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RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53428] Sat, 27 February 2010 09:25 Go to next message
ulticritic
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I am condusting an openly transparent poll for any and all rsders that
would like to participate and that have an opinion on the matter. no
explinations are necessary or even desired. save that shit for jim
p's stale ass blog. here all it takes is a simple YES or NO. and
whatsay we count up the votes evey so often and show a tally?


Do you think ken dobyns should be in the ultimate Hall of Fame?

YES
..
..
..
..
..
..
next
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53430 is a reply to message #53428] Sat, 27 February 2010 10:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ThaddeusGolaas
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I don't have any say in the matter as a member of the UPA, do I? Maybe that's who should be voting for the UPA Hall of Fame. The members ARE the UPA, after all.

I'd vote yes.
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53437 is a reply to message #53430] Sat, 27 February 2010 12:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Grant
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On Feb 27, 1:24 pm, Anthony <ThaddeusGol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't have any say in the matter as a member of the UPA,
> do I?  Maybe that's who should be voting for the UPA Hall of
> Fame.  The members ARE the UPA, after all.
>
> I'd vote yes.
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com

Based on his Cheap Seats appearance alone, yes.
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53443 is a reply to message #53437] Sat, 27 February 2010 15:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
josh[1]
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Oh, hell............

YES!
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53446 is a reply to message #53428] Sat, 27 February 2010 16:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
slocore2002
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On Feb 27, 9:25 am, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
> I am condusting an openly transparent poll for any and all rsders that
> would like to participate and that have an opinion on the matter.  no
> explinations are necessary or even desired.  save that shit for jim
> p's stale ass blog.  here all it takes is a simple YES or NO.  and
> whatsay we count up the votes evey so often and show a tally?
>
> Do you think ken dobyns should be in the ultimate Hall of Fame?
>
> YES
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> next

Psssssssssssssh...

YUP.

CMcM
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53448 is a reply to message #53428] Sat, 27 February 2010 17:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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who are the damned idiots that DIDN'T vote this guy into the Hall of
Fame?
seriously.......who are the voters?...and how'd they get that job????


my vote is a YES.
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53451 is a reply to message #53448] Sat, 27 February 2010 18:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
H
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Yes.
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53453 is a reply to message #53451] Sat, 27 February 2010 20:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Douglas T Lilley
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On Feb 27, 9:32 pm, H <ahalv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes.
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com

There you go Toad, 7-0 in favor of Dobyns. You should email the HOF
and tell them he's in now.
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53474 is a reply to message #53453] Sun, 28 February 2010 17:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wiggity
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Karl Doege is already in the running for the Hall of Fame??!?

Damn. Duchamanos did his job.
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53476 is a reply to message #53474] Sun, 28 February 2010 18:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chefdisc
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Can we make the vote public?
Kenny should be in hands down.

chef
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53511 is a reply to message #53453] Mon, 01 March 2010 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jt
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On Feb 27, 11:00 pm, "3Jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 27, 9:32 pm, H <ahalv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes.
> > --
> > Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
>
> There you go Toad, 7-0 in favor of Dobyns.  You should email the HOF
> and tell them he's in now.

Does this mean that you vote no? I don't think toad said anything
wrong here for you to get on his dick yet again. F'in moron.

My vote is a yes!!
JT
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53542 is a reply to message #53428] Mon, 01 March 2010 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim Mallon
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>
> Do you think ken dobyns should be in the ultimate Hall of Fame?
>



YES. Next question.
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53547 is a reply to message #53542] Mon, 01 March 2010 18:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacob
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Yes.
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53549 is a reply to message #53428] Mon, 01 March 2010 19:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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12 out of 12 votes are yes, so far.
1 no vote.

