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Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1431] Fri, 03 October 2008 04:16 Go to next message
Kyle Weisbrod
Messages: 195
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
Just a reminder that you can vote for the UPA Board of Directors by
logging into your account at:https://www.upa.org/members/login.php?

Contrary to what you might think if you spend time reading RSD,
whether or not to incorporate referees is not among the most pressing
issues that face the UPA. The UPA’s biggest challenges include:
- Working with local leagues and organizers to provide increased
competition opportunities for players at all levels
- Continuing to increase the professionalism of the organization while
integrating the huge growth that the sport has experienced over the
past 8 years
- Optimizing the UPA’s primary communication tools (particularly the
magazine and website) to provide players and fans relevant information
in a timely manner.
- Continuing the massive growth in the youth division and increasing
growth at all levels in women’s Ultimate, particularly the youth
division

I know this not only from the comprehensive strategic plan but from
discussions I’ve had across the country - with coaches at the YCC in
Minnesota, elite open and women’s players at tournaments in DC, and
the players that I coach and play with here in Atlanta to name a few.

With these needs in mind I believe that voters should be looking for:
- Candidates with considerable league organization experience who can
help the UPA continue improving the relationship between the UPA and
leagues around the country
- Candidates with strong business and legal background who can help
the UPA continue to increase the level of professionalism in the
organization and sport as well as implement the ambitious five year
strategic plan
- Candidates with strong communication skills who are can improve
members’ relationships with the UPA through representing them and
communicating to them about the UPA

Considering these criteria I am endorsing the following candidates in
the UPA’s 2008 Board Election:

At-Large

Henry Thorne

Henry has a proven record of leadership with the UPA. Most recently
as the chair of the UPA’s strategic planning committee Henry committed
countless hours to shepherding the process through its many phases on
its scheduled timeline. Henry effectively managed several volunteers
and was the driving force behind the UPA’s first long term strategic
plan. In addition, Henry has proven business acumen as the founder of
Cycle Time corp and Aetheon Inc and the co-founder of Thorley
Industries. Henry brings a great deal of historical perspective to
the UPA having served on the Board for three previous terms. He has
experience in multiple roles in the sport – from player, to coach, to
parent. If reelected, Henry will continue to be an invaluable
contributor to the UPA and the sport of Ultimate.

Mandy Eckhoff

Mandy Eckhoff fits the ideal profile of what the UPA needs on its
Board right now. With non-profit board experience Mandy will be able
to hit the ground running and bring a higher level of professionalism
to the UPA Board. As a lawyer she will be able to provide the UPA
Board critical legal advice as the Board is losing both of the lawyers
that are currently serving on the Board at the end of the year. As a
committed league organizer from one of the biggest leagues in the
country Mandy will help guide the UPA in working with leagues and
league players. Mandy has the skills and background to help the UPA
become a much stronger organization.

South

Mike Nash

Mike’s extensive service to the sport of Ultimate and his thoughtful
demeanor will make him a perfect representative for the South Region.
I have worked with Mike as an Observer at Club Nationals and AC
College Regionals and have been more than impressed by his level of
organization, communication, and commitment to the sport. As the head
observer at AC College Regionals he worked diligently to recruit and
support the best observer crew I have ever worked with. While most of
the UPA Board currently resides in Ultimate hotbeds like Atlanta, San
Francisco, Seattle, Boston or Pittsburgh, Mike lives in Charleston, SC
and will be able to represent smaller Ultimate communities around the
country. Mike is committed to improving the rules and expanding the
use of observers. Mike’s service, experience, demeanor and
perspective will make him a great member of the UPA Board.

Central

Seth Grossinger

While I can’t vote for the Central region representatives, if I could,
I would vote for Seth Grossinger. Seth has extensive experience with
the Twin Cities Ultimate League and Minnesota HS Ultimate League where
he sits on the board of both. He brings a strong analytic background
and would make a great Treasurer for the UPA. Seth will help the UPA
in two of the key areas where the organization can improve the most,
league relationships and professionalism.

Final Note

There are two Board candidates whom I did not endorse but that I feel
are certainly capable of serving on the Board. Gwen Ambler is without
a doubt one of the most pro-active, committed and capable organizers
in Ultimate. I feel that she would make an excellent board member but
could not endorse her over Henry or Mandy because I feel they better
meet the UPA Board’s current needs. As a contributor to Ultimate I do
not know many that do more than Gwen.

John Terry is no doubt a future Hall of Fame Ultimate organizer. I
have been around youth Ultimate for over 15 years and I have never met
a youth player so organized, responsible, and committed to improving
Ultimate. His website www.youthultimate.com is a testament to his
drive and commitment. In all honesty, I would be perfectly happy
being represented by John even now but feel that Mike’s experience
makes him a better representative.

We are lucky to have such a strong group of candidates running for the
UPA Board of Directors. The UPA and the sport of Ultimate have never
been in such a strong position and have never had such a promising
future. It’s an exciting time to be a part of this sport!
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1439 is a reply to message #1431] Fri, 03 October 2008 06:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Oct 3, 7:16 am, Kyle Weisbrod <kyle.weisb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a reminder that you can vote for the UPA Board of Directors by
> logging into your account at:https://www.upa.org/members/login.php?
>
> Contrary to what you might think if you spend time reading RSD,
> whether or not to incorporate referees is not among the most pressing
> issues that face the UPA.

centinly not to you, a confirmed spirit zealot.......so this load is
just more of their spirit zealot propaganda.

And how in the HELL can you so confidently PROCLAIM what the pertinant
issues are facing OUR association when you simply ignore 90% of
us?????
------------------------------------------------------------ -



 The UPA’s biggest challenges include:
> -       Working with local leagues and organizers to provide increased
> competition opportunities for players at all levels



what the hell are you talking about. ultimate tournies are a dime a
dozen these days. arent there like 10 tournies being held every
weekend AND rec leagues (summer fall winter and spring) in just about
every established ultimate community.

more coluding propaganda from the spirit zealot patrol to scare people
away from following the tried and tested "normal sports model".
------------------------------------------------------------ ---
> -       Continuing to increase the professionalism of the organization while
> integrating the huge growth that the sport has experienced over the
> past 8 years

continuing????? how about starting......and you can do that by
running another needs and wants assessment process that reaches the
ENTIRE membership this time.
------------------------------------------------------------ -------
> -       Optimizing the UPA’s primary communication tools (particularly the
> magazine and website)


OK, BOTH THE MAG AND THE WEB SITE SUCK!!!!! So ditch the mag (as its
completely outdated when we get it......if we get it!) and go full
tilt with the web site. As for your "communication" in general.....IT
SUCKS TOO!!! YOU GUYS HAVE ABOUT A 5% APPROVAL RATING IN THE
COMMUNICATION DEPT OF YOUR JOB DESCRIPTIONS.
------------------------------------------------------------ -



to provide players and fans relevant information
> in a timely manner.


