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Most impressive websites? [message #2877] Wed, 15 October 2008 13:06 Go to next message
Frankie
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So this has a professional look and feel to it.

http://cultimate.com/conference1/

What are some other sites that people like? Sockeye's site doesn't do much
for me.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #2904 is a reply to message #2877] Wed, 15 October 2008 13:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jeff
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another reason to boycott Cultimate - Frank has started posting again

On Oct 15, 4:06�pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> So this has a professional look and feel to it.
>
> http://cultimate.com/conference1/
>
> What are some other sites that people like? �Sockeye's site doesn't do much
> for me.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #2907 is a reply to message #2877] Wed, 15 October 2008 13:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alex Bottiglio
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it looks "professional" because it was one big image. probably put
together in photoshop, maybe even paint.

with that said, i think that cultimate.com has a professional feel,
just needs more content.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #2935 is a reply to message #2877] Wed, 15 October 2008 14:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
appleshampoo
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On Oct 15, 1:06 pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> So this has a professional look and feel to it.
>
> http://cultimate.com/conference1/
>
> What are some other sites that people like?  Sockeye's site doesn't do much
> for me.

Are you f'in kidding? It's one giant image. Learn some HTML and CSS,
and stop discriminating against blind people.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #2942 is a reply to message #2935] Wed, 15 October 2008 14:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Frankie
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No, no, no.

I'm not talking about bells and whistles.

But if you wanted to show a stranger a couple of sites that showed Ultimate
in a favorable light (modern, contemporary, etc,) which sites would you
show. www.upa.org doesn't get it done.

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On Oct 15, 1:06 pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> So this has a professional look and feel to it.
>
> http://cultimate.com/conference1/
>
> What are some other sites that people like? Sockeye's site doesn't do much
> for me.

Are you f'in kidding? It's one giant image. Learn some HTML and CSS,
and stop discriminating against blind people.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #2950 is a reply to message #2935] Wed, 15 October 2008 15:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Keegan
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On Oct 15, 5:31 pm, appleshampoo <appleshampo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 15, 1:06 pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> > So this has a professional look and feel to it.


yes! i love websites that lead me to believe i can click on a bunch of
things and get more information! i love that not a single picture on
the website has a disc in it! I love sites that imply they already
have 25 teams committed to a brand new conference style season. i
love that it gives a ton of information about what the company is all
about. oh wait, you have to go to another website (the huddle) to get
even the most basic information. and that the conf 1 page mentions
nothing about the huddle page where you can get more information.

i dont know how you can say this has a professional look and feel to
it. it's a one page picture. personally, i like the huddle. frank
im sure you have 100 reasons why thats a terrible site. ignore the
content for a second, im curious why you think that site doesn't have
at least an equal professional look and feel?
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #2959 is a reply to message #2950] Wed, 15 October 2008 15:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Frankie
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Like I said, what single webpages are out there that make Ultimate look like
a legit sport to someone completely unaware of the game?

I completely agree that from an insider standpoint, this may not cut it but
that's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for that webpage that says
'this isn't a game played with dogs'.


"Keegan" <seanryankeegan@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 15, 5:31 pm, appleshampoo <appleshampo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 15, 1:06 pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > So this has a professional look and feel to it.
>
>
> yes! i love websites that lead me to believe i can click on a bunch of
> things and get more information! i love that not a single picture on
> the website has a disc in it! I love sites that imply they already
> have 25 teams committed to a brand new conference style season. i
> love that it gives a ton of information about what the company is all
> about. oh wait, you have to go to another website (the huddle) to get
> even the most basic information. and that the conf 1 page mentions
> nothing about the huddle page where you can get more information.
>
> i dont know how you can say this has a professional look and feel to
> it. it's a one page picture. personally, i like the huddle. frank
> im sure you have 100 reasons why thats a terrible site. ignore the
> content for a second, im curious why you think that site doesn't have
> at least an equal professional look and feel?
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #2960 is a reply to message #2935] Wed, 15 October 2008 15:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
scoop
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I love that they name one of their South Carolina tournament "South
will rise" borrowing from that favorite phrase of frustrated
confederates. Everywhere i look, signs these cultimate guys have great
judgement.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #2981 is a reply to message #2959] Wed, 15 October 2008 16:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
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On Oct 15, 3:16 pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Like I said, what single webpages are out there that make Ultimate look like
> a legit sport to someone completely unaware of the game?
>
> I completely agree that from an insider standpoint, this may not cut it but
> that's not what I'm looking for.  I'm looking for that webpage that says
> 'this isn't a game played with dogs'.

