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South Open Reginols [message #37916] Mon, 21 September 2009 07:04 Go to next message
McCargo
Messages: 119
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
Here we go!

So the bid breakdown is a little messed up as only 15 bids were given
out. Not sure who that 16th team will be and what teams will not be
making the drive to ATL in two weekends. This may be a little east
coast biased but El Diablo did have some good wins at Chesapeake this
year. Chain is the top seed with a head to head win over dub. 3rd year
in a row for DW to win the region? Damn I wish there was a third bid
this year...

Rankings up for debate:

1 Chain
2 Doublewide
3 Tanasi
4 El Diablo
5 For the Story
6 Grit
7 Uproar
8 Ironmen
9 Florda
10 Cottenmouth
11 Black Angus
12 Seuss
13 Vicious Cycle
14 Turbodog
15 Riverside 1
16 ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
Re: South Open Regionals [message #37918 is a reply to message #37916] Mon, 21 September 2009 07:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
McCargo
Messages: 119
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Sep 21, 10:04 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here we go!
>
> So the bid breakdown is a little messed up as only 15 bids were given
> out. Not sure who that 16th team will be and what teams will not be
> making the drive to ATL in two weekends. This may be a little east
> coast biased but El Diablo did have some good wins at Chesapeake this
> year. Chain is the top seed with a head to head win over dub. 3rd year
> in a row for DW to win the region? Damn I wish there was a third bid
> this year...
>
> Rankings up for debate:
>
> 1       Chain
> 2       Doublewide
> 3       Tanasi
> 4       El Diablo
> 5       For the Story
> 6       Grit
> 7       Uproar
> 8       Ironmen
> 9       Florda
> 10      Cottenmouth
> 11      Black Angus
> 12      Seuss
> 13      Vicious Cycle
> 14      Turbodog
> 15      Riverside 1
> 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
Re: South Open Regionals [message #37928 is a reply to message #37918] Mon, 21 September 2009 09:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
andrewroca
Messages: 68
Registered: September 2008
Location: Central Florida
Member
On Sep 21, 10:09 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 10:04 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Here we go!
>
> > So the bid breakdown is a little messed up as only 15 bids were given
> > out. Not sure who that 16th team will be and what teams will not be
> > making the drive to ATL in two weekends. This may be a little east
> > coast biased but El Diablo did have some good wins at Chesapeake this
> > year. Chain is the top seed with a head to head win over dub. 3rd year
> > in a row for DW to win the region? Damn I wish there was a third bid
> > this year...
>
> > Rankings up for debate:
>
> > 1       Chain
> > 2       Doublewide
> > 3       Tanasi
> > 4       El Diablo
> > 5       For the Story
> > 6       Grit
> > 7       Uproar
> > 8       Ironmen
> > 9       Florda
> > 10      Cottenmouth
> > 11      Black Angus
> > 12      Seuss
> > 13      Vicious Cycle
> > 14      Turbodog
> > 15      Riverside 1
> > 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

FTS > El Diablo


-Rawwwwwr
Re: South Open Regionals [message #37929 is a reply to message #37918] Mon, 21 September 2009 09:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Zeke
Messages: 20
Registered: November 2008
Junior Member
On Sep 21, 9:09 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 10:04 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Here we go!
>
> > So the bid breakdown is a little messed up as only 15 bids were given
> > out. Not sure who that 16th team will be and what teams will not be
> > making the drive to ATL in two weekends. This may be a little east
> > coast biased but El Diablo did have some good wins at Chesapeake this
> > year. Chain is the top seed with a head to head win over dub. 3rd year
> > in a row for DW to win the region? Damn I wish there was a third bid
> > this year...
>
> > Rankings up for debate:
>
> > 1       Chain
> > 2       Doublewide
> > 3       Tanasi
> > 4       El Diablo
> > 5       For the Story
> > 6       Grit
> > 7       Uproar
> > 8       Ironmen
> > 9       Florda
> > 10      Cottenmouth
> > 11      Black Angus
> > 12      Seuss
> > 13      Vicious Cycle
> > 14      Turbodog
> > 15      Riverside 1
> > 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?

I agree with you on the first 5. I'd say Grit is a little over ranked,
switch them with Uproar. Seuss has a h2h win over Cottonmouth and BA/
Cottonmouth never played. Drop Cottonmouth below Seuss. My rankings
would look like this.

1 Chain
2 Doublewide
3 Tanasi
4 El Diablo
5 For the Story
6 Uproar
7 Grit
8 Ironmen
9 Florda
10 Black Angus
11 Seuss
12 Cottonmouth
13 Vicious Cycle
14 Turbodog
15 Riverside 1
16 ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?

That gives the following matchups for the first round

1. Chain (East Coast) vs. Dual/Cartle/4 Horsemen/Brangus
2. Doublewide (Texas) vs. Riverside (Texas)
3. Tanasi (East Coast) vs. Turbodog (Gulf Coast)
4. El Diablo (East Coast) vs. Vicious Cycle (Florida)
5. For the Story (Florida) vs. Cottonmouth (Gulf Coast)
6. Uproar (Florida) vs. Seuss (Texas)
7. Grit (Texas) vs. Black Angus (Texas)
8. Ironmen (Gulf Coast) vs. Florida (Florida)

This does leave two first round matchups against intrasection teams
but Doublewide and Riverside haven't played this year. You could
switch Grit and Ironmen if you wanted to eliminate these matchups.

and assuming higher seeds all take the first round the following
second round matchups
1. Chain vs. Ironmen/Grit (if you make the suggested switch above)
2. Doublewide vs. Grit/Ironmen
3. Tanasi vs. Uproar
4. El Diablo vs. For the Story

9. Florida vs. 16th-seed
10. Black Angus vs. Riverside
11. Seuss vs. Turbodog
12. Cottonmouth vs. Vicious Cycle

Which means that there'd only be one potential intrasection matchup in
the second round as well (Angus vs. Riverside).
Re: South Open Regionals [message #37981 is a reply to message #37929] Mon, 21 September 2009 10:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
McCargo
Messages: 119
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Sep 21, 12:12 pm, Steven Zittrower <steven.zittro...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sep 21, 9:09 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 21, 10:04 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Here we go!
>
> > > So the bid breakdown is a little messed up as only 15 bids were given
> > > out. Not sure who that 16th team will be and what teams will not be
> > > making the drive to ATL in two weekends. This may be a little east
> > > coast biased but El Diablo did have some good wins at Chesapeake this
> > > year. Chain is the top seed with a head to head win over dub. 3rd year
> > > in a row for DW to win the region? Damn I wish there was a third bid
> > > this year...
>
> > > Rankings up for debate:
>
> > > 1       Chain
> > > 2       Doublewide
> > > 3       Tanasi
> > > 4       El Diablo
> > > 5       For the Story
> > > 6       Grit
> > > 7       Uproar
> > > 8       Ironmen
> > > 9       Florda
> > > 10      Cottenmouth
> > > 11      Black Angus
> > > 12      Seuss
> > > 13      Vicious Cycle
> > > 14      Turbodog
> > > 15      Riverside 1
> > > 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
> I agree with you on the first 5. I'd say Grit is a little over ranked,
> switch them with Uproar. Seuss has a h2h win over Cottonmouth and BA/
> Cottonmouth never played. Drop Cottonmouth below Seuss. My rankings
> would look like this.
>
> 1       Chain
> 2       Doublewide
> 3       Tanasi
> 4       El Diablo
> 5       For the Story
> 6       Uproar
> 7       Grit
> 8       Ironmen
> 9       Florda
> 10      Black Angus
> 11      Seuss
> 12      Cottonmouth
> 13      Vicious Cycle
> 14      Turbodog
> 15      Riverside 1
> 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
> That gives the following matchups for the first round
>
> 1. Chain (East Coast) vs. Dual/Cartle/4 Horsemen/Brangus
> 2. Doublewide (Texas) vs. Riverside (Texas)
> 3. Tanasi (East Coast) vs. Turbodog (Gulf Coast)
> 4. El Diablo (East Coast) vs. Vicious Cycle (Florida)
> 5. For the Story (Florida) vs. Cottonmouth (Gulf Coast)
> 6. Uproar (Florida) vs. Seuss (Texas)
> 7. Grit (Texas) vs. Black Angus (Texas)
> 8. Ironmen (Gulf Coast) vs. Florida (Florida)
>
> This does leave two first round matchups against intrasection teams
> but Doublewide and Riverside haven't played this year. You could
> switch Grit and Ironmen if you wanted to eliminate these matchups.
>
> and assuming higher seeds all take the first round the following
> second round matchups
> 1. Chain vs. Ironmen/Grit (if you make the suggested switch above)
> 2. Doublewide vs. Grit/Ironmen
> 3. Tanasi vs. Uproar
> 4. El Diablo vs. For the Story
>
> 9. Florida vs. 16th-seed
> 10. Black Angus vs. Riverside
> 11. Seuss vs. Turbodog
> 12. Cottonmouth vs. Vicious Cycle
>
> Which means that there'd only be one potential intrasection matchup in
> the second round as well (Angus vs. Riverside).

