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USAU pettiness [message #131324] Sat, 25 May 2013 14:43 Go to next message
Anakin Dorkics
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Registered: May 2013
Junior Member
At college nationals, in the program guide, there's a little blurb in the daily directing athletes and their families to something interesting after the action at the fields concludes. It reads:

Quote:
After the action concludes at Reddan, head down to the World's Largest Brat Fest, an annual tradition in Madison. Enjoy some great brats, hot dogs and veggie brats, and if you have a few extra bucks, you can get a beverage, local ice cream or a funnel cake. Proceeds go to local charities! To get to the Brat Fest take the Beltline (Highway 12/18) east and exit at John Nolan Drive. You can't miss it.


So on Friday night, when a great AUDL game between Madison and Minnesota was being played in a very cool stadium downtown, USA Ultimate, the presumed governing body for the sport in the country and an organization charged with helping to grow the sport and expose new eyeballs to it, decided to publicize a fat-ass Sconny sausage fest (literally, a sausage fest).

I spotted some of the USAU honchos surveying the fields on Friday. Wow, they're a grim lot. With their walkie-talkies and official-looking lanyards, they crossed their arms and were likely proud of the collection of fields full of athletes in front of them. Nowhere to be found, however, were basic sporting essentials such as electronic scoreboards, bleachers (save for the so-called showcase field) or even an indication of which teams were playing on those fields. Casual fans have no idea who Mamabird is. Why is college nationals essentially the same in terms of organization and ammenities as any other big tournament (if not falling behind)?

I know the politics of ultimate is discussed ad nauseum on this board, and it's done mostly by lifer disc heads with little or no grasp on how a fan might encounter the game. But I can tell you that the AUDL has, in a very short time, overcome many of the obstacles the USAU is creating for itself every day. But apparently the USAU can't admit to themselves that they're literally not the only game in town. Wouldn't want to let college players know that there's an elite game happening... they might end up going! And enjoying it! And buying merchandise! Or worse... they might want to start teams of their own and help grow a league that doesn't rely on the players paying for every damn thing themselves! And wouldn't that be a tragedy?
Re: USAU pettiness [message #131326 is a reply to message #131324] Sat, 25 May 2013 17:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Reggie Fanelli
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Registered: September 2011
Senior Member
USA Ultimate, the presumed governing body for the
> sport in the country and an organization charged with
> helping to grow the sport and expose new eyeballs to it,
> decided to publicize a fat-ass Sconny sausage fest
instead of a professional ultimate game....



----they're "A" governing body. NOT "the" governing body.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> (literally, a sausage fest).


---they're 'in' to that.
~~~~~~~~~~
> I spotted some of the USAU honchos surveying the fields on
> Friday. Wow, they're a grim lot. With their walkie-talkies
> and official-looking lanyards, they crossed their arms and
> were likely proud of the collection of fields full of
> athletes in front of them.


---oh my god.......i can see them perfectly!
it's like you've painted a picture.

HEY....i recognize those goofs!
~~~~~~~~~~
Casual fans have no idea who Mamabird is.


---what...are they not using the school names on the scoreboards or
something?

the first few seasons that the UOA was around.....we had the actual
school logo for each team who competed at our events ON THE TROPHIES.
they were sweet.....ask around.
~~~~~~~~~~
Why
> is college nationals essentially the same in terms of
> organization and ammenities as any other big tournament (if
> not falling behind)?


---because they know how to host a 'tournament'.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> But I can tell you that the AUDL has, in a very short time,
> overcome many of the obstacles the USAU is creating for
> itself every day.


---so too did the UOA.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
But apparently the USAU can't admit to
> themselves that they're literally not the only game in town.


---well...people keep making the same mistake over and
over.....calling them "THE" governing body.
if they don't know it...others will.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Wouldn't want to let college players know that there's an
> elite game happening... they might end up going! And
> enjoying it! And buying merchandise! Or worse... they might
> want to start teams of their own and help grow a league that
> doesn't rely on the players paying for every damn thing
> themselves! And wouldn't that be a tragedy?
> --


---one day...those college players might actually want to PLAY in
another association!!!
that would hurt the upsa....possibly a few less due checks....

they are pretty lame to not highlight an area professional game to the
kids.....
lame.
lame.
lame.

those folks you described above.....they simply
aren't.....very.....cool.
Re: USAU pettiness [message #131335 is a reply to message #131324] Sun, 26 May 2013 07:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
madisonplayer85
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Registered: May 2013
Junior Member
At least the USUA knows how to provide quality playing surfaces for the teams. From what I can see, they seem to be trying to compete with ice hockey for slippery conditions.
Re: USAU pettiness [message #131336 is a reply to message #131326] Sun, 26 May 2013 08:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anakin Dorkics
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Registered: May 2013
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What's the UOA?
Re: USAU pettiness [message #131392 is a reply to message #131336] Mon, 27 May 2013 10:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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Registered: November 2009
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On May 26, 12:20 pm, Anakin Jacobs <anchorjak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What's the UOA?
~~~~~~~~~

