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Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55495 is a reply to message #55494] Wed, 24 March 2010 10:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vancer
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No, you are playing in the hat tournament, but not paying for it. Even
worse, you are telling others that is acceptable behavior, and
providing specific instructions on how to do the same.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55496 is a reply to message #55489] Wed, 24 March 2010 10:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stevepetersonsmail
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On Mar 24, 12:57 pm, tyler kinley <tkin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Joe,
>
> Do you play ultimate? Are you going to any tourneys this summer?
>
> If so, with whom will you be playing?
>
> Tyler

Well, we're waiting for your answer ?

You sound like you would be a blast to play against. I'd like to go
ahead and recommend that you announce your tournament playing schedule
so that oberservers can be arranged well in advance. If you don't
know the basic societal concept of right from wrong you can't be
expected to play ref too. No need to go on about your arguing
intellectual property theory. Most people do know right from wrong
when they see it. Some people like to use nuance and legal symantics
to prop up their side. I bet you could find support and argue that
cigarettes are good for your health too but that isn't likely to
change my mind.

So what team do you play for again ?

Peterson
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55497 is a reply to message #55494] Wed, 24 March 2010 10:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tim-Haymaker
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No. You're wrong.

The analogy would be if you were to sneak into the hat tournament without paying.


Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55498 is a reply to message #55495] Wed, 24 March 2010 10:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JSH
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well i did not download any of "his" videos, so no, i am not playing
in the hat tournament.
but for the sake of the argument, lets assume i did.

the difference between a hat tournament and a computer is that only a
limited number of
people can attend a hat tournament, so one persons attendance
precludes another persons.

however, computers can copy bits nearly instantly, and supposing i had
a copy of the video,
that would not prevent you from enjoying your copy of the video in any
way, shape, or form.

therefore, my copying of the video is not harming you. now you may
_potentially_ gain lower profits
due to my copying instead of buying, but that is not the same thing as
harm.

there are millions of different things that may lower your profits,
but that does not make them
immoral in and of themselves. for instance, a competitor could start
also videotaping and selling
DVDs, lowering Rob's potential profits, but that would not be wrong
behavior.

Joseph

On Mar 24, 1:18 pm, Vancer <ryanpva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No, you are playing in the hat tournament, but not paying for it. Even
> worse, you are telling others that is acceptable behavior, and
> providing specific instructions on how to do the same.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55499 is a reply to message #55498] Wed, 24 March 2010 10:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vancer
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You made the analogy, genius.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55500 is a reply to message #55493] Wed, 24 March 2010 10:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pgw
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On Mar 24, 10:09 am, Joseph Huang <josephshu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 12:52 pm, pgw <peteg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > But you might want to temper some of your statements given that the
> > majority of Americans - and its laws - disagree with you and brand you
> > a criminal for acting in conformity with your views.  Is the internet
> > age challenging the notion of intellectual property?  You bet.  Are
> > you still a criminal if you decide to charge ahead of the vanguard on
> > this issue and rip unauthorized videos on the internet?  Yup.  You
> > sure are.  See in particular 17 U.S.C. section 506(a)(1)(C).  You can
> > be imprisoned for up to three years, fined, or both.  (18 U.S.C.
> > section 2319(d)(1).)
>
> i dont believe that the majority agrees with the law, as at least in
> britain,
> the majority of people surveyed did not even know what the law is.
>
> http://www.ipworld.com/ipwo/doc/view.htm?id=242463&searc hCode=N
>
> so i dont agree with you on the point that most americans are for
> intellectual monopoly.

That survey, as best as can be gleaned from the article you cite,
shows that people think it's not illegal to copy a CD that they bought
onto their own mp3 player, and apparently in Britain, it's not. That
(a) has nothing to do with whether people agree with the law; and (b)
is a far, far cry from your implicit view that most Americans think
it's okay to download copyright-protected content for free. I'd bet
that even most people who themselves do it regularly don't feel
entirely comfortable about it. But, fine, this is not the point.

> > But you can't deny that you're free-riding on someone
> > else's work; you can dispute that there's something wrong with that,
> > but expect a lot of angry backlash and name-calling.
>
> i did not download any of rob's videos.
> posting a link to torrents that arent even seeded (cannot be
> downloaded) is not free riding.