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Re: South Open Reginols [message #37999 is a reply to message #37916] Mon, 21 September 2009 11:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colesullivan14
Messages: 61
Registered: March 2009
Member
On Sep 21, 10:04 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here we go!
>
> So the bid breakdown is a little messed up as only 15 bids were given
> out. Not sure who that 16th team will be and what teams will not be
> making the drive to ATL in two weekends. This may be a little east
> coast biased but El Diablo did have some good wins at Chesapeake this
> year. Chain is the top seed with a head to head win over dub. 3rd year
> in a row for DW to win the region? Damn I wish there was a third bid
> this year...
>
> Rankings up for debate:
>
> 1       Chain
> 2       Doublewide
> 3       Tanasi
> 4       El Diablo
> 5       For the Story
> 6       Grit
> 7       Uproar
> 8       Ironmen
> 9       Florda
> 10      Cottenmouth
> 11      Black Angus
> 12      Seuss
> 13      Vicious Cycle
> 14      Turbodog
> 15      Riverside 1
> 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?

florida should be third. these rankings are bullshit
Re: South Open Reginols [message #38001 is a reply to message #37999] Mon, 21 September 2009 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
markham
Messages: 11
Registered: April 2009
Junior Member
On Sep 21, 11:38 am, Cole Sullivan <colesulliva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 10:04 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Here we go!
>
> > So the bid breakdown is a little messed up as only 15 bids were given
> > out. Not sure who that 16th team will be and what teams will not be
> > making the drive to ATL in two weekends. This may be a little east
> > coast biased but El Diablo did have some good wins at Chesapeake this
> > year. Chain is the top seed with a head to head win over dub. 3rd year
> > in a row for DW to win the region? Damn I wish there was a third bid
> > this year...
>
> > Rankings up for debate:
>
> > 1       Chain
> > 2       Doublewide
> > 3       Tanasi
> > 4       El Diablo
> > 5       For the Story
> > 6       Grit
> > 7       Uproar
> > 8       Ironmen
> > 9       Florda
> > 10      Cottenmouth
> > 11      Black Angus
> > 12      Seuss
> > 13      Vicious Cycle
> > 14      Turbodog
> > 15      Riverside 1
> > 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
> florida should be third.  these rankings are bullshit

you are bad at frisbee.

do work tanasi
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38003 is a reply to message #37929] Mon, 21 September 2009 12:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
huckinterrapin
Messages: 28
Registered: March 2009
Location: Tulsa, OK
Junior Member
> I agree with you on the first 5. I'd say Grit is a little over ranked,
> switch them with Uproar. Seuss has a h2h win over Cottonmouth and BA/
> Cottonmouth never played. Drop Cottonmouth below Seuss.

Cottonmouth over Black Angus @ Heatout down in Baton Rouge.

Seuss over Cottonmouth @ Texas2Finger in Dallas.
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38005 is a reply to message #38003] Mon, 21 September 2009 12:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
HGLloyd
Messages: 10
Registered: June 2009
Junior Member
Florida 11 Tanasi 12

Great to see Florida is back to their normal ways!
Re: South Open Reginols [message #38006 is a reply to message #37999] Mon, 21 September 2009 12:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
HGLloyd
Messages: 10
Registered: June 2009
Junior Member
On Sep 21, 1:38 pm, Cole Sullivan <colesulliva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 10:04 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Here we go!
>
> > So the bid breakdown is a little messed up as only 15 bids were given
> > out. Not sure who that 16th team will be and what teams will not be
> > making the drive to ATL in two weekends. This may be a little east
> > coast biased but El Diablo did have some good wins at Chesapeake this
> > year. Chain is the top seed with a head to head win over dub. 3rd year
> > in a row for DW to win the region? Damn I wish there was a third bid
> > this year...
>
> > Rankings up for debate:
>
> > 1       Chain
> > 2       Doublewide
> > 3       Tanasi
> > 4       El Diablo
> > 5       For the Story
> > 6       Grit
> > 7       Uproar
> > 8       Ironmen
> > 9       Florda
> > 10      Cottenmouth
> > 11      Black Angus
> > 12      Seuss
> > 13      Vicious Cycle
> > 14      Turbodog
> > 15      Riverside 1
> > 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
> florida should be third.  these rankings are bullshit

Is this a joke??????
Re: South Open Reginols [message #38007 is a reply to message #37999] Mon, 21 September 2009 12:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ahill2323
Messages: 29
Registered: April 2009
Junior Member
Hey how dare you come after Cole like that! I thought the point of our
sport is that no one is bad and everyone is really really good?!?!
Re: South Open Reginols [message #38009 is a reply to message #38006] Mon, 21 September 2009 12:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jason
Messages: 24
Registered: April 2009
Junior Member
On Sep 21, 3:37 pm, Gray <hgll...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 1:38 pm, Cole Sullivan <colesulliva...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 21, 10:04 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Here we go!
>
> > > So the bid breakdown is a little messed up as only 15 bids were given
> > > out. Not sure who that 16th team will be and what teams will not be
> > > making the drive to ATL in two weekends. This may be a little east
> > > coast biased but El Diablo did have some good wins at Chesapeake this
> > > year. Chain is the top seed with a head to head win over dub. 3rd year
> > > in a row for DW to win the region? Damn I wish there was a third bid
> > > this year...
>
> > > Rankings up for debate:
>
> > > 1       Chain
> > > 2       Doublewide
> > > 3       Tanasi
> > > 4       El Diablo
> > > 5       For the Story
> > > 6       Grit
> > > 7       Uproar
> > > 8       Ironmen
> > > 9       Florda
> > > 10      Cottenmouth
> > > 11      Black Angus
> > > 12      Seuss
> > > 13      Vicious Cycle
> > > 14      Turbodog
> > > 15      Riverside 1
> > > 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
> > florida should be third.  these rankings are bullshit
>
> Is this a joke??????

No Way! Don't disrespect a nationals team...oh wait.
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38022 is a reply to message #38003] Mon, 21 September 2009 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Zeke
Messages: 20
Registered: November 2008
Junior Member
On Sep 21, 2:14 pm, huckinterrapin <huckinterra...@aol.com> wrote:
> > I agree with you on the first 5. I'd say Grit is a little over ranked,
> > switch them with Uproar. Seuss has a h2h win over Cottonmouth and BA/
> > Cottonmouth never played. Drop Cottonmouth below Seuss.
>
> Cottonmouth over Black Angus @ Heatout down in Baton Rouge.
>
> Seuss over Cottonmouth @ Texas2Finger in Dallas.

Oh, that isn't on score reporter. Anyhow here's how I see it.

Seuss 2-0 vs. Black Angus (Texas2Finger, Aug and Texas Sectionals,
Sept)
Seuss 1-0 vs. Cottonmouth (Texas2Finger, Aug)
Cottonmouth 1-0 vs. Angus (Heatout, July)

According to you, Cottonmouth beat Angus at Heatout (I don't doubt
this at all). Unfortunately, Angus has to be seeded higher than Seuss
or I'd just have Seuss higher than both of these teams since they have
h2h wins over both and zero losses. I guess I can see arguments for
both sides.
Re: South Open Reginols [message #38023 is a reply to message #38007] Mon, 21 September 2009 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mimmo
Messages: 587
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Sep 21, 12:43 pm, Alex Hill <ahill2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey how dare you come after Cole like that! I thought the point of our
> sport is that no one is bad and everyone is really really good?!?!

except me
Re: South Open Reginols [message #38053 is a reply to message #37999] Mon, 21 September 2009 18:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joe.m.segal
Messages: 185
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Sep 21, 2:38 pm, Cole Sullivan <colesulliva...@gmail.com> wrote:

> florida should be third.  these rankings are bullshit

I only know of two things named "Cole S." One of them is full of
mayonnaise and cabbage. The other is Cole Slaw.
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38126 is a reply to message #37929] Tue, 22 September 2009 10:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Justin Burk
Messages: 3
Registered: September 2009
Junior Member
Assumptions:
- Section Strength Order: East Coast, Texas, Florida, Gulf Coast
- I'm only using results that are either shown on score-reporter or
presented in this thread

1. Chain
Win at heatout, chesapeake

2. DW
Second place finishes at heatout (loss to chain), colorado cup, and
labor day.

3. Tanasi
Wins over most of the other major teams in the region: Pike, Florida,
Vicious, Cottonmouth, Grit, Iron Men, Duel, Overthrow, Diablo (twice).

4. Diablo
Mixed results, but wins over Madison Club, Sons of Liberty, X-Rates,
Duel (x2), and Overthrow. Note, putting them here means ALL of the
east coast qualifiers are seeded higher than the other 11 teams (seeds
5-16, unless Duel is the 16th seed).

5. For The Story (FTS)
Mixed results, with wins over Vicious, Overthrow, Uproar, and
Florida. 1st place in FL section. Could move to #4 based on
sectionals placement, but its a poor argument given Diablo's quality
wins.

