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UOA at FCS [message #140878] Mon, 09 June 2014 09:12 Go to next message
brian_gane
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The finals as well as several other games at FCS were officiated by the Ultimate Officials Association. I am looking to gather some feedback from the players and fans who were able to take advantage of the opportunity.

For me personally I though it was pretty neat. The whistles make it very obvious when play stops and starts. Those guys were running hard and always seemed to be in good position to make the calls needed. My only issue was one time I had the frisbee, I was being all chill as usual. Then it occurred to me that the count was probably getting high and I better do something quick. I think players could adapt to this quickly were it the standard, but I would have appreciated some sort of notice like a "7" call or something.

Lets hear what you guys think. I appreciate all the players being receptive to trying something new.

BG

P.S. There were some Dire Wolf guys filming their quarters game which was officiated by the UOA. Any chance they will put it up on Youtube or something cool like that? I'd appreciate a link or anything that could provide us with some video footage.
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140880 is a reply to message #140878] Mon, 09 June 2014 18:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colinmcintyre
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Played one game under the UOA officials. Barely noticed the officials, except for the whistles and prompt time warnings. Few contested calls in the game, thus few rulings, so it's not a great test (or showcase) of the system.

Whistles were confusing for some players, who tended to stop (playing to the whistle), rather than continuing to play until the thrower acknowledged the call (or the whistle, or whatever).

Seemed like players on the field and people on the sideline often did not know what was called when play stopped after a whistle. Heard less than I'm accustomed to from observers, in terms of announcing the calls.

It's always nice having someone keep time for you.

Overall, good to experience once. Interesting to see a different system. Not something I'd be interested in doing again - would prefer to focus on playing Ultimate, rather than remembering which calls are active, what the whistle means in this sport, whether to stall or not, etc.

Especially if there are not enough observers to cover all the games, I prefer to have playing remain as similar as possible between observed and unobserved games.
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140885 is a reply to message #140880] Wed, 11 June 2014 08:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mozaic
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Similar experience to Colin.

One game, few calls. Barely noticed and appreciated the time management although that would happen under standard observers.

One issue which I raised with them mid-game during a timeout was the active travel calls. Not being able to call travels was frustrating when we saw numerous uncalled travels happening (not small drags - lots of direction changes, steps during a huck to gain momentum).

But they were very receptive to feedback and for remainder of game, brought the travels under control - i think one player then got called 3 times in one point shortly after.

Also same with Brian, a warning at stall 5 or 7 would be nice.

Cheers
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140889 is a reply to message #140885] Wed, 11 June 2014 13:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
brian_gane
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I copied this from Ring of Fire captain Ben Dieter's post in the FCS pools and schedule thread so all the UOA feedback is in one place......

Here's a quick word on the UOA games. I played on Ring Y, and we had 3 UOA reffed games. From a player's perspective, the active calls provided quick and resolutions. The game speed was much quicker, with all 3 of the games to 15 being finished well before other rounds with similar scores. We had parents and wives on the sidelines who were appreciative of the refs calling out the score periodically and audibly explaining rulings quickly. The only thing that brought any negative reaction were the silent stall counts by the refs. Players weren't used to it, but I think ultimate players would adjust quickly if that were standard (just like basketball's silent counts).

BG
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140895 is a reply to message #140880] Thu, 12 June 2014 19:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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On Monday, June 9, 2014 9:57:02 PM UTC-4, Colin wrote:


---pure hardline upa 'observer' who is probably upset that the upa changed his dumb two fingered "thumbs up" signal for "up" to the UOA one index finger pointing 'up' since that's how the known world points 'up'
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Played one game under the UOA officials. Barely noticed the
> officials, except for the whistles and prompt time warnings.


--sounds AWESOME...especially since the refs were calling EVERYTHING except fouls and picks.
~~~~~~~~~~
> Few contested calls in the game, thus few rulings, so it's
> not a great test (or showcase) of the system.


--UOA games are always very spirited with few fouls call and contests, since with officials, teams can't cheat via bad lame calls.
~~~~~~~~~~

> Whistles were confusing for some players, who tended to stop
> (playing to the whistle), rather than continuing to play
> until the thrower acknowledged the call (or the whistle, or
> whatever).



---which players? no one mentioned being 'confused' during the weekend...and we spoke with a lot of players. i didn't see a single instance of anyone stopping at the whistle when play should have continued.

we tell every captain at the pregame conference to 'catch or defend the airborne disc after the whistle'....just the same as is always the case with ultimate(play on after a pick or foul call)

i didn't see an instance of 'confusion'
~~~~~~~~~~
> Seemed like players on the field and people on the sideline
> often did not know what was called when play stopped after a
> whistle.


---hand signals and verbal announcements were in full effect.
~~~~~~~~~~~
Heard less than I'm accustomed to from observers,
> in terms of announcing the calls.