BUT, the upa would say something like...rsd isn't the voice of
ultimate nor of the upa...nor of the people who matter most in the
sport of ultimate.
they'd say something like....rsd is just a tiny little measly fraction
of those that play....and those on rsd are the weirdos who dont know
anything about what's going on....no clue of the history or of the
individuals.....

they'd say that rsd isn't a realistic representation of ultimate as a
whole....

we rsd'ers are the lunatic fringe.....not the deep thinkers who really
know what's going on.
they have some awesome perfect reason why Kenny Dobyns shouldn't be in
the Hall of Fame........
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53565 is a reply to message #53549] Tue, 02 March 2010 04:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Mar 1, 10:18 pm, Reggie Fanelli <ageric...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> know what's going on.
> they have some awesome perfect reason why Kenny Dobyns shouldn't be in
> the Hall of Fame........

that reasnon.....as per hof voter AND PRESENT UPA BOARD REPRESENTATIVE
HENRY THORN says its because he was a cheat......plain and simple.

gettin back to OOR UPA BOARD REP HENRY THORN.....i read somewhere
where he felt compelled to vote that way as a way to REPRESENT THE
MEMBERSHIP (and sotg, i guess) BUT WE CAN ALL SEE THAT ITS NOT
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WAY THOSE HERE FEEL AS MEMBERS. So how likely
is it that he can accurately represent us in all the other issues that
face this sport,,,,,,,MANY of them that are wedge issues in which
"spirit" will undoubtedly play a vital role in determining where one
stands on THAT particular issue.

HOW DID THIS GUY GET VOTED INTO OFFICE TO REPRESENT US?????


ok, sorry about that little rant........now back to the voting


oh, and does anyone fing it curious that kom p hasent chimed in to
cast a vote here with , how HE puts it, "we unwashed masses" yet he
comes here to solicit us to visit his stale ass blog.........so I'll
cast his vote for him according to what he recently stated on his blog

jim p votes YES.
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53566 is a reply to message #53549] Tue, 02 March 2010 04:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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On Mar 1, 10:18 pm, Reggie Fanelli <ageric...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 12 out of 12 votes are yes, so far.
> 1 no vote.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---oh....rereading i see that i wrote 1 no vote.
what i meant was NOT a NO VOTE.....rather.....1 that is NOT a vote.
12 yeses......1 UNvote
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53567 is a reply to message #53565] Tue, 02 March 2010 04:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> that reasnon.....as per hof voter AND PRESENT UPA BOARD REPRESENTATIVE
> HENRY THORN says its because he was a cheat......plain and simple.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---i saw him cheat a huge hammer in the 93 Worlds Finals for a goal.
i've seen him a ton of times cheat a fake hammer, and then quickly do
some sort of lay down backhand, releasing it without traveling but
ending up on his belly after breaking the mark.
i've already mentioned here before, the time i saw him cheat a layout
D and slide into a burning cig and stand up with the ember on his
face, which he cooly wiped away and ran back onto the field.
i saw him cheat an entire team onto his back and carry them to a Coed
World Championship in Germany......afterwards i asked him how many of
those World Championships he had cheated his way to....and he said
something like.....7.
oh...at those Worlds in Germany...i saw him cheat his way out of a
post game wrestling match where two guys wrapped him up and held on
tight.....he escaped and earned much respect from those guys....they
may have been from england...or germany....one of them.

ya know....when i think about it.......none of those things were
cheating.

huhm.....

oh...i saw him one time cheat on ESPN. he cheated, "this isn't a
game, it's your life".....
oh...no...i saw him...and he said. neither of those were cheating
either....



damn...maybe he cheated somewhere along the line about something that
i don't know about.......
BUT.....i've played against some of the MOST SPIRITED CHEATERS in the
fucking world........fast counts that lead to fake stalls.....players
that couldn't hold a pivot foot......players that call fouls on ANY
sort of finger touch when just standing in the stack......horrible bad
breath fat ladies getting in my face when it ain't their business.....
i mean...damn.....
some of the most spirited folks...are the WORST CHEATERS and people
that there are in our sport.

i'd rather KEEP IT REAL....and get that guy in the Hall of Fame.

hell.......someone got in there BEFORE HIM??????
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53568 is a reply to message #53566] Tue, 02 March 2010 05:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Mar 2, 7:46 am, Reggie Fanelli <ageric...@yahoo.com> wrote:.

> On Mar 1, 10:18 pm, Reggie Fanelli <ageric...@yahoo.com> wrote:> 12 out of 12 votes are yes, so far.
> > 1 no vote.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ---oh....rereading i see that i wrote 1 no vote.
> what i meant was NOT a NO VOTE.....rather.....1 that is NOT a vote.
> 12 yeses......1 UNvote

as per a NO vote, i feel that, out of fairness, since i took it upon
myself to cast a YES vote from jims blog (by jim himself) i should go
ahead and cast a NO vote from our illustrious BOARD OF DIRECTOR
REPRESENTATIVE, henry thorn. BUT if i'm gonna do that then maybe i
should really count the other 15 some odd YES votes that were tallied
from that discussion too.

