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Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13958 is a reply to message #13942] Thu, 26 February 2009 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
Messages: 601
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 10:46 am, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:

> > Dude, it's their house.
>
> BULLSHIT!!! as an equall dues paying member its just as much mine as
> it is theirs!!!

Double bullshit. It's the Board Blog, not The Board Blog and Toad Can
Come To Even Though No One Voted For Him. Blogger's free, so it's not
like they're spending any of the membership dues that you spend a
decade or two ago.

~p
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13963 is a reply to message #13954] Thu, 26 February 2009 11:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 2:20 pm, pinto <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 10:24 am, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
>
> > On Feb 26, 1:09 pm, pinto <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Toadie, that wooshing noise you hear all the time?  That's cultural
> > > references going over your head.
>
> > speaking of wooshing.....i noticed you never replied to that "shit
> > from shinola" reference.  maybe you can research it on the computer
> > real quick though and give the illusion that you are as worldly as you
> > want to appear to be.
>
> You're right... use of the internet is a good way to figure out what
> you don't know.


if your a pussy geek like you. i learn from being on the streets.
------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------
> What you don't know is that the phrase is really kind of a cliché and
> not popular due to a single movie.


arent they all?
------------------------------------------------------------ ---
> The internet can help:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinola


>
> I kind of recall seeing Shinola pop up in your screed at some point or
> other, but I don't recall the question.  I can't imagine that it was
> relevant to anything... can you?


yea ya fuckin jerk.........it was relevant to the movie it was used
in. I guess you just never saw it.......which would make you quite
the dumb ass, eh?
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13965 is a reply to message #13958] Thu, 26 February 2009 11:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 2:26 pm, pinto <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 10:46 am, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
>
> > > Dude, it's their house.
>
> > BULLSHIT!!! as an equall dues paying member its just as much mine as
> > it is theirs!!!
>
> Double bullshit.  It's the Board Blog, not The Board Blog and Toad Can
> Come To Even Though No One Voted For Him.  Blogger's free, so it's not
> like they're spending any of the membership dues that you spend a
> decade or two ago.
>
>      ~p

triple bullshit....its the board blog that i help pay for as a upa
member. and reguardless of when or how much i paid (which you have NO
CLUE OF) i'm an equal member (and some would even say "prefered
member")

If you got a problem with lifetime members being treated equally even
though their money has run out then you need to take that up with the
upa?
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13968 is a reply to message #13953] Thu, 26 February 2009 12:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
StockOption
Messages: 36
Registered: October 2008
Member
On Feb 26, 12:17 pm, Peterson <pevesteter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 12:54 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 6:07 am, Peterson <pevesteter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Joe and Beagle,
>
> > > Please forward me a check for at least 25% of your total annual
> > > income.  I have big plans for it.  I can't tell you exactly what I am
> > > going to do with it but it is going to do someone some good.  Once I
> > > receive your checks I will tell you specifically how I will be
> > > spending it.   Make it snappy- people are suffering and this is the
> > > ONLY way they can be helped. I know we can count on you because you
> > > know my intentions are good and you would never question my ability to
> > > determine what's best under these circumstances.  Help me fight the
> > > good fight.
>
> > > Peterson
>
> > In order to make this the same as what happened with the Stimulus
> > Bill, I need to have a summary of every item the money will be spent
> > for. The GOP had that before the vote in Congress which is how they
> > knew what to complain about on the floor and news channels. Where is
> > your website with this data?
>
> Well if you must know I was going to spend the money on talking about
> ultimate observers / referees, quizes about spirit, sponsorship of the
> US Canine Olympics, some grants to try some other ultimate stuff,
> making Ultimate  "greener", and of course the rest will create
> millions of jobs.  That's the summary.  We are awaiting your funds.
>
> Peterson

One other minor point: a majority of eligible voters did not elect to
put you in charge of their money. So the analogy you propose is more
like... Madoff ponzi scheme, or maybe deposed Nigerian Prince.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13969 is a reply to message #13965] Thu, 26 February 2009 12:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DikEar
Messages: 37
Registered: September 2008
Member
Toad:
"if your a pussy geek like you. i learn from being on the streets."

HAHAHA!!!

This is the (unintentionally) funniest thing Toad has said yet.

Based on your amount of internet usage, I'm guessing you don't spend
much time anywhere besides sitting dutifully at your home computer,
potentially in your messy garage? And certainly not on the ... "mean
streets of Wilmington."

He's become a mockery of a bad impression of himself. I'm over being
annoyed, now I just stare in wonder at the car crash that is this
man's life.

-dikear
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13970 is a reply to message #13968] Thu, 26 February 2009 12:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 12:08 pm, StockOption <StarsAndSk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 12:17 pm, Peterson <pevesteter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 12:54 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 26, 6:07 am, Peterson <pevesteter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Joe and Beagle,
>
> > > > Please forward me a check for at least 25% of your total annual
> > > > income.  I have big plans for it.  I can't tell you exactly what I am
> > > > going to do with it but it is going to do someone some good.  Once I
> > > > receive your checks I will tell you specifically how I will be
> > > > spending it.   Make it snappy- people are suffering and this is the
> > > > ONLY way they can be helped. I know we can count on you because you
> > > > know my intentions are good and you would never question my ability to
> > > > determine what's best under these circumstances.  Help me fight the
> > > > good fight.
>
> > > > Peterson
>
> > > In order to make this the same as what happened with the Stimulus
> > > Bill, I need to have a summary of every item the money will be spent
> > > for. The GOP had that before the vote in Congress which is how they
> > > knew what to complain about on the floor and news channels. Where is
> > > your website with this data?
>
> > Well if you must know I was going to spend the money on talking about
> > ultimate observers / referees, quizes about spirit, sponsorship of the
> > US Canine Olympics, some grants to try some other ultimate stuff,
> > making Ultimate  "greener", and of course the rest will create
> > millions of jobs.  That's the summary.  We are awaiting your funds.
>
> > Peterson
>
> One other minor point: a majority of eligible voters did not elect to
> put you in charge of their money. So the analogy you propose is more
> like... Madoff ponzi scheme, or maybe deposed Nigerian Prince.

So true. Unfortunately, a very vocal and very small minority (on rsd
and in the nation) do not believe that when the majority votes for
something, it is right to do it. They feel good continuing to
complain... since that's all they have to do.

The minority of conservatives in the country "hate" the direction we
are now going in (they really do hate; it's something liberals have
trouble understanding), but they can't do anything about it. So they
bitch.

