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Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136435 is a reply to message #136125] Mon, 07 October 2013 22:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
california_encounter
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"Second, I have a newsflash: Your opinions don't matter. If you are a captain who wants to organize a team for one of these tournaments, then your opinion matters. If that is the case, you should go to that state page, click the link and communicate with the coordinator. "

So I am a captain of a club team, so I guess my opinion matters to you. First of all, you shouldnt say that. You are planning an event for the ultimate community, so you shouldnt tell a message board of ultimate players/organizers that you dont care about their opinions. Next, I would have brought my team to the california event had I more information. When I clicked on the link, it just said there would be 8 club teams, and had a date; however, every single state championship link said the exact same thing. 8 club teams, and a date. Nothing made it seem like anything was happening. There was no format listed, no interested teams, and again, the fact that it just looked like a copy of every single state tournament made it seem like no one had changed the link since its creation and made me question whether it would happen or not. I have no idea who you are (and I am SURE you have never heard of me), but it seems like you are in charge of the spirit championships. I would think you would take more ownership of the event. You know, like give out more details and help get this thing of the ground and not insult everyone that has their doubts about the series. I dont want you to take away from this thread that people are picking on you. I captain a club team, but that is my hobby. I have a full time job (working lots of weekends) and a family, so for me to participate in a tournament and bring my team together I need details and to know its going to happen. Further more, people here give every organization a hard time, because we want to make sure the sport we love is represented well, and our efforts to put together our teams arent wasted on something that isnt worth it. Just go ahead and ask Gerics about the UOA or Josh Moore about the AUDL if you think we are picking on you.
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136440 is a reply to message #136435] Tue, 08 October 2013 03:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mike gerics[1]
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Just go ahead
> and ask Gerics about the UOA or Josh Moore about the AUDL if
> you think we are picking on you.
~~~~~~~


---if you asked me....i'd say that the info on the website wouldn't be as super important.....as long as you were being super communicative DIRECTLY with the teams who are interested.
the UOA always communicated with the teams directly via email.
was that the case with the spirit championships?
i haven't read where the high point girls were writing the interested teams every day to let them know what's going on.
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136441 is a reply to message #136435] Tue, 08 October 2013 03:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mike gerics[1]
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Further more, people here give every organization a
>
> hard time, because we want to make sure the sport we love is
>
> represented well, and our efforts to put together our teams
>
> arent wasted on something that isnt worth it.
~~~~~~~~~~~



---UOA events are ALWAYS worth it....read the reviews from those who have attended!
well run, organized, well officiated.....we made the sport the best it could be for those who attended.
just ask.
and we communicated directly to the teams who were interested....
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136445 is a reply to message #136125] Tue, 08 October 2013 06:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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Josh[1]...

fwiw...some of your posts in this thread probably wouldn't pass the usa code of conduct sniff test.

don't go all NC on us,etc.

Peter Mc
mdsc
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136447 is a reply to message #136125] Tue, 08 October 2013 06:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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...usa ultimate that is
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136448 is a reply to message #136445] Tue, 08 October 2013 06:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
josh[1]
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Lance Marput...

To my knowledge, the USA doesn't have such a test. Not reading the headlines these days? Pretty much anyone can do anything, it seems. And if it did (or if you were attempting to refer to some other entity perhaps), fortunately for me, it'd be worth an approximation of zero.

If you've decided to be offended by any of my vocabulary choice, then I'll offer the platitude that I'm sorry you chose to be offended. But I'd advise against resorting to "go all [insert entire geographical boundary abbreviation]" insults, if you actually have a worthwhile thought to contribute (now or in the future). I find it hard to believe that the majority of people in any state merit your pejorative metaphor. Simply possessing a limited social circle does not reflect poorly on the misrepresented demographic, to anyone but aforementioned non-socialite.
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136449 is a reply to message #136448] Tue, 08 October 2013 07:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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"Not reading the headlines these days? Pretty much anyone can do anything, it seems."


