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Seamen vs. EGO [message #22839] Mon, 04 May 2009 10:05 Go to next message
ckerr4
Messages: 281
Registered: January 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC
Senior Member
Toad, Ed, Gerics, and other early 90's Seamen players:

You guys are just cracking me up with these series of posts scolding
EGO.

As Wagonseller wrote, "hypocrisy rules", but some of this goes beyond
run of the mill hypocrisy. Maybe you guys have truly forgotten what
those early '90s UNC-W teams were like. To coin a phrase, I'll call it
"pharmacologically accelerated memory loss" or PAML for short.

As a coach of a rival team, I was a few years older than the players
involved, and I might be suffering from regular old memory loss, but I
still recall a good deal of these years...

And from what I remember, the UNC-W team and College Easterns were a
rolling series of "death penalty" events. The fact that the Seamen
were never suspended and you were able to fight your way into
Nationals each year was either due to (a) you all had incriminating
photos on key Wilmington facility members, or more likely (b) pure
dumb luck and a administration that didn't give a crap about what the
club ultimate team was up to.

One bad break, one UNC-W Neidermeyer, and you'd have been a small
footnote instead of college champions.

And, as I remember, that goes for ECU too.

Fortunately we played in a pre-web world, and maybe school
administrators had a more latitude in terms of letting stuff go
figuring they wouldn't have to worry about Google News picking up
every little embarrassment.

So look my PAML friends, the Seamen or Irates could have been banned
for a season after any one of hundreds of transgressions, and it would
have sucked for the sport -- just as losing EGO for this year sucks
for the sport.

I really don't see any difference, except that the EGO guys are 20,
and the Seamen guys are, now, 40.

Charles
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22846 is a reply to message #22839] Mon, 04 May 2009 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
Messages: 8204
Registered: April 2009
Senior Member
On May 4, 1:05 pm, ckerr4 <chaske...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Toad, Ed, Gerics, and other early 90's Seamen players:
>
> You guys are just cracking me up with these series of posts scolding
> EGO.
>
> As Wagonseller wrote, "hypocrisy rules", but some of this goes beyond
> run of the mill hypocrisy. Maybe you guys have truly forgotten what
> those early '90s UNC-W teams were like. To coin a phrase, I'll call it
> "pharmacologically accelerated memory loss" or PAML for short.


please refresh our memory chuck! what were we like? and how would
you know? did you ever play us? I do know there were many club teams
that didnt like us because we didn take any of their bullshit and they
didnt like gettin shown up by noob college kids. were you on one of
those teams or somthing?
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------
>
> As a coach of a rival team, I was a few years older than the players
> involved, and I might be suffering from regular old memory loss, but I
> still recall a good deal of these years...
>
> And from what I remember, the UNC-W team and College Easterns were a
> rolling series of "death penalty" events. The fact that the Seamen
> were never suspended and you were able to fight your way into
> Nationals each year was either due to (a) you all had incriminating
> photos on key Wilmington facility members, or more likely (b) pure
> dumb luck and a administration that didn't give a crap about what the
> club ultimate team was up to.

what were we up to? as far as i remember the sga loved us.
------------------------------------------------------------ -----------
>
> One bad break, one UNC-W Neidermeyer, and you'd have been a small
> footnote instead of college champions.

how in the fuck do you figure that shit? and for the record, there
were many of us that would quit burning during the season? your
completely full of shit charlie.............and you are gonna get
severly "piled on" on this thread, trust that. Its gonna be like
sharks in a blood bath i tells a......and you chuck, are gonna be the
chummmmmmmm............"P".
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------
>
> And, as I remember, that goes for ECU too.

see now, its all relitive. to pussies we might have seemed edgy, but
we were acting like your basic, normal athletes.
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------
>
> Fortunately we played in a pre-web world, and maybe school
> administrators had a more latitude in terms of letting stuff go


WHAT STUFF DID THE UNCW ADMIN "LET GO"........YOU ARE TALKIN OUT YOUR
ASS MAN!
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------
> figuring they wouldn't have to worry about Google News picking up
> every little embarrassment.

so your another one that feels that the university is actually
embarassed by the publicity moreso that the act? your ate up bro.
------------------------------------------------------------ -
>
> So look my PAML friends, the Seamen or Irates could have been banned
> for a season after any one of hundreds of transgressions,


MAME 3........and you are really starting to piss me off
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22848 is a reply to message #22846] Mon, 04 May 2009 10:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ckerr4
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Don't get me wrong: The UNC-W team was cool.

But you were very lucky.

Charles
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22856 is a reply to message #22848] Mon, 04 May 2009 10:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On May 4, 1:28 pm, ckerr4 <chaske...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't get me wrong: The UNC-W team was cool.
>
> But you were very lucky.
>
> Charles

I love you chuck......you made accusations!!!!!

NOW BACK EM THE FUCK UP.

How were we "lucky"??????????
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22857 is a reply to message #22839] Mon, 04 May 2009 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wagenwheel
Messages: 323
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On May 4, 1:05 pm, ckerr4 <chaske...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Toad, Ed, Gerics, and other early 90's Seamen players:
>
> You guys are just cracking me up with these series of posts scolding
> EGO.
>
> As Wagonseller wrote, "hypocrisy rules", but some of this goes beyond
> run of the mill hypocrisy. Maybe you guys have truly forgotten what
> those early '90s UNC-W teams were like. To coin a phrase, I'll call it
> "pharmacologically accelerated memory loss" or PAML for short.
>
> As a coach of a rival team, I was a few years older than the players
> involved, and I might be suffering from regular old memory loss, but I
> still recall a good deal of these years...
>
> And from what I remember, the UNC-W team and College Easterns were a
> rolling series of "death penalty" events. The fact that the Seamen
> were never suspended and you were able to fight your way into
> Nationals each year was either due to (a) you all had incriminating
> photos on key Wilmington facility members, or more likely (b) pure
> dumb luck and a administration that didn't give a crap about what the
> club ultimate team was up to.
>
> One bad break, one UNC-W Neidermeyer, and you'd have been a small
> footnote instead of college champions.
>
> And, as I remember, that goes for ECU too.
>
> Fortunately we played in a pre-web world, and maybe school
> administrators had a more latitude in terms of letting stuff go
> figuring they wouldn't have to worry about Google News picking up
> every little embarrassment.
>
> So look my PAML friends, the Seamen or Irates could have been banned
> for a season after any one of hundreds of transgressions, and it would
> have sucked for the sport -- just as losing EGO for this year sucks
> for the sport.
>
> I really don't see any difference, except that the EGO guys are 20,
> and the Seamen guys are, now, 40.
>
> Charles

Charles, you have your years confused.

I graduated in 1992. Attended graduate school from 1992-1995, and
resumed to club play where I captained the the #1 team in the region
in back to back years, the adord and hated Port City Slickers.

Any nonsense that happened between 1992 and beyond was not on my watch
or during my playing tenure. The seamen team I played for played with
integrity, grit, and honesty. Simply ask any of our opponents
including the Cornell Buds of 92' whom we beat in a highly competitive
finals at Easterns in front of throngs of home fans. The Linkfield
backflip spike incident occurred in response to a front flip by a Buds
team member. They then beat us Nationals. 1 year prior they had us
like 10-2 in pool play at nationals in Wisconson, only to lose like
15-11. Great rivalry, and a team I have great respect for.

