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mlu vs. audl [message #133632] Tue, 06 August 2013 20:42 Go to next message
seanc
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now that both professional seasons are over, i'd love to see some thoughts regarding mlu vs. audl. to my mind, the mlu was higher quality ultimate and more fun to watch due to greater talent, fewer jump balls, turn overs, hospital passes, and more graceful play (better flow and strategic execution).. i was also very interested to see that the choice of official discs made a significant difference to my viewing experience. despite my preference for the aesthetics of the mlu games, i really disliked the innova pulsar -- not enough stability in the wind and too much float.

i readily acknowledge that this is a partially informed view based as it is on watching only a handful of games from each league. also, although my personal bias is towards self-officiated, usau style ultimate on a traditionally sized field, i'm really excited to have more ultimate to watch.

sean
Re: mlu vs. audl [message #133633 is a reply to message #133632] Tue, 06 August 2013 21:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
glimmer
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The MLU level of play is higher, but it's not as if AUDL was garbage league. I think the margin is slim and has more to do with experience rather than skills and talent. Most MLU teams were established clubs with a new name and were already playing with each other.

At 12 minutes/qtr, AUDL games are too long. The referees are generally poorly trained and add nothing. I think the ESPN broadcast showed that there is drama and story in the player disagreements. AUDL refs were like arbititing with a Magic 8 ball. I'd like to see a pro league give observers/no-refs a try in 2014.

Having recently held an Innova for the first time, my first thought was "is this a toy disc? What's wrong with it?" - that was before i realized it was an Innova. I didn't throw with it, but it sure felt shitty in my hand.
Re: mlu vs. audl [message #133641 is a reply to message #133633] Wed, 07 August 2013 02:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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.. I'd like to see a pro league give observers/no-refs a
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> try in 2014.
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---there was a fella last year who was considering starting a pro league.....and he was in contact with the UOA about using our official methods and philosophies.

if i were running a pro league....i'd use UOA officials.

we make the game the way it should be.

get with us!
Re: mlu vs. audl [message #133653 is a reply to message #133633] Wed, 07 August 2013 07:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
seanc
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On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 9:28:03 PM UTC-7, A Glimmer wrote:
> The MLU level of play is higher, but it's not as if AUDL was
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> garbage league. I think the margin is slim and has more to
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> do with experience rather than skills and talent.

i agree; not a garbage league. hard for me to separate out experience from skill, though. the mlu teams seemed more skilled to me. maybe the margin's not enormous, but still pretty noticeable.

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> At 12 minutes/qtr, AUDL games are too long.

agreed.

> The referees are
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> generally poorly trained and add nothing. I think the ESPN
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> broadcast showed that there is drama and story in the player
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> disagreements. AUDL refs were like arbititing with a Magic 8
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> ball. I'd like to see a pro league give observers/no-refs a
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> try in 2014.

the refs will improve with practice, but you're right about the espn broadcast. pro-league with observers would awesome to see.

sean
Re: mlu vs. audl [message #133683 is a reply to message #133653] Wed, 07 August 2013 11:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
southwestultimate
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I have thrown several times with the Innova and have actually found it to be more stable in the wind. But it is an over-stable* disc as opposed to the under-stable* Discraft. Meaning that if you throw a righty forehand, the Innova will fade right at the end, and a Discraft will fade left. *I may have these terms backwards.
So if I had to huck upwind, I would rather do so with an Innova (Your wrist naturally bends upwards on a forehand, not downward, and the disc itself naturally curls the same way, which is why you have to put a heavy inside out on a upwind huck using a Discraft, and an Innova requires less of an inside out throw)

But the rim is heavier and you have to relearn how to throw. The overall difference is minimal, but exaggerated on a huck. So yeah, I could see there being more floaty hucks from players that have played their whole career with a Discraft. But I would bet that a brand new player would have an easier time learning to throw a forehand with an Innova. The thicker rim might make it harder to catch though.

In terms of the difference between the two leagues, I think that glimmer is right when he says that the main difference was that MLU had mainly USAU club teams playing under a different name. Not sure what percentage of the AUDL teams in Chicago, Madison, and Minneapolis will be playing on their respective club teams. My impression of the Rush is that it was essentially the Toronto club team, hence their success. Does Goat stack up against Ironside or Revolver? Probably not.
But I would be interested to hear some informed opinions on whether the MLU or the AUDL teams were better in D.C. , Philly, and New York as those are the cities where the two leagues went head to head for talent.
Re: mlu vs. audl [message #133684 is a reply to message #133683] Wed, 07 August 2013 11:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
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interesting stuff on Ultiworld today:
http://ultiworld.com/2013/08/07/transcript-interview-with-th e-audls-tim-debyl/#more-10967

Agreed on all points made in this thread so far. I went to 3 MLU games this year (2 spinners & the finals). I watched some AUDL online, but had some issues with streaming 1 game. The MLU games I streamed worked great, but maybe this was just situational.

MLU definitely won head2head for talent & fans/attendance in Philly & DC. Not even close. Someone else will have to chime in on NYC.

The general consensus from all that I read (see Ultiworld, Reddit discussions) is that MLU had better refs.

MLU had 10 min quarters, AUDL went with 12. Bet you they both have 10 min quarters next year.

The major difference, in my eyes, is that MLU is centralized business model vs AUDL's franchise model. I think this will be the main challenge for AUDL if they continue forward.
Re: mlu vs. audl [message #133729 is a reply to message #133684] Thu, 08 August 2013 07:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bostonmixed
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I can only speak for the Boston area, but from working with the Rampage (AUDL) and Whitecaps (MLU) I can say that the MLU and Whitecaps were noticeably better in every aspect. Much better in terms of attendance, quality of play, quality of broadcast, and overall game experience.


Re: mlu vs. audl [message #133754 is a reply to message #133729] Thu, 08 August 2013 18:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ilyas
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In-house PA guy was eerily similar though Smile
Re: mlu vs. audl [message #133755 is a reply to message #133729] Thu, 08 August 2013 18:21 Go to previous message
anakin gerics
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Can't wait for the merger!!!!!
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