6. Grit
Mixed results, wins over Cottonmouth, Suess (2-1), Pike, Mephisto,
Angus. Note Grit loss to Sons of Liberty in common opponents with
Diablo.

> I agree with you on the first 5. I'd say Grit is a little over ranked,
> switch them with Uproar.

Can you elaborate on your support is for this assertion. Grit has
quality wins at Chesapeake, and, as far as I can tell from score-
reporter, Uproar does not. Furthermore, Grit is a 2nd place finisher
in what is frankly a stronger section than Florida this year (see DW,
Grit, Suess at colorado cup, chesapeake, and labor day). IMO, you
can't defend this position without more evidence.

note: my judgement of the FL section is also based on the fact that
there is no clear cut team that has definitively competed outside of
southeast tournaments, i.e. equivlent to ronin 2008

7. Uproar
Mixed results, wins over Vicious and Florida at sectionals. Very few
results on score-reporter. little evidence to seed them higher than
this. Someone could likely make an argument for putting them below
Iron Men.

8. Iron Men
Poor results early, but good results late. 1st in gulf coast section
may not be highly valued by most, but it is still a 1st place finish.
This puts them at the top of the bottom half of the tournament, IMO.

9. Florida
Like Uproar, very few results on score-reporter. Good wins at
southers in June against Overthrow and FTS. Lack of out of section
wins and 3rd place finish in a florida section suffering from a weak
year makes it hard to justify a harder seeding.

10. Cottenmouth
11. Angus
12. Suess
Based on H2H, 10-12 should be Suess, Cottonmouth, Angus. However,
Suess finishes lower than Angus at sectionals. Therefore, by default,
10-12 must be Cottonmouth, Angus, Suess? This is really an injustice
to Suess. I don't know what the right way to handle it would be, but
suess' 2nd place finish at Co Cup (open division) and win at Tx2Finger
should lend them credibility.

13. Vicious Cycle
Doesn't look like vicious has any quality wins this year. Losses to
Uproar, Florida, FTS, Tanasi, Overthrow.

14. Turbodog
15. Riverside
Turbodog should be above Riverside with H2H at the 14/15 spots, but
(like the 10/11 spots), if you switch them then you eliminate the
first round inter-section matchup between riverside & DW.

16. (TBD)
Duel seems to be the obvious choice here. Don't know anything about
them, but their wins against Overthrow + 4th place finish in the
hardest section in the South region lend their team alot of credibilty
for the 16 spot.

In summary:

1. Chain
2. DW
3. Tanasi
4. Diablo
5. FTS
6. Grit
7. Uproar
8. Iron Men
9. Florida
10. Cottenmouth
11. Angus
12. Suess
13. Vicious
14. Turbo
15. Riverside
16. (TBD, Duel?)

Justin Burk
Grit #11
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38136 is a reply to message #38126] Tue, 22 September 2009 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rich Johnston
Messages: 46
Registered: September 2008
Member
On Sep 22, 1:27 pm, Justin Burk <justinb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Assumptions:
> -  Section Strength Order: East Coast, Texas, Florida, Gulf Coast
> -  I'm only using results that are either shown on score-reporter or
> presented in this thread
>
> 1.  Chain
> Win at heatout, chesapeake
>
> 2.  DW
> Second place finishes at heatout (loss to chain), colorado cup, and
> labor day.
>
> 3.  Tanasi
> Wins over most of the other major teams in the region: Pike, Florida,
> Vicious, Cottonmouth, Grit, Iron Men, Duel, Overthrow, Diablo (twice).
>
> 4.  Diablo
> Mixed results, but wins over Madison Club, Sons of Liberty, X-Rates,
> Duel (x2), and Overthrow. Note, putting them here means ALL of the
> east coast qualifiers are seeded higher than the other 11 teams (seeds
> 5-16, unless Duel is the 16th seed).
>
> 5.  For The Story (FTS)
> Mixed results, with wins over Vicious, Overthrow, Uproar, and
> Florida.  1st place in FL section.  Could move to #4 based on
> sectionals placement, but its a poor argument given Diablo's quality
> wins.
>
> 6.  Grit
> Mixed results, wins over Cottonmouth, Suess (2-1), Pike, Mephisto,
> Angus.  Note Grit loss to Sons of Liberty in common opponents with
> Diablo.
>
> > I agree with you on the first 5. I'd say Grit is a little over ranked,
> > switch them with Uproar.
>
> Can you elaborate on your support is for this assertion.  Grit has
> quality wins at Chesapeake, and, as far as I can tell from score-
> reporter, Uproar does not. Furthermore, Grit is a 2nd place finisher
> in what is frankly a stronger section than Florida this year (see DW,
> Grit, Suess at colorado cup, chesapeake, and labor day).  IMO, you
> can't defend this position without more evidence.
>
> note: my judgement of the FL section is also based on the fact that
> there is no clear cut team that has definitively competed outside of
> southeast tournaments, i.e. equivlent to ronin 2008
>
> 7.  Uproar
> Mixed results, wins over Vicious and Florida at sectionals.  Very few
> results on score-reporter.  little evidence to seed them higher than
> this.  Someone could likely make an argument for putting them below
> Iron Men.
>
> 8.  Iron Men
> Poor results early, but good results late.  1st in gulf coast section
> may not be highly valued by most, but it is still a 1st place finish.
> This puts them at the top of the bottom half of the tournament, IMO.
>
> 9.  Florida
> Like Uproar, very few results on score-reporter.  Good wins at
> southers in June against Overthrow and FTS.  Lack of out of section
> wins and 3rd place finish in a florida section suffering from a weak
> year makes it hard to justify a harder seeding.
>
> 10.  Cottenmouth
> 11.  Angus
> 12.  Suess
> Based on H2H, 10-12 should be Suess, Cottonmouth, Angus.  However,
> Suess finishes lower than Angus at sectionals.  Therefore, by default,
> 10-12 must be Cottonmouth, Angus, Suess?  This is really an injustice
> to Suess.  I don't know what the right way to handle it would be, but
> suess' 2nd place finish at Co Cup (open division) and win at Tx2Finger
> should lend them credibility.
>
> 13.  Vicious Cycle
> Doesn't look like vicious has any quality wins this year.  Losses to
> Uproar, Florida, FTS, Tanasi, Overthrow.
>
> 14.  Turbodog
> 15.  Riverside
> Turbodog should be above Riverside with H2H at the 14/15 spots, but
> (like the 10/11 spots), if you switch them then you eliminate the
> first round inter-section matchup between riverside & DW.
>
> 16.  (TBD)
> Duel seems to be the obvious choice here.  Don't know anything about
> them, but their wins against Overthrow + 4th place finish in the
> hardest section in the South region lend their team alot of credibilty
> for the 16 spot.
>
> In summary:
>
> 1.  Chain
> 2.  DW
> 3.  Tanasi
> 4.  Diablo
> 5.  FTS
> 6.  Grit
> 7.  Uproar
> 8.  Iron Men
> 9.  Florida
> 10.  Cottenmouth
> 11.  Angus
> 12.  Suess
> 13.  Vicious
> 14.  Turbo
> 15.  Riverside
> 16.  (TBD, Duel?)
>
> Justin Burk
> Grit #11

I'm not sure what the rules say about teams that get 'unaccepted' bids
to regionals in regard to their seeding. In this case, had Duel
qualified (and they would have if not for the rain/change of location/
teams bailing in the East Coast), they'd have a legit argument to be
seeded 8/9/10ish. If they have to be seeded 16th because they are the
'last team in', then that's going to have a significant impact on the
backdoor bracket.
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38200 is a reply to message #38136] Tue, 22 September 2009 20:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
patrickcorn
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Yes, Duel should not be 16th. The Diablo-Duel game to go was 11-9, and
that was not a fluke. If Diablo is #4 then Duel should be somewhere in
the middle. I'm not sure Diablo should be #4, but...

At Shawn Adams Iron Men (with, I'm guessing, not quite a full roster)
lost in quarters to Overthrow, who then lost to Duel in semis. That
sounds like a decent argument for a #8 seed for Duel. They'd play Iron
Men right away anyway.

Relying on results from Southerns is pretty silly. The teams at that
tournament bore little or no resemblance to their current
incarnations.

