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Nice idea UPA [message #13736] Wed, 25 February 2009 11:32 Go to next message
jim
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Senior Member
I will have to give the UPA props on what they wrote in the blog
below....I have always wanted the College division to have a
formalized regular season....would like to see how they break it down,
and I hope it does'nt just begin with sectionals.

From the UPA Blog:

"Speaking of more visible changes, after the SP update, we got an
update on the college restructuring effort that's currently underway.
For those of you who haven't kept up with it, we're in the process of
a major restructuring of the college competitive series that will
include, among other things, an increased number of divisions, a
formalized regular season, and a new method for allocating bids to the
College Championships."
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13739 is a reply to message #13736] Wed, 25 February 2009 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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On Feb 25, 2:32 pm, rover...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I will have to give the UPA props on what they wrote in the blog
> below....I have always wanted the College division to have a
> formalized regular season....would like to see how they break it down,
> and I hope it does'nt just begin with sectionals.
>
> From the UPA Blog:
>
> "Speaking of more visible changes, after the SP update, we got an
> update on the college restructuring effort that's currently underway.
> For those of you who haven't kept up with it, we're in the process of
> a major restructuring of the college competitive series that will
> include, among other things, an increased number of divisions, a
> formalized regular season, and a new method for allocating bids to the
> College Championships."

what are you talking about......that shit aint from their
"blog"......although it would be a great topic for one of em to BLOG
about.

speaking of which, for the sake of accountability maybe the upa could
provide a link to all the campaign statements of the current board
members so that we can track em and see if they are living up to their
"promises/asperations"?????

anybody catch obamas speach last night. he said they were gonna
create a website so that the general public can track where each and
every dollar of our money is going. anybody besides me think that the
upa should do the same (obviously they dont have to create a whole new
web site)????
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13786 is a reply to message #13739] Wed, 25 February 2009 15:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Plankton
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Registered: October 2008
Member
That's a great idea, Todd! Maybe you should run for a spot on the
board.






(...too soon?)
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13792 is a reply to message #13786] Wed, 25 February 2009 16:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
footblock
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Registered: September 2008
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Yea, maybe obama should have let us actually read the stimulus bill
before they passed it....a little late now to "track" those dollars.
They are already spent
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13795 is a reply to message #13792] Wed, 25 February 2009 16:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
nova.ultimate
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On Feb 25, 7:35 pm, footbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Yea, maybe obama should have let us actually read the stimulus bill
> before they passed it....a little late now to "track" those dollars.
> They are already spent

Did those dollars exist to begin with?
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13796 is a reply to message #13795] Wed, 25 February 2009 16:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
matty j
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On Feb 25, 7:52 pm, nova.ultim...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 25, 7:35 pm, footbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Yea, maybe obama should have let us actually read the stimulus bill
> > before they passed it....a little late now to "track" those dollars.
> > They are already spent
>
> Did those dollars exist to begin with?

music on tap:
B-52s Legal Tender
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13800 is a reply to message #13739] Wed, 25 February 2009 18:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Head Beagle
Messages: 65
Registered: September 2008
Member
>
> what are you talking about......that shit aint from their
> "blog"......although it would be a great topic for one of em to BLOG
> about.
>

Toad, maybe your problem with the UPA stems from the fact that you
don't actually read anything they put out. Here, I'll make it really
obvious for you.

SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 2009
Jan '09 Board Meeting Recap
As the new president of the UPA board of directors, I'd like to thank
you for reading the inaugural post on the new board of directors blog!
We're hoping this will be a great way for people like you to feel like
you have a better sense for who your board members are, and what we
spend our time doing/thinking about.

I'd like to use this first post to give a short recap on the recent
board of directors annual meeting that took place over MLK weekend in
January. To start off, we welcomed onto the board 3 new board members:
Gwen Ambler, Seth Grossinger, and John Terry. It was great to see them
jump right into the discussions!

Our first item of business at the meeting was a review of the
strategic plan initiatives and 2008 goals. Amazingly, the staff (and
volunteers) have accomplished over 90% of the goals that were set out
for 2008 (as well as a few that had originally been slated for 2009),
after first spending a chunk of time hiring new staff members to help
out with the increased work load. You can see a list of the main 2008
strategic plan accomplishments here. Since a lot of the goals for the
first year involved setting the groundwork for future initiatives, you
can expect to see more visible changes in the next few years.

**********************TOAD READ THIS SECTION, SEE, THIS IS FROM THE
BLOG!!!!! TOAD READ THIS SECTION, SEE, THIS IS FROM THE BLOG!!!!! TOAD
READ THIS SECTION, SEE, THIS IS FROM THE BLOG!!!!! TOAD READ THIS
SECTION, SEE, THIS IS FROM THE BLOG!!!!!
**************************************************

Speaking of more visible changes, after the SP update, we got an
update on the college restructuring effort that's currently underway.
For those of you who haven't kept up with it, we're in the process of
a major restructuring of the college competitive series that will
include, among other things, an increased number of divisions, a
formalized regular season, and a new method for allocating bids to the
College Championships. At this point, the college restructuring task
force that met in December is busy preparing a couple of different
proposals that will be publicized during the first quarter of 2009.
Once they're publicized we'll be asking for your feedback so that we
can choose which plan (or which components of each plan) are the most
popular before we finalize them. These large-scale changes are slated
for implementation in the 2010 college season (more minor changes to
this year's college season have also recently been approved and
include things like an increased number of teams at Nationals, change
to the bid allocation, and potential for changes to what calls are
made actively by Observers). You can read a lot more about the changes
to the college series here.