A minority of UPA members want refs, but they can't do anything about
it. So they bitch (and they love words like fuckin, shit, etc.)
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13973 is a reply to message #13970] Thu, 26 February 2009 12:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Peterson
Messages: 82
Registered: September 2008
Member
On Feb 26, 3:19 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 12:08 pm, StockOption <StarsAndSk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 12:17 pm, Peterson <pevesteter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 26, 12:54 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 26, 6:07 am, Peterson <pevesteter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Joe and Beagle,
>
> > > > > Please forward me a check for at least 25% of your total annual
> > > > > income.  I have big plans for it.  I can't tell you exactly what I am
> > > > > going to do with it but it is going to do someone some good.  Once I
> > > > > receive your checks I will tell you specifically how I will be
> > > > > spending it.   Make it snappy- people are suffering and this is the
> > > > > ONLY way they can be helped. I know we can count on you because you
> > > > > know my intentions are good and you would never question my ability to
> > > > > determine what's best under these circumstances.  Help me fight the
> > > > > good fight.
>
> > > > > Peterson
>
> > > > In order to make this the same as what happened with the Stimulus
> > > > Bill, I need to have a summary of every item the money will be spent
> > > > for. The GOP had that before the vote in Congress which is how they
> > > > knew what to complain about on the floor and news channels. Where is
> > > > your website with this data?
>
> > > Well if you must know I was going to spend the money on talking about
> > > ultimate observers / referees, quizes about spirit, sponsorship of the
> > > US Canine Olympics, some grants to try some other ultimate stuff,
> > > making Ultimate  "greener", and of course the rest will create
> > > millions of jobs.  That's the summary.  We are awaiting your funds.
>
> > > Peterson
>
> > One other minor point: a majority of eligible voters did not elect to
> > put you in charge of their money. So the analogy you propose is more
> > like... Madoff ponzi scheme, or maybe deposed Nigerian Prince.
>
> So true. Unfortunately, a very vocal and very small minority (on rsd
> and in the nation) do not believe that when the majority votes for
> something, it is right to do it. They feel good continuing to
> complain... since that's all they have to do.
>
> The minority of conservatives in the country "hate" the direction we
> are now going in (they really do hate; it's something liberals have
> trouble understanding), but they can't do anything about it. So they
> bitch.
>
> A minority of UPA members want refs, but they can't do anything about
> it. So they bitch (and they love words like fuckin, shit, etc.)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well I don't count myself as a conservative. I don't play ultimate
competitively. The fact you think liberals have trouble
understanding hate it laughable though.

Just admit that the "stimilus" bill was not meant to stimulate
anything other than the agenda of the new administration and
congress.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13975 is a reply to message #13833] Thu, 26 February 2009 12:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Feb 25, 9:49 pm, footbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > @footblock. For whom did you work?
>
> Martinez
>
> To be precise I should say when they did release the text,
> eventually... it was in PDF format. You couldnt search the document
> with key terms. You had to actually go through and read all 1000 pages
>
> But enough of this crap. Its over. Its done. Im done. And Im
> embarrassed to have discussed it in an ultimate forum.

Oh no, the new administration has made it's proposed 2010 budget
available on the web. But alas it's in PDF format:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/26/budget.departments/

This new document even includes how much each area also is receiving
in the Stimulus Plan. And how much the wars are costing. Can this be
the US Gov't. actually showing us the truth? I'm sure our conservative
friends will find a way to bitch - um, I would say just wait a few
minutes...
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13977 is a reply to message #13970] Thu, 26 February 2009 12:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 3:19 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> A minority of UPA members want refs,



ISNT THAT COMPLETE AND TOTAL SPECULATION??? If there were only a way
to verify this contention?????
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13980 is a reply to message #13973] Thu, 26 February 2009 13:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 12:40 pm, Peterson <pevesteter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 3:19 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 12:08 pm, StockOption <StarsAndSk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 26, 12:17 pm, Peterson <pevesteter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 26, 12:54 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 26, 6:07 am, Peterson <pevesteter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Joe and Beagle,
>
> > > > > > Please forward me a check for at least 25% of your total annual
> > > > > > income.  I have big plans for it.  I can't tell you exactly what I am
> > > > > > going to do with it but it is going to do someone some good.  Once I
> > > > > > receive your checks I will tell you specifically how I will be
> > > > > > spending it.   Make it snappy- people are suffering and this is the
> > > > > > ONLY way they can be helped. I know we can count on you because you
> > > > > > know my intentions are good and you would never question my ability to
> > > > > > determine what's best under these circumstances.  Help me fight the
> > > > > > good fight.
>
> > > > > > Peterson
>
> > > > > In order to make this the same as what happened with the Stimulus
> > > > > Bill, I need to have a summary of every item the money will be spent
> > > > > for. The GOP had that before the vote in Congress which is how they
> > > > > knew what to complain about on the floor and news channels. Where is
> > > > > your website with this data?
>
> > > > Well if you must know I was going to spend the money on talking about
> > > > ultimate observers / referees, quizes about spirit, sponsorship of the
> > > > US Canine Olympics, some grants to try some other ultimate stuff,
> > > > making Ultimate  "greener", and of course the rest will create
> > > > millions of jobs.  That's the summary.  We are awaiting your funds.
>
> > > > Peterson
>
> > > One other minor point: a majority of eligible voters did not elect to
> > > put you in charge of their money. So the analogy you propose is more
> > > like... Madoff ponzi scheme, or maybe deposed Nigerian Prince.
>
> > So true. Unfortunately, a very vocal and very small minority (on rsd
> > and in the nation) do not believe that when the majority votes for
> > something, it is right to do it. They feel good continuing to
> > complain... since that's all they have to do.
>
> > The minority of conservatives in the country "hate" the direction we
> > are now going in (they really do hate; it's something liberals have
> > trouble understanding), but they can't do anything about it. So they
> > bitch.
>
> > A minority of UPA members want refs, but they can't do anything about
> > it. So they bitch (and they love words like fuckin, shit, etc.)- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Well I don't count myself as a conservative.  I don't play ultimate
> competitively.   The fact you think liberals have trouble
> understanding hate it laughable though.
>
> Just admit that the "stimilus" bill was not meant to stimulate
> anything other than the agenda of the new administration and
> congress.

