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Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #132949] Mon, 22 July 2013 09:34 Go to next message
RichFranck
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Flood had a few players acting arrogant and rude during our quarterfinals matchup ... so I was happy to watch Medicine Men beat Flood 13-10 in the finals of the Richmond Open tournament (July 20-21).

I enjoyed playing with a brand new team (Pilot) from Winston-Salem/Greensboro, NC.

Observation: This was my first tournament in many years. The level of play of all the teams has increased significantly over the past 10 years. I did not see any "weak" teams, that would normally be present at a less than top-level tournament.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #132958 is a reply to message #132949] Mon, 22 July 2013 12:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thefan
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lots of folks in the Carolina/VA are reading this and wondering . . . "What in the hell do Floodwall players have to be arrogant about?"

those guys are a perennial doormat.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #132959 is a reply to message #132958] Mon, 22 July 2013 13:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
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is this "the" Rich Franck?

if so, we were just talking about you & the infamous Mexican waterpark yesterday.

Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #132961 is a reply to message #132958] Mon, 22 July 2013 13:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RichFranck
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One Floodwall defender went up and batted a floaty disc, then fell and rolled. While rolling on the ground he took out the legs of my nephew (playing his first tournament) who was about to catch the disc at head level as it floated down. The Floodwall defender immediately contested the foul call.

After the game, the Floodwall player offered no reason for the contested call. I can only assume he feels arrogant because he has learned how to foul a brand new player and then contest the foul call.

It wasn't the entire team, just some of the players. And I must admit that Floodwall has improved significantly over the years.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #132962 is a reply to message #132959] Mon, 22 July 2013 13:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RichFranck
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On Monday, July 22, 2013 4:15:02 PM UTC-4, Knappy wrote:
> is this "the" Rich Franck?
>
>
>
> if so, we were just talking about you & the infamous Mexican
>
> waterpark yesterday.


Yes ... Pie de la Cuesta!
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #132964 is a reply to message #132962] Mon, 22 July 2013 13:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RichFranck
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When in Mexico, never eat hamburgers ... it has happened to me TWICE!
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #132984 is a reply to message #132964] Tue, 23 July 2013 08:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thefan
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THE Rich Franck wrote:

"And I must admit that Floodwall has improved significantly over the years. "

they have quite a bit more improving to do before any of them get "arrogant."
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #132987 is a reply to message #132949] Tue, 23 July 2013 10:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
brian_gane
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For those of you that weren't there.....

As Boneyard was on their way to winning the FCS this year, we played Floodwall in the quarters. They were consistently bodying up, tripping, and generally being lame. They also accused us of being soft and afraid of competitive ultimate. At any rate we ended up kicking the shit out of them. I would agree that they have improved somewhat (mostly athletically as opposed to ultimate skill set). However they are still hella lame and have no reason to arrogant whatsoever.
BG
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #132988 is a reply to message #132949] Tue, 23 July 2013 10:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mozaic
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RichFranck wrote on Mon, 22 July 2013 12:34
Flood had a few players acting arrogant and rude during our quarterfinals matchup ... so I was happy to watch Medicine Men beat Flood 13-10 in the finals of the Richmond Open tournament (July 20-21).

I enjoyed playing with a brand new team (Pilot) from Winston-Salem/Greensboro, NC.

Observation: This was my first tournament in many years. The level of play of all the teams has increased significantly over the past 10 years. I did not see any "weak" teams, that would normally be present at a less than top-level tournament.



Stonewalled was interesting. 5 games on day 1. Game 5 was killer if you take a short roster.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133008 is a reply to message #132949] Tue, 23 July 2013 19:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thefan
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Let's say your masters team and you take a short roster. And one guy breaks his leg and another guy takes him to the hospital. 2 points into the first game.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133030 is a reply to message #132988] Wed, 24 July 2013 08:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RichFranck
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> Stonewalled was interesting. 5 games on day 1. Game 5 was
> killer if you take a short roster.