AHHHHHH, what a joke. How you say this with a straight face in the
light of 1)the outdated info we recieve in the news letter and 2)the
fact that you guys are notorious for badly time mandates and basic
information desemination AND 3)the fact that we still havent hers SHIT
about the refzerver experiment that occured at solstice JUST BLOWS MY
MIND!!!
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------
> -       Continuing the massive growth in the youth division and increasing
> growth at all levels in women’s Ultimate, particularly the youth
> division

BUT THIS PROGRAM IS OFF AND RUNNING.....WHILE OTHERS ARE BEING TOTALLY
NEGLECTED!!!!
------------------------------------------------------------ ------------
>
> I know this not only from the comprehensive strategic plan


But ya only really KNOW what 10 % of the membership WANT from that
process. What technique do you use to figure out what the other 90%
want? speculation, projection or that crystal ball of yours????
------------------------------------------------------



>
> With these needs in mind I believe that voters should be looking for:


and by "these needs" you mean the ones that are held in majority by
the 10% of the membership that responded. and what of the NEEDS for
ref experimentation that was revealed by that data?

WHAT IS THE UPA ADMIN GONNA DO TO SEEK OUT THE NEEDS OF THE 90% THAT
DIDNT WANT TO TAKE PART IN YOUR ASSESSMENT PROCESS.......for what ever
reasons those may be (too long and inconvenient)
------------------------------------------------------------ -------





> -       Candidates with considerable league organization experience who can
> help the UPA continue improving the relationship between the UPA and
> leagues around the country

thats ME! TODD LEBER
---------------------------------------------------------
> -       Candidates with strong business and legal background who can help
> the UPA continue to increase the level of professionalism in the
> organization and sport as well as implement the ambitious five year
> strategic plan

ME AGAIN, TODD LEBER
------------------------------------------------------
> -       Candidates with strong communication skills who are can improve
> members’ relationships with the UPA through representing them and
> communicating to them about the UPA

ME AGAIN.....REMEMBER, I TOOK IT UPON MYSELF(on my own dime i might
add) TO GO TO THE PEOPLE (not ask them to come to me) AND SOUGHT OUT
MEMBERS OPINIONS IN A FACE TO FACE SCENERIO.

THE UPA HAS NEVER DONE THIS.
------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------
>
> Considering these criteria I am endorsing the following candidates in
> the UPA’s 2008 Board Election:


OTHER FELLOW SPIRIT ZEALOTS.......SHOCKER.

Love to here some rebutals to my responses kyle, doubt i will though
as I ask the tough questions and am very critical of you and your
propaganda. which is why i'm not countin on any response to my
charges and contentions against you. Why not show the rsd people you
"got a pair" and respond.
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1452 is a reply to message #1431] Fri, 03 October 2008 07:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kyle Weisbrod
Messages: 195
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Oct 3, 7:16 am, Kyle Weisbrod <kyle.weisb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a reminder that you can vote for the UPA Board of Directors by
> logging into your account at:https://www.upa.org/members/login.php?
>
> Contrary to what you might think if you spend time reading RSD,
> whether or not to incorporate referees is not among the most pressing
> issues that face the UPA.  The UPA’s biggest challenges include:
> -       Working with local leagues and organizers to provide increased
> competition opportunities for players at all levels
> -       Continuing to increase the professionalism of the organization while
> integrating the huge growth that the sport has experienced over the
> past 8 years
> -       Optimizing the UPA’s primary communication tools (particularly the
> magazine and website) to provide players and fans relevant information
> in a timely manner.
> -       Continuing the massive growth in the youth division and increasing
> growth at all levels in women’s Ultimate, particularly the youth
> division
>
> I know this not only from the comprehensive strategic plan but from
> discussions I’ve had across the country - with coaches at the YCC in
> Minnesota, elite open and women’s players at tournaments in DC, and
> the players that I coach and play with here in Atlanta to name a few.
>
> With these needs in mind I believe that voters should be looking for:
> -       Candidates with considerable league organization experience who can
> help the UPA continue improving the relationship between the UPA and
> leagues around the country
> -       Candidates with strong business and legal background who can help
> the UPA continue to increase the level of professionalism in the
> organization and sport as well as implement the ambitious five year
> strategic plan
> -       Candidates with strong communication skills who are can improve
> members’ relationships with the UPA through representing them and
> communicating to them about the UPA
>
> Considering these criteria I am endorsing the following candidates in
> the UPA’s 2008 Board Election:
>
> At-Large
>
> Henry Thorne
>
> Henry has a proven record of leadership with the UPA.  Most recently
> as the chair of the UPA’s strategic planning committee Henry committed
> countless hours to shepherding the process through its many phases on
> its scheduled timeline.  Henry effectively managed several volunteers
> and was the driving force behind the UPA’s first long term strategic
> plan.  In addition, Henry has proven business acumen as the founder of
> Cycle Time corp and Aetheon Inc and the co-founder of Thorley
> Industries.  Henry brings a great deal of historical perspective to
> the UPA having served on the Board for three previous terms.  He has
> experience in multiple roles in the sport – from player, to coach, to
> parent.  If reelected, Henry will continue to be an invaluable
> contributor to the UPA and the sport of Ultimate.
>
> Mandy Eckhoff
>
> Mandy Eckhoff fits the ideal profile of what the UPA needs on its
> Board right now.  With non-profit board experience Mandy will be able
> to hit the ground running and bring a higher level of professionalism
> to the UPA Board.  As a lawyer she will be able to provide the UPA
> Board critical legal advice as the Board is losing both of the lawyers
> that are currently serving on the Board at the end of the year.  As a
> committed league organizer from one of the biggest leagues in the
> country Mandy will help guide the UPA in working with leagues and
> league players.  Mandy has the skills and background to help the UPA
> become a much stronger organization.
>
> South
>
> Mike Nash
>
> Mike’s extensive service to the sport of Ultimate and his thoughtful
> demeanor will make him a perfect representative for the South Region.
> I have worked with Mike as an Observer at Club Nationals and AC
> College Regionals and have been more than impressed by his level of
> organization, communication, and commitment to the sport.  As the head
> observer at AC College Regionals he worked diligently to recruit and
> support the best observer crew I have ever worked with.  While most of
> the UPA Board currently resides in Ultimate hotbeds like Atlanta, San
> Francisco, Seattle, Boston or Pittsburgh, Mike lives in Charleston, SC
> and will be able to represent smaller Ultimate communities around the
> country.  Mike is committed to improving the rules and expanding the
> use of observers.  Mike’s service, experience, demeanor and
> perspective will make him a great member of the UPA Board.
>
> Central
>
> Seth Grossinger
>
> While I can’t vote for the Central region representatives, if I could,
> I would vote for Seth Grossinger.  Seth has extensive experience with
> the Twin Cities Ultimate League and Minnesota HS Ultimate League where
> he sits on the board of both.  He brings a strong analytic background
> and would make a great Treasurer for the UPA.  Seth will help the UPA
> in two of the key areas where the organization can improve the most,
> league relationships and professionalism.
>
> Final Note
>
> There are two Board candidates whom I did not endorse but that I feel
> are certainly capable of serving on the Board.  Gwen Ambler is without
> a doubt one of the most pro-active, committed and capable organizers
> in Ultimate.  I feel that she would make an excellent board member but
> could not endorse her over Henry or Mandy because I feel they better
> meet the UPA Board’s current needs.  As a contributor to Ultimate I do
> not know many that do more than Gwen.
>
> John Terry is no doubt a future Hall of Fame Ultimate organizer.  I
> have been around youth Ultimate for over 15 years and I have never met
> a youth player so organized, responsible, and committed to improving
> Ultimate.  His websitewww.youthultimate.comis a testament to his
> drive and commitment.  In all honesty, I would be perfectly happy
> being represented by John even now but feel that Mike’s experience
> makes him a better representative.
>
> We are lucky to have such a strong group of candidates running for the
> UPA Board of Directors.  The UPA and the sport of Ultimate have never
> been in such a strong position and have never had such a promising
> future.  It’s an exciting time to be a part of this sport!