Liberals and conservatives have huge differences of opinion about what
the government should do. I don't hold that against conservatives;
their opinions are based on their true belief system as are mine. Most
conservatives believe in the Laffer Curve and honestly believe
lowering taxes will always improve the economy. But liberals doubt
that is "always" the case and believe spending can help in certain
cases. As a liberal, I also believe that if taxes get too high, it
will hurt the economy. I just believe nothing is "always right" or
"always wrong" and the situation dictates the needs of the moment. You
can rail against the new administration and congress, but the majority
of us Americans agree with them. [this point holds true in the UPA
too. Toad can rail against the UPA and its Board, but the majority of
us members agree with what they are doing.]

From a liberal perspective (which is currently the majority of the
country), the Stimulus Bill will definitely stimulate more work. Much
more than the small Bush tax rebate of a few years ago. I don't doubt
you disagree and I respect your opinion, but statements like "must
admit ...it was not meant to stimulate... " are stupid. Obviously most
Americans believe otherwise. A much more accurate statement would be
"conservatives do not think the Stimulus Bill will be effective."
However, the GOP Governors are saying something else. Even the ones
who are making a big deal of not taking money from the Stimulus Bill,
are only talking about the unemployment portion which is less than 10%
of the total. They all plan to take over 90% of what is offered. So an
even more accurate statement would be "conservatives do not think a
small portion of the Stimulus Bill will be effective."
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13985 is a reply to message #13968] Thu, 26 February 2009 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
nova.ultimate
Messages: 42
Registered: February 2009
Member
On Feb 26, 3:08 pm, StockOption <StarsAndSk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 12:17 pm, Peterson <pevesteter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 12:54 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 26, 6:07 am, Peterson <pevesteter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Joe and Beagle,
>
> > > > Please forward me a check for at least 25% of your total annual
> > > > income.  I have big plans for it.  I can't tell you exactly what I am
> > > > going to do with it but it is going to do someone some good.  Once I
> > > > receive your checks I will tell you specifically how I will be
> > > > spending it.   Make it snappy- people are suffering and this is the
> > > > ONLY way they can be helped. I know we can count on you because you
> > > > know my intentions are good and you would never question my ability to
> > > > determine what's best under these circumstances.  Help me fight the
> > > > good fight.
>
> > > > Peterson
>
> > > In order to make this the same as what happened with the Stimulus
> > > Bill, I need to have a summary of every item the money will be spent
> > > for. The GOP had that before the vote in Congress which is how they
> > > knew what to complain about on the floor and news channels. Where is
> > > your website with this data?
>
> > Well if you must know I was going to spend the money on talking about
> > ultimate observers / referees, quizes about spirit, sponsorship of the
> > US Canine Olympics, some grants to try some other ultimate stuff,
> > making Ultimate  "greener", and of course the rest will create
> > millions of jobs.  That's the summary.  We are awaiting your funds.
>
> > Peterson
>
> One other minor point: a majority of eligible voters did not elect to
> put you in charge of their money. So the analogy you propose is more
> like... Madoff ponzi scheme, or maybe deposed Nigerian Prince.

Ahh isn't it beautiful though. But enough people elected 40 people to
make sure the money was not spent. Sad thing was, barack doesn't say
much, [(BDSM) for short] ignoring those 40 cause well, they don't know
what they are spending on. Hey look on the bright side, at least one
house member's knee jerk reaction was the opposite of spending.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13986 is a reply to message #13970] Thu, 26 February 2009 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
nova.ultimate
Messages: 42
Registered: February 2009
Member
On Feb 26, 3:19 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 12:08 pm, StockOption <StarsAndSk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 12:17 pm, Peterson <pevesteter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 26, 12:54 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 26, 6:07 am, Peterson <pevesteter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Joe and Beagle,
>
> > > > > Please forward me a check for at least 25% of your total annual
> > > > > income.  I have big plans for it.  I can't tell you exactly what I am
> > > > > going to do with it but it is going to do someone some good.  Once I
> > > > > receive your checks I will tell you specifically how I will be
> > > > > spending it.   Make it snappy- people are suffering and this is the
> > > > > ONLY way they can be helped. I know we can count on you because you
> > > > > know my intentions are good and you would never question my ability to
> > > > > determine what's best under these circumstances.  Help me fight the
> > > > > good fight.
>
> > > > > Peterson
>
> > > > In order to make this the same as what happened with the Stimulus
> > > > Bill, I need to have a summary of every item the money will be spent
> > > > for. The GOP had that before the vote in Congress which is how they
> > > > knew what to complain about on the floor and news channels. Where is
> > > > your website with this data?
>
> > > Well if you must know I was going to spend the money on talking about
> > > ultimate observers / referees, quizes about spirit, sponsorship of the
> > > US Canine Olympics, some grants to try some other ultimate stuff,
> > > making Ultimate  "greener", and of course the rest will create
> > > millions of jobs.  That's the summary.  We are awaiting your funds.
>
> > > Peterson
>
> > One other minor point: a majority of eligible voters did not elect to
> > put you in charge of their money. So the analogy you propose is more
> > like... Madoff ponzi scheme, or maybe deposed Nigerian Prince.
>
> So true. Unfortunately, a very vocal and very small minority (on rsd
> and in the nation) do not believe that when the majority votes for
> something, it is right to do it. They feel good continuing to
> complain... since that's all they have to do.
>
> The minority of conservatives in the country "hate" the direction we
> are now going in (they really do hate; it's something liberals have
> trouble understanding), but they can't do anything about it. So they
> bitch.
>
> A minority of UPA members want refs, but they can't do anything about
> it. So they bitch (and they love words like fuckin, shit, etc.)

Haha, your argument was flipped around 4 years ago... and you STILL
haven't read the constitution
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13992 is a reply to message #13986] Thu, 26 February 2009 15:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 5:38 pm, nova.ultim...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > A minority of UPA members want refs, but they can't do anything about
> > it. So they bitch (and they love words like fuckin, shit, etc.)
>
> Haha, your argument was flipped around 4 years ago... and you STILL
> haven't read the constitution-


check and MATE!!!!

