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Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21087 is a reply to message #21001] Mon, 27 April 2009 01:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ultimatephotography
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> Below is how I envision the incident from an administrator's POV-
>
> A man is teeing up is his golf ball.  He happens to be Club Sports
> Director at the college where the incident occured.  His cell phone
> rings as he's eyeing up his drive.
>
> Boss: Hello?
> Employee: Hey boss, sorry to  bother you but we got an Ultimate
> frisbee team playing out here with no pants on.
> Boss: What do you mean "no pants on", like in their underwear?
> Employee: No, Just shirts, no pants, no underwear.
> Boss:  Men's or women's.
> Employee: Men's
> Boss:  Ohhhhh.
> Employee:  Yeah.
> Boss: Who?
> Employee: Oregon
> Boss: You're kidding? (Beat as he looks at his golf ball then at his
> buddies that are giving him an evil eye to get off the phone and hit
> the ball)  Shit.  Alright.  Lemme make a call.  Thanks.
>
> Cut to the U of O Club Sports Director cooking out with family and
> friends having a few laughs on a beautiful weekend. When his phone
> rings.
>
> Boss: Hey Tim, this is Boss from that school one hour from U of O.
> Tim: Hey Boss, What's up?
> Boss: Your Ultimate frisbee team is playing without pants down here.
> Tim: In there underwear?
> Boss: No.  Apparently just shirts.
> Tim:  Men's or Women's team
> Boss:  Men's
> Tim:  Ohhhh.
> Boss:  That's what I said.
> Tim:  Wow. (Beat as we see his grill flare and burn his burgers.  He
> almost drops the phone) That's stupid.  I'll take care of it right
> away.  Thanks for the heads up.
>
> Cut to Tim dialing the AD's number.  AD is at an Oregon Baseball game
> entertaining Alumni and other people that are actually important, when
> his phone rings.
>
> AD:  Hello?
> Tim:  Hey AD.  Sorry to bother you..
> AD:  Yeah, the Sazzenberrgs are thinking of starting an endowed
> scholarhship here.  This better be important
> Tim:  Well we had a little incident with some ultimate frisbee players
> down at the college about 1 hour from here.
> AD:  Yes, and?  Nobody gives a shit about Ultimate.  Oh shit, the
> Sazzenberrgs just looked at me (he smiles)
> Tim:  It seems that they were playing Ultimate...
> AD:  Listen, I don't care what they were doing...unless they were
> playing nude I don't want to be bothered with it.
> Tim:  They were playing nude.
> AD: (Pause)  Oh.  (he thinks for a moment)  Men's or Women's
> Tim:  Men's.
> AD: Ohhh.
> Tim:  (You see him get ready to say something but he resists.)
> AD:  Well, fire them.
> Tim:  Sir, I can't fire them, they don't work for us, they're
> students.
> AD:  Well take away their goddamn frisbees...or the fields...or the
> whole damn club, I don't care, just take care of it or you'll be
> lining the fields again for the next decade!
> Tim:  Yessir.  Good luck with the Sazzenberrgs.
> AD:  Up yours..
>
> AND SCENE...
>
> And that my friends is how it all went down on the infamous day in U
> of O Ultimate history.
>
> Copyright Wagenwheel Entertainment 2009 (C)

while i like the fact that we're pushing the envelope in turns
of the discourse on this blog, i'm not sure that i'm really
getting much differentiation between these characters.
it's like they are all the same person. i see one
guy talking to himself over and over again. although,
if you intended white, about 50, thickset, thinning hair,
you've got that one character down pretty good.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21090 is a reply to message #21087] Mon, 27 April 2009 02:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
carick15
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in opposition to the "you broke the law, now deal with the
consequences" tones that are flying around here,
do the people expressing this sentiment play on teams who don't drink
alcohol with minors or smoke weed?

Not that i'm advocating public nudity (i don't care) but to reduce
crime and punishment to those strict words is acting "above" those
people who break the law. In reality, we all break rules, though not
everyone breaks nudity codes.

Unable to understand why some can't find sympathy for oregon's
situation-
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21093 is a reply to message #20930] Mon, 27 April 2009 04:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Apr 26, 7:14 pm, waldowal...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Apr 26, 6:10 pm, ulticri...@live.com wrote:> word!  i cant believe OU would appeal to rsd for support on this
> > matter.  Interesting how they convienently left that "streaking" part
> > out on the initial post too.  I think that a study revealed that 90%
> > of people lie by ommision every day.
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Hell, I'm lying by omission right now about my own pants-wearing
> status.

are you also getting kicked out sof somthing for not doing so......and
appealing to us to come to your aid? didnt think so.
------------------------------------------------------------ ---
>
> I'm in full support of Ego here. People need to lighten up. It sucks
> to see a great team and a great season ruined just because they like
> to joke around a bit.

maybe its sucks that they need to joke around a bit. i'm speculating
here, but i'm thinkin that was the ou admins take.
------------------------------------------------------------ -----



If you don't want to see it, then don't watch
> it--this seems like a huge overreaction to me.


overreaction or not i dont think its all that likely that too many
other ultimate teams will be pulling such a useless prank in the
future.



.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21095 is a reply to message #20937] Mon, 27 April 2009 04:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Apr 26, 7:26 pm, "moremailforsc...@yahoo.com"
>
> excellent point!  the players involved surely are in favor of self
> officiating.  people who prefer to play with referees do not do dumb
> things.


well an argument can be made as to whether this kinda thing (gettin
naked while playing ulti) is a spirit zealot thing or just a west
coast thing. Either way its a stupid thing so i guess one can just
take their pick.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21096 is a reply to message #20971] Mon, 27 April 2009 04:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Apr 26, 8:45 pm, Gary LeDonne <ultima...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> How does the university keep them from attending Regionals?   Do they
> sanction their attendance to every event?  I really don't get it, how
> would the university even know if you attended Regionals/Nationals?
>
> On Apr 26, 1:57 pm, Gary LeDonne <ultima...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > How can they keep the team from attending tournaments?
>
> > On Apr 25, 9:17 pm, kminderh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > The University of Oregon club sports Executive Committee ruled on
> > > Friday to end Oregon's season.
>
> > > We have an appeal hearing this Monday, and we'd like your support.
> > > Obviously, you can't be there, but we'd like to present our Club
> > > Sports program with testimonials from people in the ultimate community
> > > who know us and our spirit.
>
> > > We want to show that Men's Ultimate Frisbee is a positive force for
> > > the University of Oregon, and losing it is a loss for our entire
> > > community.
>
> > > Anyone who would like to share their support for Oregon Ultimate can e-
> > > mail Freshy K at kminderh (at) uoregon (dot) edu.
>
> > > Yours in ultimate,
>
> > > Ego- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

ita probably more a matter of financial support, field provision and
basic university association. Oh, and good luck getting the registrar
to sign off for them when sectionals come along.