************************************************************ ***********************

Or maybe you are reading the wrong blog. Here is a link again.
http://upa-board.blogspot.com/

Maybe you should read it, then come back and post.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13811 is a reply to message #13792] Wed, 25 February 2009 20:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
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Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Feb 25, 4:35 pm, footbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Yea, maybe obama should have let us actually read the stimulus bill
> before they passed it....a little late now to "track" those dollars.
> They are already spent

1.) The entire Stimulus Package has been on the web for over a month:
http://www.recovery.gov/

2.) Nothing has been spent yet; the first dollars go out next month.

I hope you're not a teacher somewhere.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13829 is a reply to message #13811] Wed, 25 February 2009 21:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
footblock
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Registered: September 2008
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If you believe the entire Stimulus bill (the actual language of the
bill) not some bullshit summary, was available to be read to the
public or even the entire senate and house more than a day or a few
hours before it was voted on than YOU are the chump. They may have
shown parts of it, but by no means was it all there. Its over 1000
pages long. They didnt fucking finalize a lot of the language until
AFTER both Houses had already passed it. Many lawmakers had not
actually read the bill when they voted on it.

No nothing has been spent. However, nothing will be changed. Its a
FUCKING LAW. It cant be changed now. You can say "oh but we cant track
where the money is going now!" but its too late to do a damn thing
about it and change anything about where its going.

I worked in the Senate I should know.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13831 is a reply to message #13829] Wed, 25 February 2009 21:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Daag Alemayehu
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Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 12:22 am, footbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> I worked in the Senate I should know.

This line is slightly less cool than, "Trust me, I'm a doctor."

And I should know. Trust me, I'm a doctor.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13832 is a reply to message #13811] Wed, 25 February 2009 21:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dodds.daniel.j
Messages: 41
Registered: January 2009
Member
On Feb 25, 11:02 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On Feb 25, 4:35 pm, footbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Yea, maybe obama should have let us actually read the stimulus bill
> > before they passed it....a little late now to "track" those dollars.
> > They are already spent
>
> 1.) The entire Stimulus Package has been on the web for over a month:http://www.recovery.gov/
>
> 2.) Nothing has been spent yet; the first dollars go out next month.
>
> I hope you're not a teacher somewhere.

1) agree with footblock, that did happen

2) yeah, but they have already started getting the dollars, by
increasing the printing of bills and the selling of securities (and
you wonder why the stockmarket is going down)

Trust me. I worked in politics.


@footblock. For whom did you work?
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13833 is a reply to message #13832] Wed, 25 February 2009 21:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
footblock
Messages: 119
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
>
> @footblock. For whom did you work?

Martinez

To be precise I should say when they did release the text,
eventually... it was in PDF format. You couldnt search the document
with key terms. You had to actually go through and read all 1000 pages

But enough of this crap. Its over. Its done. Im done. And Im
embarrassed to have discussed it in an ultimate forum.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13838 is a reply to message #13829] Wed, 25 February 2009 22:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Feb 25, 9:22 pm, footbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> If you believe the entire Stimulus bill (the actual language of the
> bill) not some bullshit summary, was available to be read to the
> public  or even the entire senate and house more than a day or a few
> hours before it was voted on than YOU are the chump. They may have
> shown parts of it, but by no means was it all there. Its over 1000
> pages long. They didnt fucking finalize a lot of the language until
> AFTER both Houses had already passed it. Many lawmakers had not
> actually read the bill when they voted on it.
>
> No nothing has been spent. However, nothing will be changed. Its a
> FUCKING LAW. It cant be changed now. You can say "oh but we cant track
> where the money is going now!"  but its too late to do a damn thing
> about it and change anything about where its going.
>
> I worked in the Senate I should know.

1. Please point out what is missing in the website that reading 1,100
pages would add?
2. You now admit nothing has been spent despite stating it was in your
initial post, but now you're complaining it's going to be spent.

I assume next you will admit the website accurately portrays what is
in the bill, but you're angry you couldn't read the bill before it was
passed. The only thing I can figure out about you so far is you love
to make your points using the words bullshit, chump, fuck and I'm sure
we'll read more.

I'm glad you're not a teacher anywhere. I suggest you go back to
working for a republican senator. They now have a lot of time to
complain.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13842 is a reply to message #13833] Wed, 25 February 2009 22:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Feb 25, 9:49 pm, footbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > @footblock. For whom did you work?
>
> Martinez
>
> To be precise I should say when they did release the text,
> eventually... it was in PDF format. You couldnt search the document
> with key terms. You had to actually go through and read all 1000 pages.
Complaining the doc was in PDF format is really lame. And you can
search a PDF doc; I do it all the time.

