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spiking the disc [message #130218] Thu, 02 May 2013 07:17 Go to next message
Lance Marput
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Just watched some AUDL footage and this came to mind....

In baseball....what is the equivalent of spiking a disc ?

Peter McCarthy
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Columbia Mo.

"Archiving disc sports since 1997"
Re: spiking the disc [message #130219 is a reply to message #130218] Thu, 02 May 2013 07:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EuhNGroups
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Lance Marput wrote on Thu, 02 May 2013 07:17
Just watched some AUDL footage and this came to mind....

In baseball....what is the equivalent of spiking a disc ?

Peter McCarthy
Midwest Disc Sports Collection
Columbia Mo.

"Archiving disc sports since 1997"


Contemplating your homerun instead of going to 1st base right away ?

Throwing the ball into the stands after a nice catch ?

Re: spiking the disc [message #130221 is a reply to message #130218] Thu, 02 May 2013 07:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
keg
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I would say bat flip and/or posing after home runs for hitter and fist pumps after strikeouts for pitchers.

- keg
Re: spiking the disc [message #130246 is a reply to message #130221] Thu, 02 May 2013 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Binky
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW-0viHBEHU
Re: spiking the disc [message #130250 is a reply to message #130246] Thu, 02 May 2013 18:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
korians1
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Binky wrote on Thu, 02 May 2013 19:07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW-0viHBEHU

Nailed it
Re: spiking the disc [message #130298 is a reply to message #130219] Fri, 03 May 2013 12:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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On May 2, 10:30 am, Euh <EuhNGro...@hotmail.ca> wrote:
~~~~~~~~

---hey, your list of awesome hall of fame premier cool as hell
athletes included a hall of fame baseball player right?
what was the meaning of that list?
you seem to accidentally forget to reply about that.....
Re: spiking the disc [message #130304 is a reply to message #130298] Fri, 03 May 2013 15:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
IronyPolice
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzlyepWWVrA

and when you spike it after the observer calls you "not in": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f15IRV-uRjs
Re: spiking the disc [message #130306 is a reply to message #130304] Fri, 03 May 2013 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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I guess I'm asking about examples of baseball players celebrating a play by damaging equipment.

For example .....After a homerun hit is it acceptable for a batter to attempt to break his bat on a nearby railing?

Or chew the hide off the ball after a nice outfield layout catch ?

Peter Mc
Re: spiking the disc [message #130307 is a reply to message #130218] Fri, 03 May 2013 16:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ziapet
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Bo Jackson, breaking bats after he struck out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sepi4pH2_SQ

Tuukka Rask going batshit crazy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUVGz0MVyKI

I'm not condoning breaking bats or hockey sticks, but it sure is funny to watch.
Re: spiking the disc [message #130360 is a reply to message #130218] Sat, 04 May 2013 09:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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Ziapet...

Those guys aren't celebrating....just the opposite.

Peter
Re: spiking the disc [message #130364 is a reply to message #130360] Sat, 04 May 2013 10:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EuhNGroups
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Lance Marput wrote on Sat, 04 May 2013 09:02
Ziapet...

Those guys aren't celebrating....just the opposite.

Peter



Anyway, Baseball is dull.
Re: spiking the disc [message #130368 is a reply to message #130364] Sat, 04 May 2013 12:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
T H
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Not sports, but entertainment, guitarists smashing their guitars?

Re: spiking the disc [message #130504 is a reply to message #130368] Mon, 06 May 2013 19:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
southwestultimate
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The only real equivalent in any sport is a football player spiking the ball, although that doesn't hurt the ball, or maybe Shaq breaking rims. Imagine a Nascar driver intentionally ramming his car into the wall after winning the race, a football or basketball player letting the air out of the ball after scoring, or a catcher throwing a fast ball into a brick wall behind home plate after every strikeout.
Unfortunately, now spiking the disc is even celebrated in Callahan videos, even to the extent of the Freechild video having a montage of spikes. Great examples for youth players, but its MLU ruining the game somehow. The College Division has been leading the charge in terms of disregarding spirit for at least the last 15 years, so this isn't really a shock. And to be clear, I am not blaming the players, they are just playing the way they have been taught.
Re: spiking the disc [message #130508 is a reply to message #130504] Mon, 06 May 2013 19:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colinmcintyre
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southwestultimate wrote on Mon, 06 May 2013 22:06
The College Division has been leading the charge in terms of disregarding spirit for at least the last 15 years, so this isn't really a shock. And to be clear, I am not blaming the players, they are just playing the way they have been taught.


Taught by whom?
Re: spiking the disc [message #130510 is a reply to message #130504] Mon, 06 May 2013 20:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Reggie Fanelli
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> Unfortunately, now spiking the disc is even celebrated in
> Callahan videos, even to the extent of the Freechild video
> having a montage of spikes.
~~~~~~~~~