And isnt this blws' old college. sure would be interesting to get his
take on the matter. maybe they'll do a write up in the huddle about
it?
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21097 is a reply to message #21087] Mon, 27 April 2009 04:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wagenwheel
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On Apr 27, 4:24 am, bil <ultimatephotogra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Below is how I envision the incident from an administrator's POV-
>
> > A man is teeing up is his golf ball.  He happens to be Club Sports
> > Director at the college where the incident occured.  His cell phone
> > rings as he's eyeing up his drive.
>
> > Boss: Hello?
> > Employee: Hey boss, sorry to  bother you but we got an Ultimate
> > frisbee team playing out here with no pants on.
> > Boss: What do you mean "no pants on", like in their underwear?
> > Employee: No, Just shirts, no pants, no underwear.
> > Boss:  Men's or women's.
> > Employee: Men's
> > Boss:  Ohhhhh.
> > Employee:  Yeah.
> > Boss: Who?
> > Employee: Oregon
> > Boss: You're kidding? (Beat as he looks at his golf ball then at his
> > buddies that are giving him an evil eye to get off the phone and hit
> > the ball)  Shit.  Alright.  Lemme make a call.  Thanks.
>
> > Cut to the U of O Club Sports Director cooking out with family and
> > friends having a few laughs on a beautiful weekend. When his phone
> > rings.
>
> > Boss: Hey Tim, this is Boss from that school one hour from U of O.
> > Tim: Hey Boss, What's up?
> > Boss: Your Ultimate frisbee team is playing without pants down here.
> > Tim: In there underwear?
> > Boss: No.  Apparently just shirts.
> > Tim:  Men's or Women's team
> > Boss:  Men's
> > Tim:  Ohhhh.
> > Boss:  That's what I said.
> > Tim:  Wow. (Beat as we see his grill flare and burn his burgers.  He
> > almost drops the phone) That's stupid.  I'll take care of it right
> > away.  Thanks for the heads up.
>
> > Cut to Tim dialing the AD's number.  AD is at an Oregon Baseball game
> > entertaining Alumni and other people that are actually important, when
> > his phone rings.
>
> > AD:  Hello?
> > Tim:  Hey AD.  Sorry to bother you..
> > AD:  Yeah, the Sazzenberrgs are thinking of starting an endowed
> > scholarhship here.  This better be important
> > Tim:  Well we had a little incident with some ultimate frisbee players
> > down at the college about 1 hour from here.
> > AD:  Yes, and?  Nobody gives a shit about Ultimate.  Oh shit, the
> > Sazzenberrgs just looked at me (he smiles)
> > Tim:  It seems that they were playing Ultimate...
> > AD:  Listen, I don't care what they were doing...unless they were
> > playing nude I don't want to be bothered with it.
> > Tim:  They were playing nude.
> > AD: (Pause)  Oh.  (he thinks for a moment)  Men's or Women's
> > Tim:  Men's.
> > AD: Ohhh.
> > Tim:  (You see him get ready to say something but he resists.)
> > AD:  Well, fire them.
> > Tim:  Sir, I can't fire them, they don't work for us, they're
> > students.
> > AD:  Well take away their goddamn frisbees...or the fields...or the
> > whole damn club, I don't care, just take care of it or you'll be
> > lining the fields again for the next decade!
> > Tim:  Yessir.  Good luck with the Sazzenberrgs.
> > AD:  Up yours..
>
> > AND SCENE...
>
> > And that my friends is how it all went down on the infamous day in U
> > of O Ultimate history.
>
> > Copyright Wagenwheel Entertainment 2009 (C)
>
> while i like the fact that we're pushing the envelope in turns
> of the discourse on this blog, i'm not sure that i'm really
> getting much differentiation between these characters.
> it's like they are all the same person. i see one
> guy talking to himself over and over again. although,
> if you intended white, about 50, thickset, thinning hair,
> you've got that one character down pretty good.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bil,

Bingo. BOSS and AD are essentially the same person (45-55 with a
knack for shmoozing and saying yes). Tim and Employee are the same
person (30-40 with a Masters in Recreation), the poor unfortunate
souls that have to sit out there and monitor frisbee and other field
events. The characters are identical at every university in
administration. There is no diferrentiating between characters. They
all tow the line and make decisions that will take the least amount of
heat from their bosses.

Folks, Ultimate at most universities is a blip on the proverbial radar
of the administration. They HATE dealing with this type of stuff.
It's embarassing and not worth their time. The last thing U of O
should do is get a bunch of frisbee teams to inundate the
administration with emails voicing their support. What they do need
to do is protest naked on the Chancellor's front lawn, that'll show
em.

Now, as for the hypocrisy that my good friend Yahcob spoke, yes we are
all hypocrites. However, my illegal misgivings have never once
involved playing with just a shirt at a sectional event. If the
school didn't enforce measures against the team, the UPA should have.

The best shot for U of O is to have the parents that were in
attendance, preferably those who are donors to the University, appeal
on their knuckleheads kids behalf.