--right!
nice try.
Re: USAU pettiness [message #131476 is a reply to message #131324] Wed, 29 May 2013 13:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
briantboat
Messages: 61
Registered: October 2010
Member
Anakin Dorkics wrote on Sat, 25 May 2013 14:43
At college nationals, in the program guide, there's a little blurb in the daily directing athletes and their families to something interesting after the action at the fields concludes. It reads:

Quote:
After the action concludes at Reddan, head down to the World's Largest Brat Fest, an annual tradition in Madison. Enjoy some great brats, hot dogs and veggie brats, and if you have a few extra bucks, you can get a beverage, local ice cream or a funnel cake. Proceeds go to local charities! To get to the Brat Fest take the Beltline (Highway 12/18) east and exit at John Nolan Drive. You can't miss it.


So on Friday night, when a great AUDL game between Madison and Minnesota was being played in a very cool stadium downtown, USA Ultimate, the presumed governing body for the sport in the country and an organization charged with helping to grow the sport and expose new eyeballs to it, decided to publicize a fat-ass Sconny sausage fest (literally, a sausage fest).

Perhaps USAU and Bratfest had a formal agreement to market each others' event to their respective participants. Bratfest looks like a huge deal so any co-op marketing agreement would have been a wise decision.

I spotted some of the USAU honchos surveying the fields on Friday. Wow, they're a grim lot. With their walkie-talkies and official-looking lanyards, they crossed their arms and were likely proud of the collection of fields full of athletes in front of them. Nowhere to be found, however, were basic sporting essentials such as electronic scoreboards, bleachers (save for the so-called showcase field) or even an indication of which teams were playing on those fields. Casual fans have no idea who Mamabird is. Why is college nationals essentially the same in terms of organization and ammenities as any other big tournament (if not falling behind)?

The nerve of event staff using walkie talkies to communicate and wearing lanyards with credentials as if it was a normal sporting event... Seriously, where do they get the nerve?! And standing with their arms crossed?! WTF, their arms really should be at their sides, or in their pockets when standing and looking at something... And yes, they should add electronic scoreboards and bleachers, which would likely increase the players' costs since those are significantly expensive. I thought you didn't like the fact that players have to pay for stuff?

I know the politics of ultimate is discussed ad nauseum on this board, and it's done mostly by lifer disc heads with little or no grasp on how a fan might encounter the game. But I can tell you that the AUDL has, in a very short time, overcome many of the obstacles the USAU is creating for itself every day. But apparently the USAU can't admit to themselves that they're literally not the only game in town. Wouldn't want to let college players know that there's an elite game happening... they might end up going! And enjoying it! And buying merchandise! Or worse... they might want to start teams of their own and help grow a league that doesn't rely on the players paying for every damn thing themselves! And wouldn't that be a tragedy?


And I'm sure college players playing in the biggest event of their lives up to this point - the national championships - would really like to go out on a Friday night for a night game when they have to get up and play an 8:30am game the next morning. USAU could have marketed the AUDL game to the players all they wanted, but no responsible player at the tournament would have attended if they were serious about their performance at nationals.


Re: USAU pettiness [message #131478 is a reply to message #131476] Wed, 29 May 2013 13:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
andyball07
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Registered: November 2009
Member
Nothing like playing a day of highly competitive ultimate to go watch a game of subpar, offense-only "ultimate". Also, you seem to forget that USAU was hosting a 40-team event, not a 2 team event. Not sure where you think the electronic scoreboards and bleachers are going to come for a 12 field complex. You also must have missed the scoreboards on the player sidelines with the names of each team on them. In short, quit complaining and go watch your semi-pro league if you like it better while the rest of us enjoy the sport at its best.
Re: USAU pettiness [message #131490 is a reply to message #131478] Wed, 29 May 2013 21:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
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Registered: September 2008
Location: San Francisco
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On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:37:03 PM UTC-7, Andy Ball wrote:
> Nothing like playing a day of highly competitive ultimate to
>
> go watch a game of subpar, offense-only "ultimate". Also,
>
> you seem to forget that USAU was hosting a 40-team event,
>
> not a 2 team event. Not sure where you think the electronic
>
> scoreboards and bleachers are going to come for a 12 field
>
> complex. You also must have missed the scoreboards on the
>
> player sidelines with the names of each team on them. In
>
> short, quit complaining and go watch your semi-pro league if
>
> you like it better while the rest of us enjoy the sport at
>
> its best.
>
> --
>
> Posted from http://www.rsdnospam.com