Pilot started with 10 players, plus I talked my nephew into playing (has never played before). In pool C we only had 3 games to 17. The 4th game (preQuarters) that started at 8pm came as an unwelcome surprise. Winning that last game put Pilot into Quarters (9am Sunday). Not much time to recover.

At the end injuries brought Pilot down to savage, and we forfeited the game for 5/6th. Not a bad performance for a new team.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133031 is a reply to message #133008] Wed, 24 July 2013 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RichFranck
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On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:35:03 PM UTC-4, thefan wrote:
> Let's say your masters team and you take a short roster. And
> one guy breaks his leg and another guy takes him to the
> hospital. 2 points into the first game.

FCS?
Who broke his leg?
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133034 is a reply to message #133031] Wed, 24 July 2013 10:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thefan
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Christian Plachco. one of those breaks you can diagnose from 40 yards away. it wasn't quite Kevin Ware-esque but it was stomach churning to stand there and try to talk to him while they drugged him and braced it.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133035 is a reply to message #133034] Wed, 24 July 2013 10:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rrudnic
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Not the same Floodwall of 4-5 years ago, this Floodwall was SWAG from Richmond, plus some of the remains of VA Squires (Richmond/C-ville) last season.

Without seeing the play in question I can only assume their assumption was that after D-ing the disc it was unplayable for your nephew and therefore not a foul.

I won't name the player largely responsible for their defensive style of play but he has been playing overly physical in a poor way for years so its not surprising.

The team does have some arrogant players, most of them college age who think they are amazing because they were carried to college nationals by some elite seniors previously or for no reason at all, but they have many very spirited players who are great to play with.

The odd schedule was largely due to trying to complete in time for Richmond Summer League the next day without conflict, also some weather concerns, and the odd number of teams, both 15 and then the 14 when one dropped are somewhat odd numbers to work with.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133074 is a reply to message #133035] Wed, 24 July 2013 20:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RichFranck
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On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 1:46:49 PM UTC-4, anonymous wrote:
> this Floodwall was SWAG from Richmond, plus some of the remains of VA Squires > (Richmond/C-ville) last season.

After all I have done for C'ville ultimate, I hope none of the snerts were from C'ville.


> Without seeing the play in question I can only assume their assumption
> was that after D-ing the disc it was unplayable for your nephew and
> therefore not a foul.


"Without seeing the play" being the key phrase ... the player who contested was rolling on the ground. It was obvious (to us who were not rolling on the ground) that the disc was playable.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133402 is a reply to message #132959] Wed, 31 July 2013 13:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RichFranck
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On Monday, July 22, 2013 4:15:02 PM UTC-4, Knappy wrote:

> is this "the" Rich Franck?
> if so, we were just talking about you & the infamous Mexican
> waterpark yesterday.

I am trying to remember someone named "Knappy" from Alcapulco ...
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133427 is a reply to message #132987] Thu, 01 August 2013 04:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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They were consistently
>
> bodying up, tripping, and generally being lame. They also
>
> accused us of being soft and afraid of competitive ultimate.
>
> At any rate we ended up kicking the shit out of them.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



----aaaahhhhh...that sounds sooooo very nice.
'kicking the shit out of them'

feel like i've heard that a time or two sitting back in the embroidery room.......
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133438 is a reply to message #133427] Thu, 01 August 2013 08:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
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Rich, Knappy here. I was part of the Philly contingent with my wife Sandy & friends Doc (aka DR.Pull), Trey Katzenbach & his wife LT, Kathi Jenkins. Hopefully, not missing anyone. Sandy & I lost the field finals to Trey's team on universe point, but we won the beach finals.

we were so young & beautiful back then.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133483 is a reply to message #133438] Thu, 01 August 2013 15:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RichFranck
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Ahhh, the memories! I think I have been to 3 of those tournaments. Every year I think about going back.

I do remember the Philly group that represented so well that year (both on and off the field).

