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AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120354] Tue, 11 September 2012 08:25 Go to next message
ceisenhood
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Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120357 is a reply to message #120354] Tue, 11 September 2012 10:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mgd.mitch
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interesting that the league is going after the teams for not paying their refs when the league didn't pay their broadcasters for the championship game.

I also find it interesting that Moore considers the teams to be "badmouthing" him. His actions speak pretty dang loudly, and they aren't complimentary.
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120360 is a reply to message #120354] Tue, 11 September 2012 11:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jeremy.mcnamara
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We need a second amendment solution.
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120368 is a reply to message #120354] Tue, 11 September 2012 12:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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That Mr. Kilgore from Rhode Island really wants to be remembered by AUDL head honcho Josh Moore...

...comical stuff.

Peter Mc
MDSC
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120370 is a reply to message #120368] Tue, 11 September 2012 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thefan
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Quote:
We don't know if there are other leagues out there,


i realize that these team owners aren't plugged into the ultimate scene all the time but . . . really? they don't know?

i mean, i guess there's summer leagues. or they could sign up for a fall league. we've got winter league here in NC, but i'm guessing that would be problematic in new england.

hope this gets worked out somehow, but it keeps getting uglier.
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120371 is a reply to message #120370] Tue, 11 September 2012 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ultimate is not a name
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I believe he's alluding to the comment made by the Alley Cats owner, who mentioned the possibility of starting a rival league. But you are right, this is getting uglier.
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120372 is a reply to message #120371] Tue, 11 September 2012 13:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thefan
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and from the looks of things, Josh Moore is the bad guy here.

admittedly, I have zero legal experience, have not read the terms of anything and don't consider myself to be business savvy but from reading the ultiworld articles and following this with a mediocre level of interest it looks like he wants his teams in NY and Boston and is muscling out the teams with territory issues with egregious fines and legal costs.
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120379 is a reply to message #120372] Tue, 11 September 2012 14:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
donovd
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thefan wrote on Tue, 11 September 2012 16:34
and from the looks of things, Josh Moore is the bad guy here.

admittedly, I have zero legal experience, have not read the terms of anything and don't consider myself to be business savvy but from reading the ultiworld articles and following this with a mediocre level of interest it looks like he wants his teams in NY and Boston and is muscling out the teams with territory issues with egregious fines and legal costs.


Josh Moore doesn't stand to make any more money from Connecticut or Rhode Island other than through the fines.

His motivation is only to sell new franchises so for him he's happy to see teams go under as long as he can continue to sell more franchises.

Stupidest setup for a league ever, I'm still in disbelief the owners bought into it. The owners should own the league and the commissioner be an employee of the owners. Then his motivations would align with the owners, much better for business to have the decision makers aiming for the same goal (teams making money). Right now the 'commissioner' doesn't answer to the owners so his only motivation is to make money for himself.

DanD
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120400 is a reply to message #120379] Tue, 11 September 2012 20:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Patro
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So, do the first 8 AUDL teams have non-compete clauses in their contracts? *Why don't* they all just quit the AUDL, coordinate themselves, and jointly hire someone who knows how to represent a league and run a business? Is there anything stopping them besides a lack of communication (and funds)? Moore needs to be out of the picture, and someone competent needs to do the job that he was meant to do.

Considering what these guys have already sunk into their franchises, hell, why wouldn't they pony up for an advertising firm to make them a brand and get them publicity and coverage? Yeah it's a lot, but that sounds like the next logical step for them. That is, if they want to be taken seriously.

Enough is enough. These teams have enough to do without having to put up with the 'front office'.
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120419 is a reply to message #120400] Wed, 12 September 2012 11:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
frizzlebizzle
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I believe there's another article on ultiworld that does state that there are non-compete clauses.. soemthing about a 5 year contract with the league.

Also of note, and I'm not saying Josh Moore is a good guy here, but the Eisenhood fellow who's writing these posts is a good friend of a Constitution player... so it may be a slightly biased account.