Josh...That is precisely the attitude our sport has been avoiding since it began back in the day.


http://www.usaultimate.org/assets/1/Page/Coaching%20Ethics%2 0Code.pdf

If you want some advice and general consultation contact me directly. No time for ducks & drakes on this end.

Best of luck with tasks at hand.

Sincerely,
Peter Mc
mdsc
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136450 is a reply to message #136449] Tue, 08 October 2013 07:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
josh[1]
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I agree. Our sport has rules & ideals for a reason. I'm not seeing your point, especially if it has something to do with USA Ultimate's excellent coaching certification program, a real boon to the development of Ultimate for younger ages, which is clearly paying RESPECT to the sport and sharing it widely. In my community, we are seeing wonderful results of such initiatives.

Perhaps you missed my intended meaning? In reference to your allusion to conduct in the USA, the nation, (my response was not inclusive of your correction submission), I was reminded of the sad reality that people can promise to lead & fail to do so. I wish it was a "can do" attitude, but it seems to be a "can do anything I want to" attitude (including promising something without having done the bare minimum necessary to actually deliver).

I appreciate the offer for direct contact, but from my observations thus far, I see no value in consultation for your advice.

Best of luck to you too with your non-water fowl.
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136451 is a reply to message #136450] Tue, 08 October 2013 08:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
southwestultimate
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California encounter: 1 simple question and then I will address all of your comments in full.

Did you ever email the coordinator asking for more information?
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136452 is a reply to message #136451] Tue, 08 October 2013 08:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
josh[1]
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Trent, that's not a reasonable response to his/her point that the information available is either uncompelling &/or incomplete, and simple improvement could go a long way towards helping the event to succeed. The complaint was not a failure of expected response (like mine was) after having registered a team or tried to directly contact an email address. It's fine to further explore what ELSE might need to be improved, but you're not addressing the problem(s). Here are some reasonable response suggestions:

1) Thank you for being interested enough in the event to bring this to our attention. The website is unfortunately not incomplete, because there is very little to share by way of actual organization & planning for those events. This is a reality that we fully agree very much needs to be improved, in order for this event to serve the Ultimate community, and we are actively seeking competent & motivated individuals who will join us to make sure that it happens. I am sorry that your situation would not allow you to join us, but please do consider asking anyone who you think might be interested to email@name.domain

2) Thank you for being interested enough in the event to bring this to our attention. The website is indeed woefully incomplete, and there are significant plans and organization details for many (or all) of the tournaments, which are currently missing from the website. We realize that this is ineffective marketing and a poor reflection upon the series to direct people to an incomplete site for information, and we sincerely apologize for that. We are actively working with the individual event organizers to get the details posted as soon as possible. Please stay tuned. I will personally email you when the information has been posted, if you send your address to email@name.domain
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136453 is a reply to message #136452] Tue, 08 October 2013 10:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
southwestultimate
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Josh, the email address for the series is posted on the website multiple times. There is a link to contact state coordinators on each state page. My email address is posted on the board of directors page. If you want more information about an event, you should try sending an email. First to the state coordinator, then to spiritchampionships at gmail, and if by some miracle, you still don't get a reply, then email me directly.
I'm fascinated that such a concept if foreign to you. I will repeat this point for as long as it takes: If you are unwilling or unable to send an email, you should not expect to get an answer on RSD. Its amazing that so many members of RSD can't grasp that concept.
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136457 is a reply to message #136453] Tue, 08 October 2013 12:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
josh[1]
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Trent, I'm getting a clear sense for why you've likely struggled so much to find competent local volunteer organizers to run your events. Your communication is fairly irresponsible & quite reckless.

I appreciate that you've clearly posted appropriate contact email addresses on your website. That is indeed a key component for facilitating communication in this digital age. However, I have not personally found the email concept to be foreign at all. Instead what I ACTUALLY struggle to comprehend is why you think my advice to YOU (in direct response to your earlier posts in this public-facing forum) should be directed instead to a local event organizer, or even to your organization's general inbox, rather than in the same appropriate forum where the conversation was proceeding. These are not isolated bits of information to be directed to others, but RESPONSES that should help form a clear understanding of the views represented. I can't decide if you are truly misunderstanding or deliberately responding with completely unrelated statements.