--awesome!
got a link to that?
Re: spiking the disc [message #130511 is a reply to message #130508] Mon, 06 May 2013 20:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Reggie Fanelli
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> > The College Division has been leading the charge in
> > terms of disregarding spirit for at least the last 15
> > years, so this isn't really a shock.  And to be clear, I
> > am not blaming the players, they are just playing the way
> > they have been taught.
>
> Taught by whom?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---the badasses college studs who played the 7 or 8 years leading
up...to 15 years ago!
Re: spiking the disc [message #130512 is a reply to message #130511] Mon, 06 May 2013 20:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
southwestultimate
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Yep, spiking the disc proves you are a badass. And to think of all those missed opportunities I have had to prove to the world that I was a badass.
Re: spiking the disc [message #130518 is a reply to message #130307] Mon, 06 May 2013 22:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
madisonplayer85
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could be worse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sEagjNAh-U

(hit your own goalie)
Re: spiking the disc [message #130521 is a reply to message #130518] Mon, 06 May 2013 22:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
southwestultimate
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On Monday, May 6, 2013 11:21:29 PM UTC-6, madison...@gmail.com wrote:
> could be worse:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sEagjNAh-U
>
>
>
> (hit your own goalie)

That Ballard is such a badass, it only took him two tries to destroy his equipment. I've seen real Ultimate badasses have to spike a disc six or seven times before it was totally unplayable.
Re: spiking the disc [message #130547 is a reply to message #130512] Tue, 07 May 2013 04:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Reggie Fanelli
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On May 6, 11:22 pm, southwestultimate <southwestultim...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Yep, spiking the disc proves you are a badass.  And to think
> of all those missed opportunities I have had to prove to the
> world that I was a badass.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


--i don't see where anyone wrote that spiking the disc proves you are
a badass.

i DO see where someone wrote that for 15 years college players have
been 'disregarding spirit'.....and all i did was try to include MY
GENERATION in that group(because there were plenty of disc spikers and
athletes 'disregarding spirit').....while also suggestion that those
who have played during the 15 years mentioned, are probably simply THE
SAME as those who came before them.....and will probably be the SAME
as those who play the next 15 years.

a reminder that....the more things change, the more they are the same.

as for YOU missing opportunities to spike the disc or be a
badass...you're hatin' it!
Re: spiking the disc [message #130564 is a reply to message #130547] Tue, 07 May 2013 10:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
southwestultimate
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It was your comment that College players of the last 15 years were taught to spike the disc by the Badasses who came before them.
Re: spiking the disc [message #130568 is a reply to message #130564] Tue, 07 May 2013 11:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Reggie Fanelli
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> It was your comment that College players of the last 15
> years were taught to spike the disc by the Badasses who came
> before them.
~~~~~~~~~~


---well...i don't know if that was my comment.....but i don't want
folks to forget that there were bad assed disc spiking athletes BEFORE
15 years ago!

know your history!
Re: spiking the disc [message #130570 is a reply to message #130508] Tue, 07 May 2013 13:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colinmcintyre
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colinmcintyre wrote on Mon, 06 May 2013 22:33
southwestultimate wrote on Mon, 06 May 2013 22:06
The College Division has been leading the charge in terms of disregarding spirit for at least the last 15 years, so this isn't really a shock. And to be clear, I am not blaming the players, they are just playing the way they have been taught.


Taught by whom?


Not to get derailed. Who are you blaming for the teaching, southwestultimate, and how do you think it should be addressed?
Re: spiking the disc [message #130626 is a reply to message #130547] Wed, 08 May 2013 10:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EuhNGroups
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Reggie Fanelli wrote on Tue, 07 May 2013 04:36
.....and all i did was try to include MY
GENERATION in that group(because there were plenty of disc spikers and
athletes 'disregarding spirit').....while also suggestion that those
who have played during the 15 years mentioned, are probably simply THE
SAME as those who came before them.....and will probably be the SAME
as those who play the next 15 years.

a reminder that....the more things change, the more they are the same.


That's why we advise you to take the anger management therapy sessions you skipped in the 90's








Re: spiking the disc [message #130673 is a reply to message #130626] Thu, 09 May 2013 03:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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On May 8, 1:04 pm, Euh <EuhNGro...@hotmail.ca> wrote:
> Reggie Fanelli wrote on Tue, 07 May 2013 04:36
>
> > .....and all i did was try to include MY
> > GENERATION in that group(because there were plenty of
> > disc spikers and
> > athletes 'disregarding spirit').....while also
> > suggestion that those
> > who have played during the 15 years mentioned, are
> > probably simply THE
> > SAME as those who came before them.....and will probably
> > be the SAME
> > as those who play the next 15 years.
>
> > a reminder that....the more things change, the more they
> > are the same.
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> That's why we advise you to take the anger management
> therapy sessions you skipped in the 90's
~~~~~~~~~~


---you're a moron.....
please explain, crazy frank euh, what your reply means.

you're shit is so dumb.....that it doesn't even follow what you're
replying to.....

because MY generation....and the 'generation' of the last 15
years.....and those of the NEXT 15 years spike and don't/won't/didn't
adhere to the fantasy of 'spirit'.....i should take anger management?

you've got the brains of a brainless person.
Re: spiking the disc [message #130684 is a reply to message #130673] Thu, 09 May 2013 08:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
seanrm42
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In comparing the way ultimate is/was played between generations, ultimate now has simply become more of a serious competitive sport with more athletic players so it can be taken seriously by the sports community (ex.ESPN) instead of the generalizations of a bunch of bare foot hippies tossing the disc. My question for the older guy is how many players from the your generation ran sprints or lift weights? I would go as far as saying as we have more heart and a bigger desire to better the sport.