---Thanks! that's another huge compliment!
~~~~~~~~~~~

> Overall, good to experience once.


---get used to it!
~~~~~~~~~~
Interesting to see a
> different system. Not something I'd be interested in doing
> again -


---someone on reddit posted this....
I wasn't at FCS but played multiple UOA tournaments in college. Those tournaments provided my favorite playing experience of my ultimate career. Observers actively counted stalls, called in/out, up/down, etc and quickly ruled on any calls which kept the game flowing quickly.


this guy went to MULTIPLE UOA events....and was their favorite playing experience. i wonder what's the difference between someone cool as heck like reddit writer 'sonic loves chilidogs' and you?!?!?!
~~~~~~~~~~~~
would prefer to focus on playing Ultimate, rather
> than remembering which calls are active, what the whistle
> means in this sport, whether to stall or not, etc.



---oddly enough, most players have told us that what they like MOST about the UOA, was their ability to focus MORE on PLAYING....since they have to worry LESS about all the other bullshit stuff that normally leads to discussions and delays and cheating.

HOLD ON....YOU can't remember that the players' calls are FOUL and PICK?
2 calls is too much for you to remember colin??????
2? two???? two calls prevents you from be able to focus on playing ultimate?

??????you can't focus on playing....because you don't have to count the stall, call travels, argue over fouls and picks, call the disc up or down, worry about delay of game tactics, deal with restarting play?????
~~~~~~~~~~~
> Especially if there are not enough observers to cover all
> the games, I prefer to have playing remain as similar as
> possible between observed and unobserved games.


---lame....
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140896 is a reply to message #140885] Thu, 12 June 2014 19:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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> One issue which I raised with them mid-game during a timeout
> was the active travel calls. Not being able to call travels
> was frustrating when we saw numerous uncalled travels
> happening (not small drags - lots of direction changes,
> steps during a huck to gain momentum).



--to this i'd say.......
THIS is a prime reason to take the travel call away from the players.
they think a ton of things that aren't travels...are travels.

jason and i are both pretty well trained on calling travels......and we don't think we missed a single travel all weekend.

~~~~~~~~~~~

> But they were very receptive to feedback and for remainder
> of game, brought the travels under control - i think one
> player then got called 3 times in one point shortly after.



---yes, very receptive. we're good officials always ready and willing to talk to players and coaches.
~~~~~~~~~~
> Also same with Brian, a warning at stall 5 or 7 would be
> nice.


---how many stalls were called in UOA games? zero.
how many last second emergency hucks when the stall got high? one.....deep hammer as the 10th chop started.

conclusion: no need for a warning.

we love suggestions and getting feedback....but there simply won't be a verbal warning.
we used to do that....but we're past it and we know that there's no need.

we relate a lot of what we do to high school basketball where there's no shot clock.
the players don't have someone shouting the 10 sec back court count at them....
players don't have a verbal '5 second closely guarded' count...just a chop from the ref.
players don't have a verbal '5 seconds to inbound the ball'.....just an arm chop.

since there were no stalls and only one well timed late stall huck....we think we've got the stall count figured out.

~~~~~

---not defensive...just giving you our philosophies.
keep the comments coming!
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140897 is a reply to message #140889] Thu, 12 June 2014 20:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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> I copied this from Ring of Fire captain Ben Dieter's post in
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Here's a quick word on the UOA games. I played on Ring Y,
> and we had 3 UOA reffed games. From a player's perspective,
> the active calls provided quick and resolutions. The game
> speed was much quicker, with all 3 of the games to 15 being
> finished well before other rounds with similar scores.


---ahhhhhhhhhhh......that sounds AWESOME!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
We
> had parents and wives on the sidelines who were appreciative
> of the refs calling out the score periodically and audibly
> explaining rulings quickly.


----we've ALWAYS said this about grand parents and parents and friends who attend.
i always have figured that folks didn't BELIEVE me when i reported this.
it's GREAT to see a super reputable fella like Ben D say the same thing!
thanks!
~~~~~~~~~~~~
The only thing that brought any
> negative reaction were the silent stall counts by the refs.
> Players weren't used to it, but I think ultimate players
> would adjust quickly if that were standard (just like
> basketball's silent counts).



