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Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119072 is a reply to message #119065] Wed, 01 August 2012 06:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Soccerfreak24
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knice wrote on Tue, 31 July 2012 22:46
Disagree with a couple of your observations.

The Marc Seraglia play at 27:40 really needs to be viewed in its entire context. The time to watch from is 26:50. Oscar Pottinger has the disc on the sideline and puts up a high flick to Marc towards the back of the endzone. As Marc goes up for the disc #29 from Japan, Sasakawa Kei, makes absolutely no play on the disc and just rams a forearm into Marc's back. This is a very dangerous play and on par with anything that we would see from TC during the 46-52 minute time span. After the restart, Marc again catches the disc in the endzone and is on the receiving end of a two handed push from the Japanese defender # 97 Shiba Keiichiro. The disc spike is nothing worse than what continually appears in the AUDL highlights.

Andy Collins play at 11:15 - the Japanese player #29 makes another appearance on the cheap shot list. Clearly he stops and levels a shoulder into Collins in retaliation for the physical D Collins is playing.


I think you need to re-view the clip at 27:40. It looks like what the japanese player does is considerably different than what the canadian players did at 46-52. The japanese player obviously was going for the D, but when he realized he wasn't getting it, it looks like he held himself back from bidding into the canadian player. The result was him bracing against the canadian players back to soften the blow. It seems to me that the difference between canada and japan in this game was candian players had no regard for the safety of the japanese players.

And in regards to 11:15... all I can say is you appear to use to the term "cheap shot" very loosely. The canadian player was initiating contact that entire play.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119073 is a reply to message #119065] Wed, 01 August 2012 06:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jed
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On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 1:50:05 AM UTC-4, Kyle wrote:
> Disagree with a couple of your observations.
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> The Marc Seraglia play at 27:40 really needs to be viewed in
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> its entire context. The time to watch from is 26:50. Oscar
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> Pottinger has the disc on the sideline and puts up a high
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> flick to Marc towards the back of the endzone. As Marc goes
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> up for the disc #29 from Japan, Sasakawa Kei, makes
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> absolutely no play on the disc and just rams a forearm into
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> Marc's back. This is a very dangerous play and on par with
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> anything that we would see from TC during the 46-52 minute
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> time span.

Yep, that's even worse than I thought on second viewing, especially since it's the same guy who body checked Collins. He goes up from behind, makes no play on the disc, and gives a hard check (leading with his forearm, but with is full weight behind it) to the back of Seraglia's shoulder just as he's about to grab the disc. Then #29 just stands there, and doesn't even participate in the foul discussion.

The Seraglia gets a shot from behind again while he's catching the disc. I'm sure all you holier-than-thou angels would have taken this all in stride. I personally can understand how that sequence of events might have gotten his blood up a little bit.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119074 is a reply to message #119072] Wed, 01 August 2012 06:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jed
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On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 9:30:05 AM UTC-4, Matt wrote:

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> And in regards to 11:15... all I can say is you appear to
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> use to the term "cheap shot" very loosely. The canadian
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> player was initiating contact that entire play.
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Sure, Collins was playing pretty close, physical D. He wasn't the only one initiating contact, but he wasn't going out of his way to avoid it either. Do any of you seriously want to say that this justifies what #29 did?