Save that shit for Potlatch, goofballs.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21098 is a reply to message #21063] Mon, 27 April 2009 04:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Apr 27, 12:48 am, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not going to name names, but I have "seen" some people who have
> posted critically of U of O on this thread do things far more illegal
> at ultimate tournaments than expose their genitals.  And I have "seen'
> their teammates join in these activities.  There but for the grace of
> god and a few years go we ...
>
> Whether the naked game was a smart decision of a good thing for
> ultimate are questions I won't address, but let's not be hypocrites in
> the process of answering these questions, gents.

i KNOW you aint alking about me here.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21100 is a reply to message #21063] Mon, 27 April 2009 04:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
faddy
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On Apr 27, 12:48 am, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not going to name names, but I have "seen" some people who have
> posted critically of U of O on this thread do things far more illegal
> at ultimate tournaments than expose their genitals.  And I have "seen'
> their teammates join in these activities.  There but for the grace of
> god and a few years go we ...
>
> Whether the naked game was a smart decision of a good thing for
> ultimate are questions I won't address, but let's not be hypocrites in
> the process of answering these questions, gents.

true, but i always tried to hide when i smoked weed on the fields, or
at least to be discreet.
running around nekkid is hardly trying to be discreet.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21101 is a reply to message #21090] Mon, 27 April 2009 04:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Apr 27, 5:46 am, rickst <caric...@gmail.com> wrote:
> in opposition to the "you broke the law, now deal with the
> consequences" tones that are flying around here,
> do the people expressing this sentiment play on teams who don't drink
> alcohol with minors or smoke weed?

maybe, but i might be that we understand the concept of being
"inconsicuous". where as ou flourished their prank. See the
difference?
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------
>
> Not that i'm advocating public nudity (i don't care) but to reduce
> crime and punishment to those strict words is acting "above" those
> people who break the law.  In reality, we all break rules, though not
> everyone breaks nudity codes.
>
> Unable to understand why some can't find sympathy for oregon's
> situation-

because 1) they asked for our support prior to revealing WHY they were
gettin snubbed and 2) it gives the sport a bad name. so fuck em.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21105 is a reply to message #21100] Mon, 27 April 2009 05:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> true, but i always tried to hide when i smoked weed on the fields, or
> at least to be discreet.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---i like to run around neckid WHILE smoking weed in the middle of a
field......is that wrong?
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21106 is a reply to message #21100] Mon, 27 April 2009 05:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
faddy
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On Apr 27, 7:55 am, buggle <tbug...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 27, 12:48 am, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm not going to name names, but I have "seen" some people who have
> > posted critically of U of O on this thread do things far more illegal
> > at ultimate tournaments than expose their genitals.  And I have "seen'
> > their teammates join in these activities.  There but for the grace of
> > god and a few years go we ...
>
> > Whether the naked game was a smart decision of a good thing for
> > ultimate are questions I won't address, but let's not be hypocrites in
> > the process of answering these questions, gents.
>
> true, but i always tried to hide when i smoked weed on the fields, or
> at least to be discreet.
> running around nekkid is hardly trying to be discreet.

shit, i always called out the "fags" wearing skirts and dresses
(except for the early 90's Vicious Cycle, they'd were neglige's and
army helmets and kick your ass while puking). why in the hell would a
team of dudes want to play against dudes flopping their junk around?

when i played alot, our teammates made SURE that they all knew whoever
was covering/being covered by the goofy looking idiot.
"you better not let that goober touch it, much less in the end zone!"

i'm at a loss here. hope it was fun.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21108 is a reply to message #21105] Mon, 27 April 2009 05:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
faddy
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On Apr 27, 8:29 am, ageric...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > true, but i always tried to hide when i smoked weed on the fields, or
> > at least to be discreet.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ---i like to run around neckid WHILE smoking weed in the middle of a
> field......is that wrong?

only if you're wearing the orange shirt.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21119 is a reply to message #21108] Mon, 27 April 2009 06:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacob
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"if you do something illegal you need to also need to recognize your
actions can have negative consequences. If these other people were
doing illegal things, getting in trouble for them, saying they don't
deserve their punishment, and THEN faulting Ego, then yeah they're
hypocrites.

What if their team may have had its season ended by the administration
had they been caught back in the day and this likely would have been a
decision the players would have had difficulty accepting, but they
were lucky/smart enough not to have gotten caught? Would their
current "law and order/the world is a black and white place" now make
them a bit hypocritical?

"But at the end of the day you've got to own up to your mistakes."

So you've never fought a ticket for a moving violation? "Owning up" to
a mistake is not the same thing as accepting the exact penalty
immediately handed down. You can "own up" by admitting that you made
a mistake while also lobbying for a lighter punishment, especially
where there may not have been explicit notice regarding specific
consequences for specific actions.

"Maybe canceling the season is overboard but that's really the
administration's call isn't it?"

As a practical matter, yes. There are very few legal options for
students who wish to challenge their school's administration. As an
ethical matter, U of O's administration should wield this power
carefully.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21120 is a reply to message #21119] Mon, 27 April 2009 06:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacob
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"i see one guy talking to himself over and over again. although, if
you intended white, about 50, thickset, thinning hair"

Ah, Bil ... wait until you start practicing law (unless you do some
sort of public interest work).
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21123 is a reply to message #21120] Mon, 27 April 2009 06:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacob
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"i always tried to hide when i smoked weed on the fields, or at least
to be discreet."

Then your first post should have read something like this:
"I, like the current U of O players, broke the law while representing
my school at ultimate tournaments. Probably because I was more
careful than they while breaking the law, I was never caught and thus
never punished. Had I been caught, even if it was right before my
team was ready to contend for a national title, we would have
completely accepted our school's decision to prematurely end our
season. Because when you get caught breaking a rule, any rule, the
right thing to do is accept whatever punishment is handed down by the
powers that be, even where that exact punishment may not have been
spelled out at the time of infraction."