I for one never remember playing State, Duke, Carolina or any triangle
related team in which you might have coached. ECU was our only
opponent in our region that could score more than 7 points against us
from 1990-1993.

Yeah, we spiked the disc. We talked a fair amount of trash if the
opponents decided that is how they wanted to play. Punches were never
thrown, not even a shove during my time. Although I did run off a
member of a club DC squad with a folding chair as he continually
harrassed me on the sideline, and I'd do it again. I felt threatened
and defended myself. Nobody messed with after that. Funny how that
works.

Our goal was to win and have fun doing it. Which we did
successfully.

We played with clothes on. UNCW did win the college championship.
The chancellor came out to our tournaments. The SGA gave us extra
money. We never had one infraction with UNCW during my time. Rugby
did, The Football Club lost their membership for alcohol related
offenses. We were smart, we were good. We are the seamen. Loved by
many, hated by most, because an L was coming their way.
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22860 is a reply to message #22857] Mon, 04 May 2009 10:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
Messages: 8204
Registered: April 2009
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On May 4, 1:34 pm, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>  1 year prior they had us
> like 10-2 in pool play at nationals in Wisconson, only to lose like
> 15-11.

that was semis, wasnt it?
-------------------------------------------------

>
> I for one never remember playing State, Duke, Carolina or any triangle
> related team in which you might have coached.

in 90 we played carolina at sectionals (i thing they had augie
then......but still sucked). dont remember kerr being a part of
it.....or anything relevent ultimatewise for that matter.
------------------------------------------------------------ ---


 ECU was our only
> opponent in our region that could score more than 7 points against us
> from 1990-1993.

maybe thats why he lumped us together and slandered us both........as
bottom of the barrel "playa haters" often do.
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------
>
> Yeah, we spiked the disc.

but not near as much as they do today
-----------------------------------------



 We talked a fair amount of trash if the
> opponents decided that is how they wanted to play.

is trash talking against any upa policies? didnt a guy at nationals
(from bravo ironically) spike a disc on someone in a nationals
semis???? and didnt it go unpunished? youde think THAT would be more
of a conduct policy offense than mearly spiking it on the ground,
right?
------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------



 Punches were never
> thrown, not even a shove during my time. Although I did run off a
> member of a club DC squad with a folding chair as he continually
> harrassed me on the sideline, and I'd do it again. I felt threatened
> and defended myself.  Nobody messed with after that.  Funny how that
> works.

that damn "brown bean pole"!!!!!!!
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Our goal was to win and have fun doing it.  Which we did
> successfully.
>
> We played with clothes on.  UNCW did win the college championship.
> The chancellor came out to our tournaments.  The SGA gave us extra
> money.  We never had one infraction with UNCW during my time.  Rugby
> did, The Football Club lost their membership for alcohol related
> offenses.  We were smart, we were good.  We are the seamen.  Loved by
> many, hated by most, because an L was coming their way

fuckin a........SO WHERE IS ALL THIS SHIT COMMIN FROM CHARLIE. man
you are gonna get pounded on this one.
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22865 is a reply to message #22857] Mon, 04 May 2009 10:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On May 4, 10:34 am, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:

> Yeah, we spiked the disc. We talked a fair amount of trash if the
> opponents decided that is how they wanted to play. Punches were never
> thrown, not even a shove during my time. Although I did run off a
> member of a club DC squad with a folding chair as he continually
> harrassed me on the sideline, and I'd do it again. I felt threatened
> and defended myself. Nobody messed with after that. Funny how that
> works.

Before you assume this is just another "I attack you, then you attack
me" post, let me try to communicate with you. As you graciously
admitted (no dig), you ran off someone because they harassed you from
the sideline. Is there any way you might understand that is exactly
what the NC teams did to their opponents and even spectators (I
experienced it at a Stanford Invite about 10 years ago). Their
harassment/taunting of their opponents was horrible IMO. [Note: I
don't remember them ever throwing a punch or not adhering to the
rules.]
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22897 is a reply to message #22839] Mon, 04 May 2009 13:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
predator5105
Messages: 13
Registered: January 2009
Junior Member
On May 4, 1:05 pm, ckerr4 <chaske...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Toad, Ed, Gerics, and other early 90's Seamen players:
>
> You guys are just cracking me up with these series of posts scolding
> EGO.
>
> As Wagonseller wrote, "hypocrisy rules", but some of this goes beyond
> run of the mill hypocrisy. Maybe you guys have truly forgotten what
> those early '90s UNC-W teams were like. To coin a phrase, I'll call it
> "pharmacologically accelerated memory loss" or PAML for short.
>
> As a coach of a rival team, I was a few years older than the players
> involved, and I might be suffering from regular old memory loss, but I
> still recall a good deal of these years...
>
> And from what I remember, the UNC-W team and College Easterns were a
> rolling series of "death penalty" events. The fact that the Seamen
> were never suspended and you were able to fight your way into
> Nationals each year was either due to (a) you all had incriminating
> photos on key Wilmington facility members, or more likely (b) pure
> dumb luck and a administration that didn't give a crap about what the
> club ultimate team was up to.
>
> One bad break, one UNC-W Neidermeyer, and you'd have been a small
> footnote instead of college champions.
>
> And, as I remember, that goes for ECU too.
>
> Fortunately we played in a pre-web world, and maybe school
> administrators had a more latitude in terms of letting stuff go
> figuring they wouldn't have to worry about Google News picking up
> every little embarrassment.
>
> So look my PAML friends, the Seamen or Irates could have been banned
> for a season after any one of hundreds of transgressions, and it would
> have sucked for the sport -- just as losing EGO for this year sucks
> for the sport.
>
> I really don't see any difference, except that the EGO guys are 20,
> and the Seamen guys are, now, 40.
>
> Charles