Where's the party?


On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:00:04 PM UTC-4, Knappy wrote:
> Rich, Knappy here. I was part of the Philly contingent with
> my wife Sandy & friends Doc (aka DR.Pull), Trey Katzenbach &
> his wife LT, Kathi Jenkins. Hopefully, not missing anyone.
> Sandy & I lost the field finals to Trey's team on universe
> point, but we won the beach finals.
> we were so young & beautiful back then.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133504 is a reply to message #133483] Fri, 02 August 2013 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
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on the bus!
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133505 is a reply to message #133504] Fri, 02 August 2013 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mozaic
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Who's the DJ?
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133689 is a reply to message #133505] Wed, 07 August 2013 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
leon.lavaishe
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"... the player who contested was rolling on the ground. It was obvious (to us who were not rolling on the ground) that the disc was playable."

what if the defender had caught the disc?

and what have you done for cville? I've never heard your name before over here, guess it wasn't that much compared to the hundreds of other highly skilled modest individuals.

also, are you the guy that tried to join the huddle of the first team you were about to play to ask a nonsense question?

BG, i think everyone agrees that there is a disease in most master's teams that they are insufferable jackasses because you are just set in your ways and when anyone tries to push you out of y'alls comfort zone you get mean and bitchy and wish that these kids would just get off of your damn lawn already!
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133690 is a reply to message #133505] Wed, 07 August 2013 17:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
leon.lavaishe
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also, there are what, like 4 people on floodwall who had ever played on it before?
(the biggest current problem seems to be leadership which appeared to have torn them apart before)

and has anyone on floodwall ever been to any nationals? carried there by others or not?

most of those guys put their hearts onto the field everytime they step onto the line

Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133730 is a reply to message #132949] Thu, 08 August 2013 08:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thefan
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leon, you got your panties all in a wad and jumped in here asking a bunch of dipshit, smart ass questions that reveal what a nincompoop you are.

if the defender had caught the disc then the receiver wouldn't have had a play on a floating disc now would he?

if you're from the VA area and you ain't not never heard of Rich Franck, then son, you best get out and talk to some of the players in the area and learn your history.

Leon, if the problem with Flood is that they lack leadership and experience, then they would probably be best served by no longer acting like a bunch of jackasses. learn something about ultimate instead of getting on here spouting your nonsense about something you know absolutely nothing about because this is two instances early in the season where your team is being called out for acting a fool on the field in losses.

by the way, me and BG, we got a long history of stomping all over Richmond teams. long history. I had to think on it a bit though because I had forgotten how many times we had mopped the floor with them chumps.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133732 is a reply to message #133730] Thu, 08 August 2013 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bobus
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Sucks to be on the receiving end of Jimmy putting the smack down... been there done that!
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133737 is a reply to message #133732] Thu, 08 August 2013 11:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
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http://cvilleultimate.wordpress.com/about/

"Blue Ridge Ultimate (BRU), a Charlottesville-based co-ed team, helped put Charlottesville on the Ultimate Frisbee map. In their first year in existence, 2001, they placed 2nd at nationals. In 2002, they placed 4th at worlds and 7th at nationals. After BRU's successful first season, they devoted their efforts to bettering Ultimate in the community. This, along with a lot of hard work from Rich Franck, sparked Charlottesville's first winter league in 2001-2002 consisting of 6 teams."



Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133742 is a reply to message #133737] Thu, 08 August 2013 13:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacksontp
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As a current floodwall player it's really disappointing to see that you all have already passed judgement on us based off of only a few people having complaints. Not only have some of you passed judgement on us already, but not a single one of you have heard our side of the story. When did it become that the person who posts first is automatically correct? I've lost some respect for a few of you. I have no idea why we would be viewed as cocky. I honestly can't think of any examples of cockiness and I have yet to see an example given. The play where the floodwall defender was on the ground and maybe tripped the opposing player was just another controversial call that we all have been a part of. It happens. It doesn't make us bad people which you seem to make us out to be. The claims that we are arrogant are baffling as well. I would honestly let it go if I saw it but I don't. No examples were given either yet because one person said we were arrogant all of a sudden it is true. It doesn't make sense to me. I am just respectfully giving my opinion.