> But enough of this crap. Its over. Its done. Im done. And Im
> embarrassed to have discussed it in an ultimate forum.
These are the first sane words I've read from you. Congrats!
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13859 is a reply to message #13829] Thu, 26 February 2009 05:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Head Beagle
Messages: 65
Registered: September 2008
Member
On Feb 26, 12:22 am, footbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> If you believe the entire Stimulus bill (the actual language of the
> bill) not some bullshit summary, was available to be read to the
> public  or even the entire senate and house more than a day or a few
> hours before it was voted on than YOU are the chump. They may have
> shown parts of it, but by no means was it all there. Its over 1000
> pages long. They didnt fucking finalize a lot of the language until
> AFTER both Houses had already passed it. Many lawmakers had not
> actually read the bill when they voted on it.
>
> No nothing has been spent. However, nothing will be changed. Its a
> FUCKING LAW. It cant be changed now. You can say "oh but we cant track
> where the money is going now!"  but its too late to do a damn thing
> about it and change anything about where its going.
>
> I worked in the Senate I should know.


Wow...maybe this explains why our government moves so slowly and with
such frequent incompetence. People like footblock work there.

After a 2 minute search, I found this:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=11 1_cong_bills&docid=f:h1enr.pdf

That is a full PDF of the legislation, in PDF form that conveniently
allows you to search to document and even includes *GASP* a table of
contents.

On top of that, it is 400 pages long, not 1000.

Regardless of the quality of the bill or the ability to track the
money, Footblock, you managed to misplace 600 pages and miss out on a
very nice, searchable pdf of the complete text of the legislation.

This does increase my optimism about working in the senate at some
point. If footblock can make it, surely I can too.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13861 is a reply to message #13838] Thu, 26 February 2009 05:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
footblock
Messages: 119
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
Im not sure you understand what my point was.

Read this. Its an article from Slate...since you wont trust what I am
saying maybe you will trust that. It pretty much restates my point

http://www.slate.com/id/2210698/

Whether the bill NOW actually portrays what was in the bill isnt the
point. Who cares if you can read what it says after the fact, except
to know what was done. My point was that, if lawmakers and the public
didnt know what was in the bill before the bill was voted on...then
that IS a problem. They dont know what they are voting for! How is
this a hard concept to understand? For instance, did you know the
welfare reform of Bill Clinton was gotten rid of in the Stimulus bill?

> 1. Please point out what is missing in the website that reading 1,100
> pages would add?

So you can know what the bill actually says, what it does? Seriously?
I wouldnt trust what a summary says. My point wasnt that you'd
actually want to read all 1,100 pages because that would be impossible
in the day or so a lawmaker had before he had to vote...but that you
would need a search fucntion ability to actually read the specifics of
the bill that were important in the time they gave lawmakers. Most of
the PDF files of the bill had no text embeded, they were just images
of the text, which you cant search.

> 2. You now admit nothing has been spent despite stating it was in your
> initial post, but now you're complaining it's going to be spent.
>

Whether anything has been "spent" or not is immaterial. My point was
that the money is as good as spent because the check has been written
or the "the law" has been passed. What is the point of knowing where
the money will go AFTER its been determined where it will go? Like I
said, we could bitch about where it is going and maybe be upset but we
cant change where the money will go at this point.


> I'm glad you're not a teacher anywhere. I suggest you go back to
> working for a republican senator. They now have a lot of time to
> complain.

C'mon dude why the cheap shots?
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13862 is a reply to message #13859] Thu, 26 February 2009 06:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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Registered: September 2008
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On Feb 26, 8:48 am, Head Beagle <we...@jbu.edu> wrote:
>
> Wow...maybe this explains why our government moves so slowly and with
> such frequent incompetence. People like footblock work there.
>
and how is it any different with the upa admin......they(upa) seem to
be alot more secretive (less transparent) than our gvt when it comes
to $$$.......and not to mention, being more elitist.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13864 is a reply to message #13859] Thu, 26 February 2009 06:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Peterson
Messages: 82
Registered: September 2008
Member
Joe and Beagle,

Please forward me a check for at least 25% of your total annual
income. I have big plans for it. I can't tell you exactly what I am
going to do with it but it is going to do someone some good. Once I
receive your checks I will tell you specifically how I will be
spending it. Make it snappy- people are suffering and this is the
ONLY way they can be helped. I know we can count on you because you
know my intentions are good and you would never question my ability to
determine what's best under these circumstances. Help me fight the
good fight.

Peterson
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13872 is a reply to message #13833] Thu, 26 February 2009 06:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
matty j
Messages: 250
Registered: October 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 12:49 am, footbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > @footblock. For whom did you work?
>
> Martinez
>
> To be precise I should say when they did release the text,
> eventually... it was in PDF format. You couldnt search the document
> with key terms. You had to actually go through and read all 1000 pages
>
> But enough of this crap. Its over. Its done. Im done. And Im
> embarrassed to have discussed it in an ultimate forum.

when I hit control F a little box comes up that let's me search my
pdf's with key terms.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13877 is a reply to message #13739] Thu, 26 February 2009 07:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Johnson
Messages: 174
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
The UPA doesn't care about black people.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13890 is a reply to message #13877] Thu, 26 February 2009 08:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 10:50 am, Matt Johnson <BSSH...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The UPA doesn't care about black people.

answer one.......what gave that away?


answer two.......of course they dont......they are white and would get
completely dominated if blacks were to start playing regularly.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13908 is a reply to message #13890] Thu, 26 February 2009 09:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Head Beagle
Messages: 65
Registered: September 2008
Member
Toad-

I know you were HOPING that the little diversion into politics would
cause us to forget that you don't actually read the UPA blog before
your critique what it is missing, but I am interested in hearing a
response. Did you go to the wrong blog? did you not check it in the
last two weeks? Or, do you just assume the UPA isn't doing anything
right and write your rants based off what you are guessing they MIGHT
be doing without actually checking what they ARE doing?