AND it will be flipped around in another 4 years.......only this time
with "refs in ulty", TRUST THAT siedfuck
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14003 is a reply to message #13963] Thu, 26 February 2009 16:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 2:40 pm, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
>
> > I kind of recall seeing Shinola pop up in your screed at some point or
> > other, but I don't recall the question.  I can't imagine that it was
> > relevant to anything... can you?
>
> yea ya fuckin jerk.........it was relevant to the movie it was used
> in.  I guess you just never saw it.......which would make you quite
> the dumb ass, eh?

c'mon punto, i've set the table for ya twice and your still swingin at
air. I can feel the breeze all the way over here on the east coast.
what a tard you are!
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14007 is a reply to message #13969] Thu, 26 February 2009 16:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 3:11 pm, dikinyer...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Toad:
> "if your a pussy geek like you.  i learn from being on the streets."
>
> Based on your amount of internet usage, I'm guessing you don't spend
> much time anywhere besides sitting dutifully at your home computer,


well im married with kids now......and when combined with my early
semi retirement its the perfect way to grind the time away.
fortunately for me, all my street smarts were aquired prior to gettin
married and takin on the mission of fixing ultimate.
------------------------------------------------------------ -------------
>
> . I'm over being
> annoyed,

c'mon now.....we both know youre lieing
------------------------------------------------------------ -------------


now I just stare in wonder at the car crash that is this
> man's life.
>
> -dikear

and i'll wonder how you got a dick in your ear.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14011 is a reply to message #13977] Thu, 26 February 2009 16:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
Messages: 601
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 12:51 pm, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
> On Feb 26, 3:19 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> > A minority of UPA members want refs,
>
> ISNT THAT COMPLETE AND TOTAL SPECULATION???  If there were only a way
> to verify this contention?????

Perhaps we could hold an election, and make it a campaign issue. Last
time we did that, the result was: a few people wanted refs, way, way
more didn't, and the overwhelming majority doesn't give a shit to the
point that they'll fill out a 30 second online ballot.

I guess we could keep pestering the apathetic until they say something
to make us shut up, but where's the value in that?

~p
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14023 is a reply to message #13969] Thu, 26 February 2009 17:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 12:11 pm, dikinyer...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Toad:
> "if your a pussy geek like you.  i learn from being on the streets."
>
> HAHAHA!!!
>
> This is  the (unintentionally) funniest thing Toad has said yet.
>
> Based on your amount of internet usage, I'm guessing you don't spend
> much time anywhere besides sitting dutifully at your home computer,
> potentially in your messy garage? And certainly not on the ... "mean
> streets of Wilmington."
>
> He's become a mockery of a bad impression of himself. I'm over being
> annoyed, now I just stare in wonder at the car crash that is this
> man's life.
>
> -dikear

You've got that right. Toad just blew by 300 posts in February alone.
He exceeds the #3 highest poster by a factor of 6 !!!!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.disc/about

He apparently has no life beyond rsd. Sad. Sad. Sad. And I'll bet if
his wife, kids or parents saw his posts, they would be ashamed of him.
His only reply is usually "you fuck" which I assume is how he feels
when he gets angry... which happens fairly often it seems.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14024 is a reply to message #14011] Thu, 26 February 2009 17:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 7:25 pm, pinto <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps we could hold an election,and make it a campaign issue.  Last
> time we did that,

we never did that
-------------------------------------------------------


the result was: a few people wanted refs, way, way
> more didn't,

uhmmm, as i remember it was a 52/48 vote and the overwheling majority
of the voters were upa loyalists
------------------------------------------------------------ -------



and the overwhelming majority doesn't give a shit to the
> point that they'll fill out a 30 second online ballot.

thats cause your afraid to find out the true answer
------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------
>
> I guess we could keep pestering the apathetic until they say something
> to make us shut up, but where's the value in that?

none for you as you would then be SOL.

Youde do better to focus on that "shit from shinola" riddle......
jerkey. And know, i;ve put it on a tee for ya. If ya cant connect
now we'll know your a girl
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14025 is a reply to message #14023] Thu, 26 February 2009 17:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
nova.ultimate
Messages: 42
Registered: February 2009
Member
On Feb 26, 8:27 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 12:11 pm, dikinyer...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Toad:
> > "if your a pussy geek like you.  i learn from being on the streets."
>
> > HAHAHA!!!
>
> > This is  the (unintentionally) funniest thing Toad has said yet.
>
> > Based on your amount of internet usage, I'm guessing you don't spend
> > much time anywhere besides sitting dutifully at your home computer,
> > potentially in your messy garage? And certainly not on the ... "mean
> > streets of Wilmington."
>
> > He's become a mockery of a bad impression of himself. I'm over being
> > annoyed, now I just stare in wonder at the car crash that is this
> > man's life.
>
> > -dikear
>
> You've got that right. Toad just blew by 300 posts in February alone.
> He exceeds the #3 highest poster by a factor of 6 !!!!!!http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.disc/about
>
> He apparently has no life beyond rsd. Sad. Sad. Sad. And I'll bet if
> his wife, kids or parents saw his posts, they would be ashamed of him.
> His only reply is usually "you fuck" which I assume is how he feels
> when he gets angry... which happens fairly often it seems.

he also passed by MGs all time record on his old accnt
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14026 is a reply to message #14023] Thu, 26 February 2009 17:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 8:27 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> He apparently has no life beyond rsd. Sad. Sad. Sad.

and you have no life beyond poachin off your sons. give it up dude.
i mean damn, one should have played AT LEAST one season of ultimate to
be able to hang here. ya old timer, never-was, wannabe. Why dont you
go find a bingo game somewhere.
------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------



And I'll bet if
> his wife, kids or parents saw his posts, they would be ashamed of him.

actually my old man read a bunch of this stuff last time he visited
and had quite a laugh (partly because he thinks i got my spelling
skills from him.......but also my math skills.....we both do quite
well financially). he thought you were a complete goob though.
Wondered why a man your age couldnt go find a shuffleboard new group
to go crash. and was sad for you that you had to live vicariously thru
your son. Personally i dont understand why or how he lets you come
here and make a fool of yourself.
------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------
> His only reply is usually "you fuck" which I assume is how he feels
> when he gets angry... which happens fairly often it seems


why do you think one must be angry to say "fuck". i guess youve never
been on a construction site though. you were probably just a little
puss cake fancy boy your whole life so i guess it all makes perfect
sense.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14030 is a reply to message #14023] Thu, 26 February 2009 18:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 8:27 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> . Toad just blew by 300 posts in February alone.
> He exceeds the #3 highest poster by a factor of 6
> He apparently has no life beyond rsd. Sad. Sad. Sad.


but do you know whats sadder than how many times i post.......

you keepin track how many time i post.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14032 is a reply to message #13829] Thu, 26 February 2009 19:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pete
Messages: 166
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
> No nothing has been spent. However, nothing will be changed. Its a
> FUCKING LAW. It cant be changed now. You can say "oh but we cant track
> where the money is going now!"  but its too late to do a damn thing
> about it and change anything about where its going.
>
> I worked in the Senate I should know.