Hey, I just want to clarify. While it's probably obvious to most of
you, these endorsements do not represent the UPA or UPA Board of
Directors and are the sole opinion of me, Kyle Weisbrod.

-Kyle
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1463 is a reply to message #1439] Fri, 03 October 2008 07:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Head Beagle
Messages: 65
Registered: September 2008
Member
On Oct 3, 9:17 am, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
> On Oct 3, 7:16 am, Kyle Weisbrod <kyle.weisb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

> > -       Candidates with strong communication skills who are can improve
> > members’ relationships with the UPA through representing them and
> > communicating to them about the UPA
>
> ME AGAIN.....REMEMBER, I TOOK IT UPON MYSELF(on my own dime i might
> add) TO GO TO THE PEOPLE (not ask them to come to me) AND SOUGHT OUT
> MEMBERS OPINIONS IN A FACE TO FACE SCENERIO.
>
> THE UPA HAS NEVER DONE THIS.
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- ---

Toad, you went to one tournament and conducted one survey. That is
nothing compared to trying to run a national survey of thousands of
people. It is like building an electric train in your garage and then
proclaiming yourself fit to run Pacific Railways. Conducting a
national survey is a much more involved process than sitting down,
writing a survey, and then walking around asking 200 people those
questions for a weekend. Is there a better way to do it than the UPA
did? Perhaps. Might you even have a better plan? Perhaps. But don't
act like going out and doing one weekend of work suddenly makes you
the expert on polling methodology and the vanguard of the people.
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1483 is a reply to message #1452] Fri, 03 October 2008 08:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Oct 3, 10:03 am, Kyle Weisbrod <kyle.weisb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 3, 7:16 am, Kyle Weisbrod <kyle.weisb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Just a reminder that you can vote for the UPA Board of Directors by
> > logging into your account at:https://www.upa.org/members/login.php?
>
> > Contrary to what you might think if you spend time reading RSD,
> > whether or not to incorporate referees is not among the most pressing
> > issues that face the UPA.  The UPA’s biggest challenges include:
> > -       Working with local leagues and organizers to provide increased
> > competition opportunities for players at all levels
> > -       Continuing to increase the professionalism of the organization while
> > integrating the huge growth that the sport has experienced over the
> > past 8 years
> > -       Optimizing the UPA’s primary communication tools (particularly the
> > magazine and website) to provide players and fans relevant information
> > in a timely manner.
> > -       Continuing the massive growth in the youth division and increasing
> > growth at all levels in women’s Ultimate, particularly the youth
> > division
>
> > I know this not only from the comprehensive strategic plan but from
> > discussions I’ve had across the country - with coaches at the YCC in
> > Minnesota, elite open and women’s players at tournaments in DC, and
> > the players that I coach and play with here in Atlanta to name a few.
>
> > With these needs in mind I believe that voters should be looking for:
> > -       Candidates with considerable league organization experience who can
> > help the UPA continue improving the relationship between the UPA and
> > leagues around the country
> > -       Candidates with strong business and legal background who can help
> > the UPA continue to increase the level of professionalism in the
> > organization and sport as well as implement the ambitious five year
> > strategic plan
> > -       Candidates with strong communication skills who are can improve
> > members’ relationships with the UPA through representing them and
> > communicating to them about the UPA
>
> > Considering these criteria I am endorsing the following candidates in
> > the UPA’s 2008 Board Election:
>
> > At-Large
>
> > Henry Thorne
>
> > Henry has a proven record of leadership with the UPA.  Most recently
> > as the chair of the UPA’s strategic planning committee Henry committed
> > countless hours to shepherding the process through its many phases on
> > its scheduled timeline.  Henry effectively managed several volunteers
> > and was the driving force behind the UPA’s first long term strategic
> > plan.  In addition, Henry has proven business acumen as the founder of
> > Cycle Time corp and Aetheon Inc and the co-founder of Thorley
> > Industries.  Henry brings a great deal of historical perspective to
> > the UPA having served on the Board for three previous terms.  He has
> > experience in multiple roles in the sport – from player, to coach, to
> > parent.  If reelected, Henry will continue to be an invaluable
> > contributor to the UPA and the sport of Ultimate.
>
> > Mandy Eckhoff
>
> > Mandy Eckhoff fits the ideal profile of what the UPA needs on its
> > Board right now.  With non-profit board experience Mandy will be able
> > to hit the ground running and bring a higher level of professionalism
> > to the UPA Board.  As a lawyer she will be able to provide the UPA
> > Board critical legal advice as the Board is losing both of the lawyers
> > that are currently serving on the Board at the end of the year.  As a
> > committed league organizer from one of the biggest leagues in the
> > country Mandy will help guide the UPA in working with leagues and
> > league players.  Mandy has the skills and background to help the UPA
> > become a much stronger organization.
>
> > South
>
> > Mike Nash
>
> > Mike’s extensive service to the sport of Ultimate and his thoughtful
> > demeanor will make him a perfect representative for the South Region.
> > I have worked with Mike as an Observer at Club Nationals and AC
> > College Regionals and have been more than impressed by his level of
> > organization, communication, and commitment to the sport.  As the head
> > observer at AC College Regionals he worked diligently to recruit and
> > support the best observer crew I have ever worked with.  While most of
> > the UPA Board currently resides in Ultimate hotbeds like Atlanta, San
> > Francisco, Seattle, Boston or Pittsburgh, Mike lives in Charleston, SC
> > and will be able to represent smaller Ultimate communities around the
> > country.  Mike is committed to improving the rules and expanding the
> > use of observers.  Mike’s service, experience, demeanor and
> > perspective will make him a great member of the UPA Board.
>
> > Central
>
> > Seth Grossinger
>
> > While I can’t vote for the Central region representatives, if I could,
> > I would vote for Seth Grossinger.  Seth has extensive experience with
> > the Twin Cities Ultimate League and Minnesota HS Ultimate League where
> > he sits on the board of both.  He brings a strong analytic background
> > and would make a great Treasurer for the UPA.  Seth will help the UPA
> > in two of the key areas where the organization can improve the most,
> > league relationships and professionalism.
>
> > Final Note
>
> > There are two Board candidates whom I did not endorse but that I feel
> > are certainly capable of serving on the Board.  Gwen Ambler is without
> > a doubt one of the most pro-active, committed and capable organizers
> > in Ultimate.  I feel that she would make an excellent board member but
> > could not endorse her over Henry or Mandy because I feel they better
> > meet the UPA Board’s current needs.  As a contributor to Ultimate I do
> > not know many that do more than Gwen.
>
> > John Terry is no doubt a future Hall of Fame Ultimate organizer.  I
> > have been around youth Ultimate for over 15 years and I have never met
> > a youth player so organized, responsible, and committed to improving
> > Ultimate.  His websitewww.youthultimate.comisa testament to his
> > drive and commitment.  In all honesty, I would be perfectly happy
> > being represented by John even now but feel that Mike’s experience
> > makes him a better representative.
>
> > We are lucky to have such a strong group of candidates running for the
> > UPA Board of Directors.  The UPA and the sport of Ultimate have never
> > been in such a strong position and have never had such a promising
> > future.  It’s an exciting time to be a part of this sport!
>
> Hey, I just want to clarify.  While it's probably obvious to most of
> you, these endorsements do not represent the UPA or UPA Board of
> Directors and are the sole opinion of me, Kyle Weisbrod.
>
> -Kyle- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