Was it my use of what I was intending to be a generic email address that could represent any address of your actual preference? email@name.domain? If so, I apologize for not being clear enough. Here are my revised response suggestions (for whenever you receive constructive criticism from a helpful person like "california encounter"):

1) "Thank you for your interest and for sharing your valid concern about this event. The event website does unfortunately have all of the current details posted, and we apologize for the fact that there is so little. We regret that this has discouraged your team's participation. This is something that we fully agree very much needs to be improved in the future, so that our events might appropriately serve the Ultimate community. And we are actively seeking competent & motivated individuals who will join us to make sure that we do a better job in that regard. I am sorry that your situation would not allow you to join us as a local event coordinator, but please do consider asking anyone who you think might be interested to contact us at spiritchampionships at gmail"

2) "Thank you for your interest and for sharing your valid concern about this event. We can confirm that the event website is indeed woefully incomplete, as there are significant plans and organization details for many (or all) of the tournaments. Although they are currently missing from the event registration pages, we are actively working with the individual event organizer(s) to get all of the relevant details posted as soon as possible. We realize that directing people to an incomplete site for information can easily be perceived as ineffective marketing and a poor reflection upon the series. And we sincerely apologize for that. We realize that the time which you spend on organizing a team to participate & enjoy the event is indeed valuable time. Please do stay tuned for more details very soon. I will personally email you when the information has been posted, if you send your address to spiritchampionships at gmail"

Hmmm... apparently I was mistaken when I said I wasn't interested in working for you. No charge for the consultation, I guess. I sincerely hope that you consider my thoughts as you move forward. If you're interested in applying for the full-time local Ultimate director position that we are currently hiring, please don't.

[Am I really just feeding a TrOLLnt with these serious thoughts? Or is this a reasonable person who is actually trying to effectively organize successful events?]
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136460 is a reply to message #136457] Tue, 08 October 2013 13:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
southwestultimate
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Josh, your reply was too long and repetitive for me to read all the way through. We consider email communication to be more important than RSD or the website. I could spend all day answering random people who post on RSD. To do so in most situations, I would have to then contact the individual state coordinator, wait for their reply, and then respond. That is a waste of my time. So if you want information about an event, email the coordinators. If you want information about the series, email spiritchampionships at gmail.com. I'm not going to waste any more time explaining this simple concept.
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136462 is a reply to message #136460] Tue, 08 October 2013 13:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
josh[1]
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Trent, thanks for the clarification. That does actually help me understand you better. My advice then would be to never clumsily respond with what comes across as "email someone else about that," especially when the topic isn't appropriate for that 3rd person. Note that I'm not advising away from some response to criticism(s), but do actually respond to those thoughts & don't simply deflect. The value of the public forum is that it might actually be one act of communication on your part that answers the questions of many. Since you are more active in posting here than I am, I assume you must understand that. Ok, I'm quite done, if you are. Feel free to get in the last word, if you'd like.
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136463 is a reply to message #136125] Tue, 08 October 2013 13:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
buswek10
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Hey all,

I am the coordinator that has been picked for this tournament. I really would love it if everyone got the proper information before rude and unecessary comments were being posted. Yes HPU Ultimate is a young team, but we are also making great progress as a program that gets zero funding from anyone, but our own pockets and whatever other fundraisers we can come across. We were asked to host this tournament and we were excited to because of the importance we place on the Spirit of the Game. We wish that importance was emphasize in all aspects of frisbee, on and off the field.

I would like to apologize to anyone that says they have tried to reach out to us in the past. I am unaware of any of this happening. With us being college students and leaving after 4 years the management of the team gets passed around a lot and so those contacts have not been passed on through the years. I know myself and the other captains of our coed team would love any help we are offered.

I am here to answer any questions about the tournament you may have. We as a team are even coming back to school early from fall break to be able to host this tournament. We hope our sacrafice is worth it. Please help us to spread the word about this tournament and not tear it down. Wouldn't more ultimate in the area only be a positive thing? Lets not turn it negative.