Comparing the C1 site to the UPA site is apples and oranges, since the
first is a picture, not a site. Websites have content and links, some
form of navigation, some overall feel. The C1 "site" is actually an
image, and would most accurately be compared to, e.g., the front page
of the UPA magazine. Translating the look/feel of that image into an
actually functioning site requires effort and cost.

The UPA site isn't going to win any design awards, but it's clean,
conservative and kind of par for the course for a non-profit. Given
that folks were complaining about the outlay for a logo design, I'm
not certain that sexing up the UPA site would be well-received by the
membership. It doesn't look UN-professional, so I guess everyone's
okay with it...

Ultivillage has a more Web 2.0 look, if that's what you're after.

I'd mention dischoops.com, but that doesn't really feel sporting.

~p
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #2996 is a reply to message #2981] Wed, 15 October 2008 16:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Frankie
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I'd pick UltiVillage but they have actual game footage and that could tend
to turn off investors.

Other than UltiVillage, no one has suggested a single web page that gives
Ultimate a legitimate look and feel.

What does that say about the sport?


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On Oct 15, 3:16 pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Like I said, what single webpages are out there that make Ultimate look
> like
> a legit sport to someone completely unaware of the game?
>
> I completely agree that from an insider standpoint, this may not cut it
> but
> that's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for that webpage that says
> 'this isn't a game played with dogs'.

Comparing the C1 site to the UPA site is apples and oranges, since the
first is a picture, not a site. Websites have content and links, some
form of navigation, some overall feel. The C1 "site" is actually an
image, and would most accurately be compared to, e.g., the front page
of the UPA magazine. Translating the look/feel of that image into an
actually functioning site requires effort and cost.

The UPA site isn't going to win any design awards, but it's clean,
conservative and kind of par for the course for a non-profit. Given
that folks were complaining about the outlay for a logo design, I'm
not certain that sexing up the UPA site would be well-received by the
membership. It doesn't look UN-professional, so I guess everyone's
okay with it...

Ultivillage has a more Web 2.0 look, if that's what you're after.

I'd mention dischoops.com, but that doesn't really feel sporting.

~p
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3010 is a reply to message #2996] Wed, 15 October 2008 17:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tom.Grund
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I bet it is all a big hoax. Crappy web page that is one big image.
Little to no background info. It just looks fake.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3020 is a reply to message #3010] Wed, 15 October 2008 18:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jay Schulkin
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The Sockeye website absolutely projects the attributes of a
professional sports team, even if it is somewhat out of date. They
even have sponsors and merchandise tabs. And, the design is beautiful.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3021 is a reply to message #3010] Wed, 15 October 2008 18:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jameyje
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The UPA site isn't going to win any design awards, but it's clean,
conservative and kind of par for the course for a non-profit.

Great topic. I don't agree that people are OK with the UPA site-It
sucks.
Can anyone find a roster or their current standing or a team or a
tourney or register easily?
NO!
If you go to the tourney page it starts with the beginning of the
year.
For crisp sake, how 'bout start at the current date so you can scroll
forward or backward?
How about some newer photos and maybe have them change. Flash maybe?
How about less clutter and some tabs that are categorized?
I'm not a web designer but I'm sure there are hundreds in the UPA that
would gladly modernize this mess.

Please, please, please...Fetch, add this to your platform.
J
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3027 is a reply to message #3020] Wed, 15 October 2008 18:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Frankie
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I've actually sent the Sockeye site to a VC friend.

It didn't do much for him.

Compare the sockeye site to this :http://www.sjstealth.com/index2.html (a
MLL team that loses money every year). I realize that Sockeye isn't a pro
team but the Sockeye website does not do much to legitimize Ultimate Frisbee
to an outsider.



"Jay Schulkin" <Jay.Schulkin@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> The Sockeye website absolutely projects the attributes of a
> professional sports team, even if it is somewhat out of date. They
> even have sponsors and merchandise tabs. And, the design is beautiful.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3065 is a reply to message #2877] Wed, 15 October 2008 20:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bigfish
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Though the design is now a bit stale and the content of the articles
on the home page is no longer kept current, the iteration of
newyorkultimate.com that was rolled out in 2003 was on the right
track.