11:19 - Collins has his feet set, and is in #29's field of vision. Both players are static. #29 then drives his shoulder up and into Collins' throat/chest, knocking him flat. It's absolutely dirty, and he's very lucky that all he got was a shove.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119076 is a reply to message #119066] Wed, 01 August 2012 06:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jed
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On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 2:25:04 AM UTC-4, Brandon wrote:
> knice wrote on Tue, 31 July 2012 22:46
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> > Andy Collins play at 11:15 - the Japanese player #29
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> > makes another appearance on the cheap shot list. Clearly
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> > he stops and levels a shoulder into Collins in retaliation
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> > for the physical D Collins is playing.
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> Man such a cheap shot the Japanese player stopped moving and
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> moved his body weight so he wouldn't get plowed over by the
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> guy humping his leg. Last time I checked, when someone runs
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> into you and you are standing flat footed, you are the one
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> who ends up on the ground. The Japanese player wasn't even
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> sprinting when he stopped I would call it a slow jog to fast
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> walk at most.
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> You sir, are dumb, and your opinion is invalid.
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Try to at least disguise your bias. 11:19 - Collins has his feet set, and is in #29's field of vision. #29 drives his shoulder right into his throat/chest, and knocks him flat. If you can't admit that's dirty, you are not qualified to comment on this thread. He's lucky he didn't get worse than a shove after that.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119084 is a reply to message #119076] Wed, 01 August 2012 09:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
martin17
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I think that anyone who watches this game and tries to absolve either side of dirty play is kidding themselves. I mean really, if you isolated the Collins' shoulder incident and didn't surround it with the rest of the controversy, it's a completely unacceptable move. Those people saying that shouting at opponents is not the correct way to react to calls should consider that no matter how physical Collins' might have been playing, a shoulder to the chin is out of line.

Having said that, between the two teams, the level of bad sportsmanship is not even close throughout the game. Team Canada repeatedly and egregiously shout down and physically abuse their opponents. Some (not all of course, but interestingly some of those that are on the experienced end of the spectrum) of the members of TC behave in a way that is totally embarrassing to the sport.

It's unacceptable and I wish we had a governing body that could enforce some level of punishment. There are members from both teams who ought to be ashamed at their behaviour. I'm totally baffled that people would come in here and try to justify some of the plays in this video whilst ignoring the whole picture. If I was on a team that acted like this, I would be mortified.

TC and the CUC should accept that this was far from their finest hour and consider how to avoid such a display again.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119090 is a reply to message #119071] Wed, 01 August 2012 12:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timothyegilligan
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ilyas wrote on Wed, 01 August 2012 09:00


Seriously?? Have you ever watched any AUDL highlights? I have attended and watching double digit AUDL games and I have never seen anyone whip a disc at someone's face(someone on the ground no less) before. Really inaccurate statement.



Must've missed this game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrd4t6tcqJQ&feature=playe r_embedded#!

go to 1:05
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119092 is a reply to message #119090] Wed, 01 August 2012 12:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ilyas
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I stand corrected.
2 small notes :
a) you can link to a spot in a video, like http://youtu.be/Rrd4t6tcqJQ?hd=1&t=1m5s
b) The fact that we found one occurance doesn't make it the norm
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119094 is a reply to message #119092] Wed, 01 August 2012 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MinerThreat15
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I agree that both teams have several plays that they should be ashamed of. Furious was up to their usual tricks of a ton of calls and lots of anger. Look back at the Furious V Goat game for the Canadian championship last year for another example of awful gameplay from Furious. That being said it appeared that Furious was doing their thing of yelling and big demonstrations while the Japaneses team was using the method of 'foul called, contest, no contest, move on.' Japan made their calls and moved on. If your only complaint against the japaneses team was they refused to talk about the calls you have nothing to be mad about because disputed calls happen in every game of ultimate and with out obversvers then most likely every argument will end in disagreement any ways without the 5 minutes of yelling at each other.

That being said the only play Furious has a right to have any anger towards is the shoulder to Andy Collins chin. Not sure if it was on purpose or not but it was ugly and seemed to have some maliciousness behind it. The hands on the back of Seraglia was not dangerous, if he doesn't put his hands there he probably takes out Seraglia knees like Furious was doing all game. And the contested fast count was a meltdown was a joke. The Japanese player maybe had the disc for 6 seconds maybe and the huck he got off was less then a second after the disc came back in.

Now back to the titles of the thread "Morgan Hibbert should be ashamed". He should be ashamed of this game. He was the worst of all the Furious players. First with the non existant foul after a huge travel that he called on the goal line(Did you notice the Japanese player jumped up once or twice said contest and played started back up very quickly. Would that have been the case if the roles were reversed?). Then you have the NFL style launch into a defenseless receiver after he catches hit on the sidelines that was a disgrace. Hibbert and Saunkeah would have made great DB's in football because they didn't get a hand on the disc but they made a sure tackle after the play. And then Hibbert caps off the game with very spirited chest bump of his defender when it appears the defender did nothing wrong.