Or did I misread you, Troy?
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21124 is a reply to message #21119] Mon, 27 April 2009 06:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
faddy
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On Apr 27, 9:04 am, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "if you do something illegal you need to also need to recognize your
> actions can have negative consequences. If these other people were
> doing illegal things, getting in trouble for them, saying they don't
> deserve their punishment, and THEN faulting Ego, then yeah they're
> hypocrites.
>
> What if their team may have had its season ended by the administration
> had they been caught back in the day and this likely would have been a
> decision the players would have had difficulty accepting, but they
> were lucky/smart enough not to have gotten caught?  Would their
> current "law and order/the world is a black and white place" now make
> them a bit hypocritical?
>
> "But at the end of the day you've got to own up to your mistakes."
>
> So you've never fought a ticket for a moving violation? "Owning up" to
> a mistake is not the same thing as accepting the exact penalty
> immediately handed down.  You can "own up" by admitting that you made
> a mistake while also lobbying for a lighter punishment, especially
> where there may not have been explicit notice regarding specific
> consequences for specific actions.
>
> "Maybe canceling the season is overboard but that's really the
> administration's call isn't it?"
>
> As a practical matter, yes.  There are very few legal options for
> students who wish to challenge their school's administration.  As an
> ethical matter, U of O's administration should wield this power
> carefully.

Jacob,

Yes, many of us coulda/shoulda/woulda, BUT we (those that i ran with)
wouldn't have "petitioned", if you will, for support after doing so.
That's all I'm sayin'...
well, mostly anyhow.

but we CERTAINLY would have tried to lighten the punishment.
need to be creative and do things like kick all the seniors off the
team (blame them, they can martyr for the program!).
go the admin. with some self served "penalties" and beg on their own.
i personally think they were stupid
(i'm sorry, can't get behind the playing nekkid thing....???),
got caught and i'm NOT gonna
e-mail whomever for some kinda mercy rule. i just don't give a shit.

if it was the seamen, i'd send a nice letter, a bottle of wine and a
donation!!!
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21146 is a reply to message #20869] Mon, 27 April 2009 07:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
werbs
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On Apr 26, 2:34 pm, Joe Buck <birdf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I bet Dusty is pissed at you guys.
>
> I also bet it was Werb's idea.

definitely not my idea... i've never been to oregon.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21166 is a reply to message #21123] Mon, 27 April 2009 08:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
faddy
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On Apr 27, 9:17 am, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "i always tried to hide when i smoked weed on the fields, or at least
> to be discreet."
>
> Then your first post should have read something like this:
> "I, like the current U of O players, broke the law while representing
> my school at ultimate tournaments.  Probably because I was more
> careful than they while breaking the law, I was never caught and thus
> never punished.  Had I been caught, even if it was right before my
> team was ready to contend for a national title, we would have
> completely accepted our school's decision to prematurely end our
> season.  Because when you get caught breaking a rule, any rule, the
> right thing to do is accept whatever punishment is handed down by the
> powers that be, even where that exact punishment may not have been
> spelled out at the time of infraction."
>
> Or did I misread you, Troy?

jacob, you got it right. you studied all this crap, not me.
if you get busted, i'll help with bail, but i don't need to hear
any whining from the ducks about nekkidness. sorry.

but, your logic is better than mine in general, to be sure.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21169 is a reply to message #21090] Mon, 27 April 2009 08:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
faddy
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On Apr 27, 5:46 am, rickst <caric...@gmail.com> wrote:
> in opposition to the "you broke the law, now deal with the
> consequences" tones that are flying around here,
> do the people expressing this sentiment play on teams who don't drink
> alcohol with minors or smoke weed?
>
> Not that i'm advocating public nudity (i don't care) but to reduce
> crime and punishment to those strict words is acting "above" those
> people who break the law.  In reality, we all break rules, though not
> everyone breaks nudity codes.
>
> Unable to understand why some can't find sympathy for oregon's
> situation-

sympathy, yes.
at the same time, we all gotta realize reality at some point.
now..........am i supposed to fly out to Eugene and protest
on the Chancellors lawn or what?
Easy come, easy go. Sorry, but nudity (and i personally have no
problem with it in the proper setting) is NOT discreet. Ask and you
shall receive.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21184 is a reply to message #21123] Mon, 27 April 2009 08:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Apr 27, 9:17 am, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "i always tried to hide when i smoked weed on the fields, or at least
> to be discreet."
>
> Then your first post should have read something like this:
> "I, like the current U of O players, broke the law while representing
> my school at ultimate tournaments.  Probably because I was more
> careful than they while breaking the law, I was never caught and thus
> never punished.  Had I been caught, even if it was right before my
> team was ready to contend for a national title, we would have
> completely accepted our school's decision to prematurely end our
> season.  Because when you get caught breaking a rule, any rule, the
> right thing to do is accept whatever punishment is handed down by the
> powers that be, even where that exact punishment may not have been
> spelled out at the time of infraction."
>
> Or did I misread you, Troy?

misread.......its the nature of the crime thats the issue. The nature
of streaking is a direct challenge and taunt to those in charge of
policing the ou students behavior. Now if they went onto the middle
of the field and had a little potfest smoke-in rather than playing the
final point, THAT would be just as stupid and would probably result in
the same type of punishment. AND they probably wouldnt get a whole
lot of sympathey from us discreet users.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21198 is a reply to message #21090] Mon, 27 April 2009 09:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
caseyboy24
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On Apr 27, 4:46 am, rickst <caric...@gmail.com> wrote:
> in opposition to the "you broke the law, now deal with the
> consequences" tones that are flying around here,
> do the people expressing this sentiment play on teams who don't drink
> alcohol with minors or smoke weed?
>
> Not that i'm advocating public nudity (i don't care) but to reduce
> crime and punishment to those strict words is acting "above" those
> people who break the law.  In reality, we all break rules, though not
> everyone breaks nudity codes.
>
> Unable to understand why some can't find sympathy for oregon's
> situation-

Batta Bing Batta Boom... this is how the South does it

gettin drunk on the reg, gettin high on the reg, partyin on the reg...
we're cool dudes.