I think it's pretty clear that Moore is interested in just maximizing his personal profits... but really, I feel like the type of people who would buy an ultimate frisbee franchise are the exact type of person who'd believe that the owner wouldn't only be interested in making money and would be easily targetable. I think it was pretty clear from the start that this was a quasi ponze scheme, but people were too excited about the idea of a "pro" frisbee team to really consider it, and just naively hoped for the best and believed it would all work out.

Not to generalize, but the type of person who would invest in something like this may not be the most savvy business person... you really only need to read that one clip of the owner's emails (I'm looking at you, Buffalo owner with an inability to format cohesive sentences) to see the caliber of people Moore was able to get at the start.

Well, at least it provided a few months of amusement, I suppose, but I agree its getting pretty ugly now... and will probably provide a few more months of super-exciting AUDL drama and teh soon-to-be spinoff NUDL for us to talk about on RSD. My non-ultimate co-workers went from thinking ultimate was a joke to now having proof its a joke. Least we got some top 10 plays out of it.
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120420 is a reply to message #120357] Wed, 12 September 2012 12:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Reggie Fanelli
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On Sep 11, 1:10 pm, mgd.mitch <mgd.mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> interesting that the league is going after the teams for not
> paying their refs when the league didn't pay their
> broadcasters for the championship game.
>
> I also find it interesting that Moore considers the teams to
> be "badmouthing" him.  His actions speak pretty dang loudly,
> and they aren't complimentary.
> --
~~~~~~~~~~~

--interesting that you try to mask your lame trash talking behind the
word 'interesting'
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120421 is a reply to message #120372] Wed, 12 September 2012 12:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Reggie Fanelli
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> and from the looks of things, Josh Moore is the bad guy
> here.
>
> admittedly, I have zero legal experience, have not read the
> terms of anything and don't consider myself to be business
> savvy but from reading the ultiworld articles and following
> this with a mediocre level of interest it looks like he
> wants his teams in NY and Boston and is muscling out the
> teams with territory issues with egregious fines and legal
> costs.
~~~~~~~~~~~~


---i don't think that wanting teams in NY and Boston make Josh a 'bad
guy'.
when and if there's interest....ya gotta strike while the iron's hot.
if he couldn't get them going the first year....he ought to have the
right to try the next!
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120422 is a reply to message #120421] Wed, 12 September 2012 12:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mvuong
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Reggie Fanelli wrote on Wed, 12 September 2012 12:09
>


---i don't think that wanting teams in NY and Boston make Josh a 'bad
guy'.
when and if there's interest....ya gotta strike while the iron's hot.
if he couldn't get them going the first year....he ought to have the
right to try the next!


Except that he doesn't have the right. That's the whole issue. Contracts and rules and whatnot.
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120423 is a reply to message #120379] Wed, 12 September 2012 12:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Reggie Fanelli
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> Stupidest setup for a league ever, I'm still in disbelief
> the owners bought into it.  The owners should own the league
> and the commissioner be an employee of the owners.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~


---and yet.....he DID it.

there are a million 'shoulds' or 'coulds'...but that ain't what he
did.

what he DID.....he DID.
it happened...and may continue.

hell....he DID...something.


you?
any of you?
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120431 is a reply to message #120422] Wed, 12 September 2012 12:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thefan
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Mike, as much as it pains me to agree with mvaeioung on this point and disagree with you, Josh, according to the reporting and the snippet of the contract we were shown, doesn't have the right to start a new franchise within 100 miles of an existing franchise. this is the basis for about 90% of the drama.

there has been talk of a "conversation" where teams in NY and Boston were discussed but no written document mentioning any sort of agreement outside of the 100 mile radius TLA has surfaced yet.