I think the biggest proof that Furious was at fault for most of the game is just listening to the announcers. They are very much pro Canada in the begininng of the game but by the end they are disgusted by how Furious is playing. I'm glad Furious lost and they should do some soul searching to think about if that is how they want their teams image to look
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119097 is a reply to message #119092] Wed, 01 August 2012 13:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Fantusta
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On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 3:35:03 PM UTC-4, Cris Shaikh wrote:
> I stand corrected.
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> 2 small notes :
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> a) you can link to a spot in a video, like
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> http://youtu.be/Rrd4t6tcqJQ?hd=1&t=1m5s
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> b) The fact that we found one occurance doesn't make it the
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> norm
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> --
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> Posted from http://www.rsdnospam.com

AFAIK that player was assessed a "flagrant" penalty - of which 2 of them result in being suspended the rest of the game. (Plus a 20 yardage penalty) Not a minor penalty. And knowledge of those penalties keep these spikes pretty out of the game.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119108 is a reply to message #118994] Wed, 01 August 2012 19:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Reggie Fanelli
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> In your interview with Match Diesel for Skyd Magazine, you
> mentioned that everything Sockeye does on the field annoys
> you, particularly their egregious calls.
~~~~~~~

----.....sounds about right...
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119118 is a reply to message #119090] Thu, 02 August 2012 08:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
donovd
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better angle on the AUDL play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC1M1yebZc4#t=0m30s

Also this was not considered in the norm for the AUDL. Bluegrass got the first ever flagrant foul and the goal was taken back.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119154 is a reply to message #119118] Fri, 03 August 2012 09:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ceisenhood
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We cut the Canada/Japan video down and added some thoughts: http://ultiworld.com/wordpress/?p=658
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119156 is a reply to message #119154] Fri, 03 August 2012 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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That's some pathetic stuff.

Haven't watched the entire game.

My Chuck Prophet song post was general cultural commentary. Sad to say, but this sort of poor sportsmanship will become more common place as our sport becomes more and more mainstream in sport culture.

Big props to the Japanese team for generally keeping their cool (from what I've seen).

This footage will be great for clinic discussions across the globe in decades ahead:

Exercise # 4a:
See video and discuss: "What is poor sportsmanship?"


Peter Mc
MDSC

Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119159 is a reply to message #118994] Fri, 03 August 2012 13:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
smntstatus
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Looks like Jeff Lindquist is getting pretty testy in defense of Team Canada. Here are his comments from the article on ultiworld.com (he seems to deliberately ignore his own fast count/stall bullying and the fact that Hibbert's goal/scream/chestbump occurred at 11-10. I guess Hibbert missed that rousing halftime speech by Pottinger):

"Ceisenhood, I'm very curious if you spent any time reaching out to any Canadian players on the team before writing this article? And is there a reason every single thing Japan did was removed in the video?

You talk about a 'playing style', as if you're implying Canada went into this game (or any game) with the intention of hitting or tackling players. As if 28 members of this team were all thinking that this is acceptable. As if the captains are talking to the team about how this will win us games.

The reality is, a few players on the Canadian team reacted to what they viewed as downright cheating by the Japanese by taking some shots in retaliation. That statement is a fact.

Now that being said, I'm not trying to say it was in any way acceptable. I don't at all think it was. But when you write articles like this, without any idea what you are talking about, you are accusing the entire team if not all of Canadian Ultimate. Where is the part of the article where Oscar brought us in at half to say it was embarrasing and unacceptable what happened? Or at the end of the game where 1 player didn't want to shake hands (not Morgan), and Oscar told him to quit being a child and have some maturity.

I can tell you for a fact most of the players on Canada were absolutely embarrased during the game as to what was happening, and every single player was embarrased once their emotions had time to settle."
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119160 is a reply to message #119159] Fri, 03 August 2012 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
