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Ultimate vs. Disc Golf [message #134235] Thu, 15 August 2013 22:37 Go to next message
patrick_kenworthy
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I have played ultimate at the college level for two years now. I picked up disc golf this summer, and I really enjoyed it. I have heard some people say that playing disc golf will negatively effect my throws for ultimate. The argument is that they require different throwing motions, so I can sort of "un-learn" muscle memory for an ultimate disc by playing disc golf. However, I remember reading an article on the Ultimate Rob website that encouraged ultimate players to try disc golf. What are some opinions on this?
Re: Ultimate vs. Disc Golf [message #134258 is a reply to message #134235] Fri, 16 August 2013 04:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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> I have played ultimate at the college level for two years
> now. I picked up disc golf this summer,
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---if you're an ultimate player, planning to keep playing ultimate......use an ultimate disc to play frisbee golf.

possibly...opt OUT of the 'landing in the basket' in favor or 'rattling the chains'

if you want to become a frisbee golfer......go get all those goofy little discs, carry a bag while playing(?) and push a 3 wheeled baby jogger with a cooler and radio in the seat....



i'd suggest.....staying an ultimate player.....use disc golf as a practice activity for ultimate....use an ultimate disc.....and beat the crap outta those folks with those silly little weird flying discs.
Re: Ultimate vs. Disc Golf [message #134267 is a reply to message #134258] Fri, 16 August 2013 05:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
southwestultimate
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While throwing a disc golf disc may help you build some arm and wrist strength in your backhand, the throwing motion is generally different enough to negatively affect your ultimate throws. Disc golfers do generally make pretty good pullers however. My recommendation would be to find a partner and play disc golf with a mark, using an ultimate disc. One of the best ways to actually practice getting a huck off with an aggressive mark as well as great practice marking a hucker. Probably want to wear gloves while marking though as repeatedly hand blocking hucks starts to hurt after a while.
Re: Ultimate vs. Disc Golf [message #134268 is a reply to message #134267] Fri, 16 August 2013 05:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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On Friday, August 16, 2013 8:24:03 AM UTC-4, southwestultimate wrote:
My recommendation would be to find a
> partner and play disc golf with a mark, using an ultimate
> disc.



---one.
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Probably want to wear gloves while
> marking though as repeatedly hand blocking hucks starts to
> hurt after a while.



----two

two bad ideas.
come on southwest....the poster enjoys disc golf....he doesn't want to 1-have a marker, because, there are no markers in disc golf and he doesn't want, i hope to 2-look like a doofus wearing a glove playing a disc sport.


seriously....what's wrong with some of you people?
a glove....and a marker....for disc golf?????
jeepers........
Re: Ultimate vs. Disc Golf [message #134314 is a reply to message #134235] Fri, 16 August 2013 11:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joaqman
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Play all you want, it will help your backhand, just don't throw any forehands. Also, it's possible to compete in both at high levels while in college.
Re: Ultimate vs. Disc Golf [message #134316 is a reply to message #134235] Fri, 16 August 2013 12:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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joaqman....why no forehand ?
Re: Ultimate vs. Disc Golf [message #134325 is a reply to message #134316] Fri, 16 August 2013 12:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
T H
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I started playing disc golf somewhat frequently my 2nd year of ultimate (2nd year of college). While many people have said they feel like it messes up their throws, the one major take away I carried over was wrist snap. I was gifted (and have been using it for 5 years now) a Star Stingray. It doesn't fly just like an ultimate disc, but it isn't understable/overstable (or whatever) like a lot of your disc golf discs probably are, it flys straight or outside in once broken in.

If you're going to play disc golf consistently, learn to x-step, ask a vet for advice on your wrist snap/follow through.

I vaguely remember reading something years ago about a coach in North Carolina advocating disc golf for the club team he was coaching (it was in a blog type post a coach kept that i stumbled upon years ago).
Re: Ultimate vs. Disc Golf [message #134326 is a reply to message #134235] Fri, 16 August 2013 13:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colinmcintyre
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patrick_kenworthy wrote on Fri, 16 August 2013 01:37
I have played ultimate at the college level for two years now. I picked up disc golf this summer, and I really enjoyed it. I have heard some people say that playing disc golf will negatively effect my throws for ultimate. The argument is that they require different throwing motions, so I can sort of "un-learn" muscle memory for an ultimate disc by playing disc golf. However, I remember reading an article on the Ultimate Rob website that encouraged ultimate players to try disc golf. What are some opinions on this?