On Oct 15, 4:06 pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> So this has a professional look and feel to it.
>
> http://cultimate.com/conference1/
>
> What are some other sites that people like?  Sockeye's site doesn't do much
> for me.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3072 is a reply to message #3027] Wed, 15 October 2008 21:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
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On Oct 15, 6:48 pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Compare the sockeye site to this :http://www.sjstealth.com/index2.html(a
> MLL team that loses money every year).

Okay. Let's compare.
1) Index2.html? Screams amateur web design with cut-and-paste
coding.
2) The MLL page has obviously aliased fonts, especially in the large
images that they're using for links
3) The MLL page has obviously not been tested on (and looks like crap
on) large resolution monitors.
4) Ditto OS's with "prettier" font support like MS Vista and Mac's OS
X. Basically, it looks like the site was designed in Internet
Explorer 6 on Windows 2000 and never tested elsewhere. That's
technobabble for "2001 called and wants its site back."
5) Rotating graphics and other visual distractions? Just don't do
it. I'll grant that some other "pro" sites do this too, but it's a
crappy practice that shouldn't be encouraged.
6) The stealth site has a bunch of boxes that aren't aligned with one
another, and a giant block of grey text at the bottom with nothing in
it.
7) This almost goes without saying, but the MLL site falls on its face
in non-IE browsers.
9) Not that this matters to the visitor, but a quick look at the
source code reveals that the "under the hood" wiring is just as
unprofessional as the appearance.
10) The old-school table design, the rotating graphics and the badly
hacked in-line styling combine for a cool effect where at some window
sizes, you'll get a flashing scroll bar on the right as the site
expands and contracts within and beyond your current viewport.

The Sockeye site isn't perfect either, but it gives a better first
impression, avoids more glaring mistakes on the front page, and has a
more fluid layout. The Sockeye site blows the MLL site away really,
but neither one is really a sterling example of how to do it right.
And we're cherry-picking of course - most ultimate teams don't even
have websites and those that do are usually way more home-brewed than
Sockeye's.

I know that my little review here is maybe a bit technical and might
not reflect the perspective that a suit would have, but even the suits
can recognize old, stale and busted (talking the MLL site here), even
if they can't put a finger on why.

~p
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3077 is a reply to message #3072] Wed, 15 October 2008 21:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Frankie
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Obviously you've never dealt with investors.

Do you really think they give a crap about any of the shit you point out
here?


<MrPinto@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 15, 6:48 pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Compare the sockeye site to this :http://www.sjstealth.com/index2.html(a
> MLL team that loses money every year).

Okay. Let's compare.
1) Index2.html? Screams amateur web design with cut-and-paste
coding.
2) The MLL page has obviously aliased fonts, especially in the large
images that they're using for links
3) The MLL page has obviously not been tested on (and looks like crap
on) large resolution monitors.
4) Ditto OS's with "prettier" font support like MS Vista and Mac's OS
X. Basically, it looks like the site was designed in Internet
Explorer 6 on Windows 2000 and never tested elsewhere. That's
technobabble for "2001 called and wants its site back."
5) Rotating graphics and other visual distractions? Just don't do
it. I'll grant that some other "pro" sites do this too, but it's a
crappy practice that shouldn't be encouraged.
6) The stealth site has a bunch of boxes that aren't aligned with one
another, and a giant block of grey text at the bottom with nothing in
it.
7) This almost goes without saying, but the MLL site falls on its face
in non-IE browsers.
9) Not that this matters to the visitor, but a quick look at the
source code reveals that the "under the hood" wiring is just as
unprofessional as the appearance.
10) The old-school table design, the rotating graphics and the badly
hacked in-line styling combine for a cool effect where at some window
sizes, you'll get a flashing scroll bar on the right as the site
expands and contracts within and beyond your current viewport.

The Sockeye site isn't perfect either, but it gives a better first
impression, avoids more glaring mistakes on the front page, and has a
more fluid layout. The Sockeye site blows the MLL site away really,
but neither one is really a sterling example of how to do it right.
And we're cherry-picking of course - most ultimate teams don't even
have websites and those that do are usually way more home-brewed than
Sockeye's.

