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Oregon Update [message #21381] Mon, 27 April 2009 17:05 Go to next message
Wagenwheel
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Anybody know what's up with score-reporter? I just checked to see what
the score was in the UofO Ultimate v UofO Club Sports Executive
Committee. Nothing. Somebody let us know.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21386 is a reply to message #21381] Mon, 27 April 2009 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ktpaulson
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On Apr 27, 5:05 pm, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
> Anybody know what's up with score-reporter? I just checked to see what
> the score was in the UofO Ultimate v UofO Club Sports Executive
> Committee.  Nothing.  Somebody let us know.

Appeal is happening at 5:30 today.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21409 is a reply to message #21386] Mon, 27 April 2009 18:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jessicav.huynh
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I was not at the meeting, but just received news that Ego's season is
over. I'm sure others will post about the details.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21410 is a reply to message #21381] Mon, 27 April 2009 18:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pautesch
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On Apr 27, 7:05 pm, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
> Anybody know what's up with score-reporter? I just checked to see what
> the score was in the UofO Ultimate v UofO Club Sports Executive
> Committee.  Nothing.  Somebody let us know'''

I know it was stupid... but they should get another chance. They know
they did something dumb, they now understand the consequences.......
more dire than they could ever imagine.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21411 is a reply to message #21386] Mon, 27 April 2009 18:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mkt
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On Apr 27, 5:22 pm, ktpaulson <paulsonka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 27, 5:05 pm, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Anybody know what's up with score-reporter? I just checked to see what
> > the score was in the UofO Ultimate v UofO Club Sports Executive
> > Committee.  Nothing.  Somebody let us know.
>
> Appeal is happening at 5:30 today.

IOW, sounds like a hard time cap.

--MKT
Re: Oregon Update [message #21416 is a reply to message #21386] Mon, 27 April 2009 18:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TWOLAPS
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Sounds like the appeal was turned down.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21437 is a reply to message #21416] Mon, 27 April 2009 19:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
may.egotime
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The appeal to overturn the decision to cancel Oregon Ultimate's season
failed. At the end of the proceedings, a motion to overturn the
decision was not followed by a second motion to the same effect, and
so no vote was allowed to take place.

The men's A and B teams, the women's team, numerous friends and
family, the UO student body president, and local newspaper reporters
were in attendance. The mood was very somber as numerous individuals
spoke on our behalf, as well as read letters from the greater ultimate
community supporting the continuation of our season. However, the
outpouring of support was not enough to convince the committee to
change their minds.

In their brief discussion, committee members made clear that they felt
that cancellation of our program this year was the only option they
had left, despite numerous suggestions posited by our team leaders
(such as community service, suspending certain players for a short
period, or reevaluating the team at the END of the season) for
alternate methods of reprisal. The committee cited the fact that our
actions reflect poorly on the Club Sports program as a whole and that
this association endangers the livelihood of all UO club sport
programs.

Needless to say, the reaction from the gallery post-proceedings was
that of outrage and disbelief.

The possibility of appealing to a higher governing body may still
exist. Long live Oregon Ultimate.

Dozer
EGO #12
Re: Oregon Update [message #21440 is a reply to message #21437] Mon, 27 April 2009 19:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Katie
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On Apr 27, 7:39 pm, may.egot...@gmail.com wrote:
> The appeal to overturn the decision to cancel Oregon Ultimate's season
> failed. At the end of the proceedings, a motion to overturn the
> decision was not followed by a second motion to the same effect, and
> so no vote was allowed to take place.
>
> The men's A and B teams, the women's team, numerous friends and
> family, the UO student body president, and local newspaper reporters
> were in attendance. The mood was very somber as numerous individuals
> spoke on our behalf, as well as read letters from the greater ultimate
> community supporting the continuation of our season. However, the
> outpouring of support was not enough to convince the committee to
> change their minds.
>
> In their brief discussion, committee members made clear that they felt
> that cancellation of our program this year was the only option they
> had left, despite numerous suggestions posited by our team leaders
> (such as community service, suspending certain players for a short
> period, or reevaluating the team at the END of the season) for
> alternate methods of reprisal. The committee cited the fact that our
> actions reflect poorly on the Club Sports program as a whole and that
> this association endangers the livelihood of all UO club sport
> programs.
>
> Needless to say, the reaction from the gallery post-proceedings was
> that of outrage and disbelief.
>
> The possibility of appealing to a higher governing body may still
> exist. Long live Oregon Ultimate.
>
> Dozer
> EGO #12