Um...Prohibition? Segregation? The Global gag rule has been overturned
four times in twenty years. Did you get a Poli Sci degree, or by
"worked in the Senate" did you mop floors in the Russell Building?
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14050 is a reply to message #14032] Thu, 26 February 2009 23:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
nova.ultimate
Messages: 42
Registered: February 2009
Member
On Feb 26, 10:53 pm, Pete <hockeypeteschr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > No nothing has been spent. However, nothing will be changed. Its a
> > FUCKING LAW. It cant be changed now. You can say "oh but we cant track
> > where the money is going now!"  but its too late to do a damn thing
> > about it and change anything about where its going.
>
> > I worked in the Senate I should know.
>
> Um...Prohibition? Segregation? The Global gag rule has been overturned
> four times in twenty years. Did you get a Poli Sci degree, or by
> "worked in the Senate" did you mop floors in the Russell Building?

Umm...
Prohibition, Constitutional Amendment (states)
Segregation, Supreme Court
Global Gag Rule, Executive Order

making that 0/3 for legislation

but its a spending bill, so it CAN'T be changed, because well the
check has been written, and cashed.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14151 is a reply to message #14050] Sat, 28 February 2009 07:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Henry Thorne
Messages: 16
Registered: September 2008
Junior Member
Wow.
Read this thread and imagine what would have happened to the UPA
boardroom had Toad gotten elected.
Our ability to work through issues together and reach logical
conclusions would have ground to a halt I think.
We probably couldn't have even framed what to vote on, at which point
there are no votes, no outcome and none of what we put in play at this
last meeting would have happened.
So thank you folks for not voting him in. It would have been "fun"
casting that vote so I appreciate your restraint in not doing so.
Henry Thorne (UPA board member speaking for himself only)
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14161 is a reply to message #14032] Sat, 28 February 2009 10:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
footblock
Messages: 119
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
>
> Um...Prohibition? Segregation? The Global gag rule has been overturned
> four times in twenty years. Did you get a Poli Sci degree, or by
> "worked in the Senate" did you mop floors in the Russell Building?

If you can show me a time when the government refunded a spending bill
to the taxpayers Ill say Im wrong....

And dont say "tax cuts" because that just means they will be taking
less money in the future

and yes it was dumb to say "I worked in the senate I should know" it
came off as prickish. I meant it to say I know how they create bills.
Oh well
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14163 is a reply to message #14151] Sat, 28 February 2009 10:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 28, 10:15 am, Henry Thorne <htho...@thorleyindustries.com>
wrote:
> Wow.
> Read this thread and imagine what would have happened to the UPA
> boardroom had Toad gotten elected.
> Our ability to work through issues together and reach logical
> conclusions would have ground to a halt I think.

"think" being the key word of that contention. dont you also "think"
ultimate is superior to all other sports(or more exciting to watch or
whatever it was you stated in your campaign statement)?
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------
> We probably couldn't have even framed what to vote on, at which point
> there are no votes, no outcome and none of what we put in play at this
> last meeting would have happened.


and what exactly are you basing this "bullshit" on again? I'll tell
ya one thing you WOULD of had to vote on had i been
there......CHANGING THE UPAS' SPIRIT CENTRIC AND INACCURATE DEFINITION
OF ULTIMATE!!!!!
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------
> So thank you folks for not voting him in.


what do you have to say to those that DID vote for me though. You do
know that you have a job to equally represent them too, dont ya?
------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------


 It would have been "fun"
> casting that vote so I appreciate your restraint in not doing so.
> Henry Thorne (UPA board member speaking for himself only)


I love you henry.......its all good though, your days are numbered so
enjoy your spirit zelot board majority while it lasts. To see what
the future has in store for ya just look at the present state of the
republican party.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14171 is a reply to message #14161] Sat, 28 February 2009 13:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Feb 28, 10:24 am, footbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Um...Prohibition? Segregation? The Global gag rule has been overturned
> > four times in twenty years. Did you get a Poli Sci degree, or by
> > "worked in the Senate" did you mop floors in the Russell Building?
>
> If you can show me a time when the government refunded a spending bill
> to the taxpayers Ill say Im wrong....
>
> And dont say "tax cuts" because that just means they will be taking
> less money in the future
>
> and yes it was dumb to say "I worked in the senate I should know" it
> came off as prickish. I meant it to say I know how they create bills.
> Oh well

footblock,
I think you're beginning to get it. If you had thought more about your
wording in your initial post, you would have received better replies.

I disagree with your premise that Congress did not have enough time to
review the Stimulus Bill (a complete outline was on the web). I don't
argue that having the "hardcopy" of the bill would have been good, but
in this case, I also understand the speed that was desired. But I get
your point that some people would have liked more time. I think it is
probably true that the "sides" were preordained. Liberals wanted it,
and conservatives didn't. More time would have allowed more
preparation to make one's point in the press and on TV, but the result
would not have changed.

So did Obama do anything that "snuck" the bill through? I don't think
so. It certainly didn't "fool" any House GOP (none of them voted for
it) and only 3 Senate GOP voted for it. Are you saying that with more
time, those 3 GOP might not have voted for it? I doubt that because I
think they made their decisions based on some "overall" concern for
the economy, not the specifics of the bill.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14174 is a reply to message #14171] Sat, 28 February 2009 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 28, 4:03 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 10:24 am, footbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Um...Prohibition? Segregation? The Global gag rule has been overturned
> > > four times in twenty years. Did you get a Poli Sci degree, or by
> > > "worked in the Senate" did you mop floors in the Russell Building?
>
> > If you can show me a time when the government refunded a spending bill
> > to the taxpayers Ill say Im wrong....
>
> > And dont say "tax cuts" because that just means they will be taking
> > less money in the future
>
> > and yes it was dumb to say "I worked in the senate I should know" it
> > came off as prickish. I meant it to say I know how they create bills.
> > Oh well
>
> footblock,
> I think you're beginning to get it. If you had thought more about your
> wording in your initial post, you would have received better replies.
>
> I disagree with your premise that Congress did not have enough time to
> review the Stimulus Bill (a complete outline was on the web). I don't
> argue that having the "hardcopy" of the bill would have been good, but
> in this case, I also understand the speed that was desired. But I get
> your point that some people would have liked more time. I think it is
> probably true that the "sides" were preordained. Liberals wanted it,
> and conservatives didn't. More time would have allowed more
> preparation to make one's point in the press and on TV, but the result
> would not have changed.
>
> So did Obama do anything that "snuck" the bill through? I don't think
> so. It certainly didn't "fool" any House GOP (none of them voted for
> it) and only 3 Senate GOP voted for it. Are you saying that with more
> time, those 3 GOP might not have voted for it? I doubt that because I
> think they made their decisions based on some "overall" concern for
> the economy, not the specifics of the bill.