Thanks for your time!
Kirstyn
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136465 is a reply to message #136463] Tue, 08 October 2013 16:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
josh[1]
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Best of luck making it happen, Kirstyn! You can remove the registration for "TFDA Fall League Allstars." It is too late for that team to be organized to attend.
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136479 is a reply to message #136465] Wed, 09 October 2013 07:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thefan
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Kirstyn, welcome to the board.

thus far, the main questions seem to be:

Is the tournament going to take place?
Where will the tournament take place?
How many teams do you have committed to the tournament?
Who are these teams?

as someone local to the area and interested in seeing the sport grow, my follow up question would be:

What steps have you taken to try to ensure that the tournament is well attended?
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136485 is a reply to message #136479] Wed, 09 October 2013 12:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
donovd
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Trent,

You are correct that some people have bashed you who have no intention on playing in your series. But you seem have shut down to any advice/criticism even if it was from someone genuinely trying to participate in your series.

I myself would have submitted a bid and put in the effort to round up a team for my state (Michigan's) tournament if there was some more information. Unfortunately the site lacked so much basic info that I was convinced there was no way the tourney was going to get off the ground.

Why should I assume that you have all the details in place and are just keeping them secret? I assume that if you had a field site, you would publish the location. If you had a date, you would publish it, if you had a format, you would publish it. Instead you suggest that all interested parties need to send a flurry of emails to an unnamed coordinator who would have to respond with the same information every time. Why not just use the website that you have and publish info so you don't have to send 20+ emails a day answering the same question?

People are trying to give you feedback to help you grow your tournaments and you come back at them saying either their opinion doesn't matter or that it's their fault and that they were lazy.

Obviously you did not recruit as many teams as you set out to this year, although some people have been rude about it, there has been a ton of advice for how you could recruit more teams, maybe you should start listening instead of responding to criticism like my teenage sister.
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136486 is a reply to message #136485] Wed, 09 October 2013 12:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
southwestultimate
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Donovd, at one point we had two state coordinators in Michigan, they both quit without really doing anything. That's why the tournament didn't happen. It would have been really nice if they had deleted the tournament page before they quit but they didn't. It would also be really nice if I had unlimited time to track all 50 states and make sure that all the information was accurate. The other members of the board also don't have a lot of time, and what time we do have has been concentrated on trying to make the events which are happening this year as solid as possible.
You are correct that the Michigan tourney never got off the ground. I as a TD assume that if somebody is interested in attending an event that they will at the very least send an email saying "Hey, is this thing happening?" if their isn't a lot of info on the site. You would be surprised by how many teams send emails after an event has been cancelled or downsized, and how often 1 timely email can be the difference between an event happening or a larger field site being used. Most new tournaments take some time to get established, similar to a new business. This is especially true in the Ultimate community where a lot of players and teams take a wait and see approach rather than proactively asking how they can help. It's certainly not your fault that the Michigan event didn't happen, but there is a small chance that your email would have made enough of a difference that the event could have happened. You just never know.
I'm not shutting down advice criticism, I'm just trying to let people know the value of emailing. If you send an email and don't get a reply, you have a right to complain. If you can't be bothered to send an email, then In My Honest Opinion, you shouldn't complain. That's all I'm trying to say.

Also, IMHO, most of the feedback in this thread was not a sincere effort to help grow the tournaments, but simply people being critical. (In part because I have often been critical of USAU) I guess I missed most of that advice on how to recruit more teams, perhaps you would be kind enough to recap it for me. The only advice I have seen in that regard is maintain the website better. Duly noted.