I was there. The Executive Committee didn't even listen.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21452 is a reply to message #21437] Mon, 27 April 2009 20:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BV
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As someone who has had to deal with rec-sports people on a regular
basis and having to explain our way out of getting our field use and/
or funding cut on a couple different times, I feel sorry that it came
down to that for you all of Oregon. But a question, that i don't
think has come up in the other posts, maybe a mentioning of it, but
how does the suspension from the school affect your playing in the UPA
series? Does the school committee have the power to have the UPA
suspend you as a team? Or do they simply cut your funding and prevent
you from having allotted practice time on school grounds? If it was a
funding problem, I am sure the ultimate community would help out, or a
practice space problem i'm sure wouldn't be too tragic. So what I
guess my question gets down to, Is the UPA still letting you play? (or
did your school send them something that tells them you all are
ineligible or something? which would be totally fucked up)


On Apr 27, 10:39 pm, may.egot...@gmail.com wrote:
> The appeal to overturn the decision to cancel Oregon Ultimate's season
> failed. At the end of the proceedings, a motion to overturn the
> decision was not followed by a second motion to the same effect, and
> so no vote was allowed to take place.
>
> The men's A and B teams, the women's team, numerous friends and
> family, the UO student body president, and local newspaper reporters
> were in attendance. The mood was very somber as numerous individuals
> spoke on our behalf, as well as read letters from the greater ultimate
> community supporting the continuation of our season. However, the
> outpouring of support was not enough to convince the committee to
> change their minds.
>
> In their brief discussion, committee members made clear that they felt
> that cancellation of our program this year was the only option they
> had left, despite numerous suggestions posited by our team leaders
> (such as community service, suspending certain players for a short
> period, or reevaluating the team at the END of the season) for
> alternate methods of reprisal. The committee cited the fact that our
> actions reflect poorly on the Club Sports program as a whole and that
> this association endangers the livelihood of all UO club sport
> programs.
>
> Needless to say, the reaction from the gallery post-proceedings was
> that of outrage and disbelief.
>
> The possibility of appealing to a higher governing body may still
> exist. Long live Oregon Ultimate.
>
> Dozer
> EGO #12
Re: Oregon Update [message #21458 is a reply to message #21452] Mon, 27 April 2009 21:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pautesch
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From what I understand, the upa does verifications through the school,
so you do actually have to have your school's consent to do the UPA
series.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21461 is a reply to message #21458] Mon, 27 April 2009 21:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Torre
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On Apr 28, 12:00 am, Paul Utesch <paute...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From what I understand, the upa does verifications through the school,
> so you do actually have to have your school's consent to do the UPA
> series.

correct. paperwork is filed through the schools registar in order to
verify that all players are current students (and i believe that the
program/students are in good standing w/ the university).

not sure if there's any history of any schools revoking their teams
write to play.

also- the b team did not break any rules. They didn't make the A-team
take their pants off(i hope). Seems like they shouldn't be held
responsible.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21465 is a reply to message #21458] Mon, 27 April 2009 21:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kris Gerig
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On Apr 28, 12:00 am, Paul Utesch <paute...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From what I understand, the upa does verifications through the school,
> so you do actually have to have your school's consent to do the UPA
> series.

technically this verification has already taken place. they needed to
have their roster certified by the school's registrar to play at
sectionals, so thats already taken care of. however, if the UPA still
let them play this year im sure doing so would screw them over with
their schools administration for the next few years which would
prevent them from being certified to play in future UPA series events.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21473 is a reply to message #21381] Mon, 27 April 2009 21:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Boz
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What does this mean for the Oregon/NorthCal section? Do two bids get
passed down to the next two teams? Are there just two fewer teams at
regionals this weekend?
Re: Oregon Update [message #21480 is a reply to message #21473] Mon, 27 April 2009 22:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Reid K
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When a team, for whatever reason, does not attend regionals, the bid
goes to the next-highest finishing team within the section, which
would be chico, or if both the A&B teams are out, Chico and Reed.