This whole thing leaves me scratching my head though????? how is it
that the ONE NO VOTE, that is TOTALLY UNrepresentative of both the
respondants HERE and on jim p's blog, was casted by the one person
that is OBLIGATED to represent us in very similar matters that also
hinge on sotg and how it is percieved.

so

HENRY THORN (UPABoDREP).......NO

15 random people from jims blog...................YES


I think that brings the tally to

28......YES

1........no


I THINK HENRY THORN SHOULD COME HERE AND FACE HIS CONSTITUANTS AND
EXPLAIN HOW HE IS FAILING SO MISRIBLY IN ACCURATELY REPRESENTING US.

no need to stop voting though.........keep em coming
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53569 is a reply to message #53568] Tue, 02 March 2010 05:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> I THINK HENRY THORN SHOULD COME HERE AND FACE HIS CONSTITUANTS AND
> EXPLAIN HOW HE IS FAILING SO MISRIBLY IN ACCURATELY REPRESENTING US.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


---uhhhhmmmm...i'm pretty sure that the Board isn't meant to REALLY
represet those that actually play ultimate.
the board....is this too obvious.....is meant to represent their own
weird self interests for the sport.
that's too obvious...right?
that's politics...right?
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53579 is a reply to message #53569] Tue, 02 March 2010 09:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Mar 2, 8:35 am, Reggie Fanelli <ageric...@yahoo.com> wrote:

should it be mentioned here that HENRY THORN is the main player in
orchastrating the whole so-called "ultimate revolution" and was
essentialy put in charge of interpreting the data from which he custom
made a 5 year plan in which HE got COMPLETE INFLUENCE and TOTAL
CONTROL over the basic fate of this sport????? and has anyone noticed
how soft, redundant and spirit centeric that plan is????



> > I THINK HENRY THORN SHOULD COME HERE AND FACE HIS CONSTITUANTS AND
> > EXPLAIN HOW HE IS FAILING SO MISRIBLY IN ACCURATELY REPRESENTING US.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ---uhhhhmmmm...i'm pretty sure that the Board isn't meant to REALLY
> represet those that actually play ultimate.
> the board....is this too obvious.....is meant to represent their own
> weird self interests for the sport.
> that's too obvious...right?
> that's politics...right?

like bob marley said...."never trust a politician"
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53580 is a reply to message #53579] Tue, 02 March 2010 09:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacob
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Hey Mike and Toad, let me remind you of the language from the
beginning of this thread:


"no explinations are necessary or even desired. save that shit for
jim p's stale ass blog. here all it takes is a simple YES or NO."
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53583 is a reply to message #53580] Tue, 02 March 2010 09:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Keith.Larsen.TX
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If I can diverge for a moment, there seems to be a limit to how many
people can get in the HoF every year. [See Selection process at the
bottom of http://www.upa.org/hof]

It looks like they established this rule in 2006 after letting in 6 in
2004 and 2005, then it was 5 in '06, 4 in '07, 4 in '08, 3 in '09...

So my question is, why have they gone from 8 to 4,the 4, and then 3 in
the last 3 years? That means ONLY 11 out of 24 of the last nominations
have made it in, in the last three years... That seems like an
incredibly low percentage considering a vetting committee already
chose these 24 from the pool of candidates.

So the vetting committee selected these people and they went to a
vote: "The final stage involves a vote for up to five inductees by the
full voting committee, comprised of the Vetting Subcommittee and the
Player and Contributor members of the Ultimate Hall of Fame." So the
members of the Hall of Fame themselves are keeping their "club"
small?

Maybe we should be asking why less people are getting in every year to
a growing sport, are we only going to allow two people in this year?
How many does the Baseball of Basketball Hall of Fame allow in. do
they have a similar process, e.g. is this were we borrowed it from?

And what is this "Player" or "Contributor" bs, if they are in the Hall
of Fame they should have been both. Good players don't contribute to
the sport? Contributors weren't good players?