In short, if you want to play disc golf and also play Ultimate, I think you should do that, and don't worry too much. Learn the differences in the throws and understand what you don't want to translate back and forth. You might also like playing Guts or doing some of the Overall events. I have enjoyed all of those, and I think Ultimate Rob has competed at some level in most or all of them.

I stopped playing disc golf for many years because I struggled to keep the throwing motions separate when I was starting to play College Ultimate. Now, ten years later, I play both and do not have an issue with it. In hindsight, I think I could have continued to do both. My recollection is there was a Collegiate Disc Golf champion playing on Oregon's team a few years ago...

The throws have some similarities, but also some major differences. Sheer arm speed is less of a focus in Ultimate, for example, the discs have different flight characteristics, the goals of the disc flight are very different, etc. I think it's comparable to racquet sports. You can play tennis and racquetball or table tennis or badminton. They are different motions with some similarities. I don't think you have to swear off of all of them and only play one. If you play racquetball and then your first tennis shot you hit goes into the bottom of the net, I think you just remind yourself and make the adjustment -- don't quit racquetball.

The forehand is different. Disc golfers step with their left foot, typically throw a very overstable disc really hard. Completely opposite of trying to deal with the unstableness of the Ultrastar (basically a hyzer-flip in disc golf).

For me, the bigger issue was just finding available weekends. It is hard to practice regularly with an Ultimate team and go to tournaments and also find weekends for disc golf tournaments. Though many disc golf tournaments are only one day, which can make scheduling easier. It is hard to find time to be really competitive and committed to two separate activities. But I see no inherent reason to avoid doing both at some level.

In general, I think hucking against a really aggressive mark is presented too often as a primary throwing goal. Really, most good deep throwers are creating situations where they can make strong, reliable throws, with good setup (whether cutting or faking). Much better to get good at throwing really well from a powerful position than to spend lots of time trying to practice hucking from non-ideal positions. Before you're going to be good at hucking against a really tough mark, you'll need to be great at throwing hucks generally, so might as well develop the base as your starting point. My guess is, two years into college, there's room to work on that base. And there's plenty of room to develop as a great thrower by improving your mental game and setup, in addition to your raw skills. But I think hucking against a really hard mark is the last thing to work on, and becomes much less necessary as your decision-making and setup improve. For example, that's something I did a lot more of on a College B-team and on middling Club teams than I did at the Club Nationals ("elite") level.

I also don't think playing disc golf with an Ultimate disc is great practice. If you want to play disc golf, play disc golf. If you want to practice Ultimate, practice Ultimate. There is no need to mix them. For example, an ideal disc golf shot with an Ultimate disc will not often look like a good pull or a good huck -- you'll want more distance, less hang time, a reliable shape, and maybe some roll, or even a skip.

-Colin
Re: Ultimate vs. Disc Golf [message #134327 is a reply to message #134325] Fri, 16 August 2013 13:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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> I vaguely remember reading something years ago about a coach
>
> in North Carolina advocating disc golf for the club team he
>
> was coaching
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--if i were a NC coach i'd advocate disc golf...with an ultimate disc...rattling the chains instead of landing in the basket....no gloves.....no mark....
Re: Ultimate vs. Disc Golf [message #134328 is a reply to message #134316] Fri, 16 August 2013 14:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joaqman
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Lance, 'no forehands' is probably extreme. I just found that throwing forehands with a golf disc doesn't improve your ultimate game, while throwing backhands does, so I figure do the thing that helps your ultimate game (if ultimate remains your primary goal).
Re: Ultimate vs. Disc Golf [message #134329 is a reply to message #134328] Fri, 16 August 2013 14:42 Go to previous message
Lance Marput
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roger that....have a good weekend.
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