If all teams from a section do not take a bid, it goes to the section
that would have gotten another bid if there were 17 bids available(the
short answer). i believe this is norcal.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21484 is a reply to message #21465] Mon, 27 April 2009 22:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BV
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On Apr 28, 12:09 am, Kris Gerig <kris.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 12:00 am, Paul Utesch <paute...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From what I understand, the upa does verifications through the school,
> > so you do actually have to have your school's consent to do the UPA
> > series.
>
> technically this verification has already taken place. they needed to
> have their roster certified by the school's registrar to play at
> sectionals, so thats already taken care of. however, if the UPA still
> let them play this year im sure doing so would screw them over with
> their schools administration for the next few years which would
> prevent them from being certified to play in future UPA series events.

Yeah Kris, I guess the school could do that, which would suck, or also
pull their funding for the next year(s) for maintaining to
misrepresent the school, since they would still be competing under the
name of Oregon...
From all the antics at regionals and the chatter up on here, it seems
there is becoming more and more of a division in our sport between how
seriously we wish to be taken by people, usually specifically school
administration, and how much ridiculousness we want to get into on and
off the field at tournaments. But then again, taking Ego as an
example there are teams that battle every year to become one of the
best in the country, becoming some phenomenal college athletes, worthy
of varsity status, but year after year schools stick us with club
status, which at my school we share with frats, and other clubs
(including some such as the pancake club). And schools (and fellow
players) wonder why we do act the way we do at tournaments, because we
are viewed as just another group by schools, and not a national level
sports team (in the cause of Oregon). Then again if we want to fight
for better status lets prove we are better than our school's football
and basketball teams, even though Ultimate players are already
expected to be top-notch academically. So basically college ultimate
is in a interesting, but highly divisive, situation, with Oregon
almost perfectly exemplifying our issue, so really, what do schools
expect from a group they ignore until something a little negative
happens, and then they pounce on them, forget all the years of good
Oregon Ultimate has done as a team, as a group (assuming they have
been in good spirits with the school until recently), and damn them
for this one indiscretion.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21485 is a reply to message #21484] Mon, 27 April 2009 23:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Katie
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On Apr 27, 10:48 pm, Eli H <eho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 12:09 am, Kris Gerig <kris.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 28, 12:00 am, Paul Utesch <paute...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > From what I understand, the upa does verifications through the school,
> > > so you do actually have to have your school's consent to do the UPA
> > > series.
>
> > technically this verification has already taken place. they needed to
> > have their roster certified by the school's registrar to play at
> > sectionals, so thats already taken care of. however, if the UPA still
> > let them play this year im sure doing so would screw them over with
> > their schools administration for the next few years which would
> > prevent them from being certified to play in future UPA series events.
>
> Yeah Kris, I guess the school could do that, which would suck, or also
> pull their funding for the next year(s) for maintaining to
> misrepresent the school, since they would still be competing under the
> name of Oregon...
> From all the antics at regionals and the chatter up on here, it seems
> there is becoming more and more of a division in our sport between how
> seriously we wish to be taken by people, usually specifically school
> administration, and how much ridiculousness we want to get into on and
> off the field at tournaments.  But then again, taking Ego as an
> example there are teams that battle every year to become one of the
> best in the country, becoming some phenomenal college athletes, worthy
> of varsity status, but year after year schools stick us with club
> status, which at my school we share with frats, and other clubs
> (including some such as the pancake club).  And schools (and fellow
> players) wonder why we do act the way we do at tournaments, because we
> are viewed as just another group by schools, and not a national level
> sports team (in the cause of Oregon).  Then again if we want to fight
> for better status lets prove we are better than our school's football
> and basketball teams, even though Ultimate players are already
> expected to be top-notch academically.  So basically college ultimate
> is in a interesting, but highly divisive, situation, with Oregon
> almost perfectly exemplifying our issue, so really, what do schools
> expect from a group they ignore until something a little negative
> happens, and then they pounce on them, forget all the years of good
> Oregon Ultimate has done as a team, as a group (assuming they have
> been in good spirits with the school until recently), and damn them
> for this one indiscretion.

http://blogs.dailyemerald.com/sports/2009/04/27/more-from-th e-uo-club-sports-executive-committee-meeting-tonight/
Re: Oregon Update [message #21490 is a reply to message #21485] Mon, 27 April 2009 23:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mkt
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On Apr 27, 11:00 pm, Nij <katie_weatherh...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://blogs.dailyemerald.com/sports/2009/04/27/more-from-th e-uo-club...

