Is knowin' what to throw away and knowing what to keep.
> cause evry hands a winner and evry hands a loser,
> And the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep.
>
> Warmly,
> David "Fetch" Janinis

you got some fuckin ego on you there fetch
Re: Give Cultimate an "out" [message #5623 is a reply to message #5598] Fri, 07 November 2008 20:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Powderkeg
Messages: 10
Registered: October 2008
Junior Member
> you got some fuckin ego on you there fetch

uhh... seriously? YOU'RE going to call out someone else on having a
big ego? I'm seriously hoping someone other than me understands the
irony of that statement.
Who died and made you king of rsd ?? You respond to every post on here
with condescension and ignorance unless their statements are
completely in line with your own thinking.
I wont claim to know who you are.. because.. um.. i don't. But even if
you were the greatest ultimate player alive I'd still reckon you were
a huge asshole.
yay for useless internet banter. do respond.

and just for the fuck of it. C1 is a good idea with shitty planning,
execution and most importantly little to no regard for the collegiate
ultimate landscape as a whole.
I understand change is necessary and that a tiered system is probably
necessary, but just hijacking the "top" 25 teams off the bat and not
allowing anyone else any shots at them? stupid.
Re: Give Cultimate an "out" [message #5644 is a reply to message #5623] Sat, 08 November 2008 05:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Nov 7, 11:37 pm, Powderkeg <canadian_rai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > you got some fuckin ego on you there fetch
>
> uhh... seriously?

YES seriously!
---------------------------------------------------------


YOU'RE going to call out someone else on having a
> big ego?    I'm seriously hoping someone other than me understands the
> irony of that statement.


oh i'm sure many do.......and to no big surprise they are probably all
upa loyalist spirit zealots.
------------------------------------------------------------ -
> Who died and made you king of rsd ??

no one died.......i just took over.
-------------------------------------------------------



You respond to every post on here
> with condescension and ignorance unless their statements are
> completely in line with your own thinking.


which is my right.........and my own goddamned business
-----------------------------------------------------------
> I wont claim to know who you are.. because.. um.. i don't. But even if
> you were the greatest ultimate player alive I'd still reckon you were
> a huge asshole.


the you are very perceptive........cause that IS kinda the angle i'm
takin here. Many that do know me WILL concure to a certian
extent.......shit, even my wife often thinks i'm an asshole......maybe
even a huge one. Understand though, just cause i'm an asshole dosent
make me wrong(which is somthing i have to sometimes remi9nd my wife
of). Most of my beliefs concerning ultimate simply stem from how i
see other sports operated. So if i am wrong (on top of being an
asshole) then i guess mainstream sports are wrong too.
-----------------------------------------------------------
> yay for useless internet banter. do respond.

done
-----------------------------------------------
>
> and just for the fuck of it. C1 is a good idea with shitty planning,
> execution and most importantly little to no regard for the collegiate
> ultimate landscape as a whole.
> I understand change is necessary and that a tiered system is probably
> necessary, but just hijacking the "top" 25 teams off the bat and not
> allowing anyone else any shots at them? stupid.


well why not give it a chance. if ya weigh out the worst that can
happen from the best and any realistic person will conclude that its
at least worth a try(unless you are a upa loyalist spirit zealot).

In the end the upa should take this experience as a BIG lesson.

be more creative
be more urgant
be more willing to embrace change
be more proactive
be more active in understanding the wants and needs of the membership

and

get off your ass with a creative way to deal with top level club comp
before all those best teams get snatched from the upa series too.
Re: Give Cultimate an "out" [message #5656 is a reply to message #5644] Sat, 08 November 2008 11:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
throw
Messages: 743
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
Toad,

Over beers last night Kristina Dentina mentioned she has been missing
favorite handbags & shoes longer than
you played ultimate.

Go away....but do have a good weekend (Same goes for you Rush
Limbaugh).

Hank & Co.
www.thisisultimate.com

"Where observers are "in" and refs are a developing myth."
Re: Give Cultimate an "out" [message #5691 is a reply to message #5573] Sun, 09 November 2008 06:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
LimerickJim
Messages: 1
Registered: November 2008
Junior Member
tho i'm taking a look at this from across the ocean i do have to
largely agree with fetch. i think its great that cultimate got out
there and lit a fire under the UPA. i founded my team here in Ireland
but have always held that if i felt that being a member of Ireland's
governing body wasn't good for my club then we'd de-affiliate and form
our own group. and now that the C1 idea is out there its always an
option for teams if the UPA goes fucking around.

however i don't see how a divide in Ultimate at this really early
stage of our sport is a good thing. i also feel i don't know enough
about the tiered system to give a proper opinion but it seems that if
there were proper channels for promotion and relegation between the
tiers that it could be a good idea. i've always held that a schools
ultimate program has little to do with their schools academic program.
with teams like williams regularly punching above their weight it'd be
a shame to not recognize the commitment of those few people who try
hard to make their small college into a great ultimate team.

Limerick Jim
Re: Give Cultimate an "out" [message #5709 is a reply to message #5691] Sun, 09 November 2008 15:38 Go to previous message
jacob
Messages: 576
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
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