And one last note: You and several others have said you want more information on the website, while others have been critical of promising too much. Both are valid points, but contradictory. We are trying to do something new, my sincere apologies to anybody who made plans to participate in a tournament which didn't end up happening. To the best of my knowledge, all of those players and teams have been communicated with directly. But again, if you made plans and never sent an email, that really limits our ability to communicate with you.
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136491 is a reply to message #136451] Wed, 09 October 2013 17:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
california_encounter
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I did not email the coordinator of the tournament asking for more information. I did, however, post on reddit on a thread, but got a similar response "email the coordinator". Keep in mind, this reddit thread was about whether or not this was serious or a joke. So after that, I just thought it was a joke. The california tournament link looked identical to every other link, so I just assumed no work had been done, and I wasnt going to waste my time. Since there was no information at all about format of the tournament or teams attending, or any statement from a tournament director anywhere stating that the tournament was happening, I just assumed it wasnt and didnt bother. Have any states had tournaments yet? How were they? Are any having them in the future? which states?
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136492 is a reply to message #136491] Wed, 09 October 2013 18:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
southwestultimate
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The website has just been updated. It's not a joke, it is a new project with lots of moving parts. The California tournament technically took place on Labor Day, although several teams wanted another chance to participate so we are trying to find fields for another date, likely in November. I know this is repetitive, but for this series, emailing the people in charge is pretty much always going to be a better way to get information than RSD or reddit.

Now as promised, I will address the rest of your comments:
"So I am a captain of a club team, so I guess my opinion matters to you. First of all, you shouldnt say that. You are planning an event for the ultimate community, so you shouldnt tell a message board of ultimate players/organizers that you dont care about their opinions."

I didn't say that I don't care about their opinions, I said their opinions don't matter. To clarify, I probably should have said that the opinions of people who want to participate in the series means a lot more than the opinions of people who are primarily interested in talking about the event.

"Next, I would have brought my team to the california event had I more information. When I clicked on the link, it just said there would be 8 club teams, and had a date; however, every single state championship link said the exact same thing. 8 club teams, and a date. Nothing made it seem like anything was happening. There was no format listed, no interested teams, and again, the fact that it just looked like a copy of every single state tournament made it seem like no one had changed the link since its creation and made me question whether it would happen or not."

Those are all fair points. The websites haven't been very well maintained thus far. As I have mentioned multiple times, most of the original state coordinators we recruited ended up not running the tournament for whatever reason. Their replacements have been concentrating on things like finding fields and teams, and a number of them have chosen not to use the topscore site. The first time you recruit somebody to run a tournament, you tell them how to do it, by the time you get to the 4th or 5th person for the same event, you take what you can get. Just being honest here. I finally took some time out of my schedule to update the website. That's time that wasn't spent planning an event, or communicating to prospective teams.

"I have no idea who you are (and I am SURE you have never heard of me), but it seems like you are in charge of the spirit championships. I would think you would take more ownership of the event."

I've been working on this project non stop all year long with no pay. It owns me.

"You know, like give out more details and help get this thing of the ground and not insult everyone that has their doubts about the series."

I never insulted everybody who has doubts, I insulted people who complain about things but don't do anything to change them. Anybody who was insulted by my comments has put themselves in that category.

"I dont want you to take away from this thread that people are picking on you. I captain a club team, but that is my hobby. I have a full time job (working lots of weekends) and a family, so for me to participate in a tournament and bring my team together I need details and to know its going to happen. Further more, people here give every organization a hard time, because we want to make sure the sport we love is represented well, and our efforts to put together our teams arent wasted on something that isnt worth it. Just go ahead and ask Gerics about the UOA or Josh Moore about the AUDL if you think we are picking on you."

The criticism in this thread is not the kind of criticism that leads to a better product. It is the type of criticism that leads to people not posting news on here. USAU, the MLU and the AUDL don't spend a lot of time posting news on here, probably for that very reason. The only reason I do is that I still have hopes that RSD can be a place where news is made and not just discussed.
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136494 is a reply to message #136486] Wed, 09 October 2013 18:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mgd.mitch
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southwestultimate wrote on Wed, 09 October 2013 15:46
I as a TD assume that if somebody is interested in attending an event that they will at the very least send an email saying "Hey, is this thing happening?" if their isn't a lot of info on the site.
Trent, this is your biggest issue. Stop making this assumption. Your website made it look like this whole thing was a joke. Your website is the face of the operation. Sure it's easy to send an email, but it's even easier to look at the website one is already on and gather information. The information said 20+ tournaments came and went without a single team registering. Don't blame people for drawing obvious conclusions. And let's face it, based on the information you finally posted on your website, those conclusions were correct for almost all locations.