joe, obviously you are a liberal politically in real life, right? so
why are you such a "stuck in the mud" conservative when it comes to
ultimate? I mean, you dont want the sport to change or try anything
new or progressive with how its managed competitively. And you not
only support but also defend the status quoe with every fiber in your
being! Dont you see this as being terribly inconsistant?
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14175 is a reply to message #14174] Sat, 28 February 2009 13:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Feb 28, 1:09 pm, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
> On Feb 28, 4:03 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 28, 10:24 am, footbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > Um...Prohibition? Segregation? The Global gag rule has been overturned
> > > > four times in twenty years. Did you get a Poli Sci degree, or by
> > > > "worked in the Senate" did you mop floors in the Russell Building?
>
> > > If you can show me a time when the government refunded a spending bill
> > > to the taxpayers Ill say Im wrong....
>
> > > And dont say "tax cuts" because that just means they will be taking
> > > less money in the future
>
> > > and yes it was dumb to say "I worked in the senate I should know" it
> > > came off as prickish. I meant it to say I know how they create bills.
> > > Oh well
>
> > footblock,
> > I think you're beginning to get it. If you had thought more about your
> > wording in your initial post, you would have received better replies.
>
> > I disagree with your premise that Congress did not have enough time to
> > review the Stimulus Bill (a complete outline was on the web). I don't
> > argue that having the "hardcopy" of the bill would have been good, but
> > in this case, I also understand the speed that was desired. But I get
> > your point that some people would have liked more time. I think it is
> > probably true that the "sides" were preordained. Liberals wanted it,
> > and conservatives didn't. More time would have allowed more
> > preparation to make one's point in the press and on TV, but the result
> > would not have changed.
>
> > So did Obama do anything that "snuck" the bill through? I don't think
> > so. It certainly didn't "fool" any House GOP (none of them voted for
> > it) and only 3 Senate GOP voted for it. Are you saying that with more
> > time, those 3 GOP might not have voted for it? I doubt that because I
> > think they made their decisions based on some "overall" concern for
> > the economy, not the specifics of the bill.
>
> joe, obviously you are a liberal politically in real life, right?  so
> why are you such a "stuck in the mud" conservative when it comes to
> ultimate?  I mean, you dont want the sport to change or try anything
> new or progressive with how its managed competitively.  And you not
> only support but also defend the status quoe with every fiber in your
> being!  Dont you see this as being terribly inconsistant?

I like chocolate ice cream; I've tried almost every flavor over many
years, but I prefer chocolate. Sometimes I get strawberry mixed with
chocolate. But you want me to buy vanilla every time I go to the
store. And when I buy chocolate you think I've never considered
anything new. Surprisingly, you get angry when I buy chocolate and
even yell at me at times. To me, you seem to have some deep seeded
need to push people to things you like with no regard for their
opinions.

I just watched Willie Herndon's DVD "Spirit of the Game" from 2001. It
was great, and I think it found a "real world" way to show what SOTG
can mean. It is also clear to me that many, many Ultimate players have
wondered about SOTG (and refs) since the very start of the sport. I do
not believe the majority of the UPA members are ignoring some
potential improvement to the sport because they resist change. They
have thought about it and prefer to play without refs. Personally, as
a spectator, I don't have a strong opinion about refs. But the
majority of players I know (and through publishing the Ultimate
History Book I spoke with perhaps hundreds of ex- and current players)
want to keep the game the way it is. They like it. They want the
responsibility they have in this sport. They prefer the "delays" to
the alternative of losing their ability to have the responsibility for
their actions on the field.

Toad, I am replying to you because this is one of the tiny minority of
your posts that seemed to be written with some thought and to want a
dialogue rather your normal ranting. Unless you change your style and
quantity of posts, I doubt if I will reply to many more.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14187 is a reply to message #14175] Sat, 28 February 2009 15:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 28, 4:37 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> I like chocolate ice cream; I've tried almost every flavor over many
> years, but I prefer chocolate. Sometimes I get strawberry mixed with
> chocolate. But you want me to buy vanilla every time I go to the
> store.

first off, get your analogies straight! it dosent get more vannila
than a bunch of white jock rejects playing a sport under an honor
system. Secondly, how could you have tried almost every flavor yet at
the same time have no knowledge whatso ever of what a refereed version
of ultimate tastes like?
------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------
And when I buy chocolate you think I've never considered
> anything new.


that depends, have you ever experienced a refereed version of
ultimate? if no then you have to admit, you are ignorant of how it
tastes. Its like my 6 year old daughter telling me she dosent like
whats on her dinner plate when shes never tried it. I've used this
same analogy with trying refs in ulti many many times.
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------
Surprisingly, you get angry when I buy chocolate and
> even yell at me at times. To me, you seem to have some deep seeded
> need to push people to things you like with no regard for their
> opinions.


what they like? first off you dont even, NOR HAVE YOU EVER, played
ultimate, correct? secondly YOU are the one that seems to think just
because YOU like choclate that thats all anybody else wants. And
whether you know it or not the college kids have been experimenting
with some different flavors this season. The UK too. So basically,
i'm sayin that the upa might want to think about serving some
different flavors to their customers and its YOU that say, NO,
chocolate should be the ONLY flavor option.
------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------
> I just watched Willie Herndon's DVD "Spirit of the Game" from 2001. It
> was great, and I think it found a "real world" way to show what SOTG
> can mean.

uhm....i just watched the duke vs md lax game......then the end of the
duke vs va tech b-ball game. And i had no interest in the sotg OR
sportsmanship aspect of either presentation. Ya see, I try lots of
flavors too but i guess i like my icecream in a delicious waffel cone
(as most people do) because it just seems to enhance the whole ice
cream eating experience......where as i guess you just eat it right
out of your hand. And while you are watching old dvd's why not pop in
"i bleed black" and let steve dugan tell ya how easy it is to cheat in
the name of sotg......maybe that will give ya a different "real world"
perspective of what SOTG DOES MEAN.
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------
It is also clear to me that many, many Ultimate players have
> wondered about SOTG (and refs) since the very start of the sport.