On Sep 22, 2:26 pm, Rich <henry.johns...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 22, 1:27 pm, Justin Burk <justinb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Assumptions:
> > -  Section Strength Order: East Coast, Texas, Florida, Gulf Coast
> > -  I'm only using results that are either shown on score-reporter or
> > presented in this thread
>
> > 1.  Chain
> > Win at heatout, chesapeake
>
> > 2.  DW
> > Second place finishes at heatout (loss to chain), colorado cup, and
> > labor day.
>
> > 3.  Tanasi
> > Wins over most of the other major teams in the region: Pike, Florida,
> > Vicious, Cottonmouth, Grit, Iron Men, Duel, Overthrow, Diablo (twice).
>
> > 4.  Diablo
> > Mixed results, but wins over Madison Club, Sons of Liberty, X-Rates,
> > Duel (x2), and Overthrow. Note, putting them here means ALL of the
> > east coast qualifiers are seeded higher than the other 11 teams (seeds
> > 5-16, unless Duel is the 16th seed).
>
> > 5.  For The Story (FTS)
> > Mixed results, with wins over Vicious, Overthrow, Uproar, and
> > Florida.  1st place in FL section.  Could move to #4 based on
> > sectionals placement, but its a poor argument given Diablo's quality
> > wins.
>
> > 6.  Grit
> > Mixed results, wins over Cottonmouth, Suess (2-1), Pike, Mephisto,
> > Angus.  Note Grit loss to Sons of Liberty in common opponents with
> > Diablo.
>
> > > I agree with you on the first 5. I'd say Grit is a little over ranked,
> > > switch them with Uproar.
>
> > Can you elaborate on your support is for this assertion.  Grit has
> > quality wins at Chesapeake, and, as far as I can tell from score-
> > reporter, Uproar does not. Furthermore, Grit is a 2nd place finisher
> > in what is frankly a stronger section than Florida this year (see DW,
> > Grit, Suess at colorado cup, chesapeake, and labor day).  IMO, you
> > can't defend this position without more evidence.
>
> > note: my judgement of the FL section is also based on the fact that
> > there is no clear cut team that has definitively competed outside of
> > southeast tournaments, i.e. equivlent to ronin 2008
>
> > 7.  Uproar
> > Mixed results, wins over Vicious and Florida at sectionals.  Very few
> > results on score-reporter.  little evidence to seed them higher than
> > this.  Someone could likely make an argument for putting them below
> > Iron Men.
>
> > 8.  Iron Men
> > Poor results early, but good results late.  1st in gulf coast section
> > may not be highly valued by most, but it is still a 1st place finish.
> > This puts them at the top of the bottom half of the tournament, IMO.
>
> > 9.  Florida
> > Like Uproar, very few results on score-reporter.  Good wins at
> > southers in June against Overthrow and FTS.  Lack of out of section
> > wins and 3rd place finish in a florida section suffering from a weak
> > year makes it hard to justify a harder seeding.
>
> > 10.  Cottenmouth
> > 11.  Angus
> > 12.  Suess
> > Based on H2H, 10-12 should be Suess, Cottonmouth, Angus.  However,
> > Suess finishes lower than Angus at sectionals.  Therefore, by default,
> > 10-12 must be Cottonmouth, Angus, Suess?  This is really an injustice
> > to Suess.  I don't know what the right way to handle it would be, but
> > suess' 2nd place finish at Co Cup (open division) and win at Tx2Finger
> > should lend them credibility.
>
> > 13.  Vicious Cycle
> > Doesn't look like vicious has any quality wins this year.  Losses to
> > Uproar, Florida, FTS, Tanasi, Overthrow.
>
> > 14.  Turbodog
> > 15.  Riverside
> > Turbodog should be above Riverside with H2H at the 14/15 spots, but
> > (like the 10/11 spots), if you switch them then you eliminate the
> > first round inter-section matchup between riverside & DW.
>
> > 16.  (TBD)
> > Duel seems to be the obvious choice here.  Don't know anything about
> > them, but their wins against Overthrow + 4th place finish in the
> > hardest section in the South region lend their team alot of credibilty
> > for the 16 spot.
>
> > In summary:
>
> > 1.  Chain
> > 2.  DW
> > 3.  Tanasi
> > 4.  Diablo
> > 5.  FTS
> > 6.  Grit
> > 7.  Uproar
> > 8.  Iron Men
> > 9.  Florida
> > 10.  Cottenmouth
> > 11.  Angus
> > 12.  Suess
> > 13.  Vicious
> > 14.  Turbo
> > 15.  Riverside
> > 16.  (TBD, Duel?)
>
> > Justin Burk
> > Grit #11
>
> I'm not sure what the rules say about teams that get 'unaccepted' bids
> to regionals in regard to their seeding.  In this case, had Duel
> qualified (and they would have if not for the rain/change of location/
> teams bailing in the East Coast), they'd have a legit argument to be
> seeded 8/9/10ish.  If they have to be seeded 16th because they are the
> 'last team in', then that's going to have a significant impact on the
> backdoor bracket.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Re: South Open Reginols [message #38209 is a reply to message #38053] Tue, 22 September 2009 22:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mimmo
Messages: 587
Registered: September 2008
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On Sep 21, 6:48 pm, Joe Segal <joe.m.se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 2:38 pm, Cole Sullivan <colesulliva...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > florida should be third.  these rankings are bullshit
>
> I only know of two things named "Cole S."  One of them is full of
> mayonnaise and cabbage.  The other is Cole Slaw.

Unfunny...way to win the section FTS, although I heard about the
finals and what those rascals from Gainesville did, so you can't feel
too confident...but a win's a win!
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38243 is a reply to message #38200] Wed, 23 September 2009 07:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
leadingzero
Messages: 38
Registered: July 2009
Member
On Sep 22, 10:41 pm, "patrickc...@gmail.com" <patrickc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> At Shawn Adams Iron Men (with, I'm guessing, not quite a full roster)
> lost in quarters to Overthrow, who then lost to Duel in semis. That
> sounds like a decent argument for a #8 seed for Duel. They'd play Iron
> Men right away anyway.


That would mean that a 4th place finisher at sectionals would be
seeded higher than a 1st place finisher. I understand that the East
Coast is the strongest section but this is getting ridiculous.
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38246 is a reply to message #38243] Wed, 23 September 2009 07:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
McCargo
Messages: 119
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Sep 23, 10:14 am, brndon <morgad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 22, 10:41 pm, "patrickc...@gmail.com" <patrickc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > At Shawn Adams Iron Men (with, I'm guessing, not quite a full roster)
> > lost in quarters to Overthrow, who then lost to Duel in semis. That
> > sounds like a decent argument for a #8 seed for Duel. They'd play Iron
> > Men right away anyway.
>
> That would mean that a 4th place finisher at sectionals would be
> seeded higher than a 1st place finisher. I understand that the East
> Coast is the strongest section but this is getting ridiculous.

Why is it "ridiculous" when Dual beat Overthrow (5th in the EC
section) who beat Ironmen in the last tourney before sections (Shaun).
If EC got 5 bids to Reggeis I would put all 5 ahead of a first place
team from another section in this situation.
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38248 is a reply to message #38246] Wed, 23 September 2009 07:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dahamma
Messages: 88
Registered: September 2008
Member
On Sep 23, 9:26 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 23, 10:14 am, brndon <morgad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 22, 10:41 pm, "patrickc...@gmail.com" <patrickc...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > At Shawn Adams Iron Men (with, I'm guessing, not quite a full roster)
> > > lost in quarters to Overthrow, who then lost to Duel in semis. That
> > > sounds like a decent argument for a #8 seed for Duel. They'd play Iron
> > > Men right away anyway.
>
> > That would mean that a 4th place finisher at sectionals would be
> > seeded higher than a 1st place finisher. I understand that the East
> > Coast is the strongest section but this is getting ridiculous.
>
> Why is it "ridiculous" when Dual beat Overthrow (5th in the EC
> section) who beat Ironmen in the last tourney before sections (Shaun).
> If EC got 5 bids to Reggeis I would put all 5 ahead of a first place
> team from another section in this situation.

Duel at 16th is definitely too low. Seuss is probably under-ranked if
they bring their full roster.

Stu's definitely got his work cut out for him settling all these
middle-tier teams into the 'right' spot.
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38257 is a reply to message #38248] Wed, 23 September 2009 08:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CBrowning
Messages: 190
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
So is Duel for sure in, or is that just the assumption? Also, anyone
have any idea how long it takes things to dry out after the kind of
rain ATL has got? Am I going to be driving to Statesboro again?
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38258 is a reply to message #38246] Wed, 23 September 2009 08:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
leadingzero
Messages: 38
Registered: July 2009
Member
> > > At Shawn Adams Iron Men (with, I'm guessing, not quite a full roster)
> > > lost in quarters to Overthrow, who then lost to Duel in semis. That
> > > sounds like a decent argument for a #8 seed for Duel. They'd play Iron
> > > Men right away anyway.
>
> > That would mean that a 4th place finisher at sectionals would be
> > seeded higher than a 1st place finisher. I understand that the East
> > Coast is the strongest section but this is getting ridiculous.
>
> Why is it "ridiculous" when Dual beat Overthrow (5th in the EC
> section) who beat Ironmen in the last tourney before sections (Shaun).
> If EC got 5 bids to Reggeis I would put all 5 ahead of a first place
> team from another section in this situation.

