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ESPN coverage [message #131345] Sun, 26 May 2013 10:29 Go to next message
ckerr4
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Who's doing the commentary? So far (about 25 minutes) they are doing a very good job.

Great-looking field too. Nice to see it is not being played on a football field.
Re: ESPN coverage [message #131347 is a reply to message #131345] Sun, 26 May 2013 11:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This is excellent; professional and quality. Should only get better as the announcers get used to the games
Re: ESPN coverage [message #131348 is a reply to message #131345] Sun, 26 May 2013 13:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dave Zarkowsky
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Play by play by Mike Couzens. Former USAU member and Wake Forest University Ultimate captain ('03 - '07) gone-career-professional-sports-broadcaster Evan Lepler on color commentary. There could not be anymore in the ultimate community more qualified and excited about being the voice of Ultimate on ESPN than Evan.
Re: ESPN coverage [message #131349 is a reply to message #131347] Sun, 26 May 2013 13:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dave Zarkowsky
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Play by play by Mike Couzens. Former USAU member and Wake Forest University Ultimate captain ('03 - '07) gone-career-professional-sports-broadcaster Evan Lepler on color commentary. There could not be anyone in the ultimate community more qualified and excited about being the voice of Ultimate on ESPN than Evan.
Re: ESPN coverage [message #131379 is a reply to message #131345] Mon, 27 May 2013 06:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ckerr4
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The first day of ESPN coverage has been excellent, but really how much has it been than the NGN coverage?

If on a scale of 1-10 NGN is a 5, what's the ESPN coverage? Maybe a 6 or 7? Which in my mind is more a reflection of how good the NGN coverage is more than anything.
Re: ESPN coverage [message #131380 is a reply to message #131379] Mon, 27 May 2013 06:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SeanMcComb
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I wasnt able to catch the stream live. When I got home, the replay was already available for immediate viewing--this is rarely the case with NGN, so that was one important difference for me. Was the ESPN stream dropped at all? Consistency is another room for improvement for NGN.
Re: ESPN coverage [message #131382 is a reply to message #131380] Mon, 27 May 2013 07:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ultimatecutter
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I'd say an 8 or 9. Thought it was top notch. The replays were integrated much more smoothly, the graphics looked great, and the camera work was excellent -- basically didn't miss anything. My stream was high quality throughout and never dropped. Far and away the best streaming broadcast of ultimate I've seen.
Re: ESPN coverage [message #131390 is a reply to message #131382] Mon, 27 May 2013 09:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ckerr4
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The consistency and reliability of the digital stream etc, probably is a pure $ issue and has to go to ESPN. NGN can't compete in that area.

My complaints with the ESPN coverage super minor so far:

1. With more prep, I'd love to see some interviews with top players, Callahan candidates, and coaches and maybe less of USAU guys.

2. Some simple graphics showing basic tactics and terminology would help both experienced ultimate players and new viewers.

3. More background discussion on coaches, teams, etc.

4. Several times instant replays have prevented us from watching live scores or turns. Almost need something like corner kicks in soccer where the broadcasters know there's going to be 30 seconds of setup where they can replay events. Otherwise, just about all replays will have to wait for between points and timeouts.

I'm fine with basketball being the default analogy, but discussions of a "fade away hammer" need to include a mention that this would be a "fade away travel" as well.

Charles

Re: ESPN coverage [message #131405 is a reply to message #131345] Mon, 27 May 2013 18:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jbrose
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Best live coverage of ultimate...ever. Commentators were best I have ever heard by far.
Re: ESPN coverage [message #131410 is a reply to message #131390] Mon, 27 May 2013 19:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ckerr4
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ESPN video / audio trucks:

http://ultiworld.com/2013/05/27/espns-production-of-ultimate -behind-the-scenes/

Holy shit.

How does NGN get even close?

Charles
Re: ESPN coverage [message #131411 is a reply to message #131410] Mon, 27 May 2013 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
justheretoirritateyou
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The good:

-I think this shows that USAU actually is moving in a direction that can showcase high-level ultimate to a mass audience--which has often been a criticism of the organization. This is an important partnership--hopefully ESPN doesn't end up abusing it in some way.
-This is now the standard for which production quality is going to be judged for ultimate. Their resources are so much greater than anyone else's handheld cameras.
-The commentators were clear and had something useful to say for almost everything.

The bad:

-The commentators aren't immersed in the current college ultimate scene, and it's apparent that they haven't played at the highest level. I say that because they really get fixated on one storyline (UCF is tall, Tyler is good) while ignoring some other keys to teams' success (Alex Thorne is a top-5 Callahan contender as well, Pitt's pipeline of YCC/Oakland experience, balanced and tenacious attack of UCF's roster).
-WRT playing at the highest level, the best ultimate minds for club teams see plays developing, not just as they happen, and recognize that winning is not one team out-athleting each other, but a concerted effort to create a certain play style from yourself or opponent.
-The replays were fantastic, but often poorly timed. I think the production crews had difficulty understanding how quickly transition offenses can occur.

The ugly:

-Physics.