ok, so why dont YOU, kyle w respond to my contentions????
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1484 is a reply to message #1463] Fri, 03 October 2008 08:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Oct 3, 10:21 am, Head Beagle <we...@jbu.edu> wrote:

> . Is there a better way to do it than the UPA
> did? Perhaps.

then why dont we explore this issue rather than critisize me for
bringing it up?
----------------------------------------------------------



Might you even have a better plan? Perhaps.


and this one?
-----------------------------------------------------


But don't
> act like going out and doing one weekend of work suddenly makes you
> the expert on polling methodology and the vanguard of the people.


i'm not claiming to be an expert as much as im claiming the upa
administraitors arent doing as good or smart of a job as they
could......which relects in there poor assessment atempt (not to
mention their shitty approval rating)
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1486 is a reply to message #1431] Fri, 03 October 2008 08:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Fetch
Messages: 28
Registered: October 2008
Junior Member
Man, I need a campaign manager!

David "Fetch" Janinis
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1491 is a reply to message #1483] Fri, 03 October 2008 08:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kyle Weisbrod
Messages: 195
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Oct 3, 11:13 am, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
> On Oct 3, 10:03 am, Kyle Weisbrod <kyle.weisb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 7:16 am, Kyle Weisbrod <kyle.weisb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Just a reminder that you can vote for the UPA Board of Directors by
> > > logging into your account at:https://www.upa.org/members/login.php?
>
> > > Contrary to what you might think if you spend time reading RSD,
> > > whether or not to incorporate referees is not among the most pressing
> > > issues that face the UPA.  The UPA’s biggest challenges include:
> > > -       Working with local leagues and organizers to provide increased
> > > competition opportunities for players at all levels
> > > -       Continuing to increase the professionalism of the organization while
> > > integrating the huge growth that the sport has experienced over the
> > > past 8 years
> > > -       Optimizing the UPA’s primary communication tools (particularly the
> > > magazine and website) to provide players and fans relevant information
> > > in a timely manner.
> > > -       Continuing the massive growth in the youth division and increasing
> > > growth at all levels in women’s Ultimate, particularly the youth
> > > division
>
> > > I know this not only from the comprehensive strategic plan but from
> > > discussions I’ve had across the country - with coaches at the YCC in
> > > Minnesota, elite open and women’s players at tournaments in DC, and
> > > the players that I coach and play with here in Atlanta to name a few.
>
> > > With these needs in mind I believe that voters should be looking for:
> > > -       Candidates with considerable league organization experience who can
> > > help the UPA continue improving the relationship between the UPA and
> > > leagues around the country
> > > -       Candidates with strong business and legal background who can help
> > > the UPA continue to increase the level of professionalism in the
> > > organization and sport as well as implement the ambitious five year
> > > strategic plan
> > > -       Candidates with strong communication skills who are can improve
> > > members’ relationships with the UPA through representing them and
> > > communicating to them about the UPA
>
> > > Considering these criteria I am endorsing the following candidates in
> > > the UPA’s 2008 Board Election:
>
> > > At-Large
>
> > > Henry Thorne
>
> > > Henry has a proven record of leadership with the UPA.  Most recently
> > > as the chair of the UPA’s strategic planning committee Henry committed
> > > countless hours to shepherding the process through its many phases on
> > > its scheduled timeline.  Henry effectively managed several volunteers
> > > and was the driving force behind the UPA’s first long term strategic
> > > plan.  In addition, Henry has proven business acumen as the founder of
> > > Cycle Time corp and Aetheon Inc and the co-founder of Thorley
> > > Industries.  Henry brings a great deal of historical perspective to
> > > the UPA having served on the Board for three previous terms.  He has
> > > experience in multiple roles in the sport – from player, to coach, to
> > > parent.  If reelected, Henry will continue to be an invaluable
> > > contributor to the UPA and the sport of Ultimate.
>
> > > Mandy Eckhoff
>
> > > Mandy Eckhoff fits the ideal profile of what the UPA needs on its
> > > Board right now.  With non-profit board experience Mandy will be able
> > > to hit the ground running and bring a higher level of professionalism
> > > to the UPA Board.  As a lawyer she will be able to provide the UPA
> > > Board critical legal advice as the Board is losing both of the lawyers
> > > that are currently serving on the Board at the end of the year.  As a
> > > committed league organizer from one of the biggest leagues in the
> > > country Mandy will help guide the UPA in working with leagues and
> > > league players.  Mandy has the skills and background to help the UPA
> > > become a much stronger organization.
>
> > > South
>
> > > Mike Nash
>
> > > Mike’s extensive service to the sport of Ultimate and his thoughtful
> > > demeanor will make him a perfect representative for the South Region.
> > > I have worked with Mike as an Observer at Club Nationals and AC
> > > College Regionals and have been more than impressed by his level of
> > > organization, communication, and commitment to the sport.  As the head
> > > observer at AC College Regionals he worked diligently to recruit and
> > > support the best observer crew I have ever worked with.  While most of
> > > the UPA Board currently resides in Ultimate hotbeds like Atlanta, San
> > > Francisco, Seattle, Boston or Pittsburgh, Mike lives in Charleston, SC
> > > and will be able to represent smaller Ultimate communities around the
> > > country.  Mike is committed to improving the rules and expanding the
> > > use of observers.  Mike’s service, experience, demeanor and
> > > perspective will make him a great member of the UPA Board.
>
> > > Central
>
> > > Seth Grossinger
>
> > > While I can’t vote for the Central region representatives, if I could,
> > > I would vote for Seth Grossinger.  Seth has extensive experience with
> > > the Twin Cities Ultimate League and Minnesota HS Ultimate League where
> > > he sits on the board of both.  He brings a strong analytic background
> > > and would make a great Treasurer for the UPA.  Seth will help the UPA
> > > in two of the key areas where the organization can improve the most,
> > > league relationships and professionalism.
>
> > > Final Note
>
> > > There are two Board candidates whom I did not endorse but that I feel
> > > are certainly capable of serving on the Board.  Gwen Ambler is without
> > > a doubt one of the most pro-active, committed and capable organizers
> > > in Ultimate.  I feel that she would make an excellent board member but
> > > could not endorse her over Henry or Mandy because I feel they better
> > > meet the UPA Board’s current needs.  As a contributor to Ultimate I do
> > > not know many that do more than Gwen.
>
> > > John Terry is no doubt a future Hall of Fame Ultimate organizer.  I
> > > have been around youth Ultimate for over 15 years and I have never met
> > > a youth player so organized, responsible, and committed to improving
> > > Ultimate.  His websitewww.youthultimate.comisatestament to his
> > > drive and commitment.  In all honesty, I would be perfectly happy
> > > being represented by John even now but feel that Mike’s experience
> > > makes him a better representative.
>
> > > We are lucky to have such a strong group of candidates running for the
> > > UPA Board of Directors.  The UPA and the sport of Ultimate have never
> > > been in such a strong position and have never had such a promising
> > > future.  It’s an exciting time to be a part of this sport!
>
> > Hey, I just want to clarify.  While it's probably obvious to most of
> > you, these endorsements do not represent the UPA or UPA Board of
> > Directors and are the sole opinion of me, Kyle Weisbrod.
>
> > -Kyle- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> ok, so why dont YOU, kyle w respond to my contentions????