brosev
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Looks like Jeff Lindquist is getting pretty testy in defense of Team Canada. Here are his comments from the article on ultiworld.com:

"Ceisenhood, I'm very curious if you spent any time reaching out to any Canadian players on the team before writing this article? And is there a reason every single thing Japan did was removed in the video?"

NOT ONLY IS HE ANTI-SPORTSMANSHIP, HE'S ANTI-FREEDOM OF THE PRESS!

#KeepEmInCanada

Fookin Canucks.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119162 is a reply to message #119160] Fri, 03 August 2012 14:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mozaic
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Finally got a chance to watch through the vid in its entirety.

I think the clocks must run faster in Canada. That or counting to 10 seconds was never taught at school as the first stall out (around the 1:04mark), the japanese player has it for maybe 6 or 7 seconds, then the second stall out, an immediate pivot and huck for about .3 of a second somehow equaled Canadian 2 seconds (Stalling nine...Ten.) Is there any canadian player who is defending their team on this RSD who is willing to claim that these were 2 clear 10 counts? I challenge you to re-watch with a stopwatch.

But the worst part, trying to intimidate the japanese player 2 on 1, yelling in his face, then complaining on message boards that the players were not engaging in discussions??? As someone earlier mentioned, it obviously worked as the japanese player didnt call fast count on the second count and the only reason i can think of is fear of the other players.

Am i wrong or was the 2nd canadaian player in the stall count "discussion" the same player who took out the 2 Japanese players from behind in the first half and then was laughing / complaining that the injury was taking too long. Hope you feel like a big man on campus when your friends back home get to watch this film.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119164 is a reply to message #118994] Fri, 03 August 2012 15:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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1) It's ridiculous to include the phrase "How dare you" in the title of the post and not expect people to (rightfully) act defensive. I think most of the people here acting defensive in some capacity are being reasonable (with exception of the first post which coolly brushed off a few flagrant fouls and embarrassing displays of aggression).

2) colinmcintyre makes a great point about the obnoxious "it's high level" excuse. High level frisbee is on par with low level amateur soccer leagues in terms of competition, fan attendance, athlete skill/athleticism, etc. Your definition of "elite" is entirely subjective and laughable to any legitimate athlete in the country. Justifying irrational steroid baby responses with that excuse is absurd.

3) Furious players have always gotten hot-headed and played physical - not every one of them and not all the time, but they have established and deserve that reputation. This game was that "team identity" magnified and worsened. I think you take this game for what it is and move on. The more important thing now is how Furious George carries themselves in their next games and tournaments.

Not only did they embarrass themselves, but they lost doing it. We should expect to see some humility and some more restraint in the future. If not, then you can really start writing posts that start with the overdramatic and ridiculous "How dare you" phrase.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119167 is a reply to message #119164] Fri, 03 August 2012 16:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
smntstatus
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How dare you call my title overdramatic and ridiculous!!! Your post sullies the good name of everyone that uses a fake online handle, and is an embarrassment to this reputable and respected ultimate frisbee forum. Take this weekend to reflect on your actions, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119172 is a reply to message #118994] Fri, 03 August 2012 19:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just saw that Ultiworld posted this. It's a video of just the plays that Jeremy mentioned in his original post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCOHdLd0LyA&feature=playe r_embedded



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Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119176 is a reply to message #119172] Sat, 04 August 2012 07:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jed
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From the ultiworld link:

"Disclosure : I’m Japanese and have experience to play with both Buzz Bullets and Furious George.
I’m also a certified observer of USA ULTIMATE.

After watching the full game footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxf-HYYEvP0), my opinion is that the Canadian’s layout bids on 8-8 were too physical and a few shouting to Japanese player should be something to avoid, but other than that, it’s kind a normal physical game which Japan and Canada tend to play.

I’ve communicated with the Japanese coach and he said that it looked some Canadians were a bit too excited, but the atmosphere of the game was not so bad.

On the other hand, there were so many calls and stoppages that I agree we have to improve those.
If non Ultimate players watch this game, we may loose a fan.