To footblock-

Your second point is a much more interesting discussion than you
original rant against Obama and the 1000 (400) page legislation that
the public had no access to (was posted on the internet) or, what
little access they did have wasn't useful (was posted in an easily
searchable PDF format). Can't spend the time going into the workings
of the US gov't at this time, but you definitely raise some valid
points once you stop cussing, calling people chumps, and blowing your
own horn because you have been in the senate offices.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13911 is a reply to message #13861] Thu, 26 February 2009 09:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 5:58 am, footbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Im not sure you understand what my point was.
>
> Read this. Its an article from Slate...since you wont trust what I am
> saying maybe you will trust that. It pretty much restates my point
>
> http://www.slate.com/id/2210698/
>
> Whether the bill NOW actually portrays what was in the bill isnt the
> point. Who cares if you can read what it says after the fact, except
> to know what was done. My point was that, if lawmakers and the public
> didnt know what was in the bill before the bill was voted on...then
> that IS a problem. They dont know what they are voting for! How is
> this a hard concept to understand? For instance, did you know the
> welfare reform of Bill Clinton was gotten rid of in the Stimulus bill?
>
> > 1. Please point out what is missing in the website that reading 1,100
> > pages would add?
>
> So you can know what the bill actually says, what it does? Seriously?
> I wouldnt trust what a summary says. My point wasnt that you'd
> actually want to read all 1,100 pages because that would be impossible
> in the day or so a lawmaker had before he had to vote...but that you
> would need a search fucntion ability to actually read the specifics of
> the bill that were important in the time they gave lawmakers. Most of
> the PDF files of the bill had no text embeded, they were just images
> of the text, which you cant search.
>
> > 2. You now admit nothing has been spent despite stating it was in your
> > initial post, but now you're complaining it's going to be spent.
>
> Whether anything has been "spent" or not is immaterial. My point was
> that the money is as good as spent because the check has been written
> or the "the law" has been passed. What is the point of knowing where
> the money will go AFTER its been determined where it will go? Like I
> said, we could bitch about where it is going and maybe be upset but we
> cant change where the money will go at this point.
>
> > I'm glad you're not a teacher anywhere. I suggest you go back to
> > working for a republican senator. They now have a lot of time to
> > complain.
>
> C'mon dude why the cheap shots?

The reason for the cheap shots is that your initial post made 2
points, both of which were not correct. Now you slough them off with a
"my point was." Words matter. I don't trust people who make
exaggerated claims and then say they meant something else (ex-
President Bush did some of that with the Iraq war).

Relating to your "points," I prefer a summary website to an 1,100 page
document. I think all the furor over not having the 1,100 page
document with enough time to read it is a "red herring." Conservatives
don't agree with the strategies, and I think they are using "points"
rather than just saying that. If the GOP didn't have time to read it,
how did they know what to complain about on the House and Senate
floors during the vote?
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13913 is a reply to message #13864] Thu, 26 February 2009 09:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 6:07 am, Peterson <pevesteter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Joe and Beagle,
>
> Please forward me a check for at least 25% of your total annual
> income.  I have big plans for it.  I can't tell you exactly what I am
> going to do with it but it is going to do someone some good.  Once I
> receive your checks I will tell you specifically how I will be
> spending it.   Make it snappy- people are suffering and this is the
> ONLY way they can be helped. I know we can count on you because you
> know my intentions are good and you would never question my ability to
> determine what's best under these circumstances.  Help me fight the
> good fight.
>
> Peterson

In order to make this the same as what happened with the Stimulus
Bill, I need to have a summary of every item the money will be spent
for. The GOP had that before the vote in Congress which is how they
knew what to complain about on the floor and news channels. Where is
your website with this data?
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13914 is a reply to message #13908] Thu, 26 February 2009 09:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 12:26 pm, Head Beagle <we...@jbu.edu> wrote:
> Toad-
>
> I know you were HOPING that the little diversion into politics would
> cause us to forget that you don't actually read the UPA blog before
> your critique what it is missing


bzzzt WRONG! i just dont cry when someone hijacks my thread like some
people do. even though i made reference to what obama SAID IN HIS
SPEECH, i would have rather people related the transparancy he
flourished to be used as an example in the upa should strive for as
well.
------------------------------------------------------------ ------------



> Did you go to the wrong blog?


did you? the only blog i'm aware of AND the one i'm refering to is
the new "upa board blog". the link is right there on the front page
of the website and there have been only two entries this far and 0
comments. even though i've made a couple that were, while being very
critical, clean......but will undoubtedly get burried. I get the
feeling that the upa dosent like being challenged all that much.
------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------


did you not check it in the
> last two weeks?