Sounds like the club made a good presentation and good arguments ...
but still got shot down. Here's a longshot question: would going to
the press and appealing for public support help? Nationwide, there
would probably be significant public support for the administration
and against the players (as we've seen already from the comments
here), but within Oregon and especially within Eugene, attitudes might
be different, and pressure from the press and ridicule from the public
for the draconian penalty might cause the university to re-think its
position.

Yeah, not really likely to work, but it's all I can think of.


--MKT
Re: Oregon Update [message #21491 is a reply to message #21485] Mon, 27 April 2009 23:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Flo
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So this is from the article in the school's news paper:

Then on April 11, the club's 'A' and 'B' teams were scheduled to play
each other at a sectional tournament in Corvallis, but decided not to
because of their familiarity with each other. Instead of a full game,
a decision was made to play for one point to decide the game, with one
team playing without shirts and the other playing without any pants or
underwear.

If this is true (the game was reported as 13-9), UPA rules call for a
disqualification of at least one of the two teams due to a forfeit no
matter the shenanigans with the university afterwards, and reporting a
wrong score should probably disqualify the other team as well... . But
then, maybe the reporter here has his facts wrong.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21506 is a reply to message #21381] Tue, 28 April 2009 03:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steve
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On Apr 28, 5:05 am, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
> Anybody know what's up with score-reporter? I just checked to see what
> the score was in the UofO Ultimate v UofO Club Sports Executive
> Committee.  Nothing.  Somebody let us know.