Yes, Ken Dobyns should be in the Hall of Fame, so we all agree he is
past "stage 1"...
-Keith
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53587 is a reply to message #53583] Tue, 02 March 2010 09:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
huckItorFUckit
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On Mar 2, 12:36 pm, Keith Larsen <keith.larsen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If I can diverge for a moment, there seems to be a limit to how many
> people can get in the HoF every year. [See Selection process at the
> bottom ofhttp://www.upa.org/hof]
>
> It looks like they established this rule in 2006 after letting in 6 in
> 2004 and 2005, then it was 5 in '06, 4 in '07, 4 in '08, 3 in '09...
>
> So my question is, why have they gone from 8 to 4,the 4, and then 3 in
> the last 3 years? That means ONLY 11 out of 24 of the last nominations
> have made it in, in the last three years... That seems like an
> incredibly low percentage considering a vetting committee already
> chose these 24 from the pool of candidates.
>
> So the vetting committee selected these people and they went to a
> vote: "The final stage involves a vote for up to five inductees by the
> full voting committee, comprised of the Vetting Subcommittee and the
> Player and Contributor members of the Ultimate Hall of Fame." So the
> members of the Hall of Fame themselves are keeping their "club"
> small?
>
> Maybe we should be asking why less people are getting in every year to
> a growing sport, are we only going to allow two people in this year?
> How many does the Baseball of Basketball Hall of Fame allow in. do
> they have a similar process, e.g. is this were we borrowed it from?
>
> And what is this "Player" or "Contributor" bs, if they are in the Hall
> of Fame they should have been both. Good players don't contribute to
> the sport? Contributors weren't good players?
>
> Yes, Ken Dobyns should be in the Hall of Fame, so we all agree he is
> past "stage 1"...
> -Keith

While were talking about Hall of Fame's what about about some frisbee
"firsts?"

Is there anyone in the Ultimate world who has won a youth National
(eastern or western) championship along with a college and club
championship? Maybe even a Junior worlds and Worlds? Any players score
a record amount of goals in a National's final at the college or club
level? These are the sweet ass stats we should be talking about when
we look into Hall of Fame players..along with career leaders in goals,
assists, wins, etc (although I imagine this is much harder to track
considering the lack of stat keeping early on in Ultimate)

Sweet stories/stats/ultimate firsts anyone?
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53588 is a reply to message #53587] Tue, 02 March 2010 10:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ryan Thompson
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On Mar 2, 9:54 am, huckItorFUckit <redskinsI...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 2, 12:36 pm, Keith Larsen <keith.larsen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > If I can diverge for a moment, there seems to be a limit to how many
> > people can get in the HoF every year. [See Selection process at the
> > bottom ofhttp://www.upa.org/hof]
>
> > It looks like they established this rule in 2006 after letting in 6 in
> > 2004 and 2005, then it was 5 in '06, 4 in '07, 4 in '08, 3 in '09...
>
> > So my question is, why have they gone from 8 to 4,the 4, and then 3 in
> > the last 3 years? That means ONLY 11 out of 24 of the last nominations
> > have made it in, in the last three years... That seems like an
> > incredibly low percentage considering a vetting committee already
> > chose these 24 from the pool of candidates.
>
> > So the vetting committee selected these people and they went to a
> > vote: "The final stage involves a vote for up to five inductees by the
> > full voting committee, comprised of the Vetting Subcommittee and the
> > Player and Contributor members of the Ultimate Hall of Fame." So the
> > members of the Hall of Fame themselves are keeping their "club"
> > small?
>
> > Maybe we should be asking why less people are getting in every year to
> > a growing sport, are we only going to allow two people in this year?
> > How many does the Baseball of Basketball Hall of Fame allow in. do
> > they have a similar process, e.g. is this were we borrowed it from?
>
> > And what is this "Player" or "Contributor" bs, if they are in the Hall
> > of Fame they should have been both. Good players don't contribute to
> > the sport? Contributors weren't good players?
>
> > Yes, Ken Dobyns should be in the Hall of Fame, so we all agree he is
> > past "stage 1"...
> > -Keith
>
> While were talking about Hall of Fame's what about about some frisbee
> "firsts?"
>
> Is there anyone in the Ultimate world who has won a youth National
> (eastern or western) championship along with a college and club
> championship? Maybe even a Junior worlds and Worlds? Any players score
> a record amount of goals in a National's final at the college or club
> level? These are the sweet ass stats we should be talking about when
> we look into Hall of Fame players..along with career leaders in goals,
> assists, wins, etc (although I imagine this is much harder to track
> considering the lack of stat keeping early on in Ultimate)
>
> Sweet stories/stats/ultimate firsts anyone?

http://ultimatehistory.com/specialaccomplishments/index.html
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53590 is a reply to message #53588] Tue, 02 March 2010 10:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stephenghubbard
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Yes. He obviously loved the game and was good at it at the highest levels.