So you're just being a dick for the sake of it? I don't get it.
Whether or not you downloaded UV videos, you clearly download a lot of
illegal shit, and you're encouraging others to do so - whether or not
the particular torrent you linked us to can be downloaded.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55501 is a reply to message #55496] Wed, 24 March 2010 10:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JSH
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right from wrong, as defined by whom? by the government, which has
gone to
war many times and killed millions of people?

yes, it is wrong to steal physical property. but physical property is
not the
same thing as imaginary property.

i dont play club or anything, i just play pickup and WAFC.

i did win the 2 rules bets that i had with other ultimate players.

Joseph

On Mar 24, 1:18 pm, Peterson <stevepetersonsm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 12:57 pm, tyler kinley <tkin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, we're waiting for your answer ?
>
> You sound like you would be a blast to play against.  I'd like to go
> ahead and recommend that you announce your tournament playing schedule
> so that oberservers can be arranged well in advance.  If you don't
> know the basic societal concept of right from wrong you can't be
> expected to play ref too.  No need to go on about your arguing
> intellectual property theory.  Most people do know right from wrong
> when they see it. Some people like to use nuance and legal symantics
> to prop up their side.  I bet you could find support and argue that
> cigarettes are good for your health too but that isn't likely to
> change my mind.
>
> So what team do you play for again ?
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55502 is a reply to message #55498] Wed, 24 March 2010 10:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tim-Haymaker
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No...the organizer of the hat tournament has the right to charge for attendance. He has determined that he will only spend the time and money to host the tournament if people pay for it. That way, the community gets what it wants (more playing opportunities), but he isn't soley responsible for providing it.

Your sneaking into the hat tournament harms him (he gets less profit) and it harms the community because if lots of people sneak into the tournament, the organizer will stop hosting the tournament.

Your hypothetically downloading ultivillage content has the same impact. It lessons Rob's profit, and it makes him less able to provide the service he provides to the rest of us.

People people dying of old age has absolutely nothing to do with the morality of murder. Just because there are moral and legal ways to cut into someone's profit doesn't mean that all ways to do so are moral and ethical. You must have flunked basic logic. Otherwise, you're a sociopath.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55503 is a reply to message #55502] Wed, 24 March 2010 10:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dave
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Never have I see one man that plays so little organized Ultimate
generate a 50+ post RSD thread (well, except for that Rob Sypher dude
a few years back...).
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55504 is a reply to message #55501] Wed, 24 March 2010 10:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stevepetersonsmail
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On Mar 24, 1:33 pm, Joseph Huang <josephshu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> right from wrong, as defined by whom?

Society in general is OK with me, but usually I go with the US / state
government's laws too.

>by the government, which has
> gone to
> war many times and killed millions of people?

So did Hitler but I'm not sure you believe he existed either. You're
wacked.

> yes, it is wrong to steal physical property. but physical property is
> not the
> same thing as imaginary property.

Somehow I'm sure that, in your world, all of this makes sense. Even if
it is your imaginary world. Picture yourself in a boat on a
river .......


Peterson
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55505 is a reply to message #55502] Wed, 24 March 2010 10:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JSH
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if i copy a video, that doesn't impose a cost on the video creator.
i may or may not have bought the video otherwise, but that is
potential lost revenue, not harm. if i own my computer, then it is
perfectly moral for me to copy whatever i please, unless i have signed
a contract or am sending out viruses to other people or something.

whenever you quote my messages, you are breaking copyright law.
this is how absurd copyright law is, just as absurd as alcohol
prohibition
was, and the current drug laws are today. i'm sure many ultimate
players
have smoked a joint, or driven over the speed limit, which is just as
illegal.

>People people dying of old age has absolutely nothing to do
>with the morality of murder. Just because there are moral
>and legal ways to cut into someone's profit doesn't mean
>that all ways to do so are moral and ethical. You must have
>flunked basic logic. Otherwise, you're a sociopath.

i was merely demonstrating that cutting into another persons
profit margin (real or imagined) is not necessarily immoral.

nothing more and nothing less.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55506 is a reply to message #55505] Wed, 24 March 2010 11:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tim-Haymaker
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You still haven't addressed the harm to the community from discouraging Rob from contiuing to provide high quality video content. If you were discouraging him by showing the flaws in his product or promoting a competiting product that wouldn't be wrong.