---Ben, we think that they adjusted well, as i've mentioned.
no stalls and one perfectly timed desperation huck on 9 with no cutters.

i'd say that the silent stall is a million times better than only getting 6 or 7 seconds to throw from your OPPONENT DEFENDER!
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140899 is a reply to message #140880] Fri, 13 June 2014 03:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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> Seemed like players on the field and people on the sideline
> often did not know what was called when play stopped after a
> whistle.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


---wow....this opinion seems to be in SHARP contrast to what Ring captain Ben Dieter wrote.
His review included a mention of parents and wives LIKING the ruling explanations and the score being announced after each goal.

i'm going to go with BEN DIETER on this one!
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140900 is a reply to message #140880] Fri, 13 June 2014 03:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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Colin wrote:
> Whistles were confusing for some players, who tended to stop
> (playing to the whistle), rather than continuing to play
> until the thrower acknowledged the call (or the whistle, or
> whatever).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


---again........we didn't see ANY SORT of confusion from ANY player.
perhaps you should have attended the captains meeting prior to the game and you would have heard....'catch or defend the airborne disc after the whistle'

captains meeting...10 minutes prior to game time....like clock work.....not 14 minutes.....10 minutes.

all are welcome.
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140903 is a reply to message #140899] Fri, 13 June 2014 08:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colinmcintyre
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anakin gerics wrote on Fri, 13 June 2014 06:51
> Seemed like players on the field and people on the sideline
> often did not know what was called when play stopped after a
> whistle.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


---wow....this opinion seems to be in SHARP contrast to what Ring captain Ben Dieter wrote.
His review included a mention of parents and wives LIKING the ruling explanations and the score being announced after each goal.

i'm going to go with BEN DIETER on this one!


I don't know Ben Dieter. No reason to dispute the experience he had at a game I did not see. Maybe the officiating was not consistent across games.
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140904 is a reply to message #140900] Fri, 13 June 2014 09:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colinmcintyre
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anakin gerics wrote on Fri, 13 June 2014 06:58
Colin wrote:
> Whistles were confusing for some players, who tended to stop
> (playing to the whistle), rather than continuing to play
> until the thrower acknowledged the call (or the whistle, or
> whatever).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


---again........we didn't see ANY SORT of confusion from ANY player.
perhaps you should have attended the captains meeting prior to the game and you would have heard....'catch or defend the airborne disc after the whistle'

captains meeting...10 minutes prior to game time....like clock work.....not 14 minutes.....10 minutes.

all are welcome.


Anakin, maybe you weren't watching carefully, or maybe you weren't at my game. We didn't have much of a crowd -- just the two officials and our teams on the far field.

In our game, captains were ready for a meeting 15 minutes before gametime and the officials weren't ready. Some woman sent out an e-mail to the team captains Thursday night before the tournament with some info about the UOA, but it did not mention captains' meetings 10 minutes before game time. No website, no rulebook, just some sentence fragments with a bare-bones description of some UOA peculiarities. That was all I heard about it. Sent too late for all our players to get a chance to see it. Not very professional.

Seems like the UOA offerings were just two dudes who put on some striped shirts, wandered out to the fields to observe some games, and called themselves an association. Skinny guy who seemed on top of things and a big guy who seemed confused and made sideline calls from the middle of the field. Heard some real nice comments about the skinny guy from some players on other teams. I remember him being a really good college player for Tennessee.

Again, it's nice to have observers to keep time and call lines (if they position well). Definitely helps keep the game moving. We didn't need their help resolving calls, and the experimental stuff they did was not beneficial in our game. Both teams seemed happy to return to unobserved Ultimate under normal rules for the next game.
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140907 is a reply to message #140903] Fri, 13 June 2014 15:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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On Friday, June 13, 2014 11:56:03 AM UTC-4, Colin wrote:


--upa hardliner who's simply got his head in the sand out of fear of having to accept that the UOA is far and away superior to any ultimate officiating on the planet......
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I don't know Ben Dieter.


---hell.....ya better ask somebody!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No reason to dispute the experience
> he had at a game I did not see.


---willful ignorance?
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maybe the officiating was
> not consistent across games.


---that's a dumb thing to say....because you know that that wasn't the case..
YOU wrote that it was a good experience...and then tried to MAKE UP all that 'confusion' with the whistle stuff....and Ben Dieter said the same thing.....and the ChiliDogLover from reddit said that their MULTIPLE UOA events have been their favorite ultimate experiences....

so...if you're all saying that.....and everyone else too.....HOW can you contend that the officiating wasn't consistent?
what the hell does that even mean?

you didn't claim an inconsistency before.....why would you now?
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140908 is a reply to message #140904] Fri, 13 June 2014 16:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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> In our game, captains were ready for a meeting 15 minutes
> before gametime and the officials weren't ready.