Toad, what in your comment am I going to respond to? The UPA issued a
fairly clear public statement on the strategic planning process. I am
using the strategic plan and my discussions with people around the
country to define what I believe are the critical needs of the UPA.
You can disagree with me on those needs but I've provided plenty of
supporting evidence for why I believe they are what they are.

It seems like any discussion with you would go:

You: "You're a spirit zealot"
Me: "What the hell does that even mean? I've consistently advocated
for more observers and more observer powers in competitive Ultimate.
I've advocated for observer hand signals. I've observed and refereed
games. If that's what a spirit zealot is, fine I'm a spirit zealot."
You: "But you are anti-referee"
Me: "Based on my experience with reffing in Ultimate, playing refereed
sports, and from listening to other UPA members I think it is worth
continuing to refine the observer system. I have no problem with
groups experimenting with referees (and would happily play and referee
in such experimentations) but I have found no compelling argument for
the UPA to spend its limited resources on referees when we are still
working hard to implement and refine the observer system."
You: "But you support spirit scoring"
Me: "When you have score keepers spirit scoring is such a minor cost
that this is a ridiculous discussion. The UPA certainly gets more
value out of keeping spirit scores than there is cost to the
organization or players. Personally, I think it is very valuable as
I've seen a number of teams improve their behavior on the field after
getting a low score at an event. I have no problem whatsoever with
the UPA keeping track and recognizing players and teams that play
fairly and respectfully. The value of any award, spirit or otherwise
is only the value that others (not the UPA) gives it."

Now, that we've had that wonderful conversation (with generally good
grammar, spelling, and syntax) I have to respectfully bow out. I
simply do not have the time to keep up with your posts. Mr. Pinto,
I'd like to grant you power to post on my behalf.

-Kyle
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1493 is a reply to message #1491] Fri, 03 October 2008 09:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
degnanNOSPAM
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Kyle, you are a traitor. Sitting down with the leaders of Leberstan
without pre-conditions only legitimizes their terror regime. Even my
friend of 30 years, frmr Secretary of the State of PA, Dr. Bissinger,
agrees with that.
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1494 is a reply to message #1491] Fri, 03 October 2008 09:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mccants
Messages: 2
Registered: October 2008
Junior Member
at some point, i am going to write more on this topic. but, just a
few things.

1. Toad claims that the UPA is ignoring the majority of its members.
Well, I was at Carolina Sectionals and Toad had no idea who Backhoe
was. He even asked "Have they made it to Nationals recently?" If you
are a female ultimate player, you probably want to make sure you vote
and vote for someone that actually knows you exist.

2. Secondly, there have a been a few times where Toad has claimed
that every single survey responded a particular way. I will have you
know that I filled out the survey and did not respond that way. So, I
guess he lost my survey. I wonder how many other surveys he has
lost? Or maybe the question was not worded correctly? Or heaven
forbid, the data collection method was not completely clean from
mistakes?

3. Thirdly, I was a part of the North Carolina version of The
Revolution hosted by the UPA and worked closely with Henry Thorne. I
will have you know that those who did meet for this Revolution
included those from men, women's, and coed club ultimate, league
organizers, high school players, and college players. In general, we
spent very little time talking about the things that Toad claims NC
individuals care about when it comes to ultimate. Honestly, after
about 15 minutes we began to exclusively talk about youth ultimate and
how that is the place that deserves our highest attention right now.
And we continued to talk about that particular sector of ultimate for
over an hour. Granted, those individuals were only from the triangle
area, and the triangle area is only one hot spot of many in NC, but it
is the hottest spot and continues to consistently produce some of (if
not all of the) best club, college, and high school teams in the
state. We spent very little time talking about refs.
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1498 is a reply to message #1493] Fri, 03 October 2008 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dsb
Messages: 40
Registered: September 2008
Member
On Oct 3, 9:15 am, degnanNOS...@gmail.com wrote:
> Kyle, you are a traitor. Sitting down with the leaders of Leberstan
> without pre-conditions only legitimizes their terror regime. Even my
> friend of 30 years, frmr Secretary of the State of PA, Dr. Bissinger,
> agrees with that.