I am interested in knowing what the Seamen did back in the day that
was comparable to playing naked?
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22900 is a reply to message #22839] Mon, 04 May 2009 13:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
Messages: 8115
Registered: October 2008
Senior Member
> You guys are just cracking me up with these series of posts scolding
> EGO.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---did i scold EGO?
i think naked ultimate is queer...but i don't think i scolded them.
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22901 is a reply to message #22839] Mon, 04 May 2009 13:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
Messages: 8115
Registered: October 2008
Senior Member
> As Wagonseller wrote, "hypocrisy rules", but some of this goes beyond
> run of the mill hypocrisy. Maybe you guys have truly forgotten what
> those early '90s UNC-W teams were like. To coin a phrase, I'll call it
> "pharmacologically accelerated memory loss" or PAML for short.
>
> As a coach of a rival team, I was a few years older than the players
> involved, and I might be suffering from regular old memory loss, but I
> still recall a good deal of these years...
>
> And from what I remember, the UNC-W team and College Easterns were a
> rolling series of "death penalty" events. The fact that the Seamen
> were never suspended and you were able to fight your way into
> Nationals each year was either due to (a) you all had incriminating
> photos on key Wilmington facility members, or more likely (b) pure
> dumb luck and a administration that didn't give a crap about what the
> club ultimate team was up to.
>
> One bad break, one UNC-W Neidermeyer, and you'd have been a small
> footnote instead of college champions.
>
> And, as I remember, that goes for ECU too.
>
> Fortunately we played in a pre-web world, and maybe school
> administrators had a more latitude in terms of letting stuff go
> figuring they wouldn't have to worry about Google News picking up
> every little embarrassment.
>
> So look my PAML friends, the Seamen or Irates could have been banned
> for a season after any one of hundreds of transgressions, and it would
> have sucked for the sport -- just as losing EGO for this year sucks
> for the sport.
>
> I really don't see any difference, except that the EGO guys are 20,
> and the Seamen guys are, now, 40.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--Charles...i KNOW that you are fucking kidding around.....
i can't even pretend to picture what the Seamen or Irates ever could
have done to get suspended for a season.....
sincerely
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22902 is a reply to message #22857] Mon, 04 May 2009 13:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Douglas T Lilley
Messages: 674
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
 We were smart, we were good.  We are the seamen.  Loved by
> many, hated by most, because an L was coming their way.-

And we were so full of ourselves that people still think we sound like
douchebags. And we apologize for being the biggest cheaters in
Ultimate for a few years but we love refs now, so it's all good, And,
most important of all, I had nothing to do with any nasty behavior
that I had nothing to do with. It was all somebody else's fault.
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22903 is a reply to message #22897] Mon, 04 May 2009 13:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
Messages: 8115
Registered: October 2008
Senior Member
> I am interested in knowing what the Seamen did back in the day that
> was comparable to playing naked?-
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--after practice...i would go home and take a shower....most often
with no clothes on....
that's about as close as i can remember
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22907 is a reply to message #22897] Mon, 04 May 2009 14:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
Messages: 8204
Registered: April 2009
Senior Member
On May 4, 4:34 pm, predator5...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On May 4, 1:05 pm, ckerr4 <chaske...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Toad, Ed, Gerics, and other early 90's Seamen players:
>
> > You guys are just cracking me up with these series of posts scolding
> > EGO.
>
> > As Wagonseller wrote, "hypocrisy rules", but some of this goes beyond
> > run of the mill hypocrisy. Maybe you guys have truly forgotten what
> > those early '90s UNC-W teams were like. To coin a phrase, I'll call it
> > "pharmacologically accelerated memory loss" or PAML for short.
>
> > As a coach of a rival team, I was a few years older than the players
> > involved, and I might be suffering from regular old memory loss, but I
> > still recall a good deal of these years...
>
> > And from what I remember, the UNC-W team and College Easterns were a
> > rolling series of "death penalty" events. The fact that the Seamen
> > were never suspended and you were able to fight your way into
> > Nationals each year was either due to (a) you all had incriminating
> > photos on key Wilmington facility members, or more likely (b) pure
> > dumb luck and a administration that didn't give a crap about what the
> > club ultimate team was up to.
>
> > One bad break, one UNC-W Neidermeyer, and you'd have been a small
> > footnote instead of college champions.
>
> > And, as I remember, that goes for ECU too.
>
> > Fortunately we played in a pre-web world, and maybe school
> > administrators had a more latitude in terms of letting stuff go
> > figuring they wouldn't have to worry about Google News picking up
> > every little embarrassment.
>
> > So look my PAML friends, the Seamen or Irates could have been banned
> > for a season after any one of hundreds of transgressions, and it would
> > have sucked for the sport -- just as losing EGO for this year sucks
> > for the sport.
>
> > I really don't see any difference, except that the EGO guys are 20,
> > and the Seamen guys are, now, 40.
>
> > Charles
>
> I am interested in knowing what the Seamen did back in the day that
> was comparable to playing naked?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

me too
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22908 is a reply to message #22865] Mon, 04 May 2009 14:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jim
Messages: 114
Registered: November 2008
Senior Member
On May 4, 1:59 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 10:34 am, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, we spiked the disc.  We talked a fair amount of trash if the
> > opponents decided that is how they wanted to play.  Punches were never
> > thrown, not even a shove during my time. Although I did run off a
> > member of a club DC squad with a folding chair as he continually
> > harrassed me on the sideline, and I'd do it again. I felt threatened
> > and defended myself.  Nobody messed with after that.  Funny how that
> > works.
>
> Before you assume this is just another "I attack you, then you attack
> me" post, let me try to communicate with you. As you graciously
> admitted (no dig), you ran off someone because they harassed you from
> the sideline. Is there any way you might understand that is exactly
> what the NC teams did to their opponents and even spectators (I
> experienced it at a Stanford Invite about 10 years ago). Their
> harassment/taunting of their opponents was horrible IMO. [Note: I
> don't remember them ever throwing a punch or not adhering to the
> rules.]

And how is any of what you wrote similar to playing naked?...cause
they yelled?
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22911 is a reply to message #22908] Mon, 04 May 2009 14:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On May 4, 2:33 pm, rover...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On May 4, 1:59 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 4, 10:34 am, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yeah, we spiked the disc.  We talked a fair amount of trash if the
> > > opponents decided that is how they wanted to play.  Punches were never
> > > thrown, not even a shove during my time. Although I did run off a
> > > member of a club DC squad with a folding chair as he continually
> > > harrassed me on the sideline, and I'd do it again. I felt threatened
> > > and defended myself.  Nobody messed with after that.  Funny how that
> > > works.
>
> > Before you assume this is just another "I attack you, then you attack
> > me" post, let me try to communicate with you. As you graciously
> > admitted (no dig), you ran off someone because they harassed you from
> > the sideline. Is there any way you might understand that is exactly
> > what the NC teams did to their opponents and even spectators (I
> > experienced it at a Stanford Invite about 10 years ago). Their
> > harassment/taunting of their opponents was horrible IMO. [Note: I
> > don't remember them ever throwing a punch or not adhering to the
> > rules.]
>
> And how is any of what you wrote similar to playing naked?...cause
> they yelled?

Seeing them play naked would definitely be worse than either a punch
or spit.
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22913 is a reply to message #22865] Mon, 04 May 2009 14:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wagenwheel
Messages: 323
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On May 4, 1:59 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 10:34 am, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, we spiked the disc.  We talked a fair amount of trash if the
> > opponents decided that is how they wanted to play.  Punches were never
> > thrown, not even a shove during my time. Although I did run off a
> > member of a club DC squad with a folding chair as he continually
> > harrassed me on the sideline, and I'd do it again. I felt threatened
> > and defended myself.  Nobody messed with after that.  Funny how that
> > works.
>
> Before you assume this is just another "I attack you, then you attack
> me" post, let me try to communicate with you. As you graciously
> admitted (no dig), you ran off someone because they harassed you from
> the sideline. Is there any way you might understand that is exactly
> what the NC teams did to their opponents and even spectators (I
> experienced it at a Stanford Invite about 10 years ago). Their
> harassment/taunting of their opponents was horrible IMO. [Note: I
> don't remember them ever throwing a punch or not adhering to the
> rules.]