---UOA protocol dictates the officials take the field 15 minutes prior to game time to observe the athletes warming up.
UOA protocol dictates the captains meeting be conducted 10 minutes prior to game time.

We took the field at 15 min til...so we were "ready" to observe the athletes warm up.

the officials whistled for captains at exactly 10 minutes prior to game time.

are you SOOOOOO chafed that you had to wait 5 minutes for the captains meeting that you came to rsd to troll?
why didn't you COME to the captains meeting? you walked over 5 min early.....but didn't come back for the meeting....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> sent out an e-mail to the team captains Thursday night
> before the tournament with some info about the UOA, but it
> did not mention captains' meetings 10 minutes before game
> time.


---thank goodness we took the field 15 minutes prior to game time and very kindly and cool as hell, let you know that we'd call captains 10 minutes prior to game time.
what's the deal?
what's wrong with having a set time for the captains meeting?
how were you insulted by being told our protocol?
i mean....i think i already know......but..........
doesn't your association have some protocols?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No website, no rulebook,



---the ole 'no website' troll huh?
colon the troll........with that lame ole 'no website' bullshit.
did the lack of website make the whistle soooo confusing for you?
you couldn't figure out if you should catch or defend the airborne disc....because there's not a UOA website.

we've got a rule book.
it's the bomb.
simple...and just like ultimate as we know it.
~~~~~~~~~~~
just some sentence fragments
> with a bare-bones description of some UOA peculiarities.



----HOLD ON DUDE! sentence fragments confused you........????
brief descriptions of our rules confused you?

fragments like these:
-only officials will call travel.
-only officials will call the disc UP or DOWN.

do you need a website and a rule book to PLAY ultimate with an official calling travel and the disc up or down????

i know that you're awfully wordy.....did i need to turn fragments into paragraphs for you?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> That was all I heard about it. Sent too late for all our
> players to get a chance to see it.



---because no one in philly has a computer to 'forward' emails?
because no one carries their tiny little mini computers in their pockets now-a-days?
because there aren't printers in philly?
because philly captains don't talk to their teammates in the hotel the night before or the morning of games?

again....thank goodness we hold our captains meetings 10 minutes before game time so that the captains could share any necessary info with their teams!!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Seems like the UOA offerings were just two dudes who put on
> some striped shirts, wandered out to the fields to observe
> some games, and called themselves an association. Skinny guy
> who seemed on top of things and a big guy who seemed
> confused and made sideline calls from the middle of the
> field.


---jealous much?
....yes you are!
colon, you are quite the troll, aren't you, you little devil you.....

you'll have to send me the video of a sideline call from the middle of the field.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Heard some real nice comments about the skinny guy
> from some players on other teams. I remember him being a
> really good college player for Tennessee.



---Jason's an ace for sure!


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Again, it's nice to have observers to keep time and call
> lines (if they position well). Definitely helps keep the
> game moving. We didn't need their help resolving calls, and
> the experimental stuff they did was not beneficial in our
> game.


---there was no experimental stuff done in your game.
you were confused by the whistle....and apparently by a great deal more.

you mention that your teams didn't need our help resolving calls.....GREAT!
one of the best feelings of officiating well is.....'man the game went along as if they didn't need us out there at all...........BUT....imagine if we weren't...all the bs travels and contests and stalls and fouls and discussions and delays that WOULD HAVE happened if we weren't there'

a lot of times....the REASON teams don't need help resolving calls...is because they aren't making BS calls BECAUSE there are solid, fair, consistent, dependable officials on hand.
(you and your crew wouldn't know about that.....)
SO...you're welcome!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Both teams seemed happy to return to unobserved
> Ultimate under normal rules for the next game.



---we got rave reviews from your opponent Queen City......all i can figure tho.....is that you have some weird personal vendetta against me. weird huh.....

go on and troll ya little troll......i'm gonna go ahead and take the word of the ChiliDogLover from reddit who says that their MULTIPLE UOA events have been their favorite ultimate experiences of all time.

"happy to return to unobserved ultimate"......DUH! we all love to play ultimate and throw the frisbee.

don't hate......just because you've finally experienced the best officials on the planet....and you couldn't hold a candle to them!
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140909 is a reply to message #140904] Fri, 13 June 2014 16:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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go troll go!
colon, are you going to save the entire ultimate frisbee universe from the use of the whistle.
you should be very proud.

weird that we've hosted sooooo many great events......and you're the very first to be 'confused' about the whistle.
you should be very proud!

i can't help but think that you're JUST a jerk troll....and nothing more.

you're a fake.
a baby....upset about your dumb "disc up" and "disc down" signals being overruled in favor of mine.....

and colon...come on dude.....tell us....DID YOU come up with the dumbest rule in ultimate?
did you?
was the ground tap YOUR IDEA and YOUR IDEA alone????
it was....wasn't it?
what happened TO YOU....that one time...that made you come up with it?
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140910 is a reply to message #140878] Fri, 13 June 2014 17:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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On Monday, June 9, 2014 12:13:07 PM UTC-4, brian_gane wrote:
The whistles
> make it very obvious when play stops and starts.



--hey....i know it's JUST the TD writing this.....a member of Boneyard, who's going to worlds in Italy this summer......but.......COLON....check it out. he wrote......that the whistle makes it obvious when play stops and starts!

HA HA HA or....LOL a lot.
YOU were confused by the whistle.....and the TD says that the whistle MAKES IT OBVIOUS when play stops and starts.

it just makes me confident, colon, that you're a liar and a troll!!!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Those guys
> were running hard and always seemed to be in good position
> to make the calls needed.



---WHOA!!!!.....again.....he's JUST the TD.......but.....he says the UOA officials were always running hard and always seemed to be in good position.

WEIRD that you saw things quite oppositely.
i wonder why?
how is that possible???????
is it because you're JUST a vindictive troll for some reason??????
uh huh......
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Lets hear what you guys think. I appreciate all the players
> being receptive to trying something new.


---oh....except for usaultimate die hard, hardliner colon mc-whatever......he can't handle anything new or different.
AND....he just expects to have HIS captains meeting whenever HE wants to because HE's the captain of HIS team....despite the protocol of the game officials....because it's allllllll about him.
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140911 is a reply to message #140910] Fri, 13 June 2014 17:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Amy, time for the pills
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140912 is a reply to message #140904] Fri, 13 June 2014 19:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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> Seems like the UOA offerings were just two dudes who put on
> some striped shirts, wandered out to the fields to observe
> some games, and called themselves an association.
~~~~~~~~