But you're discouraging him by telling people how to bypass the means by which Rob tries to control access to the product of his work and investment.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55508 is a reply to message #55505] Wed, 24 March 2010 11:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
alansmith175
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Joseph, I'm not going to talk about the moral dimensions of all this, but I'm pretty sure you have a terrible understanding of copyright law.


"if i copy a video, that doesn't impose a cost on the video creator. i may or may not have bought the video otherwise, but that is potential lost revenue, not harm."

In every court in the U.S., lost revenue (actually lost profits, but it's close enough) is considered a harm. How much do you make? Decrease that number for any reason. Don't you feel harmed? Whether that harm is justifiable I shall leave to be determined by you and the others in this discussion.

"whenever you quote my messages, you are breaking copyright law."

This is absolutely untrue. Quotation of your messages falls under fair use. Here's an explanation of fair use (I copied it! Source: http://lawbrain.com/wiki/Copyright):

"Examples of fair use typically involve, according to the Copyright Act of 1976, the reproduction of authored works for the purpose of "criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching ..., scholarship, or research" (17 U.S.C.A. § 107). The same act also establishes a four-part test to determine fair use according to the following factors: (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; (2) the nature of the copyrighted work; (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work (17 U.S.C.A. § 107)."

None of those factors is weighted ahead of the other, and they all can be present, or only one can be present to find infringement. A court may find that all four are present, but still rule the work noninfringing. Going by each factor:
1. Our use of your post here is noncommercial. Google or other newsgroup providers might make a tiny bit of money off of ads related to this page, but it would be de minimis and unrelated to individual posters.
2. The nature of the work is an online posting, intended to be viewed for free without restriction. You know RSD is a public forum where people quote each other. Also, given the nature of your posts, you are trying to promote the downfall of copyright.
3. Some people are quoting your entire posts. Some are not. You may have this factor, but that does not mean that a court would rule in your favor.
4. No one's buying your writing. Most people here don't seem to like your writing. The market is nonexistent, and quoting you doesn't change that.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55509 is a reply to message #55508] Wed, 24 March 2010 11:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JSH
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On Mar 24, 2:30 pm, alansmith175 <alansmith...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "if i copy a video, that doesn't impose a cost on the video
> creator. i may or may not have bought the video otherwise,
> but that is potential lost revenue, not harm."
>
> In every court in the U.S., lost revenue (actually lost
> profits, but it's close enough) is considered a harm.  How
> much do you make?  Decrease that number for any reason.
> Don't you feel harmed?  Whether that harm is justifiable I
> shall leave to be determined by you and the others in this
> discussion.

i was not talking about the legal standpoint there, more the moral
one.

> "Examples of fair use typically involve, according to the
> Copyright Act of 1976, the reproduction of authored works
> for the purpose of "criticism, comment, news reporting,
> teaching ..., scholarship, or research" (17 U.S.C.A. §
> 107). The same act also establishes a four-part test to
> determine fair use according to the following factors: (1)
> the purpose and character of the use, including whether such
> use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit
> educational purposes; (2) the nature of the copyrighted
> work; (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used
> in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and (4) the
> effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value
> of, the copyrighted work (17 U.S.C.A. § 107)."  

yes, it really may or may not fall under fair use, depending
upon how a court rules.

so yes, it would be more accurate to say that by quoting me,
you dont know if you are breaking the law, not that you are
breaking the law.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55510 is a reply to message #55436] Wed, 24 March 2010 11:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
richardaustinwest
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On Mar 24, 5:10 am, Joseph Huang <josephshu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 1:52 am, Colin <colinmcint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I really disagree with this.  Stealing from one of only a handful of
> > ultimate-related businesses helping promote and serve the sport.  Low..

> and who the fuck do you think you are to tell other people what to do
> with their own computers? you must be a big statist.

On Mar 24, 11:33 am, Joseph Huang <josephshu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> so telling me not to post links is not telling me what to do? what an
> absurd position to take.

I'm looking for where he told you not to post links. It seems that
your reading of posts is as careful as your reading of IP literature.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55511 is a reply to message #55505] Wed, 24 March 2010 11:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pgw
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On Mar 24, 10:52 am, Joseph Huang <josephshu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> if i copy a video, that doesn't impose a cost on the video creator.
> i may or may not have bought the video otherwise, but that is
> potential lost revenue, not harm.