Well, since we're getting crazy how about this:

Iron Men beat Cottonmouth at Sectionals, who beat Ruckus in Chicago,
who beat Duel at Swill.
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38260 is a reply to message #38258] Wed, 23 September 2009 08:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
McCargo
Messages: 119
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Sep 23, 11:05 am, brndon <morgad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > At Shawn Adams Iron Men (with, I'm guessing, not quite a full roster)
> > > > lost in quarters to Overthrow, who then lost to Duel in semis. That
> > > > sounds like a decent argument for a #8 seed for Duel. They'd play Iron
> > > > Men right away anyway.
>
> > > That would mean that a 4th place finisher at sectionals would be
> > > seeded higher than a 1st place finisher. I understand that the East
> > > Coast is the strongest section but this is getting ridiculous.
>
> > Why is it "ridiculous" when Dual beat Overthrow (5th in the EC
> > section) who beat Ironmen in the last tourney before sections (Shaun).
> > If EC got 5 bids to Reggeis I would put all 5 ahead of a first place
> > team from another section in this situation.
>
> Well, since we're getting crazy how about this:
>
> Iron Men beat Cottonmouth at Sectionals, who beat Ruckus in Chicago,
> who beat Duel at Swill.

If Cotton had won the Gulf Coast section over Ironmen I would have put
Cotton over Dual. Cotton's loss at sectionals shows that the team is
not consistent (weak) and there for they get ranked lower. Coupled
with the fact that early season results (Swill - Aug 1st) are less
important than a tourney that happen 3 weeks ago. Dual went 0-fer at
Swill as it was a tryout tourney for them. They should have been Dual-
X in the score reporter.
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38262 is a reply to message #38260] Wed, 23 September 2009 08:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
leadingzero
Messages: 38
Registered: July 2009
Member
> If Cotton had won the Gulf Coast section over Ironmen I would have put
> Cotton over Dual. Cotton's loss at sectionals shows that the team is
> not consistent (weak) and there for they get ranked lower. Coupled
> with the fact that early season results (Swill - Aug 1st) are less
> important than a tourney that happen 3 weeks ago. Dual went 0-fer at
> Swill as it was a tryout tourney for them. They should have been Dual-
> X in the score reporter.


Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38272 is a reply to message #38262] Wed, 23 September 2009 09:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob
Messages: 977
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On Sep 23, 10:27 am, brndon <morgad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If Cotton had won the Gulf Coast section over Ironmen I would have put
> > Cotton over Dual. Cotton's loss at sectionals shows that the team is
> > not consistent (weak) and there for they get ranked lower. Coupled
> > with the fact that early season results (Swill - Aug 1st) are less
> > important than a tourney that happen 3 weeks ago. Dual went 0-fer at
> > Swill as it was a tryout tourney for them. They should have been Dual-
> > X in the score reporter.
>
> Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

At Swill, Duel was playing such a mishmash of players, many of whom
were put on Duel's B team, Glove Slap. I may have a bias here, but
Duel took half 8-6, and was 2 points away from taking Diablo's spot,
and Diablo currently is looking like the 4 seed. Looking at how they
played at Shawn, going to the finals, and how they played at
Sectionals, I think if they get the 16 seed, they're going to ruin a
lot of people's days in the backdoor. *(Make your backdoor jokes here)
*

Cavernous Caverns.
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38298 is a reply to message #38272] Wed, 23 September 2009 10:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
T H
Messages: 1142
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Location: Chattanooga, TN
Senior Member
> Duel took half 8-6, and was 2 points away from taking Diablo's spot,
> and Diablo currently is looking like the 4 seed.
I know this is only one of the many points you made in your post but,

If you don't penalize diablo for their "almost" loss to Duel should
Duel be rewarded for "almost" beating them?
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38319 is a reply to message #38298] Wed, 23 September 2009 11:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob
Messages: 977
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On Sep 23, 12:44 pm, Torre <torre.harg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Duel took half 8-6, and was 2 points away from taking Diablo's spot,
> > and Diablo currently is looking like the 4 seed.
>
> I know this is only one of the many points you made in your post but,
>
> If you don't penalize diablo for their "almost" loss to Duel should
> Duel be rewarded for "almost" beating them?

If the argument is that Diablo should be docked points for almost
losing to a Duel team, a team that I am saying is a very strong team
based on recent tournament performances, then fine.

But would you then move Diablo below FTS? Or Grit? FTS's schedule
shows only games against Florida teams, as far as I can tell. And
while that's sufficient for a team like Duel, who should be considered
for a spot between 9-13, I think the 4 seed is a hard argument for
FTS. Diablo has a credible record with wins against area teams (like
Duel and Smokeshack) and big wins at big tournaments (like Madison
Club and Sons of Liberty in Chesapeake).

Looks like FTS has only played Florida teams. Literally, their only
wins against non-Florida teams were in June against Overthrow and MUD.
Therefore, with Diablo legitimately placed in 4th, my original
argument remains in place - Duel should be considered for the 9-13
seeds. Perhaps the 13 to rematch Diablo vs Duel? Besides, not much
difference switching Diablo and FTS - they'll see each other early
anyway.

I'm not sayin' FTS isn't a legit team, and I'm sure they'll bring it
at regionals. I'm just sayin'...

F-ing Cavernous...

-Robu
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38322 is a reply to message #38319] Wed, 23 September 2009 11:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob
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I just realized Danny and all those UCF guys are on FTS... maybe I
should just keep my thoughts to myself.

Hope to see the gold shorts in ATL.
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38323 is a reply to message #38322] Wed, 23 September 2009 11:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mimmo
Messages: 587
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On Sep 23, 11:28 am, Rob <rob.c.hil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just realized Danny and all those UCF guys are on FTS... maybe I
> should just keep my thoughts to myself.
>
> Hope to see the gold shorts in ATL.

Those guys are gross
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38346 is a reply to message #37929] Wed, 23 September 2009 13:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tahj67
Messages: 4
Registered: September 2008
Junior Member
On Sep 21, 11:12 am, Steven Zittrower <steven.zittro...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sep 21, 9:09 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 21, 10:04 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Here we go!
>
> > > So the bid breakdown is a little messed up as only 15 bids were given
> > > out. Not sure who that 16th team will be and what teams will not be
> > > making the drive to ATL in two weekends. This may be a little east
> > > coast biased but El Diablo did have some good wins at Chesapeake this
> > > year. Chain is the top seed with a head to head win over dub. 3rd year
> > > in a row for DW to win the region? Damn I wish there was a third bid
> > > this year...
>
> > > Rankings up for debate:
>
> > > 1       Chain
> > > 2       Doublewide
> > > 3       Tanasi
> > > 4       El Diablo
> > > 5       For the Story
> > > 6       Grit
> > > 7       Uproar
> > > 8       Ironmen
> > > 9       Florda
> > > 10      Cottenmouth
> > > 11      Black Angus
> > > 12      Seuss
> > > 13      Vicious Cycle
> > > 14      Turbodog
> > > 15      Riverside 1
> > > 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
> I agree with you on the first 5. I'd say Grit is a little over ranked,
> switch them with Uproar. Seuss has a h2h win over Cottonmouth and BA/
> Cottonmouth never played. Drop Cottonmouth below Seuss. My rankings
> would look like this.
>
> 1       Chain
> 2       Doublewide
> 3       Tanasi
> 4       El Diablo
> 5       For the Story
> 6       Uproar
> 7       Grit
> 8       Ironmen
> 9       Florda
> 10      Black Angus
> 11      Seuss
> 12      Cottonmouth
> 13      Vicious Cycle
> 14      Turbodog
> 15      Riverside 1
> 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
> That gives the following matchups for the first round
>
> 1. Chain (East Coast) vs. Dual/Cartle/4 Horsemen/Brangus
> 2. Doublewide (Texas) vs. Riverside (Texas)
> 3. Tanasi (East Coast) vs. Turbodog (Gulf Coast)
> 4. El Diablo (East Coast) vs. Vicious Cycle (Florida)
> 5. For the Story (Florida) vs. Cottonmouth (Gulf Coast)
> 6. Uproar (Florida) vs. Seuss (Texas)
> 7. Grit (Texas) vs. Black Angus (Texas)
> 8. Ironmen (Gulf Coast) vs. Florida (Florida)
>
> This does leave two first round matchups against intrasection teams
> but Doublewide and Riverside haven't played this year. You could
> switch Grit and Ironmen if you wanted to eliminate these matchups.
>
> and assuming higher seeds all take the first round the following
> second round matchups
> 1. Chain vs. Ironmen/Grit (if you make the suggested switch above)
> 2. Doublewide vs. Grit/Ironmen
> 3. Tanasi vs. Uproar
> 4. El Diablo vs. For the Story
>
> 9. Florida vs. 16th-seed
> 10. Black Angus vs. Riverside
> 11. Seuss vs. Turbodog
> 12. Cottonmouth vs. Vicious Cycle
>
> Which means that there'd only be one potential intrasection matchup in
> the second round as well (Angus vs. Riverside).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I don't believe Riverside is bringing a team this year.
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38403 is a reply to message #38346] Wed, 23 September 2009 22:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
A
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Junior Member
I think a lot of the seeding problems stem from the lack of tourney
results being included on score reporter. as a member of the floride
section, I know most of the teams have attended several tournaments
outside of the region and obtained scores from teams outside of the
region or at least their own section, if we don't have these results
it makes it harder to seed regional tournaments and even late-season
open tournaments. On the other hand, i think teams also have the
opportunity ton enter their own scores in SR, which seems like the
best option if tds cant get their shit together, although it also
leaves open the option of rri inflation by misrepresenting scores in
self-reporting. every other similar situation in the sports world
seems to be able to make a ranking system based on actual results,
veen if it is extremely biased, wht is the solution for ultimate as we
know it?