I know that my little review here is maybe a bit technical and might
not reflect the perspective that a suit would have, but even the suits
can recognize old, stale and busted (talking the MLL site here), even
if they can't put a finger on why.

~p
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3081 is a reply to message #3077] Wed, 15 October 2008 21:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bobus
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Oh please. Not another episode of Mr. Pinto pwns Frank... I'd rather
watch a game of dischoops.

For the record, investors care about how much traffic and money a site
generates. And all the factors Mr. Pinto enumerated directly impact
the site's usability and by extension ability to generate eyeballs and
dollars.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3082 is a reply to message #3081] Wed, 15 October 2008 21:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Frankie
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Have you pitched professionalized disc sports to anyone in the VC community?

All I asked for was an Ultimate Frisbee website that gives the impression to
a would be investor that Ultimate is something other than being played by
dogs.

Are you telling me that the Sockeye website, in and of itself generates
significantly more traffic and money than a two-bit Lacrosse web site does?

Better yet, can you link ONE SINGLE Ultimate Frisbee website that looks
professionally done that exudes legitimacy for the sport? upa.com certainly
doesn't get it done and neither does sockeye's site.


"Bobus" <roblocke@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Oh please. Not another episode of Mr. Pinto pwns Frank... I'd rather
> watch a game of dischoops.
>
> For the record, investors care about how much traffic and money a site
> generates. And all the factors Mr. Pinto enumerated directly impact
> the site's usability and by extension ability to generate eyeballs and
> dollars.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3110 is a reply to message #3077] Thu, 16 October 2008 07:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
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On Oct 15, 9:31 pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Obviously you've never dealt with investors.

Assume away.

> Do you really think they give a crap about any of the shit you point out
> here?

Yep. They wouldn't know to use the words I use, but when shit breaks,
they notice, and they recognize lame when they see it. The worst part
is that a bunch of suits use the spiffy Mac laptops and iPhones
nowadays, which means they're viewing sites in Safari, which breaks
the old school IE6-ish stuff like that MLL site. The Sockeye site has
its issues there too, but it's way better.

As noted earlier, the UPA site isn't ground-breaking, but it's
professional and par for the non-profit course. If you want something
snazzy, you pay a couple grand to a good designer (or if your site is
big enough, a design firm and a couple grand more), and they spiff up
your shit.

Given that you chose a "single-image-as-site" (even the phishers and
spammers can manage better than that) over an actual website, it's not
clear what rubrik you're using here, but chances are that you'd be one
of those wanting to spend a lot of the site budget on design and
graphics and very little on content...

~p
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3111 is a reply to message #3082] Thu, 16 October 2008 07:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
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On Oct 15, 9:54 pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> All I asked for was an Ultimate Frisbee website that gives the impression to
> a would be investor that Ultimate is something other than being played by
> dogs.
>
> Are you telling me that the Sockeye website, in and of itself generates
> significantly more traffic and money than a two-bit Lacrosse web site does?

I like how you clearly ask one question (impression that Ultimate
isn't played by dogs) and then move the goalposts IN THE NEXT
PARAGRAPH. Content trumps design, that's what Drudge, CraigsList and
MySpace teach us. Given that the Lacrosse site has the brand of a
professional sports league and, you know, SELLS TICKETS, it seems
likely to me that they make more money. It's easier to do that when
you're selling more than just jerseys, and they could probably manage
higher revenue if you designed their site.

So, yes to the first question. There's no way that someone looks at
Sockeye's site and thinks that Ultimate is played by dogs.
No to the second, unrelated question, Sockeye's swag shop probably
does not match the revenue of a pro-league ticket window.

HTH.

~p
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3116 is a reply to message #3082] Thu, 16 October 2008 07:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bobus
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Frank,

What are you going on about?

MLL got funding because someone put together a viable business plan
premised on X dollars generated from fan attendance, corporate
sponsorship, etc. I imagine MLL.com or any other website came
afterward and had nothing to do with the decision to fund the
venture. You're putting the cart before the horse.

I will grant that the UPA and WFDF sites could steal a page from
lacrosse.org, which seems more colorful and inviting. However, I
don't think ultimate websites are holding the sport back.

Although I might make an exception for dischoops.com. Seriously. How
can you be so critical of the Sockeye site with that turd of a website
you made?