I see your point and it is valid. But the particular instance was of
a player in his late twenties, early thirties, following me
(age 19) around on the sideline calling me junior over and over. At
that point i picked up a folding camping chair and screamed "who are
you man?" while forcing him backwards with said chair. This attracted
enough attention to gather my teammates around and separate the two of
us. So let's put that one aside as a special circumstance.

Now, as far as sideline control, yeah we pretty much dominated the
sidelines. I had a rule that I would never walk behind another player
or spectator on the sideline. I would always walk in front. As I
came near they would back off. My focus was on my team, until a
player from the opposing team or sideline demanded my attention, then
my focus would briefly move to that target until I was sufficiently
satisfied, then back to supporting my team. If I was incessantly
heckled by the sideline, I would talk back. If it was effecting my
play, I used their energy for the next D or O play, then talk to em
and see what they had to say.

I used some psychological warfare, no doubt. But I never called
anybody's mother a name or said anything about their sister. Frankly
parents belonged in an area where the team isn't. Endzone, but not on
the team's sideline.
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22918 is a reply to message #22902] Mon, 04 May 2009 15:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wagenwheel
Messages: 323
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On May 4, 4:54 pm, "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>   We were smart, we were good.  We are the seamen.  Loved by
>
> > many, hated by most, because an L was coming their way.-
>
> And we were so full of ourselves that people still think we sound like
> douchebags.  And we apologize for being the biggest cheaters in
> Ultimate for a few years but we love refs now, so it's all good,  And,
> most important of all, I had nothing to do with any nasty behavior
> that I had nothing to do with.  It was all somebody else's fault.

Not so much full of ourselves, as honest with ourselves.

I never apologized for cheating, because I never cheated. If by
cheating you mean playing by the rules using the rules to your
advantage, then we certainly did that. And you are correct, 3Jane, I
had nothing to do with any nasty behavior that I had nothing to do
with, but the stuff I did have something to do with I took
responsibility for.

In fact, after an altercation with Cornell, I wrote an apology letter
to the Cornell squad for my behavior at the end of the game. In
short, some players girlfriend started getting in my face post game
over a spike, and thus the line heard round the UPA, "That's what it's
like when you're on top bitch". A buds player and her boyfriend tried
to come after me, so I called her a bitch again. Pretty bush league,
I admit. I wrote an apology letter because what I said was wrong,
even if I was provoked and in the heat of the moment. Nobody ever
knew I wrote it, nor was I forced to. I was compelled to. Because it
was the right thing to do.

So unless I played against you somewhere between 1988 and 1996 3jane,
don't lump all us pit-bulls together, some are sweet, some are
vicious, and some are named Ed; unpredictable, emotional, and wee bit
unstable but loyal to a fault.
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22920 is a reply to message #22918] Mon, 04 May 2009 15:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On May 4, 6:09 pm, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 4:54 pm, "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >   We were smart, we were good.  We are the seamen.  Loved by
>
> > > many, hated by most, because an L was coming their way.-
>
> > And we were so full of ourselves that people still think we sound like
> > douchebags.  And we apologize for being the biggest cheaters in
> > Ultimate for a few years but we love refs now, so it's all good,  And,
> > most important of all, I had nothing to do with any nasty behavior
> > that I had nothing to do with.  It was all somebody else's fault.
>
> Not so much full of ourselves, as honest with ourselves.
>
> I never apologized for cheating, because I never cheated.  If by
> cheating you mean playing by the rules using the rules to your
> advantage, then we certainly did that.   And you are correct, 3Jane, I
> had nothing to do with any nasty behavior that I had nothing to do
> with, but the stuff I did have something to do with I took
> responsibility for.
>
> In fact, after an altercation with Cornell, I wrote an apology letter
> to the Cornell squad for my behavior at the end of the game.  In
> short, some players girlfriend started getting in my face post game
> over a spike, and thus the line heard round the UPA, "That's what it's
> like when you're on top bitch".  A buds player and her boyfriend tried
> to come after me, so I called her a bitch again.  Pretty bush league,
> I admit.  I wrote an apology letter because what I said was wrong,
> even if I was provoked and in the heat of the moment.  Nobody ever
> knew I wrote it, nor was I forced to.  I was compelled to.  Because it
> was the right thing to do.
>
> So unless I played against you somewhere between 1988 and 1996 3jane,
> don't lump all us pit-bulls together, some are sweet, some are
> vicious, and some are named Ed; unpredictable, emotional, and wee bit
> unstable but loyal to a fault.

so chuck......would any of these actions be included in the
"hundreds" (which would entail at least 200 right?) conduct violations
that we committed?
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22926 is a reply to message #22839] Mon, 04 May 2009 15:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
faddy
Messages: 310
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On May 4, 1:05 pm, ckerr4 <chaske...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Toad, Ed, Gerics, and other early 90's Seamen players:
>
> You guys are just cracking me up with these series of posts scolding
> EGO.
>
> As Wagonseller wrote, "hypocrisy rules", but some of this goes beyond
> run of the mill hypocrisy. Maybe you guys have truly forgotten what
> those early '90s UNC-W teams were like. To coin a phrase, I'll call it
> "pharmacologically accelerated memory loss" or PAML for short.
>
> As a coach of a rival team, I was a few years older than the players
> involved, and I might be suffering from regular old memory loss, but I
> still recall a good deal of these years...
>
> And from what I remember, the UNC-W team and College Easterns were a
> rolling series of "death penalty" events. The fact that the Seamen
> were never suspended and you were able to fight your way into
> Nationals each year was either due to (a) you all had incriminating
> photos on key Wilmington facility members, or more likely (b) pure
> dumb luck and a administration that didn't give a crap about what the
> club ultimate team was up to.
>
> One bad break, one UNC-W Neidermeyer, and you'd have been a small
> footnote instead of college champions.
>
> And, as I remember, that goes for ECU too.
>
> Fortunately we played in a pre-web world, and maybe school
> administrators had a more latitude in terms of letting stuff go
> figuring they wouldn't have to worry about Google News picking up
> every little embarrassment.
>
> So look my PAML friends, the Seamen or Irates could have been banned
> for a season after any one of hundreds of transgressions, and it would
> have sucked for the sport -- just as losing EGO for this year sucks
> for the sport.
>
> I really don't see any difference, except that the EGO guys are 20,
> and the Seamen guys are, now, 40.
>
> Charles

you have lost your mind, charlie. there were never any sorta death
penalty threats to us.
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22928 is a reply to message #22926] Mon, 04 May 2009 16:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22933 is a reply to message #22902] Mon, 04 May 2009 16:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> And we were so full of ourselves that people still think we sound like
> douchebags.


--i don't know what we sound like...i trust you if we sound like
douchebags....but we had plenty to be full of ourselves about.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 And we apologize for being the biggest cheaters in
> Ultimate for a few years but we love refs now,

--we were physical...much like observers allow the game to be today.
we called travel against travelers which many called "cheating to stop
the flow"...but the observers ALWAYS favored our calls.
always.
so....call it cheating or call it being prejudiced by a bunch of
candyassed suckers....either way....it is all good.
and now...observers are here to make sure every team plays the way
that we wanted everyone to play.
get with that.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> most important of all, I had nothing to do with any nasty behavior
> that I had nothing to do with.  It was all somebody else's fault.