---thanks for mentioning our uniforms.
yes......we looked outstanding.
we earned several great reviews about how we looked....
one specific comment was......"i like the look...shirts tucked in....much better than those up* kooks"


ANOTHER athlete told us that he liked our look.
to which vain jason weddle replied....do you mean, you think we're handsome and our faces look good?
to which the athlete replied.....no, your uniforms.


gray uniform with black thin pinstripes.
BAM.
good looking officials!!!!!
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140923 is a reply to message #140912] Thu, 19 June 2014 12:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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move this conversation to Reddit. RSD is useless since no one can give an honest opinion without being trolled.
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140924 is a reply to message #140923] Fri, 20 June 2014 03:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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> move this conversation to Reddit. RSD is useless since no
>
> one can give an honest opinion without being trolled.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


---i've never known what "trolled" means......
BUT.......

for rsd...I WOULD SAY.....that often times, folks PRETENDING to give 'honest opinions' are often the REAL TROLLS.....for instance....Colin Mc.

he's a CLASSIC phony whiny bullshit fabricator of fake opinions with the sole purpose of trying to elevate his upa observer program.......
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140925 is a reply to message #140923] Fri, 20 June 2014 03:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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> move this conversation to Reddit. RSD is useless since no
>
> one can give an honest opinion without being trolled.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


> move this conversation to Reddit. RSD is useless since no
>
> one can give an honest opinion without being trolled.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


---i've never known what "trolled" means......
BUT.......

for rsd...I WOULD SAY.....that often times, folks PRETENDING to give 'honest opinions' are often the REAL TROLLS.....for instance....Colin Mc.

he's a CLASSIC phony whiny bullshit fabricator of fake opinions with the sole purpose of trying to elevate his upa observer program.......

OTHERWISE.......he'd actually be on reddit where folks would see his comments and would recognize him as a troll. here....he's sort of hidden since rsd is mostly a ghost town.
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140927 is a reply to message #140925] Fri, 20 June 2014 05:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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quod erat demonstrandum
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140940 is a reply to message #140927] Wed, 25 June 2014 09:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ultimated wrote on Fri, 20 June 2014 05:11
quod erat demonstrandum



He's playing for Greece at the WC ?
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140954 is a reply to message #140896] Mon, 30 June 2014 10:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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[quote title=anakin gerics wrote on Thu, 12 June 2014 19:53]> One issue which I raised with them mid-game during a timeout
> was the active travel calls. Not being able to call travels
> was frustrating when we saw numerous uncalled travels
> happening (not small drags - lots of direction changes,
> steps during a huck to gain momentum).