Sorry, just being frank, Frank.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3120 is a reply to message #3116] Thu, 16 October 2008 07:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Seamus
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On Oct 16, 7:21 am, Bobus <roblo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>You're putting the cart before the horse.


Wow, have we come full circle!
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3122 is a reply to message #3116] Thu, 16 October 2008 07:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Frankie
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>
> Although I might make an exception for dischoops.com. Seriously. How
> can you be so critical of the Sockeye site with that turd of a website
> you made?
>


I'm not being critical of Sockeye's site. Not at all.

My question is which site out there, when shown to a complete stranger who
knows nothing about ultimate, gives the sport a legitimate professional look
and feel?

Nobody is offering up any sites.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3124 is a reply to message #3122] Thu, 16 October 2008 07:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bigfish
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I tried recommending newyorkultimate.com, but it appears to have
gotten lost in the shuffle here. So I'll say it again...

Though the design is now a bit stale and the articles on the home page
are no longer kept as current as they could be, the iteration of
newyorkultimate.com that was rolled out in 2003 was on the right
track.

http://www.newyorkultimate.com



On Oct 16, 10:36 am, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> > Although I might make an exception for dischoops.com.  Seriously.  How
> > can you be so critical of the Sockeye site with that turd of a website
> > you made?
>
> I'm not being critical of Sockeye's site.  Not at all.
>
> My question is which site out there, when shown to a complete stranger who
> knows nothing about ultimate, gives the sport a legitimate professional look
> and feel?
>
> Nobody is offering up any sites.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3133 is a reply to message #3122] Thu, 16 October 2008 08:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
h.infectious
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On Oct 16, 10:36 am, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> My question is which site out there, when shown to a complete stranger who
> knows nothing about ultimate, gives the sport a legitimate professional look
> and feel?
>
> Nobody is offering up any sites.


Merchandise:
VC Ultimate: http://www.vcultimate.com/
Lookfly: http://www.lookfly.com/uk/
Daredevil Discs: http://www.daredevildiscs.com/
Discraft: http://www.discraft.com/home.html
Gaia: http://www.gaiacustom.ca/

Media:
The Huddle: http://www.the-huddle.org/
MSSUI: http://mssui.com/ (note: brought to you by the same team behind
cu1ltimate)
Freeheel Images (Andrew Davis): http://freeheelimages.smugmug.com/gallery/5676073_65fDi#3496 68859_z2fEo

Leagues:
Boston: http://www.buda.org/joomla/
Seattle: http://www.seattleultimate.org/
Calgary: http://calgaryultimate.org/

Teams:
Doublewide: http://www.austinultimate.org/doublewide/
Blackfish: http://www.blackfishultimate.com/

Events:
Canadian Ultimate Championships 2008: http://calgary2008.com/
World Games 2005: http://www.duisburg.de/worldgames_archiv/en/sportarten/trend sport/frisbee/default.htm
World Games 2009: http://www.worldgames2009.tw/wg2009/eng/sport6_disc.php
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3134 is a reply to message #3122] Thu, 16 October 2008 08:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bobus
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> I'm not being critical of Sockeye's site. Not at all.

I must've misunderstood when you said "Sockeye's site doesn't do much
for me."
Or when you said you couldn't find a site that says 'this isn't a game
played with dogs'. (Implying that Sockeye's site does?)


> My question is which site out there, when shown to a complete stranger who
> knows nothing about ultimate, gives the sport a legitimate professional look
> and feel?

By your standards, such a site doesn't exist. Game footage is a "turn
off". And I assume the same is true of any ultimate-related media or
content because, let's face it, the sport blows, right?


> Nobody is offering up any sites.

The real question is: why am I responding to flame bait?

Love ya Frank.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3141 is a reply to message #3124] Thu, 16 October 2008 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Frankie
Messages: 93
Registered: September 2008
Member
I did look at it.

What 'message' does it portray to a complete stranger to the game?

What 'message' should a page send if the sport of Ultimate wants to be taken
seriously?

I think that newyorkultimate gives a sense of obscurity but then again, none
of these sites were explicitly designed to sell ultimate to strangers
(except may the upa site which if that was the case, I'm sure we can all
agree it came up woefully short).


"bigfish" <brutvan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:531fef61-f19c-4755-9cef-5891a95e7cb1@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
I tried recommending newyorkultimate.com, but it appears to have
gotten lost in the shuffle here. So I'll say it again...