---i think we had everything to do with....making ultimate the way it
is today.....
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22936 is a reply to message #22913] Mon, 04 May 2009 16:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
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On May 4, 2:54 pm, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 1:59 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 4, 10:34 am, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yeah, we spiked the disc.  We talked a fair amount of trash if the
> > > opponents decided that is how they wanted to play.  Punches were never
> > > thrown, not even a shove during my time. Although I did run off a
> > > member of a club DC squad with a folding chair as he continually
> > > harrassed me on the sideline, and I'd do it again. I felt threatened
> > > and defended myself.  Nobody messed with after that.  Funny how that
> > > works.
>
> > Before you assume this is just another "I attack you, then you attack
> > me" post, let me try to communicate with you. As you graciously
> > admitted (no dig), you ran off someone because they harassed you from
> > the sideline. Is there any way you might understand that is exactly
> > what the NC teams did to their opponents and even spectators (I
> > experienced it at a Stanford Invite about 10 years ago). Their
> > harassment/taunting of their opponents was horrible IMO. [Note: I
> > don't remember them ever throwing a punch or not adhering to the
> > rules.]
>
> I see your point and it is valid.  But the particular instance was of
> a player in his late twenties, early thirties, following me
> (age 19) around on the sideline calling me junior over and over.  At
> that point i picked up a folding camping chair and screamed "who are
> you man?" while forcing him backwards with said chair.  This attracted
> enough attention to gather my teammates around and separate the two of
> us.  So let's put that one aside as a special circumstance.
>
> Now, as far as sideline control, yeah we pretty much dominated the
> sidelines.  I had a rule that I would never walk behind another player
> or spectator on the sideline.  I would always walk in front.  As I
> came near they would back off.  My focus was on my team, until a
> player from the opposing team or sideline demanded my attention, then
> my focus would briefly move to that target until I was sufficiently
> satisfied, then back to supporting my team.  If I was incessantly
> heckled by the sideline, I would talk back.  If it was effecting my
> play, I used their energy for the next D or O play, then talk to em
> and see what they had to say.
>
> I used some psychological warfare, no doubt.  But I never called
> anybody's mother a name or said anything about their sister.  Frankly
> parents belonged in an area where the team isn't.  Endzone, but not on
> the team's sideline.

Thanks for the reply. It makes sense... except for the last part. If
you need parents, or any spectators, to be away from the field, then
the problem is with you, not the spectators. The incident I personally
saw was the NC team members on the field yelling at spectators
(probably mostly parents who were not saying anything) about how bad
their sons were, of course using as many fxxks as they could, etc.
They also were taunting their opponents on and off the field. It
undoubtedly juiced them up and got their adrenaline moving. But those
on the other end of their rants felt a lot like you did, except we
were too chicken to pick up a chair and chase them.
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22940 is a reply to message #22936] Mon, 04 May 2009 17:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wagenwheel
Messages: 323
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On May 4, 7:48 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 2:54 pm, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 4, 1:59 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 4, 10:34 am, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Yeah, we spiked the disc.  We talked a fair amount of trash if the
> > > > opponents decided that is how they wanted to play.  Punches were never
> > > > thrown, not even a shove during my time. Although I did run off a
> > > > member of a club DC squad with a folding chair as he continually
> > > > harrassed me on the sideline, and I'd do it again. I felt threatened
> > > > and defended myself.  Nobody messed with after that.  Funny how that
> > > > works.
>
> > > Before you assume this is just another "I attack you, then you attack
> > > me" post, let me try to communicate with you. As you graciously
> > > admitted (no dig), you ran off someone because they harassed you from
> > > the sideline. Is there any way you might understand that is exactly
> > > what the NC teams did to their opponents and even spectators (I
> > > experienced it at a Stanford Invite about 10 years ago). Their
> > > harassment/taunting of their opponents was horrible IMO. [Note: I
> > > don't remember them ever throwing a punch or not adhering to the
> > > rules.]
>
> > I see your point and it is valid.  But the particular instance was of
> > a player in his late twenties, early thirties, following me
> > (age 19) around on the sideline calling me junior over and over.  At
> > that point i picked up a folding camping chair and screamed "who are
> > you man?" while forcing him backwards with said chair.  This attracted
> > enough attention to gather my teammates around and separate the two of
> > us.  So let's put that one aside as a special circumstance.
>
> > Now, as far as sideline control, yeah we pretty much dominated the
> > sidelines.  I had a rule that I would never walk behind another player
> > or spectator on the sideline.  I would always walk in front.  As I
> > came near they would back off.  My focus was on my team, until a
> > player from the opposing team or sideline demanded my attention, then
> > my focus would briefly move to that target until I was sufficiently
> > satisfied, then back to supporting my team.  If I was incessantly
> > heckled by the sideline, I would talk back.  If it was effecting my
> > play, I used their energy for the next D or O play, then talk to em
> > and see what they had to say.
>
> > I used some psychological warfare, no doubt.  But I never called
> > anybody's mother a name or said anything about their sister.  Frankly
> > parents belonged in an area where the team isn't.  Endzone, but not on
> > the team's sideline.
>
> Thanks for the reply. It makes sense... except for the last part. If
> you need parents, or any spectators, to be away from the field, then
> the problem is with you, not the spectators. The incident I personally
> saw was the NC team members on the field yelling at spectators
> (probably mostly parents who were not saying anything) about how bad
> their sons were, of course using as many fxxks as they could, etc.
> They also were taunting their opponents on and off the field. It
> undoubtedly juiced them up and got their adrenaline moving. But those
> on the other end of their rants felt a lot like you did, except we
> were too chicken to pick up a chair and chase them.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The problem was most certainly with me. I wouldn't call it chicken. I
would call it mentally stable. I still believe there should be some
line of demarcation for parents and spectators.
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22943 is a reply to message #22940] Mon, 04 May 2009 17:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On May 4, 5:02 pm, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 7:48 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 4, 2:54 pm, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 4, 1:59 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 4, 10:34 am, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Yeah, we spiked the disc.  We talked a fair amount of trash if the
> > > > > opponents decided that is how they wanted to play.  Punches were never
> > > > > thrown, not even a shove during my time. Although I did run off a
> > > > > member of a club DC squad with a folding chair as he continually
> > > > > harrassed me on the sideline, and I'd do it again. I felt threatened
> > > > > and defended myself.  Nobody messed with after that.  Funny how that
> > > > > works.
>
> > > > Before you assume this is just another "I attack you, then you attack
> > > > me" post, let me try to communicate with you. As you graciously
> > > > admitted (no dig), you ran off someone because they harassed you from
> > > > the sideline. Is there any way you might understand that is exactly
> > > > what the NC teams did to their opponents and even spectators (I
> > > > experienced it at a Stanford Invite about 10 years ago). Their
> > > > harassment/taunting of their opponents was horrible IMO. [Note: I
> > > > don't remember them ever throwing a punch or not adhering to the
> > > > rules.]
>
> > > I see your point and it is valid.  But the particular instance was of
> > > a player in his late twenties, early thirties, following me
> > > (age 19) around on the sideline calling me junior over and over.  At
> > > that point i picked up a folding camping chair and screamed "who are
> > > you man?" while forcing him backwards with said chair.  This attracted
> > > enough attention to gather my teammates around and separate the two of
> > > us.  So let's put that one aside as a special circumstance.
>
> > > Now, as far as sideline control, yeah we pretty much dominated the
> > > sidelines.  I had a rule that I would never walk behind another player
> > > or spectator on the sideline.  I would always walk in front.  As I
> > > came near they would back off.  My focus was on my team, until a
> > > player from the opposing team or sideline demanded my attention, then
> > > my focus would briefly move to that target until I was sufficiently
> > > satisfied, then back to supporting my team.  If I was incessantly
> > > heckled by the sideline, I would talk back.  If it was effecting my
> > > play, I used their energy for the next D or O play, then talk to em
> > > and see what they had to say.
>
> > > I used some psychological warfare, no doubt.  But I never called
> > > anybody's mother a name or said anything about their sister.  Frankly
> > > parents belonged in an area where the team isn't.  Endzone, but not on
> > > the team's sideline.
>
> > Thanks for the reply. It makes sense... except for the last part. If
> > you need parents, or any spectators, to be away from the field, then
> > the problem is with you, not the spectators. The incident I personally
> > saw was the NC team members on the field yelling at spectators
> > (probably mostly parents who were not saying anything) about how bad
> > their sons were, of course using as many fxxks as they could, etc.
> > They also were taunting their opponents on and off the field. It
> > undoubtedly juiced them up and got their adrenaline moving. But those
> > on the other end of their rants felt a lot like you did, except we
> > were too chicken to pick up a chair and chase them.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The problem was most certainly with me. I wouldn't call it chicken.  I
> would call it mentally stable.  I still believe there should be some
> line of demarcation for parents and spectators.