--to this i'd say.......
THIS is a prime reason to take the travel call away from the players.
they think a ton of things that aren't travels...are travels.

jason and i are both pretty well trained on calling travels......and we don't think we missed a single travel all weekend.

~~~~~~~~~~~

AND... Any motivation I had to read potentially good comments about the UPA or consider the interesting feedback is lost as Gerics makes ridiculous claims of perfection and then gets in arguments with everyone.

Mike Gerics: The UOAs worst enemy.

but, congratulations on actually being involved in your first event in several years. Try to not ruin it.
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140960 is a reply to message #140954] Wed, 02 July 2014 11:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
Any motivation I had to read potentially good comments about the UOA or consider the interesting feedback is lost as Gerics makes ridiculous claims of perfection and then gets in arguments with everyone.


Corrected for clarity.
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140962 is a reply to message #140954] Wed, 02 July 2014 15:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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>
> AND... Any motivation I had to read potentially good
> comments about the UPA or consider the interesting feedback
> is lost as Gerics makes ridiculous claims of perfection and
> then gets in arguments with everyone.



---the UPA? huh?

i don't see a claim of perfection....and i only see one argument with one particularly whiny fella who was told that the captains meeting was 10 minutes prior to game time.

and....i wouldn't call it an argument...to me, it was a simple explanation of the UOA methods, which include having the captains meeting 10 minutes prior to game time.

you should have seen how upset he was that he had to wait 4 minutes...he didn't even return for the captains meeting....and then claims on rsd that we weren't 'ready' to have the meeting.

he's absurd.....similarly to you dan jaxoff.
~~~~~~~~~~~

> Mike Gerics: The UOAs worst enemy.


---i'm a friend to all ultimate and a great asset to all ultimate officiating.
~~~~~~~~~~~

> but, congratulations on actually being involved in your
> first event in several years. Try to not ruin it.


---there's no way we could ruin a great UOA ultimate experience for the teams we officiate.....we're good at what we do.
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140963 is a reply to message #140962] Thu, 03 July 2014 09:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colinmcintyre
Messages: 1256
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
anakin gerics wrote on Wed, 02 July 2014 18:44
>
i don't see a claim of perfection....and i only see one argument with one particularly whiny fella who was told that the captains meeting was 10 minutes prior to game time.


Anakin, I'm pretty sure you weren't even there. Your teenage rants about your Dad's stuff just make you seem immature and/or unhinged.

The captains were ready 15 minutes before the game, but the officials wanted to wait until 10 minutes before gametime. And there was no prior communication about the time of the captains' meeting in the e-mail that your mom sent to the teams. So I went to go keep warming up and one of our other leaders went to the captains meeting when it happened. Nobody was upset, as far as I know. You shouldn't feel disrespected on behalf of your father, just because a different team leader attended the meeting.

And then I gave feedback on some of the UOA experiments, which I experienced. Again, you weren't even there. I thought it would be helpful to provide specific feedback from the perspective of someone who is very familiar with the observer system (playing and observing at college and club nationals). A lot of feedback on observers from young college players is "I love observers compared to self-officiating without them" regardless of the specific system or experiments used. I know your dad loves to get general feedback like "the observers helped keep the game moving quickly" and claim it's due to his special experiments. My feedback was consistent with the general feedback -- having people keeping time and making line calls helps move the game along. Silent stall, active travels, and whistles did not have a positive impact in my game compared to a standard observer system.

Observers had very little involvement in my game, besides keeping time between points and making a few line calls. We played against a competitive and respectful opponent, and I have no reason to believe they'd have behaved otherwise without observers -- I know that team and have played them a few years back.

Anyway, Anakin, I'm not sure what your problem is. I've met your dad twice, and I don't believe some of the things he says. That's about the extent of it. You seem real worked up about me posting feedback on your dad's stuff. Maybe your dad has lots to say about me when you're at home and you're on the computer. At the other end, he's not a major part of my life. Most of his achievements and activity predate my participation in the sport.

Colin
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140965 is a reply to message #140963] Fri, 04 July 2014 06:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
Messages: 1362
Registered: November 2009
Senior Member
> Anakin, I'm pretty sure you weren't even there. Your teenage
> rants about your Dad's stuff just make you seem immature
> and/or unhinged.


---talk about unhinged!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> The captains were ready 15 minutes before the game, but the
> officials wanted to wait until 10 minutes before gametime.


---we've done that for every game we've officiated.
why did it look like you were going to cry when you were informed we'd have the captains meeting 10 minutes before game time?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> And there was no prior communication about the time of the
> captains' meeting in the e-mail sent to the
> teams.


---thank goodness we took the field 15 minutes prior to game time as we do for every single game we officiate....unlike some upa 'observer' who i've seen show up AFTER GAME TIME at their college AND club championships.

you ought to be happy that we're always on time.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
So I went to go keep warming up and one of our other
> leaders went to the captains meeting when it happened.
> Nobody was upset, as far as I know. You shouldn't feel
> disrespected , just because a
> different team leader attended the meeting.


---then what are you crying about?
~~~~~~~~~~~~