Observers could be one option and I like that, but some voting system like SOTG score which can be used for TMF or PMF might help convince people who are very careful of observers.

Just an idea…"
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119199 is a reply to message #119041] Sun, 05 August 2012 16:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EuhNGroups
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kid4v wrote on Tue, 31 July 2012 10:56
What many people in support of the Canadian team are saying is that Japan made very little attempt to discuss calls. I agree that they should explain their calls but you guys leave no consideration for the language barrier. How many people on Team Canada know Japanese/ how many of you feel confident enough in a second language to not only explain you call but have an argument about that call in your second language?


Most of them don't even speak french, yet they're supposed to be representing Canada (an officially bilingual country).
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119202 is a reply to message #118994] Sun, 05 August 2012 16:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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smntstatus wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 15:16

Morgan, you are the captain of Furious George and the de facto captain of Team Canada. I call on the entire Ultimate Canada organization to issue an apology to Team Japan and for you to step down immediately as captain of Furious George and be removed from all future international competition with Team Canada. Your team's (and personal) reckless display sullied the sport and is a disgrace to everything ultimate represents.

Sincerely,
Jeremy



This is what you get when you keep Don Cherry on national TV.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119233 is a reply to message #118994] Mon, 06 August 2012 10:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tk08
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I am actually shocked we weren't awarded the Spirit trophy.

Aside from the back to back backpacks (which were bad late bids) and Andy getting the shot to the neck (cheap one) the rest of that game is a typical chippy game that isn't uncommon. Those types of games are brutal to watch and be a part of but it happens life goes on.

Thomas Kuhn - Spirit champion of the world !
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119234 is a reply to message #119202] Mon, 06 August 2012 10:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
smntstatus
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At least they have the Red Green Show.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119238 is a reply to message #119233] Mon, 06 August 2012 12:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
smntstatus
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Correction: back to back backpacks and a tackle. If it seems like a typical chippy game, it's because Team Canada always turns games into chippy ones. Has any other team ever had a problem playing against Team Japan or Buzz Bullets? No. It's just your team.

Revolver always wins with class. Learn something from them.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119241 is a reply to message #119003] Mon, 06 August 2012 14:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jfdieterl
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l8ersk8er wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 17:43

30:00-50:00 20 minute point with many calls and a trouble with language barrier and how we discuss calls. The Japanese wouldn't even enter a discussion many times; they would ignore us blatantly and just sit looking vacant. It wasn't a fair tactic. I am in no way condoning our yelling but I would say it is equally unfair. One just looks bad on camera Wink settling disputes with the language barrier caused an issue and that would be one thing I'm sure both teams would like to work on in the future to make games more enjoyable for everyone (including viewers)


Team Canada didn't look like they were trying to discuss calls, players seem to have just been screaming at the Japanese--they were trying to win calls. If your opponent is screaming in your face in a language you don't understand very well, what would your response be? You could 1) try to discuss it in the language through the person screaming; 2) try to scream back (in either Japanese or English, which obviously doesn't help either way); 3) wait calmly for the screaming person to finish, tap the disc in, and continue playing. With no observers, players under WFDF rules have two options for a call: "contest" or "no contest". The Japanese were trying to play ultimate and keep the game moving while the Canadians were just arguing calls like a bunch of 5 year-olds throwing temper tantrums. You're crazy if you think the Canadians were about to enter into a civil discussion with the Japanese. For being so impatient when he injured a player, Saunkeah acted like a complete hypocrite by slowing the game down to yell at Japan's #2 with Lindquist on the contested stall at 104:20 (when he wasn't anywhere near the incident). The Japanese didn't always make the right call, but they didn't gang up on the opposing team and try to shout them down. The Japanese made the right decision to stick to their calls and not get shouted down by the angry monkeys.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119245 is a reply to message #119233] Mon, 06 August 2012 15:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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tk08 wrote on Mon, 06 August 2012 10:00