Though the design is now a bit stale and the articles on the home page
are no longer kept as current as they could be, the iteration of
newyorkultimate.com that was rolled out in 2003 was on the right
track.

http://www.newyorkultimate.com



On Oct 16, 10:36 am, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> > Although I might make an exception for dischoops.com. Seriously. How
> > can you be so critical of the Sockeye site with that turd of a website
> > you made?
>
> I'm not being critical of Sockeye's site. Not at all.
>
> My question is which site out there, when shown to a complete stranger who
> knows nothing about ultimate, gives the sport a legitimate professional
> look
> and feel?
>
> Nobody is offering up any sites.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3142 is a reply to message #2877] Thu, 16 October 2008 08:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Johnson
Messages: 174
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Oct 15, 3:06 pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> So this has a professional look and feel to it.
>
> http://cultimate.com/conference1/
>
> What are some other sites that people like?  Sockeye's site doesn't do much
> for me.

http://gnarwhal.net/

If the sheGnarnigans page isn't professional, I don't know what is.

It's still being made. With the current economic crisis, we couldn't
farm it out to India, and Americans suck at coding websites, but you
can imagine when it's done it's going to be the best thing ever.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3158 is a reply to message #3141] Thu, 16 October 2008 09:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bigfish
Messages: 6
Registered: October 2008
Junior Member
When newyorkultimate.com was redesigned in 2003, the message that was
aimed for was simply "New York is better than you."

But the "right track" that I was referring to was the depth of the
site: the history, the player profiles, past results, current news
articles, media (photos and video), etc. In recent years, I have
considered converting newyorkultimate.com into a site that would
encompass all of the teams in New York and not just the lineage and
ancestry of NYNY. The home page would be converted to present
ultimate more in the fashion that you are looking for (boom, pow,
pizzaz) and allow visitors to access all New York based teams and find
info about players, past and present.

Essentially, it would be great to take the tools that are currently
being used to power the site for this one team called New York
Ultimate and allow all New York based teams to use them. The site
would wrap all the teams up and deliver them in a consistent fashion.
Think MLB.COM and all the sites for the MLB teams. They all
intertwine.

This is a step that I think the UPA should take for teams
participating in the UPA series. Of course, it would take buy in by
those teams. I know the UPA is partially there with this idea, but
the current delivery of team data is crude. It's also fairly
impossible to find team info and rosters.


On Oct 16, 11:42 am, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> I did look at it.
>
> What 'message' does it portray to a complete stranger to the game?
>
> What 'message' should a page send if the sport of Ultimate wants to be taken
> seriously?
>
> I think that newyorkultimate gives a sense of obscurity but then again, none
> of these sites were explicitly designed to sell ultimate to strangers
> (except may the upa site which if that was the case, I'm sure we can all
> agree it came up woefully short).
>
> "bigfish" <brut...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:531fef61-f19c-4755-9cef-5891a95e7cb1@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> I tried recommending newyorkultimate.com, but it appears to have
> gotten lost in the shuffle here.  So I'll say it again...
>
> Though the design is now a bit stale and the articles on the home page
> are no longer kept as current as they could be, the iteration of
> newyorkultimate.com that was rolled out in 2003 was on the right
> track.
>
> http://www.newyorkultimate.com
>
> On Oct 16, 10:36 am, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> > > Although I might make an exception for dischoops.com. Seriously. How
> > > can you be so critical of the Sockeye site with that turd of a website
> > > you made?
>
> > I'm not being critical of Sockeye's site. Not at all.
>
> > My question is which site out there, when shown to a complete stranger who
> > knows nothing about ultimate, gives the sport a legitimate professional
> > look
> > and feel?
>
> > Nobody is offering up any sites.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3174 is a reply to message #2877] Thu, 16 October 2008 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Richey
Messages: 32
Registered: October 2008
Member
I have to agree that http://calgary2008.com/ is a has a pretty nice
site.

JRichey
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3179 is a reply to message #3141] Thu, 16 October 2008 10:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alex Bottiglio
Messages: 9
Registered: September 2008
Junior Member
i dont care about the color scheme or logos. just having a site where
people can watch elite level ultimate clips would be enough to
appropriately represent the sport... everything else is just out of
context.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3182 is a reply to message #3174] Thu, 16 October 2008 11:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Frankie
Messages: 93
Registered: September 2008
Member
Thank you.

