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Specific forehand mechanics that are failed to be taught - Pt. 3 [message #137448] Mon, 11 November 2013 22:19 Go to next message
johnnybansfield
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The final aspect of forehands that I will be covering is the angle created by the disc and the forearm. Similar to the joint between the proximal and middle phalanges of the middle and index fingers, the angle between the disc and the forearm should also be around 160 degrees.

I wish this photo could show the SPECIFIC wrong thing to do, but the form is so repugnant that it's useless and an educational example:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/14106 64_1380853135492976_1179427940_o.jpg

There are two ways to make the angle between the disc and the forearm 160 degrees. The wrong one (which I tried to show in the above photo and failed) would have the bottom of the disc come closer to the top part of the forearm. The correct one is the opposite, and shown in these photos:

http://www.ultiphotos.com/usau/champs/2013/mens/c/dw/is/h69d 47b4#h164ccd08

http://www.ultiphotos.com/usau/champs/2013/mens/c/dw/is/h69d 47b4#h69d47b4

The top of the disc tends toward the light colored, under side of the forearm in this example of the correct angle.

That should about cover everything with hopefully enough detail.
Re: Specific forehand mechanics that are failed to be taught - Pt. 3 [message #137457 is a reply to message #137448] Tue, 12 November 2013 03:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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, the angle between the disc and the
>
> forearm should also be around 160 degrees.
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---weird.....i've been called the 'best throwing coach' in the sport by a lot of players......and i'd say that angle from forearm to disc should be.........NO DEGREES.
a straight line.
disc and forearm.....in a straight line.

so...that's what i'm gonna recommend to all you folks out there learning or hoping to improve your flick.

personally....i'd trust ME on this one.
or...come to WUFF Camp.
Re: Specific forehand mechanics that are failed to be taught - Pt. 3 [message #137485 is a reply to message #137448] Tue, 12 November 2013 06:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
donovd
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Pro Tip for Alex Thorne there:

Open your eyes
Re: Specific forehand mechanics that are failed to be taught - Pt. 3 [message #137486 is a reply to message #137448] Tue, 12 November 2013 06:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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with my eyes close that dude looks like paul ryan.

peter mc
midwest disc sports collection
Re: Specific forehand mechanics that are failed to be taught - Pt. 3 [message #137497 is a reply to message #137485] Tue, 12 November 2013 14:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Brady
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Pro tip:

Fans love true no look throws. Play for the fans.

side note: 160 feels about right. nice write-ups JB.
Re: Specific forehand mechanics that are failed to be taught - Pt. 3 [message #137527 is a reply to message #137448] Wed, 13 November 2013 04:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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the angle between the disc and the
> forearm should also be around 160 degrees.
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---i'm looking at images from other sports.....

right handed baseball batters, their left arm leads the bat thru....and all the bats i see, are at the same angle as their left forearm(at the point of contact with the ball)

pistol grips....gun is the same angle as the forearm....imagine if you fired a pistol with your wrist cocked at 160...?

tennis rackets....are the same angle as the forearm.

karate chops...which i've always thought were very comparable to the flick....have their wrists at the same angle as the forearm. imagine if a karate chop DIDN'T have the wrist and forearm at the same angle!....no power....broken wrist.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t705987/ (image halfway down page)

golfers.....at the point of contact with the ball....the club is at the same angle as their forearms....that's even stance they 'address the ball' at.(unless you're charles barkley....he's in the "don't swing like this" group)

basketball shooters certainly do not hold the ball with their wrists cocked at 160degrees....they shoot with their wrists snapping at the same angle as their forearms.

how about a boxer?....do they have their wrists bent at 160 degrees?

an archer.....holder their bow with their left hand and arm extended out.....they're not holding the bow at 160 degrees from their forearm....their wrist is straight...same angle as their forearm.



the 160 degree thing......is gonna make your throws less efficient....more difficult
Re: Specific forehand mechanics that are failed to be taught - Pt. 3 [message #137534 is a reply to message #137527] Wed, 13 November 2013 05:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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i'm sure that very few.....to none....of you super smart ultimate players have ever swung a hammer.
....not THROWN a (frisbee) hammer......but swung a hammer at a nail.

you swing a hammer, at a nail, at the same angle as your forearm for maximum efficiency.