for real though if you're being a hater on here and saying all this
shit about how they deserve it, then you're an asshole and probably
have a future in being an Athletic Director. If you're living in 2009
and own a television then you've probably seen 1000 times worse than
some tiny ego dicks (just joking i'm sure you're all hung like
donkeys)... grow the fuck up. They said there were no minors present
and even if there was, who the fuck cares, they're gonna see someone
naked somewhere (if you really think you can shelter kids nowadays
then you're more insane than a woman on her period)

although I will give the haters this: if you're already on a short
leash don't tempt anyone. The program I play for was fined by our
university for some shit that wasn't even our doing, so we made sure
we were on our best behavior until our probabtion was over (at least
when we were in public) Should have been smarter than that, but I
definitely don't think it deserves the punishment of losing university
support, ultimate means a lot to these kids and having some fun
shouldn't take away the hard work they put into this season.

casey boy
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21206 is a reply to message #21198] Mon, 27 April 2009 09:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
faddy
Messages: 310
Registered: September 2008
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On Apr 27, 12:32 pm, Casey Boy <caseybo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Batta Bing Batta Boom... this is how the South does it
>
> gettin drunk on the reg, gettin high on the reg, partyin on the reg...
> we're cool dudes.
>
> for real though if you're being a hater on here and saying all this
> shit about how they deserve it, then you're an asshole and probably
> have a future in being an Athletic Director.  If you're living in 2009
> and own a television then you've probably seen 1000 times worse than
> some tiny ego dicks (just joking i'm sure you're all hung like
> donkeys)... grow the fuck up.  They said there were no minors present
> and even if there was, who the fuck cares, they're gonna see someone
> naked somewhere (if you really think you can shelter kids nowadays
> then you're more insane than a woman on her period)
>
> although I will give the haters this: if you're already on a short
> leash don't tempt anyone.  The program I play for was fined by our
> university for some shit that wasn't even our doing, so we made sure
> we were on our best behavior until our probabtion was over (at least
> when we were in public) Should have been smarter than that, but I
> definitely don't think it deserves the punishment of losing university
> support, ultimate means a lot to these kids and having some fun
> shouldn't take away the hard work they put into this season.
>
> casey boy

it's not about hate.

it is about accountability.

maybe it goes like this.......been in trouble before. dealt with it.
am better for it.
now they will have to go and do the same. and yes, i encourage them to
take every means possible to lessen the penalty. such is life. but
don't cry to the masses.
please.

"i got problems of my own"
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21209 is a reply to message #21198] Mon, 27 April 2009 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ulticritic
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On Apr 27, 12:32 pm, Casey Boy <caseybo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> for real though if you're being a hater on here and saying all this
> shit about how they deserve it, then you're an asshole and probably
> have a future in being an Athletic Director.

thats not so bad. what do you sympathizers have a future of being?
social workers?
-----------------------------------------------------------


 If you're living in 2009
> and own a television then you've probably seen 1000 times worse than
> some tiny ego dicks (just joking i'm sure you're all hung like
> donkeys)... grow the fuck up.  They said there were no minors present
> and even if there was, who the fuck cares, they're gonna see someone
> naked somewhere (if you really think you can shelter kids nowadays
> then you're more insane than a woman on her period)

it not stupid because you could jepordize a childs purity......its
stupid because you jepordize your status at the university.
------------------------------------------------------------ -----------------
>
> although I will give the haters this: if you're already on a short
> leash don't tempt anyone.

yea, kinda a no brainer
------------------------------------------------


 The program I play for was fined by our
> university for some shit that wasn't even our doing, so we made sure
> we were on our best behavior until our probabtion was over (at least
> when we were in public) Should have been smarter than that, but I
> definitely don't think it deserves the punishment of losing university
> support, ultimate means a lot to these kids and having some fun
> shouldn't take away the hard work they put into this season.

unfortunatley it seems there are other factors that may have been
ommited that help lead to this? full disclosur.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21222 is a reply to message #21106] Mon, 27 April 2009 10:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jessicav.huynh
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Junior Member
this article adds some insight to the administrative process and the
details of the infractions that are being appealed:

http://media.www.dailyemerald.com/media/storage/paper859/new s/2009/04/27/News/Club-Frisbee.Team.To.Appeal.Decision.To.Ca ncel.Season-3726786.shtml


- Venus
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21225 is a reply to message #21209] Mon, 27 April 2009 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Andrew MacEwan
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Was it the A or the B team that was the no shirts team? Whatever one
it was seems to have some sort of argument that they should still be
able to compete.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21229 is a reply to message #21222] Mon, 27 April 2009 10:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
H
Messages: 249
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
I would imagine this part of the article is incorrect:
"Then on April 11, the club's 'A' and 'B' teams were scheduled to play
each other at a sectional tournament in Corvallis, but decided not to
because of their familiarity with each other. Instead of a full game,
a decision was made to play for one point to decide the game, with one
team playing without shirts and the other playing without any pants or
underwear."
as that would immediately disqualify both teams from further
competition in the championship series.

In addition, IIRC nudity on state property in Oregon is entirely
legal. It's typically applied for state parks/nude beaches, but OSU's
campus would seem to apply?

Quick searching for Oregon nudity laws seemed to back that up. In
order for public exposure of one's genitals to be public indecency
there has to be intent to arouse oneself or others.

h

On Apr 27, 11:30 am, Venus <jessicav.hu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> this article adds some insight to the administrative process and the
> details of the infractions that are being appealed:
>
> http://media.www.dailyemerald.com/media/storage/paper859/new s/2009/04...
>
> - Venus
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21230 is a reply to message #21209] Mon, 27 April 2009 10:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacob
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Toad: "misread......."

Speaking of misread, I was asking Troy if I had misread him, I was not
asking you. If you scroll up, you'll see I did read him correctly.

"its the nature of the crime thats the issue."

Well, you are half right here. It is the nature of the crime which
leads to your lack of sympathy for the U of o team (although this was
no completely clear from your earlier post where you stated you did
not sympathize because playing naked "gives the sport a bad name" -
The same argument could be made about drinking beer and smoking pot at
tournaments, even doing so "discreetly."). However, assuming the news
article is accurate, the team was suspended for its behavior in
totality, including infractions of a more "discreet" nature which may
not have even occurred at tournaments at all.