i check it out every day!
-----------------------------------------------------------


Or, do you just assume the UPA isn't doing anything
> right and write your rants based off what you are guessing they MIGHT
> be doing without actually checking what they ARE doing?


i do my homework
------------------------------------------------------------ --
>
> To footblock-
>
> Your second point is a much more interesting discussion than you
> original rant against Obama and the 1000 (400) page legislation that
> the public had no access to (was posted on the internet) or, what
> little access they did have wasn't useful (was posted in an easily
> searchable PDF format).

i'm not really all that concerned with that......if i were, i'd go
find a newsgroup that dicussed us govt issues primarily.
------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------



Can't spend the time going into the workings
> of the US gov't at this time, but you definitely raise some valid
> points once you stop cussing, calling people chumps, and blowing your
> own horn because you have been in the senate offices.


cant you just disreguard all that posturing? try focusing on the
valid points and simply ignore all the explicits. Of course if you
want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, thats your choice.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13920 is a reply to message #13911] Thu, 26 February 2009 10:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
footblock
Messages: 119
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
You are unbelievable. I throw logic and facts in your face and you
just ignore everything I say.

I did not "slough off my original points." My original points were the
same as my later points. And all of them were correct. Perhaps they
were poorly explained, and poorly understood by you...but they were
the same points.

Did you actually read the Slate article?

Apparently you trust people who make up "summaries" and tell you what
you want to hear without reading the actual document. Would you sign a
contract with the government out of your pocket that said you had to
pay $1million to "improve the economy" without knowing exactly what
that money was going to be spent on? That is the essence of my point.
We should know where the money is going beforehand. Hiding crap in
long bills is a long time strategy of both Democrat and Republican
lawmakers and its despicable. I think its only reasonable to know what
we are spending such a large amount of money on before we agree to
spend it.

How can it be a "red herring" to complain about not being able to know
what the hell you are voting for in a $800billion bill? If you cant
understand that after the 3rd or 4th time I've explained it then you
are very lost or very gullible and willing to just throw all your
trust and money at the feet of the government.

The Republicans DIDNT know what all was in the bill. They knew some,
and they knew the total tab was $800 billion dollars...the largest
spending bill EVER.That is enough information to complain about the
bill. They also didnt know what was in most of the bill because it
was negotiated by democrats behind closed doors so they complained
about that too.

This is it for me, have fun getting in the last word! I hope you can
come up with something better than saying "you're an idiot you dumb
republican!"
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13922 is a reply to message #13864] Thu, 26 February 2009 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
Messages: 601
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 6:07 am, Peterson <pevesteter...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please forward me a check for at least 25% of your total annual
> income.  I have big plans for it.  I can't tell you exactly what I am
> going to do with it but it is going to do someone some good.  Once I
> receive your checks I will tell you specifically how I will be
> spending it.   Make it snappy- people are suffering and this is the
> ONLY way they can be helped. I know we can count on you because you
> know my intentions are good and you would never question my ability to
> determine what's best under these circumstances.  Help me fight the
> good fight.

I think you're grossly misrepresenting the situation. The IRS doesn't
say "please."

In other news, the UPA doesn't take their funds via coercion. So...
those who aren't convinced that their yearly dues bring adequate value
can always stop sending them.
Those who are lifetime members might be interested in this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost.

I suppose it's a shame that the UPA isn't as transparent and
trustworthy as, e.g., cultimate[1], but it is what it is...

~p
[1] Sarcasm alert for the peanut gallery.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13925 is a reply to message #13890] Thu, 26 February 2009 10:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
Messages: 601
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 8:34 am, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
> On Feb 26, 10:50 am, Matt Johnson <BSSH...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The UPA doesn't care about black people.
>
> answer one.......what gave that away?
>
> answer two.......of course they dont......they are white and would get
> completely dominated if blacks were to start playing regularly.

Toadie, that wooshing noise you hear all the time? That's cultural
references going over your head.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West#Hurricane_Katrina_fu ndraiser_controversy

~p
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13927 is a reply to message #13920] Thu, 26 February 2009 10:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 1:05 pm, footbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Republicans DIDNT know what all was in the bill. They knew some,
> and they knew the total tab was $800 billion dollars...the largest
> spending bill EVER.That is enough information to complain about the
> bill.  They also didnt know what was in most of the bill because it
> was negotiated by democrats behind closed doors so they complained
> about that too.


isnt this kinda what the upa does as well......negotiate spending our
money "behind closed doors".
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13928 is a reply to message #13914] Thu, 26 February 2009 10:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MrPinto
Messages: 601
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 9:56 am, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:

>  the link is right there on the front page
> of the website and there have been only two entries this far and 0
> comments.  even though i've made a couple that were, while being very
> critical, clean......but will undoubtedly get burried.  I get the
> feeling that the upa dosent like being challenged all that much.

Dude, it's their house. Would you let some fool track mud all through
your house? I wouldn't, I'd leave him the option of tracking mud
through his own house if he wanted to, and leave it at that.

>  did you not check it in the
>
> > last two weeks?
>
> i check it out every day!