i know this as i've been around much longer than you.
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------
I do
> not believe the majority of the UPA members are ignoring some
> potential improvement to the sport because they resist change.

no, thats the upa admin doing that, the members just blindly (and
apathetically) follow their lead. even though it seems things are
starting to change with all that as of late.
------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------
They
> have thought about it and prefer to play without refs.


eh, i think they just take whats givin them. BUT, if the upa were to
give these people you speak of a choice, it would be only THEN that
they could make an informed decision.
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------
Personally, as
> a spectator, I don't have a strong opinion about refs.

thats because you arent a sports minded person.......you simply wer
attracted to and bought into the dogmatic, cult aspect of ultimate.
------------------------------------------------------------ -----
But the
> majority of players I know (and through publishing the Ultimate
> History Book I spoke with perhaps hundreds of ex- and current players)
> want to keep the game the way it is.

that must be some "stuck in the mud", conservitive crowd you hang out
with. you do know steve dugan though dont you? He wrote a very
interesting rsd post after the first time he experiences playing ulti
with refs. why dont you do a search and take a look......it think its
dated from around 1996
------------------------------------------------------------ -----------
They like it. They want the
> responsibility they have in this sport. They prefer the "delays" to
> the alternative of losing their ability to have the responsibility for
> their actions on the field.

well, that dosent mean everybody else does. and again, i think most
just take what they can get. And joe, not all people "like it", or
"prefer it" as much as you would really like to think. The way i see
it, the only real way to tell who likes what is to ask em ALL(and
provide samples of other flavors). untill ya do that youll NEVER
know. I mean even with only 10 % membership feedback close to half of
the respondants said they would be willing to experiment with another
"flavor"(refs). So why dosent the upa respond to that request? Maybe
they are afraid they wont come back to the same old "chocolate theve
been serving up for the last 40 years.
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------
>
> Toad, I am replying to you because this is one of the tiny minority of
> your posts that seemed to be written with some thought and to want a
> dialogue rather your normal ranting. Unless you change your style and
> quantity of posts, I doubt if I will reply to many more


fair enough. I still think you are out of touch with the reality of
sports, the sports industry and what its gonna take for ultimate to
become a legit and respected spport in the industry.

Aside from that, you never really answered the question. You are an
obvious liberal politically which would mean, politically, you
undoubtedly support peoples right to choose and have different options
of the flavors of icecream they want. Yet with ulti its choclate (even
though vinnilla is more in line with your ultimate flavor preference
analogy.....for obvious reasons) and choclate only. I just dont
understand why you wouldnt celebrate the idea of providing options to
people so they can decide for themselfs what flavor they want (isnt
that the liberal way?). And the upa, being the ice cream store
manager, surly should at least break out some samples for their
customers so that they are keeping them satisfied and not simply
giving them the same ole flavor time after time. I just see a
definite contradiction here. are you in opposition to that
contention?

Also, i think i would go with a sushi analogy reference over ice
cream. Many people are often hesitent of eating sushi at first (like
some may be a little aprehensive to play ulti with refs initally) and
they have to work their way up from the standard california roll
(observers) to full on sashemi(refs).......and the, before ya know it,
they are hooked. You watch, the same thing will happen to ultimate
once they get the chance play with refs........and as for
watchin......it wont even be a contest as refed ulti is WAY more fun
to watch.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14201 is a reply to message #14187] Sat, 28 February 2009 17:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Feb 28, 3:54 pm, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
> On Feb 28, 4:37 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I like chocolate ice cream; I've tried almost every flavor over many
> > years, but I prefer chocolate. Sometimes I get strawberry mixed with
> > chocolate. But you want me to buy vanilla every time I go to the
> > store.
>
> first off, get your analogies straight! it dosent get more vannila
> than a bunch of white jock rejects playing a sport under an honor
> system.  Secondly, how could you have tried almost every flavor yet at
> the same time have no knowledge whatso ever of what a refereed version
> of ultimate tastes like?
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- -----------
>  And when I buy chocolate you think I've never considered
>
> > anything new.
>
> that depends, have you ever experienced a refereed version of
> ultimate?  if no then you have to admit, you are ignorant of how it
> tastes.  Its like my 6 year old daughter telling me she dosent like
> whats on her dinner plate when shes never tried it.  I've used this
> same analogy with trying refs in ulti many many times.
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- -------------------
> Surprisingly, you get angry when I buy chocolate and
>
> > even yell at me at times. To me, you seem to have some deep seeded
> > need to push people to things you like with no regard for their
> > opinions.
>
> what they like?  first off you dont even, NOR HAVE YOU EVER, played
> ultimate, correct?  secondly YOU are the one that seems to think just
> because YOU like choclate that thats all anybody else wants.  And
> whether you know it or not the college kids have been experimenting
> with some different flavors this season.  The UK too.  So basically,
> i'm sayin that the upa might want to think about serving some
> different flavors to their customers and its YOU that say, NO,
> chocolate should be the ONLY flavor option.
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- ----------
>
> > I just watched Willie Herndon's DVD "Spirit of the Game" from 2001. It
> > was great, and I think it found a "real world" way to show what SOTG
> > can mean.
>
> uhm....i just watched the duke vs md lax game......then the end of the
> duke vs va tech b-ball game.  And i had no interest in the sotg OR
> sportsmanship aspect of either presentation.   Ya see, I try lots of
> flavors too but i guess i like my icecream in a delicious waffel cone
> (as most people do) because it just seems to enhance the whole ice
> cream eating experience......where as i guess you just eat it right
> out of your hand.  And while you are watching old dvd's why not pop in
> "i bleed black" and let steve dugan tell ya how easy it is to cheat in
> the name of sotg......maybe that will give ya a different "real world"
> perspective of what SOTG DOES MEAN.
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- -------
>  It is also clear to me that many, many Ultimate players have
>
> > wondered about SOTG (and refs) since the very start of the sport.
>
> i know this as i've been around much longer than you.
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- -------------------
>  I do
>
> > not believe the majority of the UPA members are ignoring some
> > potential improvement to the sport because they resist change.
>
> no, thats the upa admin doing that, the members just blindly (and
> apathetically) follow their lead.  even though it seems things are
> starting to change with all that as of late.
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- ----------------------
> They
>
> > have thought about it and prefer to play without refs.
>
> eh, i think they just take whats givin them.  BUT, if the upa were to
> give these people you speak of a choice, it would be only THEN that
> they could make an informed decision.
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ---------
> Personally, as
>
> > a spectator, I don't have a strong opinion about refs.
>
> thats because you arent a sports minded person.......you simply wer
> attracted to and bought into the dogmatic, cult aspect of ultimate.
> ------------------------------------------------------------ -----
>  But the
>
> > majority of players I know (and through publishing the Ultimate
> > History Book I spoke with perhaps hundreds of ex- and current players)
> > want to keep the game the way it is.
>
> that must be some "stuck in the mud", conservitive crowd you hang out
> with.  you do know steve dugan though dont you?  He wrote a very
> interesting rsd post after the first time he experiences playing ulti
> with refs.  why dont you do a search and take a look......it think its
> dated from around 1996
> ------------------------------------------------------------ -----------
>  They like it. They want the
>
> > responsibility they have in this sport. They prefer the "delays" to
> > the alternative of losing their ability to have the responsibility for
> > their actions on the field.
>
> well, that dosent mean everybody else does.  and again, i think most
> just take what they can get.  And joe, not all people "like it", or
> "prefer it" as much as you would really like to think. The way i see
> it, the only real way to tell who likes what is to ask em ALL(and
> provide samples of other flavors).  untill ya do that youll NEVER
> know.  I mean even with only 10 % membership feedback close to half of
> the respondants said they would be willing to experiment with another
> "flavor"(refs).  So why dosent the upa respond to that request?  Maybe
> they are afraid they wont come back to the same old "chocolate theve
> been serving up for the last 40 years.
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- ------------
>
>
>
> > Toad, I am replying to you because this is one of the tiny minority of
> > your posts that seemed to be written with some thought and to want a
> > dialogue rather your normal ranting. Unless you change your style and
> > quantity of posts, I doubt if I will reply to many more
>
> fair enough.  I still think you are out of touch with the reality of
> sports, the sports industry and what its gonna take for ultimate to
> become a legit and respected spport in the industry.
>
> Aside from that, you never really answered the question.  You are an
> obvious liberal politically which would mean, politically, you
> undoubtedly support peoples right to choose and have different options
> of the flavors of icecream they want. Yet with ulti its choclate (even
> though vinnilla is more in line with your ultimate flavor preference
> analogy.....for obvious reasons) and choclate only.  I just dont
> understand why you wouldnt celebrate the idea of providing options to
> people so they can decide for themselfs what flavor they want (isnt
> that the liberal way?).  And the upa, being the ice cream store
> manager, surly should at least break out some samples for their
> customers so that they are keeping them satisfied and not simply
> giving them the same ole flavor time after time.  I just see a
> definite contradiction here.  are you in opposition to that
> contention?
>
> Also, i think i would go with a sushi analogy reference over ice
> cream.  Many people are often hesitent of eating sushi at first (like
> some may be a little aprehensive to play ulti with refs initally) and
> they have to work their way up from the standard california roll
> (observers) to full on sashemi(refs).......and the, before ya know it,
> they are hooked.  You watch, the same thing will happen to ultimate
> once they get the chance play with refs........and as for
> watchin......it wont even be a contest as refed ulti is WAY more fun
> to watch.