I'd have to agree with you that this is one of the better ones I've seen.

However, that is still not saying much and the opening photograph with the
two kids in green really makes me squint to see the dogs in the background..


"Richey" <John.Richey@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:557c85cc-531f-4d9f-a5fb-87ae2e8a2abb@p58g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> I have to agree that http://calgary2008.com/ is a has a pretty nice
> site.
>
> JRichey
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3184 is a reply to message #3179] Thu, 16 October 2008 11:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alex Morrone
Messages: 113
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Oct 16, 2:01 pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> No fucking way.
>
> UltiVillage already has that and the sport looks like a joke in those clips
> to outsiders.
>

Shouldn't you be campaigning or selling tomatoes? I challenge you to
show me one, just ONE good clip of dischoops...

I might as well tell you to chop down the tallest tree in the woods
with .... A Herring!
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3194 is a reply to message #2877] Thu, 16 October 2008 11:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Buck
Messages: 54
Registered: September 2008
Member
On Oct 15, 1:06 pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> So this has a professional look and feel to it.
>
> http://cultimate.com/conference1/
>
> What are some other sites that people like?  Sockeye's site doesn't do much
> for me.

here's a good website for you.

www.zyprexa.com

it should meet every criteria you're looking for.
thank me later.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3197 is a reply to message #3133] Thu, 16 October 2008 11:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Frankie
Messages: 93
Registered: September 2008
Member
Thank you very much.

This was all I was asking for.


<h.infectious@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d78f1c13-9c52-4f23-97a7-32026b5e6a97@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 16, 10:36 am, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> My question is which site out there, when shown to a complete stranger
>> who
>> knows nothing about ultimate, gives the sport a legitimate professional
>> look
>> and feel?
>>
>> Nobody is offering up any sites.
>
>
> Merchandise:
> VC Ultimate: http://www.vcultimate.com/
> Lookfly: http://www.lookfly.com/uk/
> Daredevil Discs: http://www.daredevildiscs.com/
> Discraft: http://www.discraft.com/home.html
> Gaia: http://www.gaiacustom.ca/
>
> Media:
> The Huddle: http://www.the-huddle.org/
> MSSUI: http://mssui.com/ (note: brought to you by the same team behind
> cu1ltimate)
> Freeheel Images (Andrew Davis):
> http://freeheelimages.smugmug.com/gallery/5676073_65fDi#3496 68859_z2fEo
>
> Leagues:
> Boston: http://www.buda.org/joomla/
> Seattle: http://www.seattleultimate.org/
> Calgary: http://calgaryultimate.org/
>
> Teams:
> Doublewide: http://www.austinultimate.org/doublewide/
> Blackfish: http://www.blackfishultimate.com/
>
> Events:
> Canadian Ultimate Championships 2008: http://calgary2008.com/
> World Games 2005:
> http://www.duisburg.de/worldgames_archiv/en/sportarten/trend sport/frisbee/default.htm
> World Games 2009: http://www.worldgames2009.tw/wg2009/eng/sport6_disc.php
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3211 is a reply to message #3134] Thu, 16 October 2008 12:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Frankie
Messages: 93
Registered: September 2008
Member
Like I said, so far the winner is VC Ultimate.

I wasn't baiting anyone, I had in my mind what I was looking for and asking
for people's suggestions.

Any others?

I mean, Sockeye's isn't bad and I did pass it along to a friend but it
doesn't exactly blow people over.


"Bobus" <roblocke@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c0d988b0-eb5f-4a3c-a0b9-4f0639c69052@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
>> I'm not being critical of Sockeye's site. Not at all.
>
> I must've misunderstood when you said "Sockeye's site doesn't do much
> for me."
> Or when you said you couldn't find a site that says 'this isn't a game
> played with dogs'. (Implying that Sockeye's site does?)
>
>
>> My question is which site out there, when shown to a complete stranger
>> who
>> knows nothing about ultimate, gives the sport a legitimate professional
>> look
>> and feel?
>
> By your standards, such a site doesn't exist. Game footage is a "turn
> off". And I assume the same is true of any ultimate-related media or
> content because, let's face it, the sport blows, right?
>
>
>> Nobody is offering up any sites.
>
> The real question is: why am I responding to flame bait?
>
> Love ya Frank.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3212 is a reply to message #3158] Thu, 16 October 2008 12:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Frankie
Messages: 93
Registered: September 2008
Member
So far, for me, the big winner (in what I'm looking for) is VC Ultimate.com

The Huddle isn't bad.