It seems the UPA is trying to draw that line too. Aren't they
requiring a 3-6 yard sideline only for players in championship
tournaments? I will miss being able to stand with the athletes I know,
but I understand that it's probably best for the game.
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22965 is a reply to message #22943] Mon, 04 May 2009 19:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
moremailforscott
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I'm not sure what examples Charles had in mind or whether he's
thinking exclusively about on field behaviour. The thing I find
hypocritical is the notion of bashing EGO for not thinking in advance
about the POSSIBILITY their frivolous nude point would turn out the
way it did. Not because they got themselves disqualified, but because
the subsequent publicity deemed counterproductive for advancing the
image of the sport beyond a game played by hippies.

Yet back in the day, y'all weren't worrying about the POSSIBILITY that
tie dyes and dreads - both associated with hippy drug culture - might
prove just as counter to advancing the image of the sport if a
reporter showed up and wrote an article, and even worse put a picture
of Toad in the paper next to it!

No guarantees for the Seamen that a reporter would focus on how
seriously you played the game. No guarantees for EGO that one uptight
prude wouldn't run to file a complaint, instead of simply turning
around and looking the other way for a few minutes. In either case,
just a bunch of young frisbee players living life in the moment.
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22988 is a reply to message #22965] Tue, 05 May 2009 03:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> Yet back in the day, y'all weren't worrying about the POSSIBILITY that
> tie dyes and dreads - both associated with hippy drug culture - might
> prove just as counter to advancing the image of the sport
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


---back in the day?
the UNCW Seamen had tie-dyes only 7 short years ago at nationals in
Spokane and Boston...

hopefully the Seaweed will be sporting them in Ohio
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22990 is a reply to message #22965] Tue, 05 May 2009 04:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wagenwheel
Messages: 323
Registered: September 2008
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On May 4, 10:46 pm, "moremailforsc...@yahoo.com"
<moremailforsc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure what examples Charles had in mind or whether he's
> thinking exclusively about on field behaviour.  The thing I find
> hypocritical is the notion of bashing EGO for not thinking in advance
> about the POSSIBILITY their frivolous nude point would turn out the
> way it did.  Not because they got themselves disqualified, but because
> the subsequent publicity deemed counterproductive for advancing the
> image of the sport beyond a game played by hippies.
>
> Yet back in the day, y'all weren't worrying about the POSSIBILITY that
> tie dyes and dreads - both associated with hippy drug culture - might
> prove just as counter to advancing the image of the sport if a
> reporter showed up and wrote an article, and even worse put a picture
> of Toad in the paper next to it!
>
> No guarantees for the Seamen that a reporter would focus on how
> seriously you played the game.  No guarantees for EGO that one uptight
> prude wouldn't run to file a complaint, instead of simply turning
> around and looking the other way for a few minutes.  In either case,
> just a bunch of young frisbee players living life in the moment.

Moremailforscott actually makes a valid point in terms of perception.
I would say that hair styles (dreads or long hair) is more accepted
though. As for our shirts, only the sleeves were tie-dyed and
everyone wore the exact same shirt, giving an overall unified look.
But, who is to say a reporter would not focus on the dreads and
colorful attire. I think Charles was referencing our off site parties
at our tournaments and the activities that went on there.

Now if EGO had gotten their team DQ'd for throwing a rager, I'd
understand and send flowers, as it stands I can only give them the
Nelson, "Hah, Ha".
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22991 is a reply to message #22990] Tue, 05 May 2009 04:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
Messages: 8115
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 I think Charles was referencing our off site parties
> at our tournaments and the activities that went on there.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---you think the dog fights were wrong?
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22996 is a reply to message #22965] Tue, 05 May 2009 06:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
Messages: 8204
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On May 4, 10:46 pm, "moremailforsc...@yahoo.com"
<moremailforsc...@yahoo.com> wrote:'

> I'm not sure what examples Charles had in mind or whether he's
> thinking exclusively about on field behaviour.

nobody is......thats cause charles is making bullshit accusations.
notice how he is now convienently absent from this thread!
Personally, i cant wait untill the next time i see him. he aint gonna
hear the end of this shit from me. I'm callin you out chuck.
------------------------------------------------


 The thing I find
> hypocritical is the notion of bashing EGO for not thinking in advance
> about the POSSIBILITY their frivolous nude point would turn out the
> way it did.

how is that hypocritical. Had i of been told in advance that they
were gonna do such a thing i would have still publicly bashed
em.......no matter what the "publicity" results would have been. so
hows that hypocritical. IMO, both nude and coed ultimate should be
forever banned (as well as any official comp without refzervers((at
the least))). I guess, personally, i just believe playing s sport
(especially a fringe sport like ulti thats on the verge of possibly
"breaking thru") nude, in order to "make some kind of statement", is
completely stupid in which there is absolutly NOTHING TO BE GAINED
FROM DOING SO!!!!!! and all this backlash proves that!
------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------




 Not because they got themselves disqualified, but because
> the subsequent publicity deemed counterproductive for advancing the
> image of the sport beyond a game played by hippies.