RSS, my friend. It's a whole new century, man! The news finds YOU
now.

> > Your second point is a much more interesting discussion than you
> > original rant against Obama and the 1000 (400) page legislation that
> > the public had no access to (was posted on the internet) or, what
> > little access they did have wasn't useful (was posted in an easily
> > searchable PDF format).
>
> i'm not really all that concerned with that......if i were, i'd go
> find a newsgroup that dicussed us govt issues primarily.

Yeah, it makes more sense to bitch about how the UPA uses all $0.00
remaining of your onetime lifetime membership fee than how the federal
government deploys the thousands that they relieve you of annually.

~p
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13931 is a reply to message #13925] Thu, 26 February 2009 10:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 1:09 pm, pinto <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Toadie, that wooshing noise you hear all the time?  That's cultural
> references going over your head.


speaking of wooshing.....i noticed you never replied to that "shit
from shinola" reference. maybe you can research it on the computer
real quick though and give the illusion that you are as worldly as you
want to appear to be.
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West#Hurricane_Katrin a_fundraiser_....
>

see.....deez nuts
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13934 is a reply to message #13925] Thu, 26 February 2009 10:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 1:09 pm, pinto <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > The UPA doesn't care about black people.

> Toadie, that wooshing noise you hear all the time?  That's cultural
> references going over your head.
>
> See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West#Hurricane_Katrin a_fundraiser_....


who the fuck dosent know where that "contention" came from. "ya
muthafuckinbitch" (you know where that reference is from?)......i'll
give ya a hint.....it WASNT from the big lebowski!!!
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13935 is a reply to message #13914] Thu, 26 February 2009 10:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Head Beagle
Messages: 65
Registered: September 2008
Member
TOAD: Read this and actually pay attention this time.

I'll try to make it simple for you.

Step 1: Rover (which, btw, makes this HIS thread, not yours) posted a
quote from the UPA blog.

"Speaking of more visible changes, after the SP update, we got an
update on the college restructuring effort that's currently underway.
For those of you who haven't kept up with it, we're in the process of
a major restructuring of the college competitive series that will
include, among other things, an increased number of divisions, a
formalized regular season, and a new method for allocating bids to
the
College Championships."


Step 2: Toad (that is YOU) said:

"what are you talking about......that shit aint from their
"blog"......although it would be a great topic for one of em to BLOG
about."

Step 3: Head Beagle pointed out that the quote IS in fact on the blog.
Fourth paragraph of the February 7th posting. There are, as you said,
only two postings, so you should be able to find it.

Step 4: Toad ignored Head Beagles post

Step 5: Head Beagle reminded Toad about the post

Step 6: Toad posts again, still not realizing that what he said ISN'T
on the blog, actually is.

Step 7: This post by Head Beagle.

Questions to end the post, please answer simply:

1. Is this quote...

"Speaking of more visible changes, after the SP update, we got an
update on the college restructuring effort that's currently underway.
For those of you who haven't kept up with it, we're in the process of
a major restructuring of the college competitive series that will
include, among other things, an increased number of divisions, a
formalized regular season, and a new method for allocating bids to
the
College Championships."

....from the UPA blog? Yes or No?

(HINT: The answer is YES)

2. Since you check the blog every day and have read it carefully, why
did you say: "what are you talking about......that shit aint from
their
"blog"......although it would be a great topic for one of em to BLOG
about."

We will start with those two simple questions, maybe move on from
there.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13940 is a reply to message #13935] Thu, 26 February 2009 10:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 10:29 am, Head Beagle <we...@jbu.edu> wrote:
> TOAD: Read this and actually pay attention this time.
>
> I'll try to make it simple for you.
>
> Step 1: Rover (which, btw, makes this HIS thread, not yours) posted a
> quote from the UPA blog.
>
> "Speaking of more visible changes, after the SP update, we got an
> update on the college restructuring effort that's currently underway.
> For those of you who haven't kept up with it, we're in the process of
> a major restructuring of the college competitive series that will
> include, among other things, an increased number of divisions, a
> formalized regular season, and a new method for allocating bids to
> the
> College Championships."
>
> Step 2: Toad (that is YOU) said:
>
> "what are you talking about......that shit aint from their
> "blog"......although it would be a great topic for one of em to BLOG
> about."
>
> Step 3: Head Beagle pointed out that the quote IS in fact on the blog.
> Fourth paragraph of the February 7th posting. There are, as you said,
> only two postings, so you should be able to find it.
>
> Step 4: Toad ignored Head Beagles post
>
> Step 5: Head Beagle reminded Toad about the post
>
> Step 6: Toad posts again, still not realizing that what he said ISN'T
> on the blog, actually is.
>
> Step 7: This post by Head Beagle.
>
> Questions to end the post, please answer simply:
>
> 1. Is this quote...
>
> "Speaking of more visible changes, after the SP update, we got an
> update on the college restructuring effort that's currently underway.
> For those of you who haven't kept up with it, we're in the process of
> a major restructuring of the college competitive series that will
> include, among other things, an increased number of divisions, a
> formalized regular season, and a new method for allocating bids to
> the
> College Championships."
>
> ...from the UPA blog? Yes or No?
>
> (HINT: The answer is YES)
>
> 2. Since you check the blog every day and have read it carefully, why
> did you say: "what are you talking about......that shit aint from
> their
> "blog"......although it would be a great topic for one of em to BLOG
> about."
>
> We will start with those two simple questions, maybe move on from
> there.