Not only that but it is clear Kyle has been sending BoD forces into
RSD to pursue Leberstan-supported terrorists without dar's permission.
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1499 is a reply to message #1491] Fri, 03 October 2008 10:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Oct 3, 11:45 am, Kyle Weisbrod <kyle.weisb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 3, 11:13 am, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 10:03 am, Kyle Weisbrod <kyle.weisb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 3, 7:16 am, Kyle Weisbrod <kyle.weisb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Just a reminder that you can vote for the UPA Board of Directors by
> > > > logging into your account at:https://www.upa.org/members/login.php?
>
> > > > Contrary to what you might think if you spend time reading RSD,
> > > > whether or not to incorporate referees is not among the most pressing
> > > > issues that face the UPA.  The UPA’s biggest challenges include:
> > > > -       Working with local leagues and organizers to provide increased
> > > > competition opportunities for players at all levels
> > > > -       Continuing to increase the professionalism of the organization while
> > > > integrating the huge growth that the sport has experienced over the
> > > > past 8 years
> > > > -       Optimizing the UPA’s primary communication tools (particularly the
> > > > magazine and website) to provide players and fans relevant information
> > > > in a timely manner.
> > > > -       Continuing the massive growth in the youth division and increasing
> > > > growth at all levels in women’s Ultimate, particularly the youth
> > > > division
>
> > > > I know this not only from the comprehensive strategic plan but from
> > > > discussions I’ve had across the country - with coaches at the YCC in
> > > > Minnesota, elite open and women’s players at tournaments in DC, and
> > > > the players that I coach and play with here in Atlanta to name a few.
>
> > > > With these needs in mind I believe that voters should be looking for:
> > > > -       Candidates with considerable league organization experience who can
> > > > help the UPA continue improving the relationship between the UPA and
> > > > leagues around the country
> > > > -       Candidates with strong business and legal background who can help
> > > > the UPA continue to increase the level of professionalism in the
> > > > organization and sport as well as implement the ambitious five year
> > > > strategic plan
> > > > -       Candidates with strong communication skills who are can improve
> > > > members’ relationships with the UPA through representing them and
> > > > communicating to them about the UPA
>
> > > > Considering these criteria I am endorsing the following candidates in
> > > > the UPA’s 2008 Board Election:
>
> > > > At-Large
>
> > > > Henry Thorne
>
> > > > Henry has a proven record of leadership with the UPA.  Most recently
> > > > as the chair of the UPA’s strategic planning committee Henry committed
> > > > countless hours to shepherding the process through its many phases on
> > > > its scheduled timeline.  Henry effectively managed several volunteers
> > > > and was the driving force behind the UPA’s first long term strategic
> > > > plan.  In addition, Henry has proven business acumen as the founder of
> > > > Cycle Time corp and Aetheon Inc and the co-founder of Thorley
> > > > Industries.  Henry brings a great deal of historical perspective to
> > > > the UPA having served on the Board for three previous terms.  He has
> > > > experience in multiple roles in the sport – from player, to coach, to
> > > > parent.  If reelected, Henry will continue to be an invaluable
> > > > contributor to the UPA and the sport of Ultimate.
>
> > > > Mandy Eckhoff
>
> > > > Mandy Eckhoff fits the ideal profile of what the UPA needs on its
> > > > Board right now.  With non-profit board experience Mandy will be able
> > > > to hit the ground running and bring a higher level of professionalism
> > > > to the UPA Board.  As a lawyer she will be able to provide the UPA
> > > > Board critical legal advice as the Board is losing both of the lawyers
> > > > that are currently serving on the Board at the end of the year.  As a
> > > > committed league organizer from one of the biggest leagues in the
> > > > country Mandy will help guide the UPA in working with leagues and
> > > > league players.  Mandy has the skills and background to help the UPA
> > > > become a much stronger organization.
>
> > > > South
>
> > > > Mike Nash
>
> > > > Mike’s extensive service to the sport of Ultimate and his thoughtful
> > > > demeanor will make him a perfect representative for the South Region.
> > > > I have worked with Mike as an Observer at Club Nationals and AC
> > > > College Regionals and have been more than impressed by his level of
> > > > organization, communication, and commitment to the sport.  As the head
> > > > observer at AC College Regionals he worked diligently to recruit and
> > > > support the best observer crew I have ever worked with.  While most of
> > > > the UPA Board currently resides in Ultimate hotbeds like Atlanta, San
> > > > Francisco, Seattle, Boston or Pittsburgh, Mike lives in Charleston, SC
> > > > and will be able to represent smaller Ultimate communities around the
> > > > country.  Mike is committed to improving the rules and expanding the
> > > > use of observers.  Mike’s service, experience, demeanor and
> > > > perspective will make him a great member of the UPA Board.
>
> > > > Central
>
> > > > Seth Grossinger
>
> > > > While I can’t vote for the Central region representatives, if I could,
> > > > I would vote for Seth Grossinger.  Seth has extensive experience with
> > > > the Twin Cities Ultimate League and Minnesota HS Ultimate League where
> > > > he sits on the board of both.  He brings a strong analytic background
> > > > and would make a great Treasurer for the UPA.  Seth will help the UPA
> > > > in two of the key areas where the organization can improve the most,
> > > > league relationships and professionalism.
>
> > > > Final Note
>
> > > > There are two Board candidates whom I did not endorse but that I feel
> > > > are certainly capable of serving on the Board.  Gwen Ambler is without
> > > > a doubt one of the most pro-active, committed and capable organizers
> > > > in Ultimate.  I feel that she would make an excellent board member but
> > > > could not endorse her over Henry or Mandy because I feel they better
> > > > meet the UPA Board’s current needs.  As a contributor to Ultimate I do
> > > > not know many that do more than Gwen.
>
> > > > John Terry is no doubt a future Hall of Fame Ultimate organizer.  I
> > > > have been around youth Ultimate for over 15 years and I have never met
> > > > a youth player so organized, responsible, and committed to improving
> > > > Ultimate.  His websitewww.youthultimate.comisatestamentto his
> > > > drive and commitment.  In all honesty, I would be perfectly happy
> > > > being represented by John even now but feel that Mike’s experience
> > > > makes him a better representative.
>
> > > > We are lucky to have such a strong group of candidates running for the
> > > > UPA Board of Directors.  The UPA and the sport of Ultimate have never
> > > > been in such a strong position and have never had such a promising
> > > > future.  It’s an exciting time to be a part of this sport!
>
> > > Hey, I just want to clarify.  While it's probably obvious to most of
> > > you, these endorsements do not represent the UPA or UPA Board of
> > > Directors and are the sole opinion of me, Kyle Weisbrod.
>
> > > -Kyle- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > ok, so why dont YOU, kyle w respond to my contentions????
>
> Toad, what in your comment am I going to respond to?  The UPA issued a
> fairly clear public statement on the strategic planning process.  I am
> using the strategic plan and my discussions with people around the
> country to define what I believe are the critical needs of the UPA.

but dont ya think a whole lot of people got left out of that process?
------------------------------------------------------------ -----
> You can disagree with me on those needs but I've provided plenty of
> supporting evidence for why I believe they are what they are.

which is unrepresentative!
----------------------------------------------------------
> You: "But you are anti-referee"
> Me: "Based on my experience with reffing in Ultimate, playing refereed
> sports, and from listening to other UPA members I think it is worth
> continuing to refine the observer system.  I have no problem with
> groups experimenting with referees (and would happily play and referee
> in such experimentations) but I have found no compelling argument for
> the UPA to spend its limited resources on referees when we are still
> working hard to implement and refine the observer system."


so i'd say you dont support the creed "if theres ref in it it anit
ultimate", then right? Does that mean you would be in favor of
changing the official definition......ya know, since refed games are
goverened and controled by refs and not sotg(which the same could be
sid for observers and sotg too)? also it dosent even describe the
object of the game.
------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------
> You: "But you support spirit scoring"
> Me: "When you have score keepers spirit scoring is such a minor cost
> that this is a ridiculous discussion.

but wouldnt it be smarter to use that "minor cost" in upgrading the
observer system(with observer ratings and basic rule info), ya know,
since everybodys into observing and very few are into spirit scoring.
---------------------------------------------------


 The UPA certainly gets more
> value out of keeping spirit scores than there is cost to the
> organization or players.  Personally, I think it is very valuable as
> I've seen a number of teams improve their behavior on the field after
> getting a low score at an event.

awwwww, aint that sweet
----------------------------------------------------------



 I have no problem whatsoever with
> the UPA keeping track and recognizing players and teams that play
> fairly and respectfully.  The value of any award, spirit or otherwise
> is only the value that others (not the UPA) gives it."