There are actually a number of reasons that they have givin for us to
bash them. take your pick.
1) doing what they did in the first place
2) doing what they did knowing their probationary status
3) just being plain stupid
4) embarassing the college
5) embarassing the sport
6) being dicks in general(as per another poster)
7) their plea for support from rsd
8) their stuborn and idiotic appeal
9) their pussified reaction
!0) embarassing themselfs

i pick em all
------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Yet back in the day, y'all weren't worrying about the POSSIBILITY that
> tie dyes and dreads - both associated with hippy drug culture - might
> prove just as counter to advancing the image of the sport if a
> reporter showed up and wrote an article, and even worse put a picture
> of Toad in the paper next to it!


whaaaaaaaaaa?!?! how do you lump a style of shirt or hair style with
actions that are AGAINST the conduct policy of the sport? now THIS is
quite a reach! As for tiedyes.......the ones we wore/i made were not
your average tiedyes pattern wise AND since the nfl(or any other
sport, for that matter, where some of the athletes wear dreads) has no
problem with the dreads/hippy/drugs association how in the fuck could
a sport that flourishes its hippy roots have a problem????? and for
the record, i was taken the militant (kill whitey) rasta angle.....not
the hippy angle. And understand that, when making tie dyes, i was in
it for the money, period.
------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------
>
> No guarantees for the Seamen that a reporter would focus on how
> seriously you played the game.


but at the same time theres no fuckin way in hell they would have been
able to focus on us performing some kind of nakid playin
ritual........cause we didnt practive that ritual. youre bluring the
issue here.

SO all ive herd are 3 instances where we didnt "represent
properly" (of which only one is an actual "conduct" issue)
1) ed gettin outa control on an ocasion or two
2) us wearin tiedies as jerzies
3) me (and linkfield) wearin dreads
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------





 No guarantees for EGO that one uptight
> prude wouldn't run to file a complaint, instead of simply turning
> around and looking the other way for a few minutes.  In either case,
> just a bunch of young frisbee players living life in the moment.

It just goes to show that ya never know. From where i sit its too bad
EGO didnt have an uptite prude on their team that coulda maybe talked
them out of such foolish behavior, eh? As for not thinking ahead and
"living in the moment".......it has its consequenses.......always has,
always will. this is common knowledge, isnt it?
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22998 is a reply to message #22911] Tue, 05 May 2009 06:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
predator5105
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On May 4, 5:43 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 2:33 pm, rover...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 4, 1:59 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 4, 10:34 am, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Yeah, we spiked the disc.  We talked a fair amount of trash if the
> > > > opponents decided that is how they wanted to play.  Punches were never
> > > > thrown, not even a shove during my time. Although I did run off a
> > > > member of a club DC squad with a folding chair as he continually
> > > > harrassed me on the sideline, and I'd do it again. I felt threatened
> > > > and defended myself.  Nobody messed with after that.  Funny how that
> > > > works.
>
> > > Before you assume this is just another "I attack you, then you attack
> > > me" post, let me try to communicate with you. As you graciously
> > > admitted (no dig), you ran off someone because they harassed you from
> > > the sideline. Is there any way you might understand that is exactly
> > > what the NC teams did to their opponents and even spectators (I
> > > experienced it at a Stanford Invite about 10 years ago). Their
> > > harassment/taunting of their opponents was horrible IMO. [Note: I
> > > don't remember them ever throwing a punch or not adhering to the
> > > rules.]
>
> > And how is any of what you wrote similar to playing naked?...cause
> > they yelled?
>
> Seeing them play naked would definitely be worse than either a punch
> or spit.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The spit was not from the Seamen....and would probably get ONE player
suspended for a few games.
Not sure what punch you are referring to.....but again, it would
result in ONE player being suspended.

Sounds to me like you have some personal issues with the Seamen but
can't seem to really pin anything on them.
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #22999 is a reply to message #22965] Tue, 05 May 2009 06:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
predator5105
Messages: 13
Registered: January 2009
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On May 4, 10:46 pm, "moremailforsc...@yahoo.com"
<moremailforsc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure what examples Charles had in mind or whether he's
> thinking exclusively about on field behaviour.  The thing I find
> hypocritical is the notion of bashing EGO for not thinking in advance
> about the POSSIBILITY their frivolous nude point would turn out the
> way it did.  Not because they got themselves disqualified, but because
> the subsequent publicity deemed counterproductive for advancing the
> image of the sport beyond a game played by hippies.
>
> Yet back in the day, y'all weren't worrying about the POSSIBILITY that
> tie dyes and dreads - both associated with hippy drug culture - might
> prove just as counter to advancing the image of the sport if a
> reporter showed up and wrote an article, and even worse put a picture
> of Toad in the paper next to it!
>
> No guarantees for the Seamen that a reporter would focus on how
> seriously you played the game.  No guarantees for EGO that one uptight
> prude wouldn't run to file a complaint, instead of simply turning
> around and looking the other way for a few minutes.  In either case,
> just a bunch of young frisbee players living life in the moment.

The worst thing that would happen is they would make a movie with
people playing frisbee, smoking weed and wearing tie-dyes....how
horrible is that?
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #23000 is a reply to message #22848] Tue, 05 May 2009 06:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
Messages: 8204
Registered: April 2009
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On May 4, 1:28 pm, ckerr4 <chaske...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Don't get me wrong: The UNC-W team was cool.

thats so ironic......because we always thought the people that played
ulti in the trangle area to be rather nerdy and uncool
(with a few exceptions.....unfortunately, you chuck, werent one of
those "exceptions")


were cool......pffft. we knew we were cool(still do) and sure as fuck
dont need some dweeb that never played competitively to tell us so.
But we also dont need that same dweeb spreading bullshit propaganda
and making wild accusations and imbellishments as to our "lucky"
status of not getting the same type of punishments ego got.

still waiting for you to list those "hundreds" of offenses that we got
away with commiting? So you better man up and explain your self or
retract this shit, or i will guarantee that i will make it a point to
bring this shit up everyday on rsd.......
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #23001 is a reply to message #22996] Tue, 05 May 2009 06:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
throw
Messages: 743
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Toadie: "As for tiedyes.......the ones we wore/i made were not
your average tiedyes pattern wise AND since"....etc


The finest tye dies across the land !!!...lol.