I think we can all measure how high we are on the "Toad Meter" by how
many fucks, shitheads, etc. are included in the responses from all
Toadies. I'd say this thread is doing pretty well with Toad and
Footblock... maybe about a 7 out of 10.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13941 is a reply to message #13935] Thu, 26 February 2009 10:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
Messages: 482
Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 10:29 am, Head Beagle <we...@jbu.edu> wrote:
> TOAD: Read this and actually pay attention this time.
>
> I'll try to make it simple for you.
>
> Step 1: Rover (which, btw, makes this HIS thread, not yours) posted a
> quote from the UPA blog.
>
> "Speaking of more visible changes, after the SP update, we got an
> update on the college restructuring effort that's currently underway.
> For those of you who haven't kept up with it, we're in the process of
> a major restructuring of the college competitive series that will
> include, among other things, an increased number of divisions, a
> formalized regular season, and a new method for allocating bids to
> the
> College Championships."
>
> Step 2: Toad (that is YOU) said:
>
> "what are you talking about......that shit aint from their
> "blog"......although it would be a great topic for one of em to BLOG
> about."
>
> Step 3: Head Beagle pointed out that the quote IS in fact on the blog.
> Fourth paragraph of the February 7th posting. There are, as you said,
> only two postings, so you should be able to find it.
>
> Step 4: Toad ignored Head Beagles post
>
> Step 5: Head Beagle reminded Toad about the post
>
> Step 6: Toad posts again, still not realizing that what he said ISN'T
> on the blog, actually is.
>
> Step 7: This post by Head Beagle.
>
> Questions to end the post, please answer simply:
>
> 1. Is this quote...
>
> "Speaking of more visible changes, after the SP update, we got an
> update on the college restructuring effort that's currently underway.
> For those of you who haven't kept up with it, we're in the process of
> a major restructuring of the college competitive series that will
> include, among other things, an increased number of divisions, a
> formalized regular season, and a new method for allocating bids to
> the
> College Championships."
>
> ...from the UPA blog? Yes or No?
>
> (HINT: The answer is YES)
>
> 2. Since you check the blog every day and have read it carefully, why
> did you say: "what are you talking about......that shit aint from
> their
> "blog"......although it would be a great topic for one of em to BLOG
> about."
>
> We will start with those two simple questions, maybe move on from
> there.

The other measure included in the "Toad Meter" is how many posts he
has in one month. If we keep his interest, he may reach 300 in
February. See the Top Posters here:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.disc/about
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13942 is a reply to message #13928] Thu, 26 February 2009 10:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 1:18 pm, pinto <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 9:56 am, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
>
> >  the link is right there on the front page
> > of the website and there have been only two entries this far and 0
> > comments.  even though i've made a couple that were, while being very
> > critical, clean......but will undoubtedly get burried.  I get the
> > feeling that the upa dosent like being challenged all that much.
>
> Dude, it's their house.

BULLSHIT!!! as an equall dues paying member its just as much mine as
it is theirs!!!
--------------------------------------------



 Would you let some fool track mud all through
> your house?

if they paid an equal share of the rent, and as long as thy cleaned it
up, how could i not? and in the end, if the mud tracking continued, i
might just have to move out myself in order to fully avoid it.
------------------------------------------------------------ -----------


 I wouldn't, I'd leave him the option of tracking mud
> through his own house if he wanted to, and leave it at that.


are you saying that the board of directors OWNS the upa?
------------------------------------------------------------ -----
>
> > i'm not really all that concerned with that......if i were, i'd go
> > find a newsgroup that dicussed us govt issues primarily.
>
> Yeah, it makes more sense to bitch about how the UPA uses all $0.00
> remaining of your onetime lifetime membership fee than how the federal
> government deploys the thousands that they relieve you of annually.

just as it makes more sense for you to be a little bitch about my
disposition here on rsd moreso than the actions of your boy W back
when he was in office, or your boy rush relentlessly campaigning
against you liberals, eh?
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13948 is a reply to message #13935] Thu, 26 February 2009 10:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 1:29 pm, Head Beagle <we...@jbu.edu> wrote:
> TOAD: Read this and actually pay attention this time.
>
> I'll try to make it simple for you.
>
> Step 1: Rover (which, btw, makes this HIS thread, not yours)

sorry but i dont believe in "thread ownership". to me threads take on
a life of their own no matter who starts em.
------------------------------------------------------------ -----------




we got an
> update on the college restructuring effort that's currently underway.
> For those of you who haven't kept up with it, we're in the process of
> a major restructuring of the college competitive series that will
> include, among other things, an increased number of divisions, a
> formalized regular season, and a new method for allocating bids to
> the
> College Championships."
>
> Step 2: Toad (that is YOU) said:
>
> "what are you talking about......that shit aint from their
> "blog"......although it would be a great topic for one of em to BLOG
> about."
>
> Step 3: Head Beagle pointed out that the quote IS in fact on the blog.
> Fourth paragraph of the February 7th posting. There are, as you said,
> only two postings, so you should be able to find it.