> And then I gave feedback on some of the UOA experiments,


---we weren't conducting any experiments.
we're pretty fine tuned with what we do...which is why we stepped on the field 15 min prior to game time, held the captains meeting 10 minutes prior.....and announced 90 seconds to game time as we hustled the teams onto the field and took our starting positions.
we do the same thing every game....like clockwork.
no experiments.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> thought it would be helpful to provide specific feedback
> from the perspective of someone who is very familiar with
> the observer system (playing and observing at college and
> club nationals).


---having done all the same and more that you mention....you read more like the whiny fella that you are....just trying to downplay how great the UOA methods are.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A lot of feedback on observers from young
> college players is "I love observers compared to
> self-officiating without them" regardless of the specific
> system or experiments used.


---our experience has been that college players have told us that they love our officiating a LOT MORE THAN upa observers. so....get that clear!

we get the same rave reviews from parents and grandparents and family and friends.....
AND...at FSC....a brand new demographic gave us props.....WIVES!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> general feedback like "the observers helped keep the game
> moving quickly" and claim it's due to his special
> experiments.


---i don't think that keeping time between points is an "experiment"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Silent stall, active travels, and
> whistles did not have a positive impact in my game compared
> to a standard observer system.


---so, you're saying that the silent stall, active travels and whistles were the reason for your poor play?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Observers had very little involvement in my game, besides
> keeping time between points and making a few line calls. We
> played against a competitive and respectful opponent, and I
> have no reason to believe they'd have behaved otherwise
> without observers -- I know that team and have played them a
> few years back.


---yeah, Queen City Thunder has always been cool as heck, yep.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'm not sure what your problem is. we've met
> twice, and I don't believe some of the things he
> says. That's about the extent of it.


---like you being upset that your thumbs up were gotten rid of in favor of pointing up?
....or you coming to near tears because you were 5 minutes early for the captains meeting?
~~~~~~~~~~~

At the other end, he's not a major part of
> my life. Most of his achievements and activity predate my
> participation in the sport.


---colon....i'm on your mind, on your lips, on your finger tips, and in your heart.
that's fine.

one day....you might do something for the sport besides laying down strings to keep fans 5 yards from the field or donating a cookie with your face on it to upa headquarters.

good luck
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140968 is a reply to message #140896] Fri, 04 July 2014 17:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dannonjax
Messages: 120
Registered: February 2012
Senior Member
anakin gerics wrote on Thu, 12 June 2014 19:53
>
jason and i are both pretty well trained on calling travels......and we don't think we missed a single travel all weekend.

~~~~~~~~~~~

> !


There is your claim to perfection.

You missed travel calls, sorry to break it to you, but you aren't perfect.
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140970 is a reply to message #140968] Fri, 04 July 2014 20:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
Messages: 1362
Registered: November 2009
Senior Member
> You missed travel calls, sorry to break it to you, but you
>
> aren't perfect.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


---guess again! twice!
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140974 is a reply to message #140878] Tue, 08 July 2014 14:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mozaic
Messages: 141
Registered: February 2011
Senior Member
Came back to this thread seeing a lot moer posts thinking there may have been some constructive feedback and communication with respect to UOA.

Instead it seems that Gerics is unwilling as usual to listen to the people who play and experienced his system.

As for travels, sorry, but to go from zero travels called for half the game, to multiple travels per point after being told you are missing flagrant breaches is a prime indicator you were not doing the job.

To say players don't know what a travel is, is a pretty week copout.

Further, instead of taking on board good constructive feedback from multiple teams, you instead decide to insult and ignore what they say.