First, lost revenue is indeed harm, certainly in the eyes of the law.
There is a fairly common-sense reasoning behind this, although maybe
you reject it. Okay, so you can hide behind the word "potential" -
you say you wouldn't ever buy the things you pirate. While I doubt
that, let's accept it for purposes of argument. You're still ignoring
the obvious truth that when copyright infringement is made easier (by,
among other things, jackasses who give public tips on how to do it), a
"free" alternative to what would otherwise have to be purchased
emerges, and simple economics dictates that at least some people who
would otherwise have paid will take advantage. This means less
revenue for the creator, meaning less incentive to create, meaning
less creation going on in the world.

These are of course the classic economic justifications for having IP
laws. I'm sure your books and articles have arguments against these
justifications. I would note though that the one html article you
linked to earlier in the thread fails miserably. It first refutes a
bunch of straw men about how people think they DESERVE property rights
in their ideas. This has never been the justification. Copyright was
originally asserted by churches and governments to stamp out heresy
and sedition, but when the first actual copyright law was put into
effect, it stated its reasons: "to encourage 'learned men to compose
and write useful books' the statute guaranteed the finite right to
print and reprint those works." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Copyright#History) Indeed the Act's full title was "An Act for the
Encouragement of Learning, by vesting the Copies of Printed Books in
the Authors or purchasers of such Copies, during the Times therein
mentioned." (Id.) In our own Constitution, the purpose of copyright
laws is explained similarly: "To promote the Progress of Science and
useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors
the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and
Discoveries." (U.S. Const., Art. I sec. 8.)

When your article finally actually gets around to arguing against the
economic justification for IP law, it weakly admits that "this is the
only decent argument for intellectual property," then nonsensically
replies that "the whole argument is built on a contradiction, namely
that in order to promote the development of ideas, it is necessary to
reduce people's freedom to use them" (that's not a contradiction), and
concludes with the wishy-washy "This argument for intellectual
property cannot be resolved without further investigation. Hettinger
says that there needs to be an investigation of how long patents and
copyrights should be granted, to determine an optimum period for
promoting intellectual work." In other words: "Okay, maybe IP rights
are fundamentally sound and based on solid reasoning; we just think
that maybe, depending on what we might learn if we looked into it,
they shouldn't be as strong as they are." Well played, genius
anarchists.

> if i own my computer, then it is
> perfectly moral for me to copy whatever i please, unless i have signed
> a contract or am sending out viruses to other people or something.

Here, you and society have a difference of opinion.

> whenever you quote my messages, you are breaking copyright law.

This is false. Even copyright zealot Brad Templeton (who has
graciously granted the public permission to link to his page
http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html) says, "most inclusion
of text in followups and replies is for commentary, and it doesn't
damage the commercial value of the original posting (if it has any)
and as such it is almost surely fair use."

> this is how absurd copyright law is, just as absurd as alcohol
> prohibition
> was, and the current drug laws are today. i'm sure many ultimate
> players
> have smoked a joint, or driven over the speed limit, which is just as
> illegal.

Well, I don't know how one compares how illegal things are, but you
might take a look at the relative punishments: driving over the speed
limit gets you a fine of probably less than $200, and smoking a joint,
where I come from, gets you at most a stern look and a "don't do that
around here." Meanwhile as I pointed out, copyright infringement can
get you three years in federal prison.

You and I probably agree on a number of things. I share your apparent
contempt for the criminalization of activities lacking a victim other
than the actor himself. But in my view, to suggest that copyright
infringement falls into that category is fucking stupid, and is
probably borne out of severe egotism.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55512 is a reply to message #55509] Wed, 24 March 2010 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob
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Joe, what is so moral about harming the community you pretend to be a
part of? Lost profits means lost opportunities to provide more
services. I have dedicated the past 5 years of my life to serving the
ultimate community at the expense of my own financial well being.
Trust me when I say I could be making more money by doing other
things, but I love this sport and have a vision of where I can help
take it. These efforts are appreciated by the community I serve as can
be seen by the number of people jumping to my defense. How many people
have agreed with your view on this thread? Zero.

Your stance is illogical, immoral, and indefensible. But keep it up.