"The nature of streaking is a direct challenge and taunt to those in
charge of policing the ou students behavior."

Some people just think it's fun to get naked. These guys probably did
not think this would get back to the powers-that-be, and it would not
have but for one uptight chump student filling out a complaint. So
while the nudity presented a challenge to the administration once it
became aware it occurred, it's a stretch to characterize the nudity as
a "taunt."

"Now if they went onto the middle of the field and had a little pot
fest smoke-in ... THAT would be just as stupid and would probably
result in the same type of punishment. AND they probably wouldn't get
a whole lot of sympathey from us discreet users."

So would you defend the U of O players if they had been suspended
after being caught smoking a joint in the woods behind the fields?
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21232 is a reply to message #21230] Mon, 27 April 2009 11:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacob
Messages: 576
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
"IIRC nudity on state property in Oregon is entirely legal."

This is not really a legal issue. Tina Snodgrass, who plays on the U
of O women's team, seems to have abstained from the voting partly
based on her apparently incorrect belief that the nudity was illegal.
However, even if she had voted to back her boys up (oh, Tina), there
was already a majority (3 out of 5) vote to suspend. Other than one
quote from Tina, the article makes no mention of illegality of
nudity. The university has a great deal of discretion with regards to
punishing behavior it disapproves of, even legal behavior, unless free
speech rights are implicated, which does not appear to be the case
here.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21239 is a reply to message #21230] Mon, 27 April 2009 11:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
faddy
Messages: 310
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Apr 27, 1:56 pm, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Toad: "misread......."
>
> Speaking of misread, I was asking Troy if I had misread him, I was not
> asking you.  If you scroll up, you'll see I did read him correctly.
>
> "its the nature of the crime thats the issue."
>
> Well, you are half right here.  It is the nature of the crime which
> leads to your lack of sympathy for the U of o team (although this was
> no completely clear from your earlier post where you stated you did
> not sympathize because playing naked "gives the sport a bad name" -
> The same argument could be made about drinking beer and smoking pot at
> tournaments, even doing so "discreetly.").  However, assuming the news
> article is accurate, the team was suspended for its behavior in
> totality, including infractions of a more "discreet" nature which may
> not have even occurred at tournaments at all.
>
> "The nature of streaking is a direct challenge and taunt to those in
> charge of policing the ou students behavior."
>
> Some people just think it's fun to get naked.  These guys probably did
> not think this would get back to the powers-that-be, and it would not
> have but for one uptight chump student filling out a complaint.  So
> while the nudity presented a challenge to the administration once it
> became aware it occurred, it's a stretch to characterize the nudity as
> a "taunt."
>
> "Now if they went onto the middle of the field and had a little pot
> fest smoke-in ... THAT would be just as stupid and would probably
> result in the same type of punishment.  AND they probably wouldn't get
> a whole lot of sympathey from us discreet users."
>
> So would you defend the U of O players if they had been suspended
> after being caught smoking a joint in the woods behind the fields?

no, he wouldn't. but at least they would have showed some form of
discretion (did i spell that right?).

there's a difference between rubbing one out in front of the computer
versus rubbing one out in the city park. you follow me here, jacob?
they chose to rub one out in the city park.

and i'd hack you again on that long throw at Stanford. it was the
right thing to do!!
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21257 is a reply to message #21232] Mon, 27 April 2009 11:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
may.egotime
Messages: 3
Registered: April 2009
Junior Member
There are some important details that have been left out of this
discussion. First of all, the point in question was played between
rounds and was not actually part of any sectionals game. Subsequent to
the part-naked point (consisting of seven shorts-only Oregon-B players
and five shirts-only Oregon-A players), a full game was played to
decide the winner of the scheduled Oregon-A vs Oregon-B game.

Additionally, the field on which we played this point was relatively
secluded, being bordered by trees on two sides and mostly-windowless
non-residential campus buildings on the other two sides.

I don't think anyone on Oregon would contend that our actions were in
any way wise, especially given the fact that we were on a "short
leash" with the Club Sports department, as many of you have correctly
assumed. However, I don't think the 60 or more members of the Oregon
Ultimate program should be punished for the actions of exactly 12 of
its members (and only 5 if you consider the only violation to be
genital exposure -- which is not illegal in Oregon w/o an explicit
sexual intent, by my understanding of the Public Indecency law (ORS
163.465)).

The people who decided to end our season are students. We believe that
they will respond in our favor if enough community support comes our
way. Five hours remain before our appeal -- If you have any reason to
think that we should be allowed to continue to play ultimate this
year, please send your support to the address at the beginning of this
thread. Thank you.

-Dozer
EGO #12
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21259 is a reply to message #21239] Mon, 27 April 2009 12:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacob
Messages: 576
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'there's a difference between rubbing one out in front of the computer
versus rubbing one out in the city park. you follow me here, jacob?"

Well, I'm not familiar with the phrase "rubbing one out", so this is a
bit confusing. I'll just assume from context that "rubbing one put"
is an activity which most would find offensive if done in public.
Your analogy would work much better if you switched "rubbing one out
in front of the computer" (I'm assuming you are talking about one's
home computer, whilst one has one's window drapes closed) with
"discreetly rubbing one out behind a tree in the woods." After all, I
doubt that the "discreet" marijuana smoking which has been discussed
on this thread has referred to smoking at home- I believe we were
talking about breaking the law, albeit discreetly, while at
tournaments. (Let me please clarify that I am not accusing you ever
having rubbed one out behind a tree in the woods- as I have stated, I
don't even know what that is ... the rubbing one out part .... I know
what a tree is.)

"they chose to rub one out in the city park."

Being naked and masturbating (I mean, "rubbing one out," which I am
unfamiliar with) are not the same thing.

"and i'd hack you again on that long throw at Stanford. it was the
right thing to do!!"