It's a waste of time asking the king of pettiness to quit complaining. That is how he (and his very few supporters) live their lives... complaining about the USAU. It's all they know.
Re: USAU pettiness [message #131500 is a reply to message #131490] Thu, 30 May 2013 04:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
Messages: 1362
Registered: November 2009
Senior Member
On May 30, 12:37 am, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:37:03 PM UTC-7, Andy Ball wrote:
> > Nothing like playing a day of highly competitive ultimate to
>
> > go watch a game of subpar, offense-only "ultimate".  Also,
>
> > you seem to forget that USAU was hosting a 40-team event,
>
> > not a 2 team event.  Not sure where you think the electronic
>
> > scoreboards and bleachers are going to come for a 12 field
>
> > complex.  You also must have missed the scoreboards on the
>
> > player sidelines with the names of each team on them.  In
>
> > short, quit complaining and go watch your semi-pro league if
>
> > you like it better while the rest of us enjoy the sport at
>
> > its best.
>
> > --
>
> > Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
>
> It's a waste of time asking the king of pettiness to quit complaining. That is how he (and his very few supporters) live their lives... complaining about the USAU. It's all they know.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---Andy Ball is the King of Pettiness? or are you calling "anakin
jacobs" the king of petiness?
because...."anakin jacobs" has only posted 2 or 3 times ever to
rsd.....
wow..."anakin jacobs" must have struck a chord with you, jim siedler!
one or two posts.....and they're the King of Pettiness.
hey...you're still runner up....only your pettiness is in favor of the
upa's pettiness.
Re: USAU pettiness [message #131508 is a reply to message #131324] Thu, 30 May 2013 07:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
azoppi
Messages: 10
Registered: January 2012
Junior Member
While I do agree with the fact that USAU events are still the events where you see Ultimate at its finest, I also see the point about them being petty with the AUDL across town and no message about it. If they really are promoting the sport as part of their mission, then they should, at the least, acknowledge the existance of it.

I agree that no player serious about nationals would spend time watching the AUDL event, but what about spectators? They are their to see ultimate which means they are interested enough and they need something to do. Point being, it wouldn't hurt the sport to cross promote. Even if no one went, and I doubt the mention of it would lead to zero admissions, but even if it did so what?

You have to wonder how much ANY of the organizations prioritzes promoting the sport when none of them reognize each other. Obviously it is not the top priority, profit is. Understandably so for the organizations to survive. But how far down the list of priorities is promoting the sport? Is it second priority, the tenth? Makes you wonder.
Re: USAU pettiness [message #131520 is a reply to message #131476] Thu, 30 May 2013 10:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jed
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Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
briantboat wrote on Wed, 29 May 2013 16:11
... no responsible player at the tournament would have attended if they were serious about their performance at nationals.


This is bang on. Any serious and dedicated player knows the only way to recover, focus, and prepare for the next day involves sausages, funnel cakes and beer.
Re: USAU pettiness [message #131525 is a reply to message #131520] Thu, 30 May 2013 12:03 Go to previous message
anakin gerics
Messages: 1362
Registered: November 2009
Senior Member
> > ... no responsible player at the tournament would have
> > attended if they were serious about their performance at
> > nationals.
>
> This is bang on. Any serious and dedicated player knows the
> only way to recover, focus, and prepare for the next day
> involves sausages, funnel cakes and beer.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


---ok....no bad assed hardcore foaming at the mouth rough and tumble
ready to win nationals athlete would consider going somewhere and
sitting for a couple hours watching something.

HOWEVER....if the upsa had plugged a PRO ULTIMATE event nearby.....is
it possible that maybe a friend of a player might consider going to
watch?
maybe some PARENTS of a student athlete might decide to go take in a
pro game.
maybe there were some fans there to watch the college championships
who would consider taking in another game....a pro game.

certainly...the only people who read the program aren't JUST hard core
athletes who need to rest every night for their games the next
day....right?
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