OK, thats from that outdated blog entry peri wrote. old news as far
as i'm concerned, but i'll admit, my error. I guess what she wrote
was simply shit that already been said that she regurgatated which,
while being news to op, wasnt anything new to me.


why not post a blog about some of the recent ACTUAL EXPERIMENTS that
have ALREADY BEEN CONDUCTED. I guess i'm just accustomed to getting
my info in "real time".......not "ultimate time".
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13949 is a reply to message #13941] Thu, 26 February 2009 11:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
Messages: 1411
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 1:45 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 10:29 am, Head Beagle <we...@jbu.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > TOAD: Read this and actually pay attention this time.
>
> > I'll try to make it simple for you.
>
> > Step 1: Rover (which, btw, makes this HIS thread, not yours) posted a
> > quote from the UPA blog.
>
> > "Speaking of more visible changes, after the SP update, we got an
> > update on the college restructuring effort that's currently underway.
> > For those of you who haven't kept up with it, we're in the process of
> > a major restructuring of the college competitive series that will
> > include, among other things, an increased number of divisions, a
> > formalized regular season, and a new method for allocating bids to
> > the
> > College Championships."
>
> > Step 2: Toad (that is YOU) said:
>
> > "what are you talking about......that shit aint from their
> > "blog"......although it would be a great topic for one of em to BLOG
> > about."
>
> > Step 3: Head Beagle pointed out that the quote IS in fact on the blog.
> > Fourth paragraph of the February 7th posting. There are, as you said,
> > only two postings, so you should be able to find it.
>
> > Step 4: Toad ignored Head Beagles post
>
> > Step 5: Head Beagle reminded Toad about the post
>
> > Step 6: Toad posts again, still not realizing that what he said ISN'T
> > on the blog, actually is.
>
> > Step 7: This post by Head Beagle.
>
> > Questions to end the post, please answer simply:
>
> > 1. Is this quote...
>
> > "Speaking of more visible changes, after the SP update, we got an
> > update on the college restructuring effort that's currently underway.
> > For those of you who haven't kept up with it, we're in the process of
> > a major restructuring of the college competitive series that will
> > include, among other things, an increased number of divisions, a
> > formalized regular season, and a new method for allocating bids to
> > the
> > College Championships."
>
> > ...from the UPA blog? Yes or No?
>
> > (HINT: The answer is YES)
>
> > 2. Since you check the blog every day and have read it carefully, why
> > did you say: "what are you talking about......that shit aint from
> > their
> > "blog"......although it would be a great topic for one of em to BLOG
> > about."
>
> > We will start with those two simple questions, maybe move on from
> > there.
>
> The other measure included in the "Toad Meter" is how many posts he
> has in one month. If we keep his interest, he may reach 300 in
> February. See the Top Posters here:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.disc/about- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

and the joe siedler meter is measured by how many cocks he can fit in
his mouth at once. Needless to say joe broke the meter. why dont you
eat shit and die you never-played-ultimate-anyways ass wipe.
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13953 is a reply to message #13913] Thu, 26 February 2009 11:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Peterson
Messages: 82
Registered: September 2008
Member
On Feb 26, 12:54 pm, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 6:07 am, Peterson <pevesteter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Joe and Beagle,
>
> > Please forward me a check for at least 25% of your total annual
> > income.  I have big plans for it.  I can't tell you exactly what I am
> > going to do with it but it is going to do someone some good.  Once I
> > receive your checks I will tell you specifically how I will be
> > spending it.   Make it snappy- people are suffering and this is the
> > ONLY way they can be helped. I know we can count on you because you
> > know my intentions are good and you would never question my ability to
> > determine what's best under these circumstances.  Help me fight the
> > good fight.
>
> > Peterson
>
> In order to make this the same as what happened with the Stimulus
> Bill, I need to have a summary of every item the money will be spent
> for. The GOP had that before the vote in Congress which is how they
> knew what to complain about on the floor and news channels. Where is
> your website with this data?

Well if you must know I was going to spend the money on talking about
ultimate observers / referees, quizes about spirit, sponsorship of the
US Canine Olympics, some grants to try some other ultimate stuff,
making Ultimate "greener", and of course the rest will create
millions of jobs. That's the summary. We are awaiting your funds.

Peterson
Re: Nice idea UPA [message #13954 is a reply to message #13931] Thu, 26 February 2009 11:20 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
MrPinto
Messages: 601
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Feb 26, 10:24 am, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
> On Feb 26, 1:09 pm, pinto <MrPi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Toadie, that wooshing noise you hear all the time?  That's cultural
> > references going over your head.
>
> speaking of wooshing.....i noticed you never replied to that "shit
> from shinola" reference.  maybe you can research it on the computer
> real quick though and give the illusion that you are as worldly as you
> want to appear to be.

You're right... use of the internet is a good way to figure out what
you don't know.
What you don't know is that the phrase is really kind of a cliché and
not popular due to a single movie.
The internet can help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinola

I kind of recall seeing Shinola pop up in your screed at some point or
other, but I don't recall the question. I can't imagine that it was
relevant to anything... can you?

~p
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