Also, it IS weird that the number of people that get inducted changes from year to year. Standardize that shit.
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53591 is a reply to message #53590] Tue, 02 March 2010 10:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
throw
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Keith Ls above mention of "contributor" makes mucho sense.

Kenny's Mom had a tradition of huge sideline spreads of food
right..feasts?

Technically she was a contributor to the sport back then.

I predict both Kenny Dobyns & his Mom will get voted in the HOF the
same year.

But this probably won't happen till 2018.......50th anniversary of the
sport.

You heard it here first.

Later,
Lance Marput
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53592 is a reply to message #53568] Tue, 02 March 2010 10:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> I THINK HENRY THORN SHOULD COME HERE AND FACE HIS CONSTITUANTS
~~~~~~~~~~~~

---a Thorn in the side of Kenny Dobyns, huh...huh?....huh????????
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53593 is a reply to message #53580] Tue, 02 March 2010 10:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> Hey Mike and Toad, let me remind you of the language from the
> beginning of this thread:
>
> "no explinations are necessary or even desired.  save that shit for
> jim p's stale ass blog.  here all it takes is a simple YES or NO."
~~~~~~~~~~


---i am pretty much gonna do what i want.
go figure.
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53596 is a reply to message #53580] Tue, 02 March 2010 11:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Mar 2, 12:16 pm, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:.

> Hey Mike and Toad, let me remind you of the language from the
> beginning of this thread:
>
> "no explinations are necessary or even desired.  save that shit for
> jim p's stale ass blog.  here all it takes is a simple YES or NO."

objection sustained.......carry on the voting
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53597 is a reply to message #53590] Tue, 02 March 2010 11:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
davidvatz
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On Mar 2, 1:36 pm, stephenghubbard <stephenghubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, it IS weird that the number of people that get
> inducted changes from year to year. Standardize that shit.

On Mar 2, 12:36 pm, Keith Larsen <keith.larsen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe we should be asking why less people are getting in every year to
> a growing sport, are we only going to allow two people in this year?
> How many does the Baseball of Basketball Hall of Fame allow in. do
> they have a similar process, e.g. is this were we borrowed it from?

HOF votes shouldn't be public referendums...they're not in other
sports, so I don't think the Ultimate HOF is doing anything wrong with
their process. It's fine to disagree with a choice, but I'm sure
people making those choices have good reasons for them.

I don't think the UPAs process is much different than other
bodies...here's an excerpt (shortened for RSD) from Ed Bouchette of
the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (www.post-gazette.com) on how the NFL
determines HOF inductees:

"There are 15 modern day candidates and two seniors. First, we discuss
all 17 candidates. One person for each candidate is chosen to begin
the discussion or make the case for him....

....After all the discussions are finished, we vote. First, we vote for
the seniors. That one, we either vote yes or no. All votes are secret,
done on paper and handed to members of one of the big four accounting
firms chosen by the Hall to count the votes. If a seniors candidate
receives 80 percent of the vote, he’s in, although we voters do not
know who makes it until everyone else does at the announcement on TV.

Then, we vote on the 15 modern-day candidates, our FIRST vote. We vote
for 10. Then, we take a break as those votes are counted, usually for
lunch that is brought in for us. The votes are tallied and a final 10
make the next round (a few years ago, there were 11 because of a tie).

The discussions then begin anew on those 10, this time without one
person having to make a case. After those discussions end – this round
is a lot shorter – we vote again. This time, we vote AGAIN, for five.
Those votes are tallied, and then we come to our FINAL vote. The final
vote is merely yes or no on each candidate. All five can make it, or
as few as three. Once that vote is taken, we’re done and are free to
go and we do not know who made it until the announcement on TV."
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53604 is a reply to message #53591] Tue, 02 March 2010 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim Mallon
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On Mar 2, 10:45 am, Throw <i...@ThisIsUltimate.com> wrote:
> Keith Ls above mention of "contributor" makes mucho sense.
>
> Kenny's Mom had a tradition of huge sideline spreads of food
> right..feasts?
>
> Technically she was a contributor to the sport back then.
>
> I predict both Kenny Dobyns  & his Mom will get voted in the HOF the
> same year.
>
> But this probably won't happen till 2018.......50th anniversary of the
> sport.
>
> You heard it here first.
>
> Later,
> Lance Marput