Hank & Co.
www.thisisultimate.com
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #23003 is a reply to message #23001] Tue, 05 May 2009 06:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
Messages: 8204
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On May 5, 9:15 am, i...@ThisIsUltimate.com wrote:
> Toadie:   "As for tiedyes.......the ones we wore/i made were not
> your average tiedyes pattern wise AND since"....etc
>
> The finest tye dies across the land !!!...lol.
>
> Hank & Co.www.thisisultimate.com

what would we do here on rsd without your stupid, meaningless and
pointless comments? and dont ya think weve figured out that you guys
have a web site.......and it sucks.......and none of us visit
it.......EVER.
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #23005 is a reply to message #22839] Tue, 05 May 2009 06:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
predator5105
Messages: 13
Registered: January 2009
Junior Member
On May 4, 1:05 pm, ckerr4 <chaske...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Toad, Ed, Gerics, and other early 90's Seamen players:
>
> You guys are just cracking me up with these series of posts scolding
> EGO.
>
> As Wagonseller wrote, "hypocrisy rules", but some of this goes beyond
> run of the mill hypocrisy. Maybe you guys have truly forgotten what
> those early '90s UNC-W teams were like. To coin a phrase, I'll call it
> "pharmacologically accelerated memory loss" or PAML for short.
>
> As a coach of a rival team, I was a few years older than the players
> involved, and I might be suffering from regular old memory loss, but I
> still recall a good deal of these years...
>
> And from what I remember, the UNC-W team and College Easterns were a
> rolling series of "death penalty" events. The fact that the Seamen
> were never suspended and you were able to fight your way into
> Nationals each year was either due to (a) you all had incriminating
> photos on key Wilmington facility members, or more likely (b) pure
> dumb luck and a administration that didn't give a crap about what the
> club ultimate team was up to.
>
> One bad break, one UNC-W Neidermeyer, and you'd have been a small
> footnote instead of college champions.
>
> And, as I remember, that goes for ECU too.
>
> Fortunately we played in a pre-web world, and maybe school
> administrators had a more latitude in terms of letting stuff go
> figuring they wouldn't have to worry about Google News picking up
> every little embarrassment.
>
> So look my PAML friends, the Seamen or Irates could have been banned
> for a season after any one of hundreds of transgressions, and it would
> have sucked for the sport -- just as losing EGO for this year sucks
> for the sport.
>
> I really don't see any difference, except that the EGO guys are 20,
> and the Seamen guys are, now, 40.
>
> Charles

Charles......Didn't you wear JEANS to be an observer
recently???????????
I really don't think you have a fucking clue.
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #23008 is a reply to message #22839] Tue, 05 May 2009 06:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
Messages: 8204
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On May 4, 1:05 pm, ckerr4 <chaske...@gmail.com> wrote:.
>
> Fortunately we

we???? because i personally never remember you even playing in the
first place. I guess thats just testimony to how much of a non factor
you were as a player. so i dont know what the I love you could have
ever brought to the table as a coach.
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------



played in a pre-web world, and maybe school
> administrators had a more latitude in terms of letting stuff go
> figuring they wouldn't have to worry about Google News picking up
> every little embarrassment.
>


WHICH IS KINDA THE POINT.....YOU FUCKING DICK!!!! We were well aware
of the climate of "our time". The fact that ego dosent have a grasp
of "their time" just points further to THEIR STUPIDITY......not OUR
LUCK.

None the less we NEVER were in any kinda poor status with our
administration.....or the upa. So where do you get this fuckin
bullshit from to begin with is what i want to know? why'd ya have to
go and be a lil cunt about this whole thing chuck?
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #23009 is a reply to message #22846] Tue, 05 May 2009 06:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ckerr4
Messages: 281
Registered: January 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC
Senior Member
Clearly it's gone way past PAML, it's like Men In Black, you guys must
have been neurolized.

And again it was fun, your teams were great, it made coaching a
challenge worth doing, and I wouldn't have changed a thing. But you
guys were lucky.

For the good of the sport and to insure a clean sheet for any future
ultimate historians who wish to write about this time in our sport's
history, I'm going to neurolize myself write after I press the send
key. I'll be joining Toad and his spotless mind...

3 - 2 - 1
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #23010 is a reply to message #22839] Tue, 05 May 2009 06:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ckerr4
Messages: 281
Registered: January 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC
Senior Member
On May 4, 1:05 pm, ckerr4 <chaske...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Toad, Ed, Gerics, and other early 90's Seamen players:
>
> You guys are just cracking me up with these series of posts scolding
> EGO.
>
> As Wagonseller wrote, "hypocrisy rules", but some of this goes beyond
> run of the mill hypocrisy. Maybe you guys have truly forgotten what
> those early '90s UNC-W teams were like. To coin a phrase, I'll call it
> "pharmacologically accelerated memory loss" or PAML for short.
>
> As a coach of a rival team, I was a few years older than the players
> involved, and I might be suffering from regular old memory loss, but I
> still recall a good deal of these years...
>
> And from what I remember, the UNC-W team and College Easterns were a
> rolling series of "death penalty" events. The fact that the Seamen
> were never suspended and you were able to fight your way into
> Nationals each year was either due to (a) you all had incriminating
> photos on key Wilmington facility members, or more likely (b) pure
> dumb luck and a administration that didn't give a crap about what the
> club ultimate team was up to.
>
> One bad break, one UNC-W Neidermeyer, and you'd have been a small
> footnote instead of college champions.
>
> And, as I remember, that goes for ECU too.
>
> Fortunately we played in a pre-web world, and maybe school
> administrators had a more latitude in terms of letting stuff go
> figuring they wouldn't have to worry about Google News picking up
> every little embarrassment.
>
> So look my PAML friends, the Seamen or Irates could have been banned
> for a season after any one of hundreds of transgressions, and it would
> have sucked for the sport -- just as losing EGO for this year sucks
> for the sport.
>
> I really don't see any difference, except that the EGO guys are 20,
> and the Seamen guys are, now, 40.
>
> Charles

that's my email address and name, but who is this dick? I don't
remember any of this.
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #23015 is a reply to message #23010] Tue, 05 May 2009 07:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ME
Messages: 137
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
Kerr,

You can't just say that this is over. Was it over when the Germans
bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

Vassar
Proud Tye Dye Wearer
Re: Seamen vs. EGO [message #23027 is a reply to message #22998] Tue, 05 May 2009 08:18 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On May 5, 6:10 am, predator5...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On May 4, 5:43 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 4, 2:33 pm, rover...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On May 4, 1:59 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 4, 10:34 am, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Yeah, we spiked the disc.  We talked a fair amount of trash if the
> > > > > opponents decided that is how they wanted to play.  Punches were never
> > > > > thrown, not even a shove during my time. Although I did run off a
> > > > > member of a club DC squad with a folding chair as he continually
> > > > > harrassed me on the sideline, and I'd do it again. I felt threatened
> > > > > and defended myself.  Nobody messed with after that.  Funny how that
> > > > > works.
>
> > > > Before you assume this is just another "I attack you, then you attack
> > > > me" post, let me try to communicate with you. As you graciously
> > > > admitted (no dig), you ran off someone because they harassed you from
> > > > the sideline. Is there any way you might understand that is exactly
> > > > what the NC teams did to their opponents and even spectators (I
> > > > experienced it at a Stanford Invite about 10 years ago). Their
> > > > harassment/taunting of their opponents was horrible IMO. [Note: I
> > > > don't remember them ever throwing a punch or not adhering to the
> > > > rules.]
>
> > > And how is any of what you wrote similar to playing naked?...cause
> > > they yelled?
>
> > Seeing them play naked would definitely be worse than either a punch
> > or spit.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The spit was not from the Seamen....and would probably get ONE player
> suspended for a few games.
> Not sure what punch you are referring to.....but again, it would
> result in ONE player being suspended.
>
> Sounds to me like you have some personal issues with the Seamen but
> can't seem to really pin anything on them.

My comment was a joke. The punch and spit referred to another thread
that many on this one were involved in.
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