I am actually shocked we weren't awarded the Spirit trophy.

Aside from the back to back backpacks (which were bad late bids) and Andy getting the shot to the neck (cheap one) the rest of that game is a typical chippy game that isn't uncommon. Those types of games are brutal to watch and be a part of but it happens life goes on.

Thomas Kuhn - Spirit champion of the world !



Funny that the regular FG players remain silent on this issue.

Menzies, Loach: we know you read RSD !
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119280 is a reply to message #119245] Tue, 07 August 2012 08:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JohnAllen
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i am really surprised by all of this outcry. this was a team led by furious george players, they've done this before and they'll do it again. this is how they play, and they're comfortable with it. watch any game of theirs: if there is someone open deep, the mark will be hacked. any bid is acceptable, even if they're going through legs. with some truth (emphasis on some), they respond that everyone else does it anyway. not sure what the goal here is, but i'm fairly certain that they are not going to change anything here.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119285 is a reply to message #119233] Tue, 07 August 2012 08:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
charliehongkong
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I think there should be more focus on the play that Thomas Kuhn made. I don't know if it helps the context, but he personally told me BEFORE the game that he was going to foul the Japanese no matter what. On top of this, he has been taking Japanese lessons and should be considered at least conversationally fluent. He has already been banned from Calgary and Canmore Leagues due to his atrociously poor spirit. If anyone should get international sanctions, it is he!

On Monday, August 6, 2012 11:00:50 AM UTC-6, sirtho...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am actually shocked we weren't awarded the Spirit trophy.
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> Aside from the back to back backpacks (which were bad late bids) and Andy getting the shot to the neck (cheap one) the rest of that game is a typical chippy game that isn't uncommon. Those types of games are brutal to watch and be a part of but it happens life goes on.
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> Thomas Kuhn - Spirit champion of the world !
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119300 is a reply to message #119285] Tue, 07 August 2012 12:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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charliehongkong wrote on Tue, 07 August 2012 08:27
I think there should be more focus on the play that Thomas Kuhn made. I don't know if it helps the context, but he personally told me BEFORE the game that he was going to foul the Japanese no matter what. On top of this, he has been taking Japanese lessons and should be considered at least conversationally fluent. He has already been banned from Calgary and Canmore Leagues due to his atrociously poor spirit. If anyone should get international sanctions, it is he!


http://www.ultimaterob.com/2012/05/16/ultimate-frisbee-world -champion-thomas-kuhn-talks-about-the-2012-canadian-open-tea m/


Look at the right leg: he's stepping on a Japanese Voodoo doll.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119314 is a reply to message #118994] Tue, 07 August 2012 15:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
smntstatus
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Jeff Lindquist responds to me:

"I only wanted to get across that I believe it's irresponsible to discuss the brutal hits of Canada in that game without at least noting that it was in retaliation to what the Canadian players viewed as cheating by Japan, and not some systematic way that Canada chose to play or anything like that. That's all. If you mention that, you can say whatever you want as far as I am concerned.

I didn't talk about the 10 count because a contested 10 count in the middle of a game would not be worth talking about in any other game, and I don't think it's any more in this one. he said he got it off before I said 10 but I was/am sure he didn't. but now I look and it was a pretty fast count. I'm actually curious to know if he realized it was a fast count any more than I did. Both our heart rates were probably running pretty high at that moment.

I'm not very good at the internet. I neither meant to come off testy nor defensive. I just would like the whole picture. I don't even mean to suggest that the whole picture makes it that much better anyway, but it should be there."
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119347 is a reply to message #119300] Wed, 08 August 2012 12:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
charliehongkong
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Not a doll, that was an actual Japanese baby!

On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 1:15:06 PM UTC-6, Euh wrote:
> charliehongkong wrote on Tue, 07 August 2012 08:27
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> > but he personally told me BEFORE the game that he was
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> > he has been taking Japanese lessons and should be