The Rhode Island and Connecticut owners invested money and time into their teams and seem to have been under the impression that the TLA protected them from losing out on fans, players or media to a new franchise in larger markets (NY and Boston). It appears from what we have seen thus far that Josh Moore wants the teams in NY and Boston (not hard to imagine why) and is looking to muscle the two existing teams out with fines and legal expenses.

there was a guy posting on here defending Josh Moore a while back. he claimed to be a pick up player in Connecticut but seemed a lot like a phony plant. he hasn't been around in a while.
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120445 is a reply to message #120422] Wed, 12 September 2012 17:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Reggie Fanelli
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> Except that he doesn't have the right. That's the whole
> issue. Contracts and rules and whatnot.
~~~~~~~~

---AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island...
if those contracts are terminated.....there wouldn't be a contract any
longer....and whatnot.
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120446 is a reply to message #120431] Wed, 12 September 2012 17:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Reggie Fanelli
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On Sep 12, 3:55 pm, thefan <jimmyholtz...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mike, as much as it pains me to agree with mvaeioung on this
> point and disagree with you, Josh, according to the
> reporting and the snippet of the contract we were shown,
> doesn't have the right to start a new franchise within 100
> miles of an existing franchise.  this is the basis for about
> 90% of the drama.
~~~~~

---i've seen, here on rsd, about the 100 mile radius thing.

does it make sense to try to have teams in NY and Boston?
i'd say yes.
and if i owned a league...i'd do something to try and get teams there.

hell...i'd change the 100 mile rule...if i was makin' the
rules.....some sort of expansion clause.
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120447 is a reply to message #120446] Wed, 12 September 2012 17:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sunwalker
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If I was the owner of the league I would have had the foresight to not block off the two largest markets in the northeast with a dumb contract that I wrote up...
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120452 is a reply to message #120447] Thu, 13 September 2012 03:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Reggie Fanelli
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> If I was the owner of the league I would have had the
> foresight to not block off the two largest markets in the
> northeast with a dumb contract that I wrote up...
~~~~

--me too.....and then i'd change it if i had.
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120453 is a reply to message #120445] Thu, 13 September 2012 05:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DJ
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Reggie Fanelli wrote on Wed, 12 September 2012 20:39
> Except that he doesn't have the right. That's the whole
> issue. Contracts and rules and whatnot.
~~~~~~~~

---AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island...
if those contracts are terminated.....there wouldn't be a contract any
longer....and whatnot.


Even if the contracts are terminated by the AUDL, the teams still own the territory for 5 years. That clause is also in the contract.
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120457 is a reply to message #120453] Thu, 13 September 2012 06:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jed
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On Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:50:06 AM UTC-4, DJ wrote:
> Reggie Fanelli wrote on Wed, 12 September 2012 20:39
>
> > > Except that he doesn't have the right. That's the
>
> > > whole
>
> > > issue. Contracts and rules and whatnot.
>
> > ~~~~~~~~
>
> >
>
> > ---AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and
>
> > Rhode Island...
>
> > if those contracts are terminated.....there wouldn't be
>
> > a contract any
>
> > longer....and whatnot.
>
>
>
>
>
> Even if the contracts are terminated by the AUDL, the teams
>
> still own the territory for 5 years. That clause is also in
>
> the contract.
>
> --
>
> Posted from http://www.rsdnospam.com

If a contract is terminated, so are all the terms of said contract.
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120458 is a reply to message #120457] Thu, 13 September 2012 06:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mgd.mitch
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Jed wrote on Thu, 13 September 2012 09:39
If a contract is terminated, so are all the terms of said contract.
Meanwhile, back in the real world...
Re: AUDL To Terminate Contracts With Connecticut and Rhode Island [message #120521 is a reply to message #120453] Sat, 15 September 2012 12:39 Go to previous message
Reggie Fanelli
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> Even if the contracts are terminated by the AUDL, the teams
> still own the territory for 5 years. That clause is also in
> the contract.
~~~~~~~

---ya'll been readin' huh?
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