I recently found this tool called Trackle ( http://www.trackle.com ).
It helps you track just about anything for free. I use it mainly to
track game scores. Try it. It's really cool.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21507 is a reply to message #21485] Tue, 28 April 2009 03:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> http://blogs.dailyemerald.com/sports/2009/04/27/more-from-th e-uo-club...-
~~~~~~~~~~~~

---"a difference in the ultimate society and club sports society?"
there should be no difference.

hopefully Oregon, you didn't go to your club sports meeting an tell
them that ultimate is different than other club sports because
ultimate is "in" to playing naked...because that ain't the truth.

"didn't think about it"?????
ya'll just didn't think about it huh?
that's retarded.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21508 is a reply to message #21491] Tue, 28 April 2009 03:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> Then on April 11, the club's 'A' and 'B' teams were scheduled to play
> each other at a sectional tournament in Corvallis, but decided not to
> because of their familiarity with each other. Instead of a full game,
> a decision was made to play for one point to decide the game, with one
> team playing without shirts and the other playing without any pants or
> underwear.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--who decided that NOT playing the scheduled game was a good idea?
games to 15 right?
Re: Oregon Update [message #21512 is a reply to message #21507] Tue, 28 April 2009 04:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Apr 28, 6:52 am, ageric...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > http://blogs.dailyemerald.com/sports/2009/04/27/more-from-th e-uo-club...
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ---"a difference in the ultimate society and club sports society?"
> there should be no difference.
>
> hopefully Oregon, you didn't go to your club sports meeting an tell
> them that ultimate is different than other club sports because
> ultimate is "in" to playing naked...because that ain't the truth.


i think that dude becker DID......cause he said that as per the
ultimate culture, sotg and all, getting naked is not all that
uncommon. Then he goes on to say that he still agreed it was WRONG.
So i would say any logical thinking person would conclude that, as per
becker, the ultimate culture condones actions that the KNOW are wrong.

>
> "didn't think about it"?????
> ya'll just didn't think about it huh?
> that's retarded.


So is this enough of a wake up call for the sport to once and for all
shelf all the "tomfoolery".
Re: Oregon Update [message #21513 is a reply to message #21508] Tue, 28 April 2009 04:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Apr 28, 6:54 am, ageric...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Then on April 11, the club's 'A' and 'B' teams were scheduled to play
> > each other at a sectional tournament in Corvallis, but decided not to
> > because of their familiarity with each other. Instead of a full game,
> > a decision was made to play for one point to decide the game, with one
> > team playing without shirts and the other playing without any pants or
> > underwear.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> --who decided that NOT playing the scheduled game was a good idea?
> games to 15 right?

i know that, had we had a b team, NUTHIN like this would have EVER
happened with uncw back in the day. We ALWAYS had a "serious
business" attitude.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21515 is a reply to message #21508] Tue, 28 April 2009 04:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wagenwheel
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On Apr 28, 6:54 am, ageric...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Then on April 11, the club's 'A' and 'B' teams were scheduled to play
> > each other at a sectional tournament in Corvallis, but decided not to
> > because of their familiarity with each other. Instead of a full game,
> > a decision was made to play for one point to decide the game, with one
> > team playing without shirts and the other playing without any pants or
> > underwear.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> --who decided that NOT playing the scheduled game was a good idea?
> games to 15 right?

Well Oregone, I sympathize with your sitatution. I feel for your
teammates and each of you that are denied the opportunity to pursue a
national championship. Sucks. Sucks bad.

I can't help but wonder who thought it would be a good idea, cute,
clever, or funny to perform such a outlandish act of performance art?
Is it the role models that you've chosen in the Ultimate world? Were
you confused and thought you were playing at Potlatch and not at a UPA
sanctioned event while in pursuit of a National Championship?

When I told my wife (a national champ from 1992) about the incident
her first question was men's or women's team? Followed by a look of
befuddlement, a slight pause and then in the spirit of the great Ron
Bennington she says, "Sounds like those guys like balls in their
mouths" as she delicately stirred the taco seasoning into the ground
beef. God I love that woman.

Whether or not the above is true, the bottom line is when you look at
the incident, it is forgivable in the eyes of the Ultimate community,
myself excluded. When you look at their body of work over the past
two years with the eye of an administrator or executive club sports
committee as it were, there is only one option. May I also suggest
that you do not get the media further involved. This WILL jeopardize
your clubs future for years to come. You're an embarrassment to the
Universtiy and action must be taken. You can blame it on the fact you
are no more respected as the pancake club. Last time I checked the
pancake club eats fully clothed.

We can excuse a speeding ticket and some drinking infractions, but no
one can excuse playing ultimate without pants. It seems