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> > considered at least conversationally fluent. He has
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> > already been banned from Calgary and Canmore Leagues due
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> Look at the right leg: he's stepping on a Japanese Voodoo
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Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #119350 is a reply to message #119347] Wed, 08 August 2012 13:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EuhNGroups
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charliehongkong wrote on Wed, 08 August 2012 12:44
Not a doll, that was an actual Japanese baby!



You mentioned that you spoke with him before the game/tourney...How come you hang out with an alleged child molester ?
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #122852 is a reply to message #118994] Wed, 31 October 2012 12:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
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https://www.facebook.com/usaultimate

Furious George, dead last in sportsmanship in open, tied for worst with Blackbird & Ozone across all divisions.

In Lou's recent Skyd piece & FG's sanctimonious spirit lecture/apology on their blog, it's pretty clear the core of that team has not learned any lessons from the Japanada game.

http://skydmagazine.com/2012/10/the-monkey-on-our-backs/


Thoughts?
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #122853 is a reply to message #122852] Wed, 31 October 2012 12:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ryan3thompson
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USA Ultimate spirit ranking guidelines below. Furious ranked between 3
and 4:

4 – Respect shown throughout the game towards opponents, officials,
and spectators. For the level of play, showed above average knowledge
of the rules and abided by them throughout the game. Any conflicts
were resolved favorably and without incident. Opposing team's conduct
did not detract from our enjoyment of the game. The opposing team
played fairly and with a good attitude.

3 – Generally exhibited respect towards opponents, officials, and
spectators. For the level of play, showed adequate knowledge of the
rules and abided by them during the game. Any conflicts were resolved
plainly and without incident. Opposing team's conduct generally did
not detract from our enjoyment of the game. The opposing team
generally played fairly and with a decent attitude.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #122855 is a reply to message #122852] Wed, 31 October 2012 12:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EuhNGroups
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Senior Member
Knappy wrote on Wed, 31 October 2012 12:31
https://www.facebook.com/usaultimate

Furious George, dead last in sportsmanship in open, tied for worst with Blackbird & Ozone across all divisions.

In Lou's recent Skyd piece & FG's sanctimonious spirit lecture/apology on their blog, it's pretty clear the core of that team has not learned any lessons from the Japanada game.

http://skydmagazine.com/2012/10/the-monkey-on-our-backs/


Thoughts?



It's not like Lou, and all the (ex-)Sockeye like the Wiggins Bro, are unbiased on this issue.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #122856 is a reply to message #122853] Wed, 31 October 2012 12:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EuhNGroups
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ryan3thompson wrote on Wed, 31 October 2012 12:36
USA Ultimate spirit ranking guidelines below. Furious ranked between 3
and 4:


The standard deviation might be more meaningful than the average.
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #122860 is a reply to message #122853] Wed, 31 October 2012 13:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
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nice spin.

3.29/5 & lowest out of 16 open teams

Does that sound like a team looking to make a statement about how they have changed for the better?
Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #122861 is a reply to message #122860] Wed, 31 October 2012 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jed
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Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
I've always felt that spirit scores say more about the team giving them than the team getting them.

On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:05:10 PM UTC-4, Knappy wrote:
> nice spin.
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Re: How dare you, Morgan Hibbert [message #122874 is a reply to message #122860] Wed, 31 October 2012 16:31 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Krishna
Messages: 98
Registered: October 2008
Member
Knappy wrote on Wed, 31 October 2012 16:02
nice spin.

3.29/5 & lowest out of 16 open teams

Does that sound like a team looking to make a statement about how they have changed for the better?


I played Furious in a game where they went down early 2-6 and could have tried to make to calls to claw back, but didn't and played it straight up and won. When I made a call they disagreed with, we had a calm conversation and I took it back.

I also noticed a few instances of players on Furious making questionable calls, and their team mates telling them to take it back.

None of this is extraordinarily note worthy, but given the criticism I thought I would mention it.

Spirit scores at tournaments are pretty meaningless...
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