Thanks again to everyone for your support. UltiVillage will continue
to push the envelope of ultimate coverage. Stay tuned for more COTDs,
GOTWs and maybe a new acronym or two.

Rob
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55513 is a reply to message #55506] Wed, 24 March 2010 11:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
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Joseph Huang,

If you're going to steal and/or encourage others to steal, don't try to rationalize it as somehow not being theft because (insert poor analogy or big words here.)

Forget about the law for a second. What you are advocating is immoral. You can try to fool yourself that your actions are not hurting anyone when you STEAL their intellectual property, but you're not fooling the rest of us.

It's funny that you cited the hat tourney analogy, because you're just the type of schmuck who shows up at a charity hat tournament & tries to skip out on the donation.

Knappy




Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55514 is a reply to message #55509] Wed, 24 March 2010 12:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
alansmith175
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"yes, it really may or may not fall under fair use, depending
upon how a court rules.

so yes, it would be more accurate to say that by quoting me,
you dont know if you are breaking the law, not that you are
breaking the law."

Joseph, law in this country is made in two ways:
1. The legislature passes a bill and the executive signs it. Unfortunately, the legislature doesn't pass enough bills, or enough comprehensive bills, to cover every contingency. This isn't necessarily their fault- they are human and can not be expected to contemplate every contingency. Some things, like suing for online quotations of the nature we are discussing, are so far beyond the pale that passing a law of that nature would be a waste of resources that could be better used in other areas. So, a lot of law in this country gets made by...

2. The judiciary makes a ruling on a matter. Now, courts can only rule on issues that are brought to them (aside from possibly advisory opinions). So this means that someone would have to care enough about the issue to bring a law suit, and the court would have to think it was controversial enough to survive summary judgment. I just did a cursory search on Lexis for this matter, and the only case I can find that is vaguely on point is Parker v. Google, which looks like it could have been interesting but for the fact that plaintiff had an even worse understanding of copyright law than you do.

This is a long-winded way of saying you are wrong. This is so obviously covered by existing law that no legislature has cared enough to pass a bill regarding the practice, and no court has ever had anyone dumb enough to sue on it (or if they have, it has quite correctly not survived summary judgment). I know you probably haven't gone to law school or taken courses on this topic, so I apologize for being harsh. But you should know that at least on a legal level, you are incorrect on several points.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55515 is a reply to message #55503] Wed, 24 March 2010 12:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
heltzooor
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On Mar 24, 1:44 pm, Dave <dmbran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Never have I see one man that plays so little organized Ultimate
> generate a 50+ post RSD thread (well, except for that Rob Sypher dude
> a few years back...).

best heckle award.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55519 is a reply to message #55515] Wed, 24 March 2010 12:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JSH
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agreed. cya at indoor, dave.

On Mar 24, 3:12 pm, heltzooor <helt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 1:44 pm, Dave <dmbran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Never have I see one man that plays so little organized Ultimate
> > generate a 50+ post RSD thread (well, except for that Rob Sypher dude
> > a few years back...).
>
> best heckle award.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55520 is a reply to message #55503] Wed, 24 March 2010 12:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jermleeds
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On Mar 24, 10:44 am, Dave <dmbran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Never have I see one man that plays so little organized Ultimate
> generate a 50+ post RSD thread (well, except for that Rob Sypher dude
> a few years back...).

Umm, how about Toad...like 40 times a month? Just sayin'.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55523 is a reply to message #55520] Wed, 24 March 2010 12:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JSH
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hey peeps,

it was fun trolling you guys. i wont do it again for another month, i
promise.

Joseph
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55524 is a reply to message #55523] Wed, 24 March 2010 13:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kaiser
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I think I was just hijacked.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55529 is a reply to message #55524] Wed, 24 March 2010 14:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob
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Trolling is one thing. Promoting theft is another. One means you act
like a douche, the other means you are a douche. I guess both shoes
fit.

Rob
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55532 is a reply to message #55529] Wed, 24 March 2010 14:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
T H
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FWIW: the only torrent i've found available is the disc 3/potlatch 2005 promo (12 mb) and even it is weakly seeded.