you think the players would really be doing that on their own if you
guys didnt facilitate it???
-----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Now, that we've had that wonderful conversation (with generally good
> grammar, spelling, and syntax) I have to respectfully bow out.  I
> simply do not have the time to keep up with your posts.


just keep your answers brief, the membership should be made aware of
where you, and all the bosrd members stand on some of these issues.
-------------------------------------------------------



 Mr. Pinto,
> I'd like to grant you power to post on my behalf.


nobody give a shit what punto thinks about anything.......and we
already know anyways. He has no policy or decision making power
either. This is all just part of you guys needing to be more
communicative and transparent. Better get used to it.
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1501 is a reply to message #1498] Fri, 03 October 2008 10:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Head Beagle
Messages: 65
Registered: September 2008
Member
On Oct 3, 12:59 pm, dsb <rowan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 3, 9:15 am, degnanNOS...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Kyle, you are a traitor. Sitting down with the leaders of Leberstan
> > without pre-conditions only legitimizes their terror regime. Even my
> > friend of 30 years, frmr Secretary of the State of PA, Dr. Bissinger,
> > agrees with that.
>
> Not only that but it is clear Kyle has been sending BoD forces into
> RSD to pursue Leberstan-supported terrorists without dar's permission.

Oh dear....
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1504 is a reply to message #1494] Fri, 03 October 2008 10:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Oct 3, 12:23 pm, mccants <RunningDiv...@aol.com> wrote:
> at some point, i am going to write more on this topic.  but, just a
> few things.
>
> 1.  Toad claims that the UPA is ignoring the majority of its members.
> Well, I was at Carolina Sectionals and Toad had no idea who Backhoe
> was.

i had some idea....i guessed right in fact didnt i. but hey, i dont
know shit about the wnba either.
------------------------------------------------------------ --------


 He even asked "Have they made it to Nationals recently?"

what can i say......i dont really follow womens ulti. i think i knww
you were nationals contenders though.....or at least a triangle team
of some sort was. just can keep up with the team names i guess.
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------


 If you
> are a female ultimate player, you probably want to make sure you vote
> and vote for someone that actually knows you exist.


whaaaaaa?!?! are board members required to know every team to have
good and smart ideas of how to better market it? kinda a
snobby(elitest) attitude if ya ask me
----------------------------------------------------------
>
> 2.  Secondly, there have a been a few times where Toad has claimed
> that every single survey responded a particular way.  I will have you
> know that I filled out the survey and did not respond that way.


oh yea, which one?
----------------------------------------------


 So, I
> guess he lost my survey.  I wonder how many other surveys he has
> lost?  Or maybe the question was not worded correctly?  Or heaven
> forbid, the data collection method was not completely clean from
> mistakes?

actually i only calculated 5 of the categoyies and skimmed over the
rest.
----------------------------------------------------------
>
> 3.  Thirdly, I was a part of the North Carolina version of The
> Revolution hosted by the UPA and worked closely with Henry Thorne.  I
> will have you know that those who did meet for this Revolution
> included those from men, women's, and coed club ultimate, league
> organizers, high school players, and college players.

how many total? surley you took a head count.
------------------------------------------------------------ -



 In general, we
> spent very little time talking about the things that Toad claims NC
> individuals care about when it comes to ultimate.

yea, most people are aprehensive to bring up the issues that i openly
discuss......especially with such spirit zealotry by those in
control.......in fear they will be cast out.
------------------------------------------------------------ --------



 Honestly, after
> about 15 minutes we began to exclusively talk about youth ultimate and
> how that is the place that deserves our highest attention right now.


so you want to spend all the money we collectivly contribute to a
group of people that dont contibute???? and isnt the youth movement
somthing thats more of a localized grassroots issue. who knows, maybe
that meeting was just full of a bunch of flim flammers that dont
represent those that maybe have better things to do that go to that
meeting, like go play or watch some other sport.
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------
> And we continued to talk about that particular sector of ultimate for
> over an hour.

so what was the conclusion of all that talk,
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------


 Granted, those individuals were only from the triangle
> area, and the triangle area is only one hot spot of many in NC, but it
> is the hottest spot and continues to consistently produce some of (if
> not all of the) best club,

did i mention sensing a snobby elitest attitude before
-------------------------------------------------------



college, and high school teams in the
> state.  We spent very little time talking about refs.


well, you, just like the upa might be a little out of touch with the
desires of the people that play in your section......and even some of
the girls on your own team.
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1505 is a reply to message #1504] Fri, 03 October 2008 10:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Buck
Messages: 54
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Member
You need to work some better sound bites into your responses.
I suggest PIT BULL, MAVERICK, NUCULAR, and JOE SIX PACK.

You're in danger of losing your base. and you don't want that to
belong to us.
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1534 is a reply to message #1499] Fri, 03 October 2008 13:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
Messages: 601
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Oct 3, 10:03 am, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:

> > You: "But you support spirit scoring"
> > Me: "When you have score keepers spirit scoring is such a minor cost
> > that this is a ridiculous discussion.
>
> but wouldnt it be smarter to use that "minor cost" in upgrading the
> observer system(with observer ratings and basic rule info), ya know,
> since everybodys into observing and very few are into spirit scoring.

Toad, spirit scoring isn't hurting anyone. It's a positive way for a
community to highlight those who are comporting themselves well, and
let those who aren't know that too. Your crusade against it is
starting to seem downright silly.

> nobody give a shit what punto thinks about anything....

Methinks you doth protest too much. You obviously do since you
respond to every sentence I lob out onto the interwebs for your
perusal.

~p
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1536 is a reply to message #1504] Fri, 03 October 2008 13:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
Messages: 601
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Oct 3, 10:29 am, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
> > 1.  Toad claims that the UPA is ignoring the majority of its members.
> > Well, I was at Carolina Sectionals and Toad had no idea who Backhoe
> > was.
>
> i had some idea....i guessed right in fact didnt i.  but hey, i dont
> know shit about the wnba either.

That would be relevant if you were running for a leadership position
in the WNBA. Not recognizing an elite team from within your own state
is pretty embarrassing for a dude who claims to be better in touch
with the ultimate community than the current crew. As a bonus
question, do you know off the top of your head how many houses you
own?

> whaaaaaa?!?!  are board members required to know every team to have
> good and smart ideas of how to better market it?  kinda a
> snobby(elitest) attitude if ya ask me

Every team? Maybe not. Teams that play in your backyard? Hard not
to know about them unless you're pretty uninvolved in the scene.
Dude, I've seen Backhoe play this year and I live in California.

> well, you, just like the upa might be a little out of touch with the
> desires of the people that play in your section......and even some of
> the girls on your own team.

And you're better in touch with her team, you know, the one you've
never heard of?