You keep expecting other people to do the work and take the responsibility. It's your series, the buck stops with you. It's up to you to find quality TD's. It's up to you to communicate, not set up some website and assume everyone will just keep it up to date, especially when it was obvious it wasn't happening. It's up to you to make sure teams are getting the word instead of waiting for everyone to come to you.
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136496 is a reply to message #136492] Wed, 09 October 2013 19:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
josh[1]
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southwestultimate wrote on Wed, 09 October 2013 18:15
... by the time you get to the 4th or 5th person for the same event, you take what you can get.

I think you were actually SETTLING for whoever you could get all along. Yeah, don't do that.

southwestultimate wrote on Wed, 09 October 2013 18:15
I finally took some time out of my schedule to update the website. That's time that wasn't spent... communicating to prospective teams.

Ok, so I don't think that you really understand how the internet works. See, YOU post information on your website, and then those PROSPECTIVE TEAMS that you seek are able to FIND that information, and that makes it COMMUNICATED to them. We can call it "magic" if you need us to.

southwestultimate wrote on Wed, 09 October 2013 18:15
I insulted people who complain about things but don't do anything to change them.

I see. So, if I ever see you strutting back and forth completely naked from the waist to your socks, right after you've invited a whole BUNCH of people to come check out your new pants, I shouldn't bother telling you about it, right? You want me to go buy pants for you, and make them nice ones too, I'm guessing? And then dress you up, so you can then say, "See?! Told you all that I had new pants! Why the heck were people pointing & giggling & saying I was naked?" That sounds like a great idea, totally the way that you should expect the world to work for you.

southwestultimate wrote on Wed, 09 October 2013 18:15
The criticism in this thread is not the kind of criticism that leads to a better product.

But actually, it really IS that kind. Well, it COULD be, if it was being considered by someone seriously willing & interested in producing something better. But because you can't see that, here's what I'm thinking. There are SO many other alternative endeavors that you'd probably be great at! Or... just NOT be as not-great at doing. Let's look for something where you don't ever go on any kind of public record or talk very much to people or ever access the internet.

southwestultimate wrote on Wed, 09 October 2013 18:15
USAU, the MLU and the AUDL don't spend a lot of time posting news on here

Have you heard of Facebook? Twitter? Any of the forums more widely used by the general public? I think that your mind is about to get blown. Wait! First, we probably need to go over how those ORGANIZATIONS, made up of competent organizers, don't do anything like what you're doing. But even so, I think there are things they do that you might consider doing too. For example, they actually RUN the events that they post about! I know, right? Talk about magic! It's actually a pretty cool concept. They start by announcing something, kind of like you do, but then it turns out that what they were announcing is something that EXISTS! No, not just conceptually or hypothetically, but in the real world where all 5 of our senses provide feedback to our brains. I don't know if it already exists when they announce, or if they somehow know HOW to make it start existing by the time that they say it's going to. But I'll try to find out & let you know. Wait right there until I get back.

southwestultimate wrote on Wed, 09 October 2013 18:15
I still have hopes that RSD can be a place where news is made and not just discussed.

WHAT?! You don't understand the concept of NEWS either?!
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136498 is a reply to message #136492] Wed, 09 October 2013 21:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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southwestultimate,

next time you need a host for your event, contact me and i'll work hard to make the event happen.

sincerely
mike g
wilmington nc
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136503 is a reply to message #136125] Thu, 10 October 2013 04:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136504 is a reply to message #136503] Thu, 10 October 2013 05:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
josh[1]
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*sad face* And here you were the only one that I've ever wanted to impress too. Who's anony? By my count, I've got...
Trent: -50
Lance Marput Peter Mc mdsc: troll
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136505 is a reply to message #136125] Thu, 10 October 2013 06:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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josh,

Purge satan from your heart...soon.