Someone said it above. You are a key reason why people consider the UOA is a joke.
Re: UOA at FCS [message #140986 is a reply to message #140974] Thu, 10 July 2014 13:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
Messages: 1362
Registered: November 2009
Senior Member
> Came back to this thread seeing a lot moer posts thinking
> there may have been some constructive feedback and
> communication with respect to UOA.
>
> Instead it seems that Gerics is unwilling as usual to listen
> to the people who play and experienced his system.



----oh...i listen.....however, i view some of these posters the same way that you view my responses(unwilling to listen and offering phony constructive feedback)

i mean...your pot is calling the kettle black.

that guy colon's feedback is nothing but a whiny fella who tried to force a captains meeting ahead of our protocoled time of 10 min prior to game time. from there....he started making all sorts of wise cracks about our efforts.

i'd call him a troll.... you and others don't know his back story with me personally....so perhaps you don't see it clearly



we DO listen to feedback. sure...some folks want us to shout STALLING before we start the count. some want us to shout FIVE or SEVEN during the stall count.
that's great that they want it...and we LISTEN to that feedback. However....we're not going to do that. We're PAST that. We've done it all sorts of ways...and now we're settled on what we do.

that DOESN'T mean we're not listening
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> As for travels, sorry, but to go from zero travels called
> for half the game, to multiple travels per point after being
> told you are missing flagrant breaches is a prime indicator
> you were not doing the job.


---once, someone asked for a travel call. and ONCE jason called it.
i don't recall all these multiple travels you're talking about.
post the video.

as for not doing our job....guess again. i've 'observed' and 'officiate' plenty of sports and tons of ultimate.....and i've been pretty well assured that both Jason and I are DOING OUR JOB.

as a matter of fact...jason and i finished 1 and 2 at our basketball camp this summer(me #1 that is).....so we KNOW that we're doing our job in the games we officiate.

ALSO...as a matter of fact....i've REFFED some PROFESSIONAL ultimate this summer too.....and have done my job there, well, too.

SO....please....don't get colon's claim confused with us NOT doing our job.

hell.....Jason Weddle has been quoted as saying....."we're better officiating, than most of the players playing"..........and that guy's trustworthy as hell.

~~~~~~~~~~~

> To say players don't know what a travel is, is a pretty week
> copout.



---i'll stand by your...mis....quote.
i'm confident in saying that players make BAD travel calls.
i mean....hasn't that been the SCOURGE of ultimate for generations?????

i don't think that KNOWING that players generally make terrible travel calls is a weak cop-out. i'd say it's reality.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Further, instead of taking on board good constructive
> feedback from multiple teams, you instead decide to insult
> and ignore what they say.


---we take on board the good constructive feedback.
we're going to call every travel that's a travel.
we're not going to shout stalling.
we're not going to shout FIVE or SEVEN.

YOU YOURSELF posted above that we were RECEPTIVE TO FEEDBACK. wouldn't that TELL YOU...that we're open to feedback?????

~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Someone said it above. You are a key reason why people
> consider the UOA is a joke.


---joke or not....we're the best officials for the sport of ultimate.....
we make the game the way everyone wishes it was all the time.
if a couple of asses who feel that it's their god given right to give their opinion and expect an association to change for them, as if the association hadn't tried plenty of other things.....makes the joke on you.

we're NOT going to shout seven and we're not going to shout stalling....and we're going to call every travel that we think is a travel.

if you can't accept those replies....and accept that as accepting feedback....then YOU'RE a joke just like you imagine i am.
Re: UOA at FCS [message #141001 is a reply to message #140986] Mon, 14 July 2014 08:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EuhNGroups
Messages: 1020
Registered: August 2011
Senior Member
Talking about a dead organization in a dead forum

Re: UOA at FCS [message #141004 is a reply to message #141001] Tue, 15 July 2014 19:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
Messages: 1362
Registered: November 2009
Senior Member
> Talking about a dead organization in a dead forum
~~~~~~~~

---talking about it........

.....in a dead forum....

.....talking about it.....

huh.....

dead forum?.....talking about it.....huhm
Re: UOA at FCS [message #141009 is a reply to message #141001] Thu, 17 July 2014 03:41 Go to previous message
mike gerics[1]
Messages: 174
Registered: June 2013
Senior Member
> Talking about a dead organization in a dead forum
~~~~~~~~


---3000 reads.....
doesn't seem soooooo dead.
or...perhaps there's just a HUGE interest in JUST the UOA???

and...over at reddit...
in the College Spring Break Tournaments thread...
+6 pts for the mention of potential UOA spring "Sanctioned 8s" tournaments....
folks seem interested!!!!!!

heck....that's +6, despite the hoard of asshole troll automatic downvoters!!!!
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