Maybe OP knew this?
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55534 is a reply to message #55532] Wed, 24 March 2010 14:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob
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Thanks Torre. Truth is I'm not too worried about my stuff being on
bittorrent... for now. I believe the bulk of the ultimate community is
good about supporting UV when they can, and I still have some work to
do to convince the rest. The onus to do so rests squarely on my
shoulders.
I was a little put off last night when I read Joe's post but was even
more taken back by the responses it solicited. I truly appreciate the
support that I received from this forum today and every day that I
post. Not all of my posts receive a lot of feedback, but everytime I
post I see the traffic on my UV site spike and this usually helps
generate sales if not just exposure.
While RSD has taken a hit of late with all the spam and some of the
threads amount to nothing more than a couple of dingbats having a
pissing match, there is still some good stuff that gets posted here.
In the mean time I will continue to post here while I build my
Facebook fan page and take advantage of other relevant forums.

See you around folks. I'm here to stay.

Rob
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55540 is a reply to message #55436] Wed, 24 March 2010 19:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colinmcintyre
Messages: 1256
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Mar 24, 5:10 am, Joseph Huang <josephshu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 1:52 am, Colin <colinmcint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I really disagree with this.  Stealing from one of only a handful of
> > ultimate-related businesses helping promote and serve the sport.  Low..
>
> copyright infringement is not stealing. in order me to be stealing
> something, my possession of it must deprive other people from
> possessing it. if i shoplifted a stack of ultivillage DVDs, that would
> be stealing, but getting the DVDs off of bittorrent is just copyright
> infringement.

You're looking for the word "larceny." That's not the word I used. I
used "stealing." I am right. You are wrong.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55541 is a reply to message #55540] Wed, 24 March 2010 19:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
Messages: 830
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
"a couple of dingbats having a
pissing match"

If it's good enough for congress, it's damn fine good enough for RSD.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55543 is a reply to message #55541] Wed, 24 March 2010 19:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
T H
Messages: 1142
Registered: July 2009
Location: Chattanooga, TN
Senior Member
Quote:
Thanks Torre. Truth is I'm not too worried about my stuff being on
bittorrent... for now. I believe the bulk of the ultimate community is
good about supporting UV when they can, and I still have some work to
do to convince the rest. The onus to do so rests squarely on my
shoulders.
I was a little put off last night when I read Joe's post but was even
more taken back by the responses it solicited. I truly appreciate the
support that I received from this forum today and every day that I
post. Not all of my posts receive a lot of feedback, but everytime I
post I see the traffic on my UV site spike and this usually helps
generate sales if not just exposure.
While RSD has taken a hit of late with all the spam and some of the
threads amount to nothing more than a couple of dingbats having a
pissing match, there is still some good stuff that gets posted here.
In the mean time I will continue to post here while I build my
Facebook fan page and take advantage of other relevant forums.

See you around folks. I'm here to stay.

Rob

my first though was getting the post edited to remove the link. but that didn't (and since RSD/rsdnospam are open to any non spammers) it probably shouldn't have.

love the new material on facebook.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55545 is a reply to message #55523] Wed, 24 March 2010 19:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chrisdatkinson2
Messages: 83
Registered: September 2008
Member
On Mar 24, 3:48 pm, Joseph Huang <josephshu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hey peeps,
>
> it was fun trolling you guys. i wont do it again for another month, i
> promise.
>
> Joseph

why are you so triumphant? you just admitted to being full of shit.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55546 is a reply to message #55545] Wed, 24 March 2010 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
T H
Messages: 1142
Registered: July 2009
Location: Chattanooga, TN
Senior Member
Quote:
why are you so triumphant? you just admitted to being full of shit.


are you playing masters yet?
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55586 is a reply to message #55529] Thu, 25 March 2010 06:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ChuckYu
Messages: 15
Registered: November 2009
Location: Rockville, MD
Junior Member
On Mar 24, 5:22 pm, Rob <r...@ultivillage.com> wrote:
> Trolling is one thing. Promoting theft is another. One means you act
> like a douche, the other means you are a douche. I guess both shoes
> fit.
>
> Rob

I have to mention this because it's sort of ironic...the guy actually
either goes barefoot or, until recently, wore the vibram 5-fingers
barefoot shoe thingies while playing.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55591 is a reply to message #55407] Thu, 25 March 2010 07:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tushar
Messages: 5
Registered: October 2009
Junior Member
On Mar 23, 8:15 pm, john <michael.klaus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've foundhttp://club2009.upa.org/videos/andhttp://www.youtube.co m/upamedia
>
> Both are decent quality videos of high level ultimate.  Are
> there any other sites out there that host videos like these
> free?  I know UV has videos, but I don't have money to spend
> right now.  I do like what UV is doing with their facebook
> and having a game of the week that they host.
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com

www.iamultimate.com has Canadian Nationals from 2009.
If you enjoy Beach Ultimate then the Paganello Finals from 2009 are
also posted in entirety.