On Sep 23, 4:33 pm, Thomas <tah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 11:12 am, Steven Zittrower <steven.zittro...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 21, 9:09 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 21, 10:04 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Here we go!
>
> > > > So the bid breakdown is a little messed up as only 15 bids were given
> > > > out. Not sure who that 16th team will be and what teams will not be
> > > > making the drive to ATL in two weekends. This may be a little east
> > > > coast biased but El Diablo did have some good wins at Chesapeake this
> > > > year. Chain is the top seed with a head to head win over dub. 3rd year
> > > > in a row for DW to win the region? Damn I wish there was a third bid
> > > > this year...
>
> > > > Rankings up for debate:
>
> > > > 1       Chain
> > > > 2       Doublewide
> > > > 3       Tanasi
> > > > 4       El Diablo
> > > > 5       For the Story
> > > > 6       Grit
> > > > 7       Uproar
> > > > 8       Ironmen
> > > > 9       Florda
> > > > 10      Cottenmouth
> > > > 11      Black Angus
> > > > 12      Seuss
> > > > 13      Vicious Cycle
> > > > 14      Turbodog
> > > > 15      Riverside 1
> > > > 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
> > I agree with you on the first 5. I'd say Grit is a little over ranked,
> > switch them with Uproar. Seuss has a h2h win over Cottonmouth and BA/
> > Cottonmouth never played. Drop Cottonmouth below Seuss. My rankings
> > would look like this.
>
> > 1       Chain
> > 2       Doublewide
> > 3       Tanasi
> > 4       El Diablo
> > 5       For the Story
> > 6       Uproar
> > 7       Grit
> > 8       Ironmen
> > 9       Florda
> > 10      Black Angus
> > 11      Seuss
> > 12      Cottonmouth
> > 13      Vicious Cycle
> > 14      Turbodog
> > 15      Riverside 1
> > 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
> > That gives the following matchups for the first round
>
> > 1. Chain (East Coast) vs. Dual/Cartle/4 Horsemen/Brangus
> > 2. Doublewide (Texas) vs. Riverside (Texas)
> > 3. Tanasi (East Coast) vs. Turbodog (Gulf Coast)
> > 4. El Diablo (East Coast) vs. Vicious Cycle (Florida)
> > 5. For the Story (Florida) vs. Cottonmouth (Gulf Coast)
> > 6. Uproar (Florida) vs. Seuss (Texas)
> > 7. Grit (Texas) vs. Black Angus (Texas)
> > 8. Ironmen (Gulf Coast) vs. Florida (Florida)
>
> > This does leave two first round matchups against intrasection teams
> > but Doublewide and Riverside haven't played this year. You could
> > switch Grit and Ironmen if you wanted to eliminate these matchups.
>
> > and assuming higher seeds all take the first round the following
> > second round matchups
> > 1. Chain vs. Ironmen/Grit (if you make the suggested switch above)
> > 2. Doublewide vs. Grit/Ironmen
> > 3. Tanasi vs. Uproar
> > 4. El Diablo vs. For the Story
>
> > 9. Florida vs. 16th-seed
> > 10. Black Angus vs. Riverside
> > 11. Seuss vs. Turbodog
> > 12. Cottonmouth vs. Vicious Cycle
>
> > Which means that there'd only be one potential intrasection matchup in
> > the second round as well (Angus vs. Riverside).- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I don't believe Riverside is bringing a team this year.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38404 is a reply to message #38403] Wed, 23 September 2009 22:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
A
Messages: 4
Registered: September 2009
Junior Member
okay, sorry I'm drunk and can't spell. still better than ulticritic or
his various toadies. not that spelling or grammar has anything to do
with anything. just how people perceive you, which seems to be the
whole crux of his refs/dancing girls arguement

On Sep 24, 1:12 am, A <eat_the_b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I think a lot of the seeding problems stem from the lack of tourney
> results being included on score reporter. as a member of the floride
> section, I know most of the teams have attended several tournaments
> outside of the region and obtained scores from teams outside of the
> region or at least their own section, if we don't have these results
> it makes it harder to seed regional tournaments and even late-season
> open tournaments. On the other hand, i think teams also have the
> opportunity ton enter their own scores in SR, which seems like the
> best option if tds cant get their shit together, although it also
> leaves open the option of rri inflation by misrepresenting scores in
> self-reporting. every other similar situation in the sports world
> seems to be able to make a ranking system based on actual results,
> veen if it is extremely biased, wht is the solution for ultimate as we
> know it?
>
> On Sep 23, 4:33 pm, Thomas <tah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 21, 11:12 am, Steven Zittrower <steven.zittro...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 21, 9:09 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 21, 10:04 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Here we go!
>
> > > > > So the bid breakdown is a little messed up as only 15 bids were given
> > > > > out. Not sure who that 16th team will be and what teams will not be
> > > > > making the drive to ATL in two weekends. This may be a little east
> > > > > coast biased but El Diablo did have some good wins at Chesapeake this
> > > > > year. Chain is the top seed with a head to head win over dub. 3rd year
> > > > > in a row for DW to win the region? Damn I wish there was a third bid
> > > > > this year...
>
> > > > > Rankings up for debate:
>
> > > > > 1       Chain
> > > > > 2       Doublewide
> > > > > 3       Tanasi
> > > > > 4       El Diablo
> > > > > 5       For the Story
> > > > > 6       Grit
> > > > > 7       Uproar
> > > > > 8       Ironmen
> > > > > 9       Florda
> > > > > 10      Cottenmouth
> > > > > 11      Black Angus
> > > > > 12      Seuss
> > > > > 13      Vicious Cycle
> > > > > 14      Turbodog
> > > > > 15      Riverside 1
> > > > > 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
> > > I agree with you on the first 5. I'd say Grit is a little over ranked,
> > > switch them with Uproar. Seuss has a h2h win over Cottonmouth and BA/
> > > Cottonmouth never played. Drop Cottonmouth below Seuss. My rankings
> > > would look like this.
>
> > > 1       Chain
> > > 2       Doublewide
> > > 3       Tanasi
> > > 4       El Diablo
> > > 5       For the Story
> > > 6       Uproar
> > > 7       Grit
> > > 8       Ironmen
> > > 9       Florda
> > > 10      Black Angus
> > > 11      Seuss
> > > 12      Cottonmouth
> > > 13      Vicious Cycle
> > > 14      Turbodog
> > > 15      Riverside 1
> > > 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
> > > That gives the following matchups for the first round
>
> > > 1. Chain (East Coast) vs. Dual/Cartle/4 Horsemen/Brangus
> > > 2. Doublewide (Texas) vs. Riverside (Texas)
> > > 3. Tanasi (East Coast) vs. Turbodog (Gulf Coast)
> > > 4. El Diablo (East Coast) vs. Vicious Cycle (Florida)
> > > 5. For the Story (Florida) vs. Cottonmouth (Gulf Coast)
> > > 6. Uproar (Florida) vs. Seuss (Texas)
> > > 7. Grit (Texas) vs. Black Angus (Texas)
> > > 8. Ironmen (Gulf Coast) vs. Florida (Florida)
>
> > > This does leave two first round matchups against intrasection teams
> > > but Doublewide and Riverside haven't played this year. You could
> > > switch Grit and Ironmen if you wanted to eliminate these matchups.
>
> > > and assuming higher seeds all take the first round the following
> > > second round matchups
> > > 1. Chain vs. Ironmen/Grit (if you make the suggested switch above)
> > > 2. Doublewide vs. Grit/Ironmen
> > > 3. Tanasi vs. Uproar
> > > 4. El Diablo vs. For the Story
>
> > > 9. Florida vs. 16th-seed
> > > 10. Black Angus vs. Riverside
> > > 11. Seuss vs. Turbodog
> > > 12. Cottonmouth vs. Vicious Cycle
>
> > > Which means that there'd only be one potential intrasection matchup in
> > > the second round as well (Angus vs. Riverside).- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I don't believe Riverside is bringing a team this year.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38415 is a reply to message #38404] Thu, 24 September 2009 06:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sem_1
Messages: 1
Registered: September 2009
Junior Member
On Sep 24, 1:17 am, A <eat_the_b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> okay, sorry I'm drunk and can't spell. still better than ulticritic or
> his various toadies. not that spelling or grammar has anything to do
> with anything. just how people perceive you, which seems to be the
> whole crux of his refs/dancing girls arguement
>
> On Sep 24, 1:12 am, A <eat_the_b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think a lot of the seeding problems stem from the lack of tourney
> > results being included on score reporter. as a member of the floride
> > section, I know most of the teams have attended several tournaments
> > outside of the region and obtained scores from teams outside of the
> > region or at least their own section, if we don't have these results
> > it makes it harder to seed regional tournaments and even late-season
> > open tournaments. On the other hand, i think teams also have the
> > opportunity ton enter their own scores in SR, which seems like the
> > best option if tds cant get their shit together, although it also
> > leaves open the option of rri inflation by misrepresenting scores in
> > self-reporting. every other similar situation in the sports world
> > seems to be able to make a ranking system based on actual results,
> > veen if it is extremely biased, wht is the solution for ultimate as we
> > know it?
>
> > On Sep 23, 4:33 pm, Thomas <tah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 21, 11:12 am, Steven Zittrower <steven.zittro...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 21, 9:09 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sep 21, 10:04 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Here we go!
>
> > > > > > So the bid breakdown is a little messed up as only 15 bids were given
> > > > > > out. Not sure who that 16th team will be and what teams will not be
> > > > > > making the drive to ATL in two weekends. This may be a little east
> > > > > > coast biased but El Diablo did have some good wins at Chesapeake this
> > > > > > year. Chain is the top seed with a head to head win over dub. 3rd year
> > > > > > in a row for DW to win the region? Damn I wish there was a third bid
> > > > > > this year...
>
> > > > > > Rankings up for debate:
>
> > > > > > 1       Chain
> > > > > > 2       Doublewide
> > > > > > 3       Tanasi
> > > > > > 4       El Diablo
> > > > > > 5       For the Story
> > > > > > 6       Grit
> > > > > > 7       Uproar
> > > > > > 8       Ironmen
> > > > > > 9       Florda
> > > > > > 10      Cottenmouth
> > > > > > 11      Black Angus
> > > > > > 12      Seuss
> > > > > > 13      Vicious Cycle
> > > > > > 14      Turbodog
> > > > > > 15      Riverside 1
> > > > > > 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
> > > > I agree with you on the first 5. I'd say Grit is a little over ranked,
> > > > switch them with Uproar. Seuss has a h2h win over Cottonmouth and BA/
> > > > Cottonmouth never played. Drop Cottonmouth below Seuss. My rankings
> > > > would look like this.
>
> > > > 1       Chain
> > > > 2       Doublewide
> > > > 3       Tanasi
> > > > 4       El Diablo
> > > > 5       For the Story
> > > > 6       Uproar
> > > > 7       Grit
> > > > 8       Ironmen
> > > > 9       Florda
> > > > 10      Black Angus
> > > > 11      Seuss
> > > > 12      Cottonmouth
> > > > 13      Vicious Cycle
> > > > 14      Turbodog
> > > > 15      Riverside 1
> > > > 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
> > > > That gives the following matchups for the first round
>
> > > > 1. Chain (East Coast) vs. Dual/Cartle/4 Horsemen/Brangus
> > > > 2. Doublewide (Texas) vs. Riverside (Texas)
> > > > 3. Tanasi (East Coast) vs. Turbodog (Gulf Coast)
> > > > 4. El Diablo (East Coast) vs. Vicious Cycle (Florida)
> > > > 5. For the Story (Florida) vs. Cottonmouth (Gulf Coast)
> > > > 6. Uproar (Florida) vs. Seuss (Texas)
> > > > 7. Grit (Texas) vs. Black Angus (Texas)
> > > > 8. Ironmen (Gulf Coast) vs. Florida (Florida)
>
> > > > This does leave two first round matchups against intrasection teams
> > > > but Doublewide and Riverside haven't played this year. You could
> > > > switch Grit and Ironmen if you wanted to eliminate these matchups.
>
> > > > and assuming higher seeds all take the first round the following
> > > > second round matchups
> > > > 1. Chain vs. Ironmen/Grit (if you make the suggested switch above)
> > > > 2. Doublewide vs. Grit/Ironmen
> > > > 3. Tanasi vs. Uproar
> > > > 4. El Diablo vs. For the Story
>
> > > > 9. Florida vs. 16th-seed
> > > > 10. Black Angus vs. Riverside
> > > > 11. Seuss vs. Turbodog
> > > > 12. Cottonmouth vs. Vicious Cycle
>
> > > > Which means that there'd only be one potential intrasection matchup in
> > > > the second round as well (Angus vs. Riverside).- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I don't believe Riverside is bringing a team this year.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