Whenever they come up with a brick-and-mortar Hall of Fame location,
in which they have historical exhibits and such, Kenny's mom's table
should definitely be in there. That was definitely one famous card
table. Along the same lines, anybody remember Lee's ladder? The guy
used to sit atop a 12' ladder and film the games with his video
camera? That ladder should be part of some exhibit as well.
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53614 is a reply to message #53604] Tue, 02 March 2010 13:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
klhatch
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On Mar 2, 1:32 pm, Jim Mallon <El_Horn...@charter.net> wrote:
> anybody remember Lee's ladder?  The guy
> used to sit atop a 12' ladder and film the games with his video
> camera? That ladder should be part of some exhibit as well.

Lee Flynn. Last I heard he was still doing videography out of Santa
Fe, but that was a while ago; a quick google search yielded nothing.

The ladder seemed taller than 12 ft to me. I'd say more like 14-16
ft. One of those big ladders with a single long leg on one side; very
precarious. At one Ultimeet he was shooting Phx vs Abq. The pull
went up and floated toward him on the ladder. In the vid you see the
disc coming toward the camera, a bit of camera movement, a cheer from
everyone below, then the disc flying back down to the field after he
caught it and tossed it back.

I hope his catalog becomes available some day. He shot a couple of
the NYF finals when NYNY made the trip in the late 80s/early 90s.

Re KD HOF, of course.
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53617 is a reply to message #53614] Tue, 02 March 2010 14:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacob
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"Is there anyone in the Ultimate world who has won a youth National
(eastern or western) championship along with a college and club
championship? Maybe even a Junior worlds and Worlds? ... These are the
sweet ass stats we should be talking about when we look into Hall of
Fame players"

As mentioned above, these people are listed in the Seidler/Leonardo
history book. The minority of these players are Hall of Fame worthy,
as most of them are/were just excellent but not great players lucky
enough to play on great teams at different stages of their
careers .... and some of them aren't/weren't even excellent players.

I do think it's fair to keep out players who were great but never
performed well in big games or never even played in big games (see
1998 Callahan Brian Harriford).
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53620 is a reply to message #53617] Tue, 02 March 2010 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim Mallon
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On Mar 2, 2:10 pm, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Is there anyone in the Ultimate world who has won a youth National
> (eastern or western) championship along with a college and club
> championship? Maybe even a Junior worlds and Worlds? ... These are the
> sweet ass stats we should be talking about when we look into Hall of
> Fame players"
>
> As mentioned above, these people are listed in the Seidler/Leonardo
> history book.  The minority of these players are Hall of Fame worthy,
> as most of them are/were just excellent but not great players lucky
> enough to play on great teams at different stages of their
> careers .... and some of them aren't/weren't even excellent players.
>
> I do think it's fair to keep out players who were great but never
> performed well in big games or never even played in big games (see
> 1998 Callahan Brian Harriford).

If they keep letting in just 3 or 4 players a year there's a whole
lotta people ain't gonna see the Hall of Fame. They're already so far
behind it's not even funny, and yet they make Dobyns wait while more
and more more players fill out their resumes every year.
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53624 is a reply to message #53597] Tue, 02 March 2010 15:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Mar 2, 2:27 pm, "David I. Vatz" <davidv...@gmail.com> wrote:
..>
> I don't think the UPAs process is much different than other
> bodies...here's an excerpt (shortened for RSD) from Ed Bouchette of
> the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (www.post-gazette.com) on how the NFL
> determines HOF inductees:
>
> "There are 15 modern day candidates and two seniors. First, we discuss
> all 17 candidates. One person for each candidate is chosen to begin
> the discussion or make the case for him....
>
> ...After all the discussions are finished, we vote. First, we vote for
> the seniors. That one, we either vote yes or no. All votes are secret,
> done on paper and handed to members of one of the big four accounting
> firms chosen by the Hall to count the votes. If a seniors candidate
> receives 80 percent of the vote, he’s in, although we voters do not
> know who makes it until everyone else does at the announcement on TV.
>
> Then, we vote on the 15 modern-day candidates, our FIRST vote. We vote
> for 10. Then, we take a break as those votes are counted, usually for
> lunch that is brought in for us. The votes are tallied and a final 10
> make the next round (a few years ago, there were 11 because of a tie).
>
> The discussions then begin anew on those 10, this time without one
> person having to make a case. After those discussions end – this round
> is a lot shorter – we vote again. This time, we vote AGAIN, for five.
> Those votes are tallied, and then we come to our FINAL vote. The final
> vote is merely yes or no on each candidate. All five can make it, or
> as few as three. Once that vote is taken, we’re done and are free to
> go and we do not know who made it until the announcement on TV."