As I'm filming games I'll be adding them on there and eventually I'll
get around to cleaning it up and organizing it better.

It's nowhere near the coverage that UV provides but it's free and from
time to time live (like Canadian Nationals in '09).
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55595 is a reply to message #55591] Thu, 25 March 2010 08:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Other
Messages: 15
Registered: November 2008
Junior Member
Well, Rob, this thread has had the effect of reminding me that it has been a couple of years since I've ordered anything from you. I got $20; what should I get?
-Other
P.S. I'll leave the moral/legal discussions to other folks. I prefer to make my opinion known via credit card/Paypal....
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55607 is a reply to message #55595] Thu, 25 March 2010 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob
Messages: 977
Registered: October 2008
Senior Member
On Mar 25, 8:28 am, Other <othera...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Well, Rob, this thread has had the effect of reminding me
> that it has been a couple of years since I've ordered
> anything from you.  I got $20; what should I get?
> -Other

$20 will get you the new UPA Club 09 DVD. Here's the trailer.

http://www.ultivillage.com/index.php/COTD-2008/2009-UPA-Club -DVD-Trailer

Thanks for your support.

Rob
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55624 is a reply to message #55509] Thu, 25 March 2010 10:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim Biancolo
Messages: 20
Registered: March 2009
Junior Member
On Mar 24, 2:37 pm, Joseph Huang <josephshu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i was not talking about the legal standpoint there, more the moral
> one.

Creator creates something and says "I've made this thing, if you want
to enjoy the thing, here are my terms." Consumer then has three
choices:

1. Accept the conditions (payment, etc.) in exchange for having and/
or enjoying the thing.

2. Reject the conditions and forgo having/enjoying the thing.

3. Reject the conditions, but take/enjoy the thing anyway.

IMO, #3 is an immoral choice. The fact that the digital age allows us
to make perfect copies without reducing the creators "inventory" does
not change this. It's not a legal question, it's just basic golden
rule stuff.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #55685 is a reply to message #55407] Thu, 25 March 2010 19:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Big D
Messages: 18
Registered: September 2009
Junior Member
On Mar 23, 7:15 pm, john <michael.klaus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've foundhttp://club2009.upa.org/videos/andhttp://www.youtube.co m/upamedia
>
> Both are decent quality videos of high level ultimate.  Are
> there any other sites out there that host videos like these
> free?  I know UV has videos, but I don't have money to spend
> right now.  I do like what UV is doing with their facebook
> and having a game of the week that they host.
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com

Colorado has a bunch of full games up on their website

http://www.mamabird.com/videos/
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #95586 is a reply to message #55685] Mon, 25 April 2011 11:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jhockett1
Messages: 63
Registered: April 2011
Location: DFW
Member
Joe, you are either a dedicated troll or an absolute fucking moron. Rob provides exceptional service for the ultimate community and gives away free subscriptions to his product frequently, something most "monopolies" wouldn't do. You, on the other hand, sit behind your monitor and talk like a big boy because you have a search engine and the intellect of any common 4th grader. I've got some advice for you: get off RSD and go be a lawyer or something. If that doesn't get your rocks off like screwing over someone who is helping the ultimate community prosper, then go find another hobby. You seem like the kind of guy who wouldn't mind sitting on the end of one of Rob's monopods.

dick.
Re: Good source for videos of full ultimate games? [message #95598 is a reply to message #95586] Mon, 25 April 2011 12:11 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
enjoitheworld416
Messages: 142
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
I think I speak on behalf of everyone here except for you joe when I say fuck you, you fucking fuck. Before ultivillage there was hardly any coverage of ultimate frisbee anywhere and now we get coverage from almost every major tournament. Rob is going out on his own dime and making these videos and its OUR RESPONSIBILITY as ultimate players to support him. So as Rob said go and crawl under the rock you came from because no one gives a fuck about what you have to say.
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