I'm sober and have a question:

If Duel gets the 16th bid, and say another team drops (say the lowest
TX team to receieve a bid), then how is it determined to whom that
dropped bid goes to?
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38416 is a reply to message #38404] Thu, 24 September 2009 06:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Leefus
Messages: 10
Registered: April 2009
Junior Member
On Sep 24, 1:17 am, A <eat_the_b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> okay, sorry I'm drunk and can't spell. still better than ulticritic or
> his various toadies. not that spelling or grammar has anything to do
> with anything. just how people perceive you, which seems to be the
> whole crux of his refs/dancing girls arguement
>
> On Sep 24, 1:12 am, A <eat_the_b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think a lot of the seeding problems stem from the lack of tourney
> > results being included on score reporter. as a member of the floride
> > section, I know most of the teams have attended several tournaments
> > outside of the region and obtained scores from teams outside of the
> > region or at least their own section, if we don't have these results
> > it makes it harder to seed regional tournaments and even late-season
> > open tournaments. On the other hand, i think teams also have the
> > opportunity ton enter their own scores in SR, which seems like the
> > best option if tds cant get their shit together, although it also
> > leaves open the option of rri inflation by misrepresenting scores in
> > self-reporting. every other similar situation in the sports world
> > seems to be able to make a ranking system based on actual results,
> > veen if it is extremely biased, wht is the solution for ultimate as we
> > know it?
>
> > On Sep 23, 4:33 pm, Thomas <tah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 21, 11:12 am, Steven Zittrower <steven.zittro...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 21, 9:09 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sep 21, 10:04 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Here we go!
>
> > > > > > So the bid breakdown is a little messed up as only 15 bids were given
> > > > > > out. Not sure who that 16th team will be and what teams will not be
> > > > > > making the drive to ATL in two weekends. This may be a little east
> > > > > > coast biased but El Diablo did have some good wins at Chesapeake this
> > > > > > year. Chain is the top seed with a head to head win over dub. 3rd year
> > > > > > in a row for DW to win the region? Damn I wish there was a third bid
> > > > > > this year...
>
> > > > > > Rankings up for debate:
>
> > > > > > 1       Chain
> > > > > > 2       Doublewide
> > > > > > 3       Tanasi
> > > > > > 4       El Diablo
> > > > > > 5       For the Story
> > > > > > 6       Grit
> > > > > > 7       Uproar
> > > > > > 8       Ironmen
> > > > > > 9       Florda
> > > > > > 10      Cottenmouth
> > > > > > 11      Black Angus
> > > > > > 12      Seuss
> > > > > > 13      Vicious Cycle
> > > > > > 14      Turbodog
> > > > > > 15      Riverside 1
> > > > > > 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
> > > > I agree with you on the first 5. I'd say Grit is a little over ranked,
> > > > switch them with Uproar. Seuss has a h2h win over Cottonmouth and BA/
> > > > Cottonmouth never played. Drop Cottonmouth below Seuss. My rankings
> > > > would look like this.
>
> > > > 1       Chain
> > > > 2       Doublewide
> > > > 3       Tanasi
> > > > 4       El Diablo
> > > > 5       For the Story
> > > > 6       Uproar
> > > > 7       Grit
> > > > 8       Ironmen
> > > > 9       Florda
> > > > 10      Black Angus
> > > > 11      Seuss
> > > > 12      Cottonmouth
> > > > 13      Vicious Cycle
> > > > 14      Turbodog
> > > > 15      Riverside 1
> > > > 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
> > > > That gives the following matchups for the first round
>
> > > > 1. Chain (East Coast) vs. Dual/Cartle/4 Horsemen/Brangus
> > > > 2. Doublewide (Texas) vs. Riverside (Texas)
> > > > 3. Tanasi (East Coast) vs. Turbodog (Gulf Coast)
> > > > 4. El Diablo (East Coast) vs. Vicious Cycle (Florida)
> > > > 5. For the Story (Florida) vs. Cottonmouth (Gulf Coast)
> > > > 6. Uproar (Florida) vs. Seuss (Texas)
> > > > 7. Grit (Texas) vs. Black Angus (Texas)
> > > > 8. Ironmen (Gulf Coast) vs. Florida (Florida)
>
> > > > This does leave two first round matchups against intrasection teams
> > > > but Doublewide and Riverside haven't played this year. You could
> > > > switch Grit and Ironmen if you wanted to eliminate these matchups.
>
> > > > and assuming higher seeds all take the first round the following
> > > > second round matchups
> > > > 1. Chain vs. Ironmen/Grit (if you make the suggested switch above)
> > > > 2. Doublewide vs. Grit/Ironmen
> > > > 3. Tanasi vs. Uproar
> > > > 4. El Diablo vs. For the Story
>
> > > > 9. Florida vs. 16th-seed
> > > > 10. Black Angus vs. Riverside
> > > > 11. Seuss vs. Turbodog
> > > > 12. Cottonmouth vs. Vicious Cycle
>
> > > > Which means that there'd only be one potential intrasection matchup in
> > > > the second round as well (Angus vs. Riverside).- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I don't believe Riverside is bringing a team this year.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