-Tim Jackson.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133753 is a reply to message #133737] Thu, 08 August 2013 18:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jt
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On Thursday, August 8, 2013 6:22:18 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
> As a current floodwall player it's really disappointing to
> see that you all have already passed judgement on us based
> off of only a few people having complaints. Not only have
> some of you passed judgement on us already, but not a single
> one of you have heard our side of the story. When did it
> become that the person who posts first is automatically
> correct? I've lost some respect for a few of you. I have no
> idea why we would be viewed as cocky. I honestly can't think
> of any examples of cockiness and I have yet to see an
> example given. The play where the floodwall defender was on
> the ground and maybe tripped the opposing player was just
> another controversial call that we all have been a part of.
> It happens. It doesn't make us bad people which you seem to
> make us out to be. The claims that we are arrogant are
> baffling as well. I would honestly let it go if I saw it but
> I don't. No examples were given either yet because one
> person said we were arrogant all of a sudden it is true. It
> doesn't make sense to me. I am just respectfully giving my
> opinion.
>
> -Tim Jackson.

Tim,
Although BG did not point out individual plays, I think he pretty much sums it up on why he thought you guys were cocky.

"As Boneyard was on their way to winning the FCS this year,
we played Floodwall in the quarters. They were consistently
bodying up, tripping, and generally being lame. They also
accused us of being soft and afraid of competitive ultimate."

If I was ever accused of being "soft and afraid", I would take some serious issue with it and try and destroy the opposing team which it sounds like they did.

Good luck in the future.
JT
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133756 is a reply to message #133753] Thu, 08 August 2013 18:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacksontp
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He gave a few very general reasons. 1. We were bodying up. I HIGHLY doubt we were the first team to EVER play this kind of defense against them. Since when did bodying up make you cocky? 2. Tripping. That's either a huge exaggeration or a straight lie. 3. That we are just generally lame. Um okay? I guess we're just generally lame?

I find it hardly possible that Floodwall was just super arrogant and cocky and completely in the wrong in all of these scenarios. Boneyard was definitely not a group of angels that day by any means. When people get on the internet they exaggerate things to prove their point and anyone who just believes the first thing they read without hearing both sides of a story is very incompetent.

Good luck to you in the future as well JT
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133781 is a reply to message #133756] Fri, 09 August 2013 06:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thefan
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JT, you wanna body up, body up. Boneyard had several discussions in our huddles about your play that day. we talked about how you were trying to "body up" and how it had obviously been a point of discussion on your team to play physically and body up but from where we were, it just looked like you weren't athletic enough, or couldn't get in position to pull it off. I don't remembered being tripped but I do remember a few of our guys talking about it. I do specifically remember being grabbed by the arm and attempts to hook me around the midsection while cutting. I do remember my teammate having words with your team about it and the accusation that he was, or we were, afraid to play competitive ultimate. apparently this is just more of the history that you need to catch up on because none of the players on Boneyard, especially that particular player, have ever been the type to shy away from a little physical play or competitive ultimate.

no boneyard players got on here and talked about you being cocky. that was another team who experienced a controversial play (yes, it happens to all of us) coupled with cocky behavior and poor handling of the play in question. I simply asked why your team would be cocky since you've been a perennial doormat in the region. and BG concurred that we had a similar negative experience playing your team. couple that with a post from your teammate blasting the original poster, apparently without either reading or understanding the original post, calling out all masters players as being "diseased", "insufferable jackasses" and "whiny and bitchy" and you've got yourself a great way to build a bad rep.

you can spin it any way you want it. use it for fuel. put it behind you. whatever you like. but if you look through the history of threads here on RSD, you won't find many instances at all of posters calling out a team for bad behavior. chances are, if you're being publicly called out for "general lameness" and not some crazy egregious act, ie the GA player spiking a disc on an opponent a couple years back, then it's something that happens on a fairly regular basis and you may want to look into it.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133794 is a reply to message #133781] Fri, 09 August 2013 08:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jt
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On Friday, August 9, 2013 9:43:03 AM UTC-4, thefan wrote:
> JT, you wanna body up, body up.