Peter Mc
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136506 is a reply to message #136505] Thu, 10 October 2013 06:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
josh[1]
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I think we're pretty close to that very glorious occurrence. Looks like his campaign of madness & mayhem (affectionately dubbed "The Spirit Championships") is tentatively scheduled for Nov. 23-24, but we will have to wait until more State Championships are concluded to determine the date for sure.
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136508 is a reply to message #136506] Thu, 10 October 2013 08:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mvuong
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Supposedly the NJ state tournament went off without a hitch, and it even has a champion (Clueless Bandits)! Being originally from NJ, I was curious to see what teams played in this tournament. It seems 14 teams competed, but I can't seem to find those teams. Not on score reporter, and not on the spirit champs website. There is a champion but not schedule or teams list. Am I supposed to email the NJ coordinator to get a list of teams that played in a tournament two weekends ago?
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136509 is a reply to message #136508] Thu, 10 October 2013 10:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
southwestultimate
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Supposedly you are looking for information about the NJ state tournament, and you think that posting on an RSD thread about a different State Tournament is a better way to get information than emailing the coordinator. Unless you don't actually care, you just wanted to complain about something.

Question: How many trolls does it take to screw in a light bulb, I mean send an email?
Answer: Unknown, they haven't figured out how to do that yet.

It's not personal mvuong, I'm making fun of all the people who think that posting on RSD is a better way to get information than sending an email. Honest question here: Was your motivation for posting your comment to find out the information, or to point out that the website hadn't been updated?
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136510 is a reply to message #136509] Thu, 10 October 2013 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mvuong
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I'm posting to point out why it's a bit ridiculous to need to email the coordinator to find out something like this, especially when top score has this functionality built in. Why are you so high on people needing to contact you to find out trivial things along with nontrivial things? Why can't I find information about a PAST tournament without resorting to an email? I mean, we are using the internet to do this right? It has been reasonable my entire ultimate career (albeit much shorter than many of the other posters here) to be able to find enough information about tournaments in postings to be able to ascertain whether a) it is happening or has happened and b) if it did happen, who played there (and usually results too, but that isn't nearly as reliable). I think maybe you are stuck in times past where all information had to be personal correspondence.

Why are you assuming anyone who posts is a troll? Why are you assigning me the worst intentions automatically? I wanted to see if any of my friends had played in this tournament so I could talk to them to see if they had a good time. Maybe they could have posted something here to help allay the fears others are having and showing that some states are getting it together and have hosted great tournaments. Guess we can't do that unless we emailed any of the participants individually.

Ah well, I don't care enough any more to pursue this.
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136513 is a reply to message #136509] Thu, 10 October 2013 11:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jt
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On Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:14:03 PM UTC-4, southwestultimate wrote:
> Supposedly you are looking for information about the NJ
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> state tournament, and you think that posting on an RSD
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> thread about a different State Tournament is a better way to
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> get information than emailing the coordinator. Unless you
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> don't actually care, you just wanted to complain about
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> something.
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>
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> Question: How many trolls does it take to screw in a light
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> bulb, I mean send an email?
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> Answer: Unknown, they haven't figured out how to do that
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> yet.
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>
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> It's not personal mvuong, I'm making fun of all the people
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> who think that posting on RSD is a better way to get
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> information than sending an email. Honest question here:
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> Was your motivation for posting your comment to find out the
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> information, or to point out that the website hadn't been
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> updated?
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> --
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> Posted from http://www.rsdnospam.com

I think he asked a relevant question without complaining. It seems you are taking some heat, some of which seems founded, for not at least updating your website. In my personal opinion, you should not have to contact the event coordinator to find out the results of a tournament, especially in a series of tournaments. Stop being so defensive when someone asks a legit question. Maybe your website is not setup to have results. But at least with this question, it has come to your attention that maybe you need to address it. Seriously, good luck with your efforts.