uncomfortable, dangerous (twisted ball syndrome), and pathetic. Buck
up, and get ready for Potlatch. There you'll be heralded as heroes
that bucked the system. Because at Potlatch playing nude is not only
encouraged, but expected.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21521 is a reply to message #21515] Tue, 28 April 2009 05:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> When I told my wife (a national champ from 1992) about the incident
> her first question was men's or women's team?  Followed by a look of
> befuddlement, a slight pause and then in the spirit of the great Ron
> Bennington she says, "Sounds like those guys like balls in their
> mouths" as she delicately stirred the taco seasoning into the ground
> beef.  God I love that woman.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---when i told my wife(a national champ from 1996) about the incident
her first statement was....'good...that's what they get'
Re: Oregon Update [message #21532 is a reply to message #21521] Tue, 28 April 2009 06:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Apr 28, 8:36 am, ageric...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > When I told my wife (a national champ from 1992) about the incident
> > her first question was men's or women's team?  Followed by a look of
> > befuddlement, a slight pause and then in the spirit of the great Ron
> > Bennington she says, "Sounds like those guys like balls in their
> > mouths" as she delicately stirred the taco seasoning into the ground
> > beef.  God I love that woman.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ---when i told my wife(a national champ from 1996) about the incident
> her first statement was....'good...that's what they get'

i told my wife and she couldnt give a fuck one way or another. Of
course this was just two days after delivering out 4th child via c-
section. Somthing tells me, though, she still wouldnt have givin a
fuck either way, post child birth or not.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21540 is a reply to message #21532] Tue, 28 April 2009 06:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
beard
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Does anyone know what consequences, if any, will be incurred next
year? I just sent my deposit and intent to register to the U of O and
I am praying I don't have to take a year off from ultimate and lose my
freshman season...
Re: Oregon Update [message #21551 is a reply to message #21540] Tue, 28 April 2009 07:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
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Hrmph. It's a shame that Oregon got busted, what with them being on
double-secret probation and all.

It's also a shame that our friends from North Carolina are a bunch of
Omegas, if you catch my drift. Maybe Toad can be Neidermyer.

Never played a nekkid point in my life, but I did streak a campus
green or two back in college. Probably better to do that kind of
thing on personal time rather than as a team event, but there are far
worse things that a team could do. A season cancellation would, to
most non-authoritarians, seem kind of draconian.

~p
Re: Oregon Update [message #21554 is a reply to message #21551] Tue, 28 April 2009 08:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
danfrisbeeman
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009136584_w ebnudity28m.html
Re: Oregon Update [message #21555 is a reply to message #21551] Tue, 28 April 2009 08:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wagenwheel
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On Apr 28, 10:56 am, pinto <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hrmph.  It's a shame that Oregon got busted, what with them being on
> double-secret probation and all.
>
> It's also a shame that our friends from North Carolina are a bunch of
> Omegas, if you catch my drift.  Maybe Toad can be Neidermyer.
>
> Never played a nekkid point in my life, but I did streak a campus
> green or two back in college.  Probably better to do that kind of
> thing on personal time rather than as a team event, but there are far
> worse things that a team could do.  A season cancellation would, to
> most non-authoritarians, seem kind of draconian.
>
>      ~p

Pinto, You hit on the head. They knew they were on double secret
probation, and yet a pantless point seemed the thing to do. I have
sympathy, but no empathy or pity. Draconian measures would be to
terminate their club status. Based on their history with UofO, this
is a slap on the wrist.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21556 is a reply to message #21554] Tue, 28 April 2009 08:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wagenwheel
Messages: 323
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Apr 28, 11:07 am, Dan Anderson <danfrisbee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009136584_w ebnudity2...

"a ritual in Ultimate where one team plays without shirts and the
other plays without pants or underwear."

Never heard of this ritual? 20 years in the game, never once heard of
this "ritual".
Re: Oregon Update [message #21558 is a reply to message #21555] Tue, 28 April 2009 08:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
H
Messages: 249
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Apr 28, 9:08 am, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 10:56 am, pinto <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hrmph.  It's a shame that Oregon got busted, what with them being on
> > double-secret probation and all.
>
> > It's also a shame that our friends from North Carolina are a bunch of
> > Omegas, if you catch my drift.  Maybe Toad can be Neidermyer.
>
> > Never played a nekkid point in my life, but I did streak a campus
> > green or two back in college.  Probably better to do that kind of
> > thing on personal time rather than as a team event, but there are far
> > worse things that a team could do.  A season cancellation would, to
> > most non-authoritarians, seem kind of draconian.
>
> >      ~p
>