then espn does reports on it and does their own polls, right?......so
think of the rsd median as if we are espn and their audience
combined.....only people take it upon themselves to write reports and
generate dialouge. Then imaging espn being around back in the day
when the MLB hall of fame was established and imagin what kind of
reponse their would have been from various journalists and analist if
ty cobb would have been rejected.
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53625 is a reply to message #53624] Tue, 02 March 2010 15:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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Registered: October 2008
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> think of rsd as espn
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

--hey!...i've been sayin' that for like....15 years now!
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53667 is a reply to message #53591] Wed, 03 March 2010 04:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Mar 2, 1:45 pm, Throw <i...@ThisIsUltimate.com> wrote:
> Keith Ls above mention of "contributor" makes mucho sense.
>
> Kenny's Mom had a tradition of huge sideline spreads of food
> right..feasts?
>
> Technically she was a contributor to the sport back then.
>
> I predict both Kenny Dobyns  & his Mom will get voted in the HOF the
> same year.
>
> But this probably won't happen till 2018.......50th anniversary of the
> sport.
>
> You heard it here first.
>
> Later,
> Lance Marput

notice how spirit zealots like throw and 3jane come here and talk
their little sz shit yet dont even have the balls to cast a yes or no
vote.......what pussies!!!!!! i guess they know they are so
outnumbered by us "progressives" that they are too wussified to
represent (their sally ass sz contengincy that is).
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53673 is a reply to message #53667] Wed, 03 March 2010 06:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
throw
Messages: 743
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
oh todd leber ulticritic,

you poor lost soul...

I'm waiting to hear a few more details of Kenny D's sermon on the
mount before I cast a HOF thumbs up or thumbs down.

Anyone wanna give a short write up of that historic speech? It was
mentioned it out here a month or two ago.

Either way....Mr. Dobyns has already admitted on his blog (no time to
go looking for that quote at the moment) that "back in the day" his
life priorities were completely out of whack. I'm not putting words in
his mouth.

If this is the case OFF the playing field....him openly regretting
decisions made in his personal life....why should I believe his
priorities / decisions on the playing field were commendable?


Later,
Peter McCarthy
Columbia, MO
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53675 is a reply to message #53673] Wed, 03 March 2010 07:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
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Peter,

I think your last post is a low blow. I appreciate KD's honest & excellent writing on his blog. I agree with the person who wrote on Jim's blog that "Finally, I dare anyone to say they have never cheated in ultimate". (assuming you define "cheating" as intentionally breaking the rules to gain an advantage, which would include everything from fast counting to bumping on the mark to wrongly making/contesting a call.)

I don't have any personal experience in watching/playing against Kenny in his prime. I can't say that I can make a completely informed decision on Kenny getting into the hall, although based upon what I know & these discussions: the dude should be in the HOF.

I have read his blog & I don't think there's any "confessions" there that somehow discredits his record of excellence & winning. Henry defined them as "admissions that were so damning". If an admission of a wrongly contested strip call in the endzone is going to keep people out of the hall of fame, you're all doomed to permanent anonymity.

sinners casting the first stone.

Knappy
Re: RSD POLL ON THE KD HOF ISSUE [message #53676 is a reply to message #53675] Wed, 03 March 2010 08:02 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
throw
Messages: 743
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
knappy wrote:

"I don't have any personal experience in watching/playing
against Kenny in his prime. I can't say that I can make a
completely informed decision on Kenny getting into the hall..."


Same goes for me Knappy. I'm still trying to separate the mythical KD
from the real KD before I give the thumbs up or thumbs down.

Anyway....anyone know if KD was reading a speech or just talking off
the top of his head during his historic sermon?

Later,
Peter Mc
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