And as for the spiking the disc of the disc, it is still in my eyes considered unsportsmanlike because it destroys the disc. My advice: if/when you make a "play", act like its not your first time doing it if you want my respect.
Re: spiking the disc [message #130689 is a reply to message #130684] Thu, 09 May 2013 09:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Locke
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You guys sound a lot like the stupid excessive celebration rule that exists in college football. God forbid a college kid or club/pro player getting excited for making a great play.

P.S. You can easily spike a disc without tacoing it. Those of you that don't think you can simply don't have enough practice.
Re: spiking the disc [message #130690 is a reply to message #130689] Thu, 09 May 2013 11:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EuhNGroups
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Locke wrote on Thu, 09 May 2013 09:55
You guys sound a lot like the stupid excessive celebration rule that exists in college football.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwSTEzhoC8E
Re: spiking the disc [message #130691 is a reply to message #130690] Thu, 09 May 2013 11:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Locke
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Not quite the form of football to which I was referring but great video
Re: spiking the disc [message #130695 is a reply to message #130684] Thu, 09 May 2013 13:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anakin gerics
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> And as for the spiking the disc of the disc, it is still in
> my eyes considered unsportsmanlike because it destroys the
> disc. My advice: if/when you make a "play", act like its not
> your first time doing it if you want my respect.
~~~~~~~~~~~~

---good spikes don't damage the disc....so....NOT unsportsmanlike.

dumbest advice in sports.....'act like you've been there'
Re: spiking the disc [message #130698 is a reply to message #130695] Thu, 09 May 2013 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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Seanrm42...

Surely we can agree generations
of players have equal enthusiasm
for ultimate. But yes...we are in a new
era.

Peter Mc
Re: spiking the disc [message #130711 is a reply to message #130698] Thu, 09 May 2013 21:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
southwestultimate
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I'm not really interested in casting blame, I think anybody who is a student of the game can see how we got to where we are. And as for how it should be addressed, maybe it doesn't need to be. Some players will want to play in that environment, and others won't, and if that community has accepted that behavior or even embraced it, then why should an outsider try to dictate. I have made several conscious decisions throughout my career to not play that style of Ultimate, and as time has progressed that style of play and that type of behavior has become more and more the norm, but I don't feel like I have been shorted because I never got an opportunity to play in a tournament that in many cases you have to cheat in order to qualify for. Some players and coaches have decided that intentional fouling is okay in some situations and that spirit of the game is a nuisance. So it is no wonder that SOTG is dismissed altogether or equated as mere sportsmanshis at some levels. The fantasy of spirit was a particularly telling quote. As long as players continue to dismiss spirit, Ultimate will be just another sport. I just wonder why they spend so much time promoting their version of the sport while doing everything they can to make it just like other sports.

p.s. In my opinion spiking the disc means doing something intentionally disrespectful to the other team or damaging the disc. And yeah, it usually does make you look like a tool for whom scoring goals is not a usual experience. Best case scenario is that you piss off the other team and make them play worse, (nice sportsmanship there) worst case scenario is you piss off the other team and they play harder, in which case you are just an idiot. So spike away, because we already know that you don't care how bad it makes you look.
Re: spiking the disc [message #130749 is a reply to message #130684] Fri, 10 May 2013 07:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
andyball07
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seanrm42, I think you go too far in your assumption that players today have more heart and a bigger desire to better the sport. I think that is unfounded and incorrect.

Also, my opinion is that spiking only becomes an issue when one of 3 things occurs: damage to the disc, the disc is spiked intentionally onto or at the opponent, or the disc is spiked outside of the playing field.

Otherwise, keep on spiking. All of you spirit enthusiasts should agree, Ultimate doesn't have to be the same as other sports that have referees, standardized uniforms, or rules against excessive celebration. Let Ultimate be what the players make it to be.


Re: spiking the disc [message #130751 is a reply to message #130218] Fri, 10 May 2013 07:37 Go to previous message
Lance Marput
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Yeah...i essentially agree with andyball.

As is often the case with words, gestures mean different things to different folks.

An example ...and close to home (First place i ever played league ultimate, winter 1981)...most musicians would understand what this guy was saying since it's in the musicians vernacular.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/saxophon e-player-s-fake-bomb-claim-jazzes-up-lunchtime-at/article_77 7e47e2-13f7-5bf3-b83f-05bb0a8ce239.html

Spike or no spike...The kids are alright.

Just keep the disc off of concrete dude.

Peter Mc
MDSC
Columbia, Mo.







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