Yes, as I recall, your team won nationals that year, so you must have
done something right. Could it have been your strict fitness regimen
between regionals and nationals?
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21276 is a reply to message #21259] Mon, 27 April 2009 12:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wagenwheel
Messages: 323
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Apr 27, 3:00 pm, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 'there's a difference between rubbing one out in front of the computer
> versus rubbing one out in the city park. you follow me here, jacob?"
>
> Well, I'm not familiar with the phrase "rubbing one out", so this is a
> bit confusing.  I'll just assume from context that "rubbing one put"
> is an activity which most would find offensive if done in public.
> Your analogy would work much better if you switched "rubbing one out
> in front of the computer" (I'm assuming you are talking about one's
> home computer, whilst one has one's window drapes closed) with
> "discreetly rubbing one out behind a tree in the woods."  After all, I
> doubt that the "discreet" marijuana smoking which has been discussed
> on this thread has referred to smoking at home- I believe we were
> talking about breaking the law, albeit discreetly, while at
> tournaments.  (Let me please clarify that I am not accusing you ever
> having rubbed one out behind a tree in the woods- as I have stated, I
> don't even know what that is ... the rubbing one out part .... I know
> what a tree is.)
>
> "they chose to rub one out in the city park."
>
> Being naked and masturbating (I mean, "rubbing one out," which I am
> unfamiliar with) are not the same thing.
>
> "and i'd hack you again on that long throw at Stanford. it was the
> right thing to do!!"
>
> Yes, as I recall, your team won nationals that year, so you must have
> done something right.  Could it have been your strict fitness regimen
> between regionals and nationals?

You should have the season suspended for leading the public to believe
that playing nude is part of the Ultimate culture! Is no one else
bothered by that statement? Yes at Worlds I saw a couple of womens
teams play a nude point, but that's it and that was like 16 years
ago. But that was one game out of hundreds played over a 5 day span.
Satori v ????.

Now when I speed or break the law I knowingly am putting myself at
risk and am willing to suffer the consequences upon being caught. Of
course I'll appeal, hire a lawyer, but my body of work as an
upstanding individual in the community (besides my alcohol related
infractions of the 80's and early 90's) will stand in my favor. But
damn, to put out some silly ass appeal to the Ultimate community and
not even own up to what you've done in said appeal? Madness.
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21277 is a reply to message #21259] Mon, 27 April 2009 12:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
faddy
Messages: 310
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Apr 27, 3:00 pm, jacob <jacobsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 'there's a difference between rubbing one out in front of the computer
> versus rubbing one out in the city park. you follow me here, jacob?"
>
> Well, I'm not familiar with the phrase "rubbing one out", so this is a
> bit confusing.  I'll just assume from context that "rubbing one put"
> is an activity which most would find offensive if done in public.
> Your analogy would work much better if you switched "rubbing one out
> in front of the computer" (I'm assuming you are talking about one's
> home computer, whilst one has one's window drapes closed) with
> "discreetly rubbing one out behind a tree in the woods."  After all, I
> doubt that the "discreet" marijuana smoking which has been discussed
> on this thread has referred to smoking at home- I believe we were
> talking about breaking the law, albeit discreetly, while at
> tournaments.  (Let me please clarify that I am not accusing you ever
> having rubbed one out behind a tree in the woods- as I have stated, I
> don't even know what that is ... the rubbing one out part .... I know
> what a tree is.)
>
> "they chose to rub one out in the city park."
>
> Being naked and masturbating (I mean, "rubbing one out," which I am
> unfamiliar with) are not the same thing.
>
> "and i'd hack you again on that long throw at Stanford. it was the
> right thing to do!!"
>
> Yes, as I recall, your team won nationals that year, so you must have
> done something right.  Could it have been your strict fitness regimen
> between regionals and nationals?

i give....
uncle....
trying to whistle......

i'm just not smart enuff....and i'm ok with thaT!
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21287 is a reply to message #21277] Mon, 27 April 2009 13:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
clankerton
Messages: 10
Registered: April 2009
Junior Member
"We broke rules that shouldn't be rules," Becker said. "I mean
speeding, drinking and the nudity thing. They may technically be
against the law but I don't think people who live in Oregon or go to
the University here think it's wrong. Morally they're not."

Did anyone else find that statement dumbfounded and incredibly stupid?
Wow...
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21301 is a reply to message #21287] Mon, 27 April 2009 13:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
H
Messages: 249
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
Show me an undergrad that doesn't sound dumb in an interview,
especially in such a nascent and highly emotional situation as this
one.

The point is, however, that Oregon is an excellent team with an
excellent reputation as a spirited and fun-loving team in addition to
being a consistent national level competitor. To have their season
derailed by something so trivial is outrageous and completely ignores
every other contribution they make to the sport and to the school. Oh
no, so they took their fig leaves off. Moral outrage! In light of
what undergrads at all schools are doing right now, every day, and
even in the context of what adults are doing (check the evening news,
or the newspaper), this was, in its entirely, a total and complete non-
event. The punishment meted out here is totally inappropriate in
every way, and completely undeserved.

H

On Apr 27, 2:13 pm, clanker...@gmail.com wrote:
> "We broke rules that shouldn't be rules," Becker said. "I mean
> speeding, drinking and the nudity thing. They may technically be
> against the law but I don't think people who live in Oregon or go to
> the University here think it's wrong. Morally they're not."
>
> Did anyone else find that statement dumbfounded and incredibly stupid?
> Wow...
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21307 is a reply to message #21301] Mon, 27 April 2009 14:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stevepetersonsmail
Messages: 222
Registered: March 2009
Senior Member
On Apr 27, 4:55 pm, H <ahalv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Show me an undergrad that doesn't sound dumb in an interview,
> especially in such a nascent and highly emotional situation as this
> one.
>
> The point is, however, that Oregon is an excellent team with an
> excellent reputation as a spirited and fun-loving team in addition to
> being a consistent national level competitor.  To have their season
> derailed by something so trivial is outrageous and completely ignores
> every other contribution they make to the sport and to the school.  Oh
> no, so they took their fig leaves off.  Moral outrage!  In light of
> what undergrads at all schools are doing right now, every day, and
> even in the context of what adults are doing (check the evening news,
> or the newspaper), this was, in its entirely, a total and complete non-
> event.  The punishment meted out here is totally inappropriate in
> every way, and completely undeserved.
>
> H


I remember one time in-between the early and late sessions of the of
the ACC basketball tournament on Saturday two of the teams came out of
the locker room and played a game of naked basketball. Man was that
funny. It was so refreshing to see them acting like morons. Coach K
and Roy Williams were laughing it up with everyone. Greg Paulus came
out wearing a skirt (which wasn't that suprising) and another player
was wearing come kind of crazy animal costume.