You can choose. Just stop paying your dues and start a new version of
the sport. You can argue to you're blue in the face, but the UPA did
ask their membership. Your ranting that they didn't probably makes you
feel better, but it doesn't change the facts.

BTW, your imbedded replies are too difficult to follow. Why not try to
summarize your thoughts and make your point(s) more forcefully by
using fewer words.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14222 is a reply to message #14201] Sun, 01 March 2009 04:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
matty j
Messages: 250
Registered: October 2008
Senior Member
"You can choose. Just stop paying your dues and start a new version
of
the sport."

a profound and maybe even prophetic statement if there ever was one.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14228 is a reply to message #14201] Sun, 01 March 2009 07:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 28, 8:26 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
>
> You can choose. Just stop paying your dues and start a new version of
> the sport.

first, thats a complete and total cop out. Second the mission of a
group assigned to program recreation opportunities is not one of "its
my way or the highway". Take (or sit in on) a basic college course in
the field of "recreation" and you will come to understand that
recreation is ALL about constantly seeking out the "wants and needs"
of the participants AS those wants and needs change. And its obvious
that the upa has an agenda to preserve somthing (sotg/self
officiation) that the membership wants to see change.
------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------


You can argue to you're blue in the face, but the UPA did
> ask their membership.


sure, but how they went about "asking" is suspect to me, as THEIR
meathod only produced a measly 6% feedback rate AND costed the
membership a pretty penny. On top of that they have yet ro respond
to, in fact, how the membership answered their question (pertaining to
refs in ulti as 50% of em said that THEY WOULD be supportive of
referee experiments). SO WHERE ARE THE REFEREE EXPERIMENTS???????
And, in leu of this obvious data, wouldnt it tell ANY thinking person
that the "their" current definition of ultimate is in need of a little
revision? and remember, THAT DEFINITION is what justified their
outcasting of the notion that they would support any efforts to
include reffed ulti as somting that fit within the mission of the
upa. Seems like they should have the responsibility to bridge that
gap rather than widen it and provide their membership "options" as
opposed to limiting their exposure in the dictorial way that they do.
------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------



Your ranting that they didn't probably makes you
> feel better, but it doesn't change the facts.


FACTS???? what facts? there are no facts. how can there be with
such dismal membership feedback?......to which (as per rec 101) would
be the fault of those in administrative positions. So , untill that
process is greatly improved and streamlined all we are really left
with is "interpretations". which will suit the upa admin just fine in
their efforts of fullfilling their "personal" agendas of preserving
sotg......but not for long. You'll see and soon YOU will be the
outcast.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #14230 is a reply to message #14222] Sun, 01 March 2009 07:36 Go to previous message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Mar 1, 7:00 am, matty j <maplerowf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "You can choose. Just stop paying your dues and start a new version
> of
> the sport."
>
> a profound and maybe even prophetic statement if there ever was one.

i think youve fallin right into joes trap with that response mj.
Thing is, this membership IS NOT OWNED BY THE ADMINISTRATION. We all
own this organization equally and i am rather insulted that you(joe)
would imply otherwise while showing blatant disreguard for the
theoryies that i was taught while studying recreation at the college
level. That "my way or the highway" attitude is so far off from how
recreation opportunities should be managed that it sickens me to think
that this is the mentality of the people guiding this organization and
sport and those that remain loyal to them. This mentality is
outrageous and totally unacceptable.
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