you don't bend your wrist at 160 degrees to your forearm to hold and properly swing a hammer.
Re: Specific forehand mechanics that are failed to be taught - Pt. 3 [message #137535 is a reply to message #137534] Wed, 13 November 2013 05:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
donovd
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http://www.ultiphotos.com/usau/champs/2013/mens/c/dw/is/h69d 47b4#h26f6e855
Re: Specific forehand mechanics that are failed to be taught - Pt. 3 [message #137537 is a reply to message #137535] Wed, 13 November 2013 05:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:43:02 AM UTC-5, Dan Donovan wrote:
> http://www.ultiphotos.com/usau/champs/2013/mens/c/dw/is/h69d
>
> 47b4#h26f6e855
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----aaahhhhhhh....disc....same angle as the forearm.
nice photo, Dan Donovan
Re: Specific forehand mechanics that are failed to be taught - Pt. 3 [message #137538 is a reply to message #137535] Wed, 13 November 2013 05:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:43:02 AM UTC-5, Dan Donovan wrote:
> http://www.ultiphotos.com/usau/champs/2013/mens/c/dw/is/h69d
>
> 47b4#h26f6e855
~~~~~~~~~~~~


---if this guy were swinging a hammer......flush in three hits.
Re: Specific forehand mechanics that are failed to be taught - Pt. 3 [message #137541 is a reply to message #137538] Wed, 13 November 2013 11:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Brady
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I misread the 160 (thought it was referencing forearm to upper arm angle at release which seems 'about right' on first check/thought). It's certainly possible the disc/forearm angle may be different before release (JB's analysis and photo links) and at release point AG's argument. Not that I am arguing that is better. Without a disc laying around, about 180 (per AG) seems how I do it.
Re: Specific forehand mechanics that are failed to be taught - Pt. 3 [message #137545 is a reply to message #137448] Wed, 13 November 2013 14:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
johnnybansfield
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Brady,

Thanks for pointing that out. The 160 degrees for the forearm to upper arm angle also holds true and is also extremely important.
Re: Specific forehand mechanics that are failed to be taught - Pt. 3 [message #137569 is a reply to message #137541] Thu, 14 November 2013 05:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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> I misread the 160 (thought it was referencing forearm to
> upper arm angle at release which seems 'about right' on
> first check/thought).


---well....the 160 degree things should have been a 'mis-read'...or....should have been a "mis-type"
because.....the disc and the forearm should be at the same angle.
~~~~~~~~~~~
It's certainly possible the
> disc/forearm angle may be different before release (JB's
> analysis and photo links)


---i'd say.........why?
if the forearm and disc are at DIFFERENT angles at any time during the throwing motion, it's more like scooping icecream......and karate chops don't include angle changing wrist motion from their start to finish...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
about 180 (per AG) seems how I do it.



---as should everyone.









WUFF Camp
Re: Specific forehand mechanics that are failed to be taught - Pt. 3 [message #137570 is a reply to message #137545] Thu, 14 November 2013 05:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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> Thanks for pointing that out. The 160 degrees for the
> forearm to upper arm angle also holds true and is also
> extremely important.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


---not "also extremely important".....because the first part that you suggest....160 degrees from disc to forearm.....is NOT extremely important....but rather....simply....less efficient.
Re: Specific forehand mechanics that are failed to be taught - Pt. 3 [message #137584 is a reply to message #137448] Thu, 14 November 2013 21:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EuhNGroups
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Long posts with pics is so 90's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgUyW5aGC2U
Re: Specific forehand mechanics that are failed to be taught - Pt. 3 [message #137598 is a reply to message #137584] Fri, 15 November 2013 03:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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On Friday, November 15, 2013 12:06:03 AM UTC-5, Euh wrote:
> Long posts with pics is so 90's
~~~~~~~~

---posts by a dipshit are sooooo euh.
Re: Specific forehand mechanics that are failed to be taught - Pt. 3 [message #138003 is a reply to message #137541] Fri, 29 November 2013 04:32 Go to previous message
mike gerics[1]
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On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:23:28 PM UTC-5, Brady wrote:
about 180 (per AG) seems how I do it.
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--hey, obi wanna be......
looks like brady thought i was enlightened enough about throwing mechanics to agree.....
and.....if you search up something like....mike g taught me a lot about back hand pulls, here on rsd, i bet you find some other folks 'thankful' for some of my enlightened offerings.

now...i don't know "johnny" who started this thread.....but i'd be more concerned that folks like him are trying to teach others how to throw, than about me not liking your tarheel unis or me wishing folks a happy thanksgiving.
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