JT
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136515 is a reply to message #136513] Thu, 10 October 2013 12:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mgd.mitch
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Worst marketing campaign EVER.
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136516 is a reply to message #136515] Thu, 10 October 2013 13:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
southwestultimate
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mvuong, thank you for answering my question. You were in fact more interested in being critical than in getting the information about the state tournament. You could have asked "Does anyone know where I can get some more information about the NJ State tournament. I used to play there so I wanted to see if I recognized any of the teams." Had you asked that question, I most likely would have directed you to the facebook page the TD decided to use for the tournament rather than use the topscore site. That would have required a little bit of homework on my part, but I do try to go out of my way for polite requests. You could also get the same information by EMAILING THE COORDINATOR. Perhaps that is not reasonable in your mind, but that's just the way it is at this point in time.
When you get sarcastic and spend more time on criticism than politely asking for information, you will get the kind of reply you got. I'm hoping that eventually some of the people on here will learn that, but I'm not terribly optimistic.
"Why are you so high on people needing to contact you to find out trivial things along with nontrivial things?"
I don't want people to contact me, that's the whole point. I want people to contact the person who actually has the information. Now you have wasted my time, your time, JT's time, and the time of everybody else who has bothered to read this far. All to make a point about a website not having all the information. For those of you who still don't get it: The website is not necessarily your best source of information about each of the state tournaments. If you require more information than is posted on the website, your best bet is to email the person(s) in charge of that state. Posting your question on RSD or reddit or anywhere else will likely be a waste of time. You may not like it, you may choose to base your opinion of the series on that fact, but that's the way it is. If you think you can do a better job than your existing state coordinator, apply for the job. Thank you.
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136517 is a reply to message #136516] Thu, 10 October 2013 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mgd.mitch
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For those of you (singular) that don't get it, the website SHOULD be the best source of information since you don't have to wait for someone to get back to you.
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136518 is a reply to message #136517] Thu, 10 October 2013 13:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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for those trying to keep count... that is mgd.mitch's ~ 13th complaint about this grass roots national series. pace yourself dude.


Peter Mc
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136519 is a reply to message #136518] Thu, 10 October 2013 13:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
josh[1]
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You're such a good counter, Lance Marput/Peter Mc!

For those trying to interpret interesting vocabulary choices, "grass roots" = "poorly planned & communicated"
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136520 is a reply to message #136519] Thu, 10 October 2013 13:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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critique all you want anonymous josh[1]...

There are many different groups in any "community."

I'd venture to say yourself and Trent are in different groups in the United States' ultimate community.

What if 2/3 of the United States have state spirit tourneys in 2014 or 2015?

Everybody's goal isn't to compete in the USA Ultimate series. It's that simple.

Or how about this?..give in and follow the NC tourney coordinator's wishes. Keep it positive out here....

Peter Mc
Columbia, MO







Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136521 is a reply to message #136520] Thu, 10 October 2013 14:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
josh[1]
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I hope that any future iteration of this series experiences significant improvement indeed, and I wish that I could force myself to be optimistic about the prospects. The responses from Mr. Simmons in this thread have completely alienated my personal willingness to participate, but I certainly believe that only a very small percentage of the targeted demographic is paying any attention around here. If the communication platforms where those folks do indeed tend to gather information are better maintained & utilized, perhaps there can be hope after all.

Re: positivity. You're taking the lead there, friend.

[What is it with you & misperceiving anonymity? At least on RSDnospam, which I realize you may not be using, I am not the one posting under 2 totally different names. And if you look at my post history, my identity is extremely apparent. I'm just not going to share my date of birth, mother's maiden name, & social security number with you. Stop asking!]
Re: North Carolina State Championships 10/19-20 [message #136522 is a reply to message #136519] Thu, 10 October 2013 14:10 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Knappy
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Trent,
Not since Amy's Baking Company have I seen such an odd approach to marketing & promoting a new venture. Haranguing your potential customers & criticizing your former partners isn't always the best way to get off to a successful start. I know you want to convince yourself that it's a "them" problem (the USAU, your many former TD's, the critics of RSD, etc.), but I am pretty confident this is a "you" problem.

We're all rooting for the grass root organizers of our sport. many of us have been doing it for years. We don't want to tell friend & local teams that attending your event in Sarasota is likely a waste of time & money. We want to root for you, Trent. Stop making it so damned hard on us.







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