> Pinto, You hit on the head.  They knew they were on double secret
> probation, and yet a pantless point seemed the thing to do.  I have
> sympathy, but no empathy or pity.  Draconian measures would be to
> terminate their club status.  Based on their history with UofO, this
> is a slap on the wrist.

The thing is, this isn't the first pantsless point that Oregon has
ever played. During my tenure at Oregon (6 good years) I witnessed
quite a few occasions of combined nudity and ultimate. The thing is,
in every prior case, there were laughs, giggles, guffaws, etc. Never,
not once, was there any blowback. Everybody took it in good spirits,
got a kick out of it, or went about their day normally. Who cares if
they're on double-secret probation, that was for partying and moving
violations. There was nothing in anybody's experience (based on the
empirical fact that naked points in previous years, at Sectionals, at
schools that weren't UO) that would even suggest that a naked point
would lead to a complaint, let alone a cancellation of a season.

h
Re: Oregon Update [message #21562 is a reply to message #21554] Tue, 28 April 2009 08:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stevepetersonsmail
Messages: 222
Registered: March 2009
Senior Member
On Apr 28, 11:07 am, Dan Anderson <danfrisbee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009136584_w ebnudity2...

I've read all this stuff on RSD and the linked article above and tried
to be objective. If I was sitting in those seats on the board I would
have likely come to same conclusion. Repeat offenders multiple times
with seemingly no ability to learn from their previous experiences and/
or show any real remorse about their actions. Sometimes I have
employees like that but just not for a very long time.

Peterson
Re: Oregon Update [message #21569 is a reply to message #21562] Tue, 28 April 2009 08:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacob
Messages: 576
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
This whole "Omega" and "double secret probation" reference is very
interesting, as Animal House was filmed on the U of O campus .... or
maybe you guys already knew this.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21573 is a reply to message #21558] Tue, 28 April 2009 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
faddy
Messages: 310
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Apr 28, 11:16 am, H <ahalv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 9:08 am, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 28, 10:56 am, pinto <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hrmph.  It's a shame that Oregon got busted, what with them being on
> > > double-secret probation and all.
>
> > > It's also a shame that our friends from North Carolina are a bunch of
> > > Omegas, if you catch my drift.  Maybe Toad can be Neidermyer.
>
> > > Never played a nekkid point in my life, but I did streak a campus
> > > green or two back in college.  Probably better to do that kind of
> > > thing on personal time rather than as a team event, but there are far
> > > worse things that a team could do.  A season cancellation would, to
> > > most non-authoritarians, seem kind of draconian.
>
> > >      ~p
>
> > Pinto, You hit on the head.  They knew they were on double secret
> > probation, and yet a pantless point seemed the thing to do.  I have
> > sympathy, but no empathy or pity.  Draconian measures would be to
> > terminate their club status.  Based on their history with UofO, this
> > is a slap on the wrist.
>
> The thing is, this isn't the first pantsless point that Oregon has
> ever played.  During my tenure at Oregon (6 good years) I witnessed
> quite a few occasions of combined nudity and ultimate.  The thing is,
> in every prior case, there were laughs, giggles, guffaws, etc.  Never,
> not once, was there any blowback.  Everybody took it in good spirits,
> got a kick out of it, or went about their day normally.  Who cares if
> they're on double-secret probation, that was for partying and moving
> violations.  There was nothing in anybody's experience (based on the
> empirical fact that naked points in previous years, at Sectionals, at
> schools that weren't UO) that would even suggest that a naked point
> would lead to a complaint, let alone a cancellation of a season.
>
> h- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

just a continued pattern of poor judgement/lack of discretion...

you people don't seem to understand that you are REPRESENTING
an institution of higher deucation and it seems they don't want your
behavior to represent them any longer. speed, drink, go naked all you
want, but
not on their dime/under their name, got it?

it's not the "show" you chose to put on, but the stage on which you
chose to do so.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21575 is a reply to message #21569] Tue, 28 April 2009 09:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
donovd
Messages: 240
Registered: April 2009
Senior Member
I'm sure a couple of Oregon football/basketball players have been
caught drinking or speeding but I don't see the school canceling their
seasons.

Also, how does the school know you got caught speeding?

And a word of advice, never affiliate your partying with your club,
that's just dumb, your lucky you were still funded after that. I
think the biggest deal is the drinking and providing to minors, after
that the rest was just enough to push the committee to their ruling.
You guys did deserve some backlash for the party and although I don't
have a problem with the nudity, it is against the law and and that
doesn't help your case. If I had been on the committee I would have
probably argued to cut your funding for the rest of the year at least
though, you guys did some dumb things and there should be some
penalties for that.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21576 is a reply to message #21461] Tue, 28 April 2009 09:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Melissa May
Messages: 39
Registered: October 2008