I'm sober and have a legitimate question:

If Duel gets the 16th bid and another team drops their bid (say the
lowest TX team to receive one), then how is it determined to which
team that dropped bid goes to?
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38420 is a reply to message #38416] Thu, 24 September 2009 06:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
T H
Messages: 1142
Registered: July 2009
Location: Chattanooga, TN
Senior Member
On Sep 24, 9:35 am, Leefus <leeber...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 24, 1:17 am, A <eat_the_b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > okay, sorry I'm drunk and can't spell. still better than ulticritic or
> > his various toadies. not that spelling or grammar has anything to do
> > with anything. just how people perceive you, which seems to be the
> > whole crux of his refs/dancing girls arguement
>
> > On Sep 24, 1:12 am, A <eat_the_b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I think a lot of the seeding problems stem from the lack of tourney
> > > results being included on score reporter. as a member of the floride
> > > section, I know most of the teams have attended several tournaments
> > > outside of the region and obtained scores from teams outside of the
> > > region or at least their own section, if we don't have these results
> > > it makes it harder to seed regional tournaments and even late-season
> > > open tournaments. On the other hand, i think teams also have the
> > > opportunity ton enter their own scores in SR, which seems like the
> > > best option if tds cant get their shit together, although it also
> > > leaves open the option of rri inflation by misrepresenting scores in
> > > self-reporting. every other similar situation in the sports world
> > > seems to be able to make a ranking system based on actual results,
> > > veen if it is extremely biased, wht is the solution for ultimate as we
> > > know it?
>
> > > On Sep 23, 4:33 pm, Thomas <tah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 21, 11:12 am, Steven Zittrower <steven.zittro...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sep 21, 9:09 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Sep 21, 10:04 am, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Here we go!
>
> > > > > > > So the bid breakdown is a little messed up as only 15 bids were given
> > > > > > > out. Not sure who that 16th team will be and what teams will not be
> > > > > > > making the drive to ATL in two weekends. This may be a little east
> > > > > > > coast biased but El Diablo did have some good wins at Chesapeake this
> > > > > > > year. Chain is the top seed with a head to head win over dub. 3rd year
> > > > > > > in a row for DW to win the region? Damn I wish there was a third bid
> > > > > > > this year...
>
> > > > > > > Rankings up for debate:
>
> > > > > > > 1       Chain
> > > > > > > 2       Doublewide
> > > > > > > 3       Tanasi
> > > > > > > 4       El Diablo
> > > > > > > 5       For the Story
> > > > > > > 6       Grit
> > > > > > > 7       Uproar
> > > > > > > 8       Ironmen
> > > > > > > 9       Florda
> > > > > > > 10      Cottenmouth
> > > > > > > 11      Black Angus
> > > > > > > 12      Seuss
> > > > > > > 13      Vicious Cycle
> > > > > > > 14      Turbodog
> > > > > > > 15      Riverside 1
> > > > > > > 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
> > > > > I agree with you on the first 5. I'd say Grit is a little over ranked,
> > > > > switch them with Uproar. Seuss has a h2h win over Cottonmouth and BA/
> > > > > Cottonmouth never played. Drop Cottonmouth below Seuss. My rankings
> > > > > would look like this.
>
> > > > > 1       Chain
> > > > > 2       Doublewide
> > > > > 3       Tanasi
> > > > > 4       El Diablo
> > > > > 5       For the Story
> > > > > 6       Uproar
> > > > > 7       Grit
> > > > > 8       Ironmen
> > > > > 9       Florda
> > > > > 10      Black Angus
> > > > > 11      Seuss
> > > > > 12      Cottonmouth
> > > > > 13      Vicious Cycle
> > > > > 14      Turbodog
> > > > > 15      Riverside 1
> > > > > 16      ?Dual/ Cartle/ Four Horsemen/ Red Brangus?
>
> > > > > That gives the following matchups for the first round
>
> > > > > 1. Chain (East Coast) vs. Dual/Cartle/4 Horsemen/Brangus
> > > > > 2. Doublewide (Texas) vs. Riverside (Texas)
> > > > > 3. Tanasi (East Coast) vs. Turbodog (Gulf Coast)
> > > > > 4. El Diablo (East Coast) vs. Vicious Cycle (Florida)
> > > > > 5. For the Story (Florida) vs. Cottonmouth (Gulf Coast)
> > > > > 6. Uproar (Florida) vs. Seuss (Texas)
> > > > > 7. Grit (Texas) vs. Black Angus (Texas)
> > > > > 8. Ironmen (Gulf Coast) vs. Florida (Florida)
>
> > > > > This does leave two first round matchups against intrasection teams
> > > > > but Doublewide and Riverside haven't played this year. You could
> > > > > switch Grit and Ironmen if you wanted to eliminate these matchups..
>
> > > > > and assuming higher seeds all take the first round the following
> > > > > second round matchups
> > > > > 1. Chain vs. Ironmen/Grit (if you make the suggested switch above)
> > > > > 2. Doublewide vs. Grit/Ironmen
> > > > > 3. Tanasi vs. Uproar
> > > > > 4. El Diablo vs. For the Story
>
> > > > > 9. Florida vs. 16th-seed
> > > > > 10. Black Angus vs. Riverside
> > > > > 11. Seuss vs. Turbodog
> > > > > 12. Cottonmouth vs. Vicious Cycle
>
> > > > > Which means that there'd only be one potential intrasection matchup in
> > > > > the second round as well (Angus vs. Riverside).- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > I don't believe Riverside is bringing a team this year.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> I'm sober and have a legitimate question:
>
> If Duel gets the 16th bid and another team drops their bid (say the
> lowest TX team to receive one), then how is it determined to which
> team that dropped bid goes to?

i think there are decimal numbers somewhere that are used to
determine this.
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38425 is a reply to message #38416] Thu, 24 September 2009 07:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CBrowning
Messages: 190
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
> I'm sober and have a legitimate question:
>
> If Duel gets the 16th bid and another team drops their bid (say the
> lowest TX team to receive one), then how is it determined to which
> team that dropped bid goes to?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

This link below shows how the bid allocation is supposed to work:

http://www.upa.org/club/2009_club/series_guidelines#reg
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38454 is a reply to message #38425] Thu, 24 September 2009 09:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Keith.Larsen.TX
Messages: 41
Registered: September 2008
Member
Let me start with I am not playing in the series this year but did TD
Texas2Finger.

First off, if your team doesn't have results on store reporter this is
your fault. I created the Heatout tournament on score reporter and let
reporting open and teams didn't fill in their own results. Also you
don't have to be at a tournament to fill in a match up on score
report, just put in you played "Team X" on a date to a score and we
can use that for seeding.

Incomplete results is your teams fault.

Second off, wins outside of the series are great, but loses at
sectionals are more substantial. Grit's loss to Tubgirl hurts.

Third off, last years results have to be factored in also, Grit over
Ronin and Iron Men last year should yield a higher seeding and Diablo
making Nationals MUST keep them above For the Story

Fourth, seeding should be the best ranking possible and avoiding
sectional rematches should never push a team to a lower ranking. That
being said the follow seeding only has 1 sectional rematch in the
first round (Grit vs. Angus), and no sectional rematches in quarters
if seed holds.

My seeding looks like this:
1. Chain
2. Dub
3. Tanasi
4. Diablo
5. Story
6. Grit (Swap with Uproar, if we can get some more heatout results
from Uproar...)
7. Uproar
8. Iron Men
9. Florida (better game against Tanasi than Iron Men, given historical
results I'd give Iron Men the 8... they play in the first game though)
10. Duel (Closer games with high seeds)
11. Angus (0-2 against Seuss but placed higher at sectionals
somehow...)
12. Seuss
13. Cotton (0-5 against Series teams from other sections: Grit, Seuss,
Riffraff, Tubgirl, Tanasi)
14. Vicious (Who are these guys? Doesn't seem like the historical
Vicious team...)
15. Turbo (Score reporter shows a Forfeit to Cottonmouth at
Sectionals... if this is right they won't be in Altanta)
16. Crude (rumor is the TX bid is passed down to them)

-Keith
Re: South Open Regionals [message #38468 is a reply to message #38454] Thu, 24 September 2009 11:00 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
dahamma
Messages: 88
Registered: September 2008
Member
On Sep 24, 11:40 am, Keith Larsen <keith.larsen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 15. Turbo (Score reporter shows a Forfeit to Cottonmouth at
> Sectionals... if this is right they won't be in Altanta)


Forfeit by Turbo was allowed per format rules since:
1. It was the last game of the tournament for both teams
2. Both teams were guaranteed to advance to regionals as the 2nd and
3rd in final standings
3. Neither team wished to play the game

otherwise you seem to be on firm ground in your reasoning......imo
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