I'm sure they didn't get disciplined though since they were so good
sprited about it and just having fun.

Peterson
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21310 is a reply to message #21301] Mon, 27 April 2009 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jkelsay15
Messages: 13
Registered: February 2009
Junior Member
come on people. the point of this thread is to SUPPORT oregon
ultimate. if you don't support the actions of the team then just
layoff. it is much harder to take the time to post on rsd, then it is
to just not post. i feel sorry for the people that have posted like
ten times, and have said ten negative things. im sure someone will rip
on what i said, because that's all people do on rsd these days. I feel
like everyones father "if you don't have something nice to say, then
don't say anything at all." no one must have liked you guys growing
up.

Jacko
#15 ego
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21328 is a reply to message #21310] Mon, 27 April 2009 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wagenwheel
Messages: 323
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Apr 27, 5:09 pm, jkelsa...@gmail.com wrote:
> come on people. the point of this thread is to SUPPORT oregon
> ultimate. if you don't support the actions of the team then just
> layoff. it is much harder to take the time to post on rsd, then it is
> to just not post. i feel sorry for the people that have posted like
> ten times, and have said ten negative things. im sure someone will rip
> on what i said, because that's all people do on rsd these days. I feel
> like everyones father "if you don't have something nice to say, then
> don't say anything at all." no one must have liked you guys growing
> up.
>
> Jacko
> #15 ego

I support Oregon Ultimate. I do not support stupidity. Poor
judgement can be overcome. Based on my in-depth analysis that
consisted of an article in a paper, rsd, and my beginning workings of
a screen play and the events surrounding this occurrence, I can't,
NAY, I shan't forgive stupidity. You were already in trouble and you
drop trou in a foreign land and start tossing plastic, now that just
smacks of stupidity. A DWI is bad judgement, yet a forgivable offense
(if no one gets hurt); in the words of the incomparable Ron
Bennington (RON&FEZ, Noon to 3 xm 202, sirius 197) "What are you
supposed to do leave your car at the fucking bar?"

While playing Pantless Ultimate on the surface seems benign, it eats
away at the core of what 2% of the active Ultimate community want, a
game to be judged on the merits of its athletes and their skills, not
the outlandish uniforms, crazy high-jinks, and nakedness.

Now to say that no one liked me growing up is just mean. I've got
some free time and this keeps me entertained. I'm liked. Right guys?
Hello? Anyone? Beuller?
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21336 is a reply to message #21310] Mon, 27 April 2009 15:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Fozz
Messages: 6
Registered: March 2009
Junior Member
On Apr 27, 2:09 pm, jkelsa...@gmail.com wrote:
> come on people. the point of this thread is to SUPPORT oregon
> ultimate. if you don't support the actions of the team then just
> layoff. it is much harder to take the time to post on rsd, then it is
> to just not post. i feel sorry for the people that have posted like
> ten times, and have said ten negative things. im sure someone will rip
> on what i said, because that's all people do on rsd these days. I feel
> like everyones father "if you don't have something nice to say, then
> don't say anything at all." no one must have liked you guys growing
> up.
>
> Jacko
> #15 ego


i'm with wagenwheel, i cannot support the statement "In the sport of
ultimate it's a very common thing. It's sort of in the culture of the
game." don't go around saying nude points are common in ultimate.
they aren't. and if they were they shouldn't be. at least not at one
of the few official intercollegiate events. freaking hippies.

as for the punishment fitting the crime... y'all got a two ton brick
dropped on you for very little reason. it sucks. in my opinion
(which doesn't matter) ending the season is too harsh of punishment.
hopefully y'all can get the punishment reduced. noticed the word
"reduced". and now for advice (since i know you were waiting for
it)... tonight you might not want to stick with the "They may
technically be against the law... (But) Morally they're not."
argument. personally i would think admitting it wasn't a good idea
would be a good start to the process. maybe you could suggest a less
punishment that would seem to more proportional to the incidence(s).
perhaps a fine and/or willingness to issue a public apology for
potentially embarrassing the university (granted by doing things that
a number of college kids might do while attending) and of course more
years of probation. that or throw the nude 5 under the bus by
offering to suspend them for a some games at regionals. you know like
what a real college sport team does when players break laws/rules/
common sense and they can't cover it up well enough. not ideal, but
better then the death penalty you're facing now.

and you might not want to speed on the way to corvallis if/when y'all
get to go.

just rambling to pass the time.

fozz
Re: Save Oregon Ultimate [message #21337 is a reply to message #21301] Mon, 27 April 2009 15:08 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
kminderhout
Messages: 64
Registered: October 2008
Member
To clarify further.

The intent of this post was not to deceive the ultimate community, and
it is certainly not the final solution being pursued by Oregon right
now. The intent was to gather what I phrased as "support" for the
character of Oregon Ultimate.

We are bringing alternative suggestions for sanctions to the appeals
meeting; suggestions we believe are more appropriate to situation. The
requests for character support is only one part of the process. We
want to show our club sports program how the ultimate community
perceives our team 99% of the time because we don't believe that their
perception of us is in line with who we really are.

We aren't asking you to support shirts only points. We'll admit, in
hindsight, it wasn't a great idea. We're sorry for desecrating your
efforts to make ultimate taken more seriously. We didn't mean to.

A big thank you to everyone who has sent e-mails on our behalf.

Kevin Minderhout
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