Uhm Jimmy, you know I can deal with physical ultimate. Think you meant that dude Tim, right?

JT
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133796 is a reply to message #133794] Fri, 09 August 2013 09:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thefan
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yes, I did. misread on my part.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133807 is a reply to message #133796] Fri, 09 August 2013 17:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacksontp
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That other person defending us doesn't even play for us. that's not my teammate. They used the words "those guys" excluding themselves meaning they don't play for Floodwall. But I respect your opinion I just don't think you can pass judgment on a bunch of guys you don't know based off of one game against us and having a bad experience with a few of the players on our team. I know how we are and id admit it if we were honestly arrogant. I don't believe this to be true. The complaint about our play tripping someone's newphew is comical. I remember the play and it was one of those plays where foul/contest is just gonna happen. The boneyard game was just an unspirited game and our actions are being exaggerated and blown out of proportion as if Boneyard was completely devoid of any wrongdoing and we were just being dicks for no reason. Yea... But i've said what I have to say and hopefully in the future you all get a better experience playing against us.


-Tim Jackson
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133866 is a reply to message #132949] Sat, 10 August 2013 19:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thefan
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get your head out of your ass.

i ain't never had a problem playing you guys. i win. you bitch. makes me enjoy the win even more.

Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133868 is a reply to message #133866] Sat, 10 August 2013 22:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacksontp
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Haha real mature. Classy.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133869 is a reply to message #133866] Sat, 10 August 2013 22:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacksontp
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Obviously with that statement you aren't capable of having a civil and respectful arguement so im done. Your character is shown.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133901 is a reply to message #133869] Mon, 12 August 2013 08:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thefan
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dude, I can't have a respectful argument with a little know nothing ding dong who can't keep his facts straight.

you get on here and spout off about Rich Franck being a nobody and you want to call me disrespectful?

re read the thread, own up to your own confusion about the TWO games in question, reply without acting like a high school dipshit in need of conversation skills and maybe we start the conversation again.

but first, try to think about it from my angle. I play for a team that has been to two national title games in a row and is on it's way to worlds in a year. my team hasn't been called out for acting like arrogant, cocky dipshits ever. ever. I have mopped the floor with your team since it's inception on every team I've ever been that's been given the opportunity.

I have absolutely no vested interest in anything your team does or anything you or your teammates say. I think about Floodwall and Richmond ultimate for about 3 or 4 minutes before a game against your team, for as long as it takes to register the win, and then I move on to something else. Richmond ultimate in general probably takes up about a millionth of a percent of my thinking time and they have to be staring me in the face to earn that.

put that in your pipe and smoke on it for a bit and decide whether or not you really want to go down that road.

Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133902 is a reply to message #133901] Mon, 12 August 2013 08:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacksontp
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Please show me which message I said RichFrank was a nobody. Good luck.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133903 is a reply to message #133901] Mon, 12 August 2013 08:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jacksontp
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I nevwr said one disrespectful thing about you guys yet you called me a bitch and are still calling me names. How is that respectful? Show me one disrespectful thing I said about you or RichFrank. You won't find it.
Re: Stonewalled - Medicine Men over Flood [message #133904 is a reply to message #133902] Mon, 12 August 2013 08:44 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
jacksontp
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This whole time i've been trying to just prove my point respectfully without name calling or degrading you. Not one message i've sent has been malicious towarda you yet you continually keep degrading me and called me a bitch. Why?
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