Member
On Apr 28, 12:06 am, Torre <themadhatta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 12:00 am, Paul Utesch <paute...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From what I understand, the upa does verifications through the school,
> > so you do actually have to have your school's consent to do the UPA
> > series.
>
> correct. paperwork is filed through the schools registar in order to
> verify that all players are current students (and i believe that the
> program/students are in good standing w/ the university).
>
> not sure if there's any history of any schools revoking their teams
> write to play.

When Penn State was suspended in 2005, our Club Sports program called
the UPA and informed them that we would not be allowed to participate
in Sectionals. We found out about the suspension from the Sectional
coordinator before the school had even let us know that anything was
wrong. It was made clear to us that if we attempted to play in the
series anyway, there would be no future for an ultimate program at
Penn State. We ended up losing two seasons because the suspension
wasn't lifted until after sectionals the next year... and all we did
was host a tournament and get some fields muddy.

As much as it sucks not being able to play now, I would try and put on
your best smiling faces, get back on the good side of your club sports
program, and make sure you get your season back for next year and for
future generations of UO ultimate.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21577 is a reply to message #21575] Tue, 28 April 2009 09:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
donovd
Messages: 240
Registered: April 2009
Senior Member
On Apr 28, 12:19 pm, DanD <don...@rpi.edu> wrote:
> I'm sure a couple of Oregon football/basketball players have been
> caught drinking or speeding but I don't see the school canceling their
> seasons.
>
> Also, how does the school know you got caught speeding?
>
> And a word of advice, never affiliate your partying with your club,
> that's just dumb, your lucky you were still funded after that.  I
> think the biggest deal is the drinking and providing to minors, after
> that the rest was just enough to push the committee to their ruling.
> You guys did deserve some backlash for the party and although I don't
> have a problem with the nudity, it is against the law and and that
> doesn't help your case.  If I had been on the committee I would have
> probably argued to cut your funding for the rest of the year at least
> though, you guys did some dumb things and there should be some
> penalties for that.

Oh, I hit send too soon, I was going to add that it really does suck
for your seniors, and I hope you guys can still pull out a miracle and
get back into the series.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21579 is a reply to message #21558] Tue, 28 April 2009 09:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Grant
Messages: 166
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Apr 28, 11:16 am, H <ahalv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 9:08 am, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 28, 10:56 am, pinto <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hrmph.  It's a shame that Oregon got busted, what with them being on
> > > double-secret probation and all.
>
> > > It's also a shame that our friends from North Carolina are a bunch of
> > > Omegas, if you catch my drift.  Maybe Toad can be Neidermyer.
>
> > > Never played a nekkid point in my life, but I did streak a campus
> > > green or two back in college.  Probably better to do that kind of
> > > thing on personal time rather than as a team event, but there are far
> > > worse things that a team could do.  A season cancellation would, to
> > > most non-authoritarians, seem kind of draconian.
>
> > >      ~p
>
> > Pinto, You hit on the head.  They knew they were on double secret
> > probation, and yet a pantless point seemed the thing to do.  I have
> > sympathy, but no empathy or pity.  Draconian measures would be to
> > terminate their club status.  Based on their history with UofO, this
> > is a slap on the wrist.
>
> The thing is, this isn't the first pantsless point that Oregon has
> ever played.  During my tenure at Oregon (6 good years) I witnessed
> quite a few occasions of combined nudity and ultimate.  The thing is,
> in every prior case, there were laughs, giggles, guffaws, etc.  Never,
> not once, was there any blowback.  Everybody took it in good spirits,
> got a kick out of it, or went about their day normally.  Who cares if
> they're on double-secret probation, that was for partying and moving
> violations.  There was nothing in anybody's experience (based on the
> empirical fact that naked points in previous years, at Sectionals, at
> schools that weren't UO) that would even suggest that a naked point
> would lead to a complaint, let alone a cancellation of a season.
>
> h

Yea, for years and years, the ultimate world had to deal with THE Matt
Chaban running around for Oregon Ultimate. God bless the faces on the
BYU sideline at Chico in '04.
Re: Oregon Update [message #21581 is a reply to message #21410] Tue, 28 April 2009 09:35 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
faddy
Messages: 310
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Apr 27, 9:40 pm, Paul Utesch <paute...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 27, 7:05 pm, Wagenwheel <ewagensel...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Anybody know what's up with score-reporter? I just checked to see what
> > the score was in the UofO Ultimate v UofO Club Sports Executive
> > Committee.  Nothing.  Somebody let us know'''
>
> I know it was stupid... but they should get another chance.  They know
> they did something dumb, they now understand the consequences.......
> more dire than they could ever imagine.

they'll definitely get another chance, i'd guess in 2010.
i didn't hear any mention of shelving the program in pepertuity.
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