To improve:

-It would be great to prepare better notes on teams, so that they aren't rehashing the same storylines every time. Have 8-10 of those per game, and use them appropriately. I think that's a case in which Bryan Jones would be useful as a color guy.
-They could stand to zoom out a little bit. I would really like to see what is happening downfield instead of just the tail end of in-cuts.
-Tom Crawford, don't say "fully baked."
Re: ESPN coverage [message #131423 is a reply to message #131411] Tue, 28 May 2013 04:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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Pitt's pipeline of
> YCC/Oakland experience,
~~~~~~~


---pardon me for not knowing.....
are YYC and Oakland local Pitt Club Teams for whom the college guys
strive to play for/with during the Fall Season?

and next question....
is it important to have a LOCAL CLUB team for college kids to play on
during the fall?
i have my answer....what's YOUR'S?
Re: ESPN coverage [message #131424 is a reply to message #131423] Tue, 28 May 2013 05:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
brody
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YCC = USA Ultimate Youth Club Championships. Mostly high school players.

Oakland - USA Ultimate club team that exposes players to the highest parts of the game
Re: ESPN coverage [message #131431 is a reply to message #131424] Tue, 28 May 2013 08:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
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"I'd say an 8 or 9. Thought it was top notch. The replays were integrated much more smoothly, the graphics looked great, and the camera work was excellent -- basically didn't miss anything. My stream was high quality throughout and never dropped. Far and away the best streaming broadcast of ultimate I've seen."

well said & agreed. Considering first time effort by ESPN, I would say this was a 9. I thought commentators were excellent.
Re: ESPN coverage [message #131437 is a reply to message #131431] Tue, 28 May 2013 12:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aki
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I agree with @justheretoirritateyou overall, solid coverage from ESPN with room for improvement.

My biggest beef with the ESPN commentary was that oftentimes the comments seemed repetitive, superficial, and basic. I understand that they were trying to keep the content simple for new frisbee watchers, but I thought it was TOO basic. I was also disappointed that some of the most amazing plays in the finals were UNDERcommentated: for example Ashley Yong's huge layout D that turned the game around in Oregon's favor was not even instant replayed! During the women's final there was one point where the commentators stopped speaking for about 30 seconds and it was very awkward.

Ultiworld's Live Stream coverage of games on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday was the most amazing commentary I have watched for Ultimate. The Ultiworld team did an amazing job of combining interesting complex analyses, histories, play-by-plays, and basic descriptions so that a new viewer or seasoned player could be entertained. I was truly impressed, much more impressed than I was with the subsequent ESPN coverage (and ESPN had good coverage!). I almost wanted to turn off the ESPN coverage because I was spoiled by how stellar Charlie Eisenhood, Michael Aguilar, and Keith Raynor's coverage had been. They really did their research: there was never an awkward moment of silence and every time they spoke it was a new comment and additive knowledge.

I think it's a GREAT start for ESPN's coverage for Ultimate, but I would highly recommend the ESPN to either watch and learn from Ultiworld's commentators, or hire the Ultiworld Team!
Re: ESPN coverage [message #131482 is a reply to message #131437] Wed, 29 May 2013 16:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
T H
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Aki wrote on Tue, 28 May 2013 15:16
I agree with @justheretoirritateyou overall, solid coverage from ESPN with room for improvement.

My biggest beef with the ESPN commentary was that oftentimes the comments seemed repetitive, superficial, and basic. I understand that they were trying to keep the content simple for new frisbee watchers, but I thought it was TOO basic. I was also disappointed that some of the most amazing plays in the finals were UNDERcommentated: for example Ashley Yong's huge layout D that turned the game around in Oregon's favor was not even instant replayed! During the women's final there was one point where the commentators stopped speaking for about 30 seconds and it was very awkward.

Ultiworld's Live Stream coverage of games on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday was the most amazing commentary I have watched for Ultimate. The Ultiworld team did an amazing job of combining interesting complex analyses, histories, play-by-plays, and basic descriptions so that a new viewer or seasoned player could be entertained. I was truly impressed, much more impressed than I was with the subsequent ESPN coverage (and ESPN had good coverage!). I almost wanted to turn off the ESPN coverage because I was spoiled by how stellar Charlie Eisenhood, Michael Aguilar, and Keith Raynor's coverage had been. They really did their research: there was never an awkward moment of silence and every time they spoke it was a new comment and additive knowledge.

I think it's a GREAT start for ESPN's coverage for Ultimate, but I would highly recommend the ESPN to either watch and learn from Ultiworld's commentators, or hire the Ultiworld Team!


Those three commentators could've applied for the job of commentating the semis and finals, it was an open application. Perhaps they did? Or maybe they didn't...but they definitely had a chance to if they wanted.
Re: ESPN coverage [message #131510 is a reply to message #131482] Thu, 30 May 2013 07:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ceisenhood
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I applied Smile
Re: ESPN coverage [message #131513 is a reply to message #131510] Thu, 30 May 2013 08:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JoeMama
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Is it possible that they didn't get hired because they lacked the more formal broadcasting experience that the other guys had? Either way, I hope that ESPN takes a look at Ultiworld's coverage. Although ESPN was far superior, this was only because they have more resources - they could still learn a lot from ultiworld and even NexGen.
Re: ESPN coverage [message #131514 is a reply to message #131482] Thu, 30 May 2013 08:48 Go to previous message
Bulb
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I didn't watch any of the games live, but I did watch the recaps for all 4 semi's and both finals. I give them all about a B. Two main criticisms:
1. Replays should have score overlay. Would also be nice to see player names (either quickly between highlights or in small letters during a clip), rather than just hear them.
2. Highlights were mostly just talked over, with comments more focused on either team strategy or how dominant one single player was, rather than describing or analyzing specific plays. Even when there were comments about specific plays, they rarely synced up with the relevant clip. It would be great to watch a play develop, freeze-frame and highlight relevant players, and then resume play (just like they have been doing on Sportscenter for years).

The commentators did seem more knowledgeable than I expected, so I readily believe the comments about how good the quality of live coverage was. If anything, they should have different commentators (with more Ultimate experience, less emphasis on live commentating experience) give the recaps. After all, they can do multiple takes...
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