"bigfish" <brutvan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fb01081d-587c-44a8-9fe9-03213ddf37ee@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
When newyorkultimate.com was redesigned in 2003, the message that was
aimed for was simply "New York is better than you."

But the "right track" that I was referring to was the depth of the
site: the history, the player profiles, past results, current news
articles, media (photos and video), etc. In recent years, I have
considered converting newyorkultimate.com into a site that would
encompass all of the teams in New York and not just the lineage and
ancestry of NYNY. The home page would be converted to present
ultimate more in the fashion that you are looking for (boom, pow,
pizzaz) and allow visitors to access all New York based teams and find
info about players, past and present.

Essentially, it would be great to take the tools that are currently
being used to power the site for this one team called New York
Ultimate and allow all New York based teams to use them. The site
would wrap all the teams up and deliver them in a consistent fashion.
Think MLB.COM and all the sites for the MLB teams. They all
intertwine.

This is a step that I think the UPA should take for teams
participating in the UPA series. Of course, it would take buy in by
those teams. I know the UPA is partially there with this idea, but
the current delivery of team data is crude. It's also fairly
impossible to find team info and rosters.


On Oct 16, 11:42 am, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> I did look at it.
>
> What 'message' does it portray to a complete stranger to the game?
>
> What 'message' should a page send if the sport of Ultimate wants to be
> taken
> seriously?
>
> I think that newyorkultimate gives a sense of obscurity but then again,
> none
> of these sites were explicitly designed to sell ultimate to strangers
> (except may the upa site which if that was the case, I'm sure we can all
> agree it came up woefully short).
>
> "bigfish" <brut...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:531fef61-f19c-4755-9cef-5891a95e7cb1@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> I tried recommending newyorkultimate.com, but it appears to have
> gotten lost in the shuffle here. So I'll say it again...
>
> Though the design is now a bit stale and the articles on the home page
> are no longer kept as current as they could be, the iteration of
> newyorkultimate.com that was rolled out in 2003 was on the right
> track.
>
> http://www.newyorkultimate.com
>
> On Oct 16, 10:36 am, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> > > Although I might make an exception for dischoops.com. Seriously. How
> > > can you be so critical of the Sockeye site with that turd of a website
> > > you made?
>
> > I'm not being critical of Sockeye's site. Not at all.
>
> > My question is which site out there, when shown to a complete stranger
> > who
> > knows nothing about ultimate, gives the sport a legitimate professional
> > look
> > and feel?
>
> > Nobody is offering up any sites.
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3214 is a reply to message #3212] Thu, 16 October 2008 12:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alex Morrone
Messages: 113
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
Still waiting on that awesome clip of dischoops Frank
Re: Most impressive websites? [message #3216 is a reply to message #3211] Thu, 16 October 2008 12:26 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Adam Dyer
Messages: 54
Registered: October 2008
Member
On Oct 16, 3:20 pm, "Frankie" <billy_berrou(no_spam)@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Like I said, so far the winner is VC Ultimate.
>
> I wasn't baiting anyone, I had in my mind what I was looking for and asking
> for people's suggestions.
>
> Any others?
>
> I mean, Sockeye's isn't bad and I did pass it along to a friend but it
> doesn't exactly blow people over.
>
> "Bobus" <roblo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c0d988b0-eb5f-4a3c-a0b9-4f0639c69052@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> I'm not being critical of Sockeye's site.  Not at all.
>
> > I must've misunderstood when you said "Sockeye's site doesn't do much
> > for me."
> > Or when you said you couldn't find a site that says 'this isn't a game
> > played with dogs'.  (Implying that Sockeye's site does?)
>
> >> My question is which site out there, when shown to a complete stranger
> >> who
> >> knows nothing about ultimate, gives the sport a legitimate professional
> >> look
> >> and feel?
>
> > By your standards, such a site doesn't exist.  Game footage is a "turn
> > off".  And I assume the same is true of any ultimate-related media or
> > content because, let's face it, the sport blows, right?
>
> >> Nobody is offering up any sites.
>
> > The real question is: why am I responding to flame bait?
>
> > Love ya Frank.

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</head>

<body>
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