~p
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1539 is a reply to message #1534] Fri, 03 October 2008 13:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Oct 3, 4:27 pm, "MrPi...@gmail.com" <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
g....
>
> Methinks you doth protest too much.  You obviously do since you
> respond to every sentence I lob out onto the interwebs for your
> perusal.

i guess that means you equally care about what i think. point is, you
still have no power....and on top of that no cred AND it seems that
kyle has even more motivation for being transparent than
punto........so wouldnt wa all be much more interested in what kyles
got to say.......we know your listening, c'mon, dont be a pussy.
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1540 is a reply to message #1536] Fri, 03 October 2008 13:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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On Oct 3, 4:34 pm, "MrPi...@gmail.com" <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > i had some idea....i guessed right in fact didnt i.  but hey, i dont
> > know shit about the wnba either.
>
> That would be relevant if you were running for a leadership position
> in the WNBA.  Not recognizing an elite team from within your own state
> is pretty embarrassing for a dude who claims to be better in touch
> with the ultimate community than the current crew.  As a bonus
> question, do you know off the top of your head how many houses you
> own?

around 20......but i have no earthly idea of the names of each and
everyone of my tenants. I try to remember one first name of each
household but when i dont they certianly arent offended.......and nore
should that back ho be. it dosent really surprise me though when some
needy ultimate player thinks someone rememberin their team name is
more improtant than the sport of ultimate itself and its progression
and evolution.
------------------------------------------------------------ -
>
> Every team?  Maybe not.  Teams that play in your backyard?  Hard not
> to know about them unless you're pretty uninvolved in the scene.
> Dude, I've seen Backhoe play this year and I live in California.

good for you
------------------------------------------------
>
> And you're better in touch with her team, you know, the one you've
> never heard of?

not being familiar with the goofy name of some ultimate team and not
having a grip on how to market and promote a sport are two different
things that are in no way shape or form related.
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1542 is a reply to message #1534] Fri, 03 October 2008 13:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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On Oct 3, 4:27 pm, "MrPi...@gmail.com" <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > but wouldnt it be smarter to use that "minor cost" in upgrading the
> > observer system(with observer ratings and basic rule info), ya know,
> > since everybodys into observing and very few are into spirit scoring.
>
> Toad, spirit scoring isn't hurting anyone.

who's it helpin?
-------------------------------------


 It's a positive way for a
> community to highlight those who are comporting themselves well


well some people thought and put down the comment "its gay" on my
spirit score survey. no one comented about any of the other issues
being "gay".
-------------------------------------------------



, and
> let those who aren't know that too.

do ya think they really give a shit though?
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------



 Your crusade against it is
> starting to seem downright silly.


"IT" is the only thing that is downright silly
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1544 is a reply to message #1540] Fri, 03 October 2008 14:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sideline
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> > And you're better in touch with her team, you know, the one you've
> > never heard of?
>
> not being familiar with the goofy name of some ultimate team and not
> having a grip on how to market and promote a sport are two different
> things that are in no way shape or form related.

Aaaand... goodbye to 20+ potential votes (that is, if any of said
"goofy name" ultimate team were considering voting for you in the
first place). But don't worry Toad, I'm sure the margin of victory
won't be that close.

P.S. Marketing and promoting a sport usually involves knowing the team
names. Just sayin'.
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1546 is a reply to message #1544] Fri, 03 October 2008 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
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On Oct 3, 2:17 pm, sideline <sidelineheck...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Aaaand... goodbye to 20+ potential votes (that is, if any of said
> "goofy name" ultimate team were considering voting for you in the
> first place).  But don't worry Toad, I'm sure the margin of victory
> won't be that close.

Toad's pretty confident. He doesn't need votes from a lot of folk:
1) Mixed players (he's suggesting axing mixed altogether a few times
then backed down, sort of)
2) Female players (particularly the ones in his state, strangely).
3) Republicans
4) The religious
5) Folks who believe in SOTG
6) Folks who believe in acting like a grown-up
7) English teachers
8) Math teachers
9) MBAs

I'm pretty sure that he figures the silent majority is big enough to
make up for the demos he's not targeting (or more accurately, the
demos he's targeted negatively). I question his estimation of the
"silent majorities" existence and priorities, but even more than that
I wonder what sort of person fails to fill out a survey but takes the
time to research candidates and vote in elections. Time will tell I
suppose.

~p
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1553 is a reply to message #1544] Fri, 03 October 2008 16:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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On Oct 3, 5:17 pm, sideline <sidelineheck...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > And you're better in touch with her team, you know, the one you've
> > > never heard of?
>
> > not being familiar with the goofy name of some ultimate team and not
> > having a grip on how to market and promote a sport are two different
> > things that are in no way shape or form related.
>
> Aaaand... goodbye to 20+ potential votes (that is, if any of said
> "goofy name" ultimate team were considering voting for you in the
> first place).  But don't worry Toad, I'm sure the margin of victory
> won't be that close.
>
> P.S. Marketing and promoting a sport usually involves knowing the team
> names.  Just sayin'.

like i said......aint noone gonna not vote for me because of that
petty shit. and if they do, ultimates got bigger problems than i
thought.

you think the guys on the home depot board know the names of all thier
manufacturers and suppliers? case closed!
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1568 is a reply to message #1546] Sat, 04 October 2008 05:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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On Oct 3, 5:38 pm, "MrPi...@gmail.com" <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> then backed down, sort of)
> 2) Female players (particularly the ones in his state, strangely).

got no problem with chicks playin. it aint like they can represent in
the competitive world of sports entertainment(like men in all sports
do, save billiards and maybe beach vollyball((wonder why???)))) but i
have no problem representing women that understand this to be a
reality. Now i wouldnt represent the kind of women that would ban
themselvs from watching the superbowl because they thought it was
sexist and because there wasnt an equal presentation offered for a
womens div.
--------------------------------------------------------
> 3) Republicans

i never let politics or relegion get in the way of my sports
entertainment. but i simply cant help but to draw the corelations
between the poitricks that occur within the upa admin and the gop. Of
course ultimate has yet to make (or even try to make) its sport geared
towards being entertaining. when it does, the gop correlation will be
less of a factor because the ONLY way for it to be entertaining is to
shelf all the dogmatic, cult like, spirit centric philosophies and
attitudes.
------------------------------------------------------------ ---
> 4) The religious
> 5) Folks who believe in SOTG

since these are one in the same....... But again, i dont let religion
get in the way of my sports entertainment. when its entertwined into
the rule structure though, i have a BIG proplem. Of course, again,
ultimate cant be presently classified as being entertaining to anyone
other than those playing it.
-------------------------------------------------------
> 6) Folks who believe in acting like a grown-up

thats a joke.......the sport where grown men argue calls like 1st
graderss
------------------------------------------------------------ ---
> 7) English teachers
> 8) Math teachers
> 9) MBAs

how do you figure i would have a problem with any of those. and ive
always been a numbers/math guy. i mean with out math......how would i
be able to count up all my money or build houses
Re: Kyle's UPA Board of Director Endorsements [message #1569 is a reply to message #1505] Sat, 04 October 2008 06:04 Go to previous message
joadntoad
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On Oct 3, 1:35 pm, Joe Buck <birdf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You need to work some better sound bites into your responses.
> I suggest PIT BULL, MAVERICK, NUCULAR, and JOE SIX PACK.
>
> You're in danger of losing your base.  and you don't want that to
> belong to us.

i though you quit arguing with me. what was that reason again?
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