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WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118433] Fri, 13 July 2012 23:32 Go to next message
seanc
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USA up on Great Britain 7 - 2 at the moment.

anyone watching? how's game look? obviously one-sided? is GB playing better than the score would indicate?

will players on the USA offensive line need to join the defensive squad in order to get playing time?

sean
Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118434 is a reply to message #118433] Fri, 13 July 2012 23:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CBrowning
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Pretty sloppy from both sides. I think they just said 21 total turnovers in the game, and only 3 forced D's. Great Britain looks way over matched.
Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118435 is a reply to message #118433] Fri, 13 July 2012 23:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CBrowning
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Pretty sloppy game. 22 Turnovers in the half per the commentators. Great Britain has had a ton of open drops and bad decision throwaways. Last point of the half USA catches a huck about 20 ft outside the endzone, and play is stopped on a travel call. Great Britain then transitions into some bizarre zone where they don't pressure the marks at all. USA just slowly inches closer and closer before throwing a 3 footer to take half.
Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118437 is a reply to message #118435] Sat, 14 July 2012 03:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EuhNGroups
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17 - 5 Revolver


Has to be (one of) the most one-sided-boring final ever.
Ultimate on the world scene is like women hockey: 2-3 real contenders, the others are just happy to be there.

Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118443 is a reply to message #118437] Sat, 14 July 2012 07:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
seanc
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On Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:00:04 AM UTC-7, Euh wrote:
> 17 - 5 Revolver
>
>
> Has to be (one of) the most one-sided-boring final ever.
> Ultimate on the world scene is like women hockey: 2-3 real
> contenders, the others are just happy to be there.
>
>
> --
> Posted from http://www.rsdnospam.com

interesting to see japan go 9-1 and end up in fifth place. sweden, otoh, goes 4-5 (-10 goal differential) and comes in fourth.

still, there were at least four contenders:
usa
canada
japan
australia

sean
Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118444 is a reply to message #118443] Sat, 14 July 2012 07:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
homrbush
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How is this different than Southpaw going 4-5 at Nationals in 2011 and 2-5 in 2010, yet finishing top 8 both years? When you win your games is just as important as how many.
Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118455 is a reply to message #118444] Sat, 14 July 2012 13:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rsdaccount
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Everyone who plays knows how good those teams are (or aren't) regardless of where they place.
Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118462 is a reply to message #118455] Sat, 14 July 2012 18:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bslade86
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Is there a bracket somewhere that shows the quarters/semis/finals results? Couldn't find a score reporter cousin on the WUGC website, but I may be looking in the wrong place.
Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118465 is a reply to message #118433] Sat, 14 July 2012 18:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dutchkaizen
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http:// wugc2012.org/english/index.php/competition/results?lang=en&a mp;orurl=/fdsys/pscore/scv_group/open/34
Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118481 is a reply to message #118465] Sun, 15 July 2012 10:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Josh
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On Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:45:04 PM UTC-4, dutchy wrote:
> http://
> wugc2012.org/english/index.php/competition/results?lang=en&a mp;amp;a
> mp;orurl=/fdsys/pscore/scv_group/open/34
> --
> Posted from http://www.rsdnospam.com

WOW, I wish I could have seen the USA/Canada semis. Seemed like the game of the tournament. Much better than the finals.
Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118489 is a reply to message #118481] Sun, 15 July 2012 14:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aden
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Not even close. Game of the tournament was definitely Australia vs US in power pools. Perhaps the most entertaining game I've ever seen and it ended in a fitting fashion. USA vs Canada was good (top 10 games I've ever seen streamed) but the Aussies are definitely number 1.
Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118496 is a reply to message #118489] Sun, 15 July 2012 20:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
seanc
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On Sunday, July 15, 2012 2:55:04 PM UTC-7, Aden wrote:
> Not even close. Game of the tournament was definitely
> Australia vs US in power pools. Perhaps the most
> entertaining game I've ever seen and it ended in a fitting
> fashion. USA vs Canada was good (top 10 games I've ever
> seen streamed) but the Aussies are definitely number 1.
> --
> Posted from http://www.rsdnospam.com

to be sure, usa vs canada was better than the finals, but i agree the usa vs australia was the best of the three, complete with nail biter finish. the us - canada game came down to the wire, but the ending was a little anti-climactic.

sean
Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118498 is a reply to message #118433] Sun, 15 July 2012 21:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thundercats
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I watched every NGN game VOD (but no ulti.tv), and I thought that the three best games to watch were:

USA v Australia (open)
GB v Sweden (open)
USA v Japan (women's)

They were all tight games with fantastic play.

I also liked the first game (Japan v, um, NZ? - open). It wasn't a close game, but it featured tight offense that I found beautiful to watch.
Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118550 is a reply to message #118489] Mon, 16 July 2012 19:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Josh
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On Jul 15, 5:55 pm, Aden <ade...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not even close.  Game of the tournament was definitely
> Australia vs US in power pools.  Perhaps the most
> entertaining game I've ever seen and it ended in a fitting
> fashion.  USA vs Canada was good (top 10 games I've ever
> seen streamed) but the Aussies are definitely number 1.
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com

Dang I didn't see that game. Is there a recap somewhere? I'd love to
read about it/stream it for free..
Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118551 is a reply to message #118550] Mon, 16 July 2012 19:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Josh
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On Jul 16, 10:53 pm, Josh <jmnorri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 15, 5:55 pm, Aden <ade...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Not even close.  Game of the tournament was definitely
> > Australia vs US in power pools.  Perhaps the most
> > entertaining game I've ever seen and it ended in a fitting
> > fashion.  USA vs Canada was good (top 10 games I've ever
> > seen streamed) but the Aussies are definitely number 1.
> > --
> > Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
>
> Dang I didn't see that game.  Is there a recap somewhere?  I'd love to
> read about it/stream it for free..

Whoops.....

http://skydmagazine.com/2012/07/worlds-2012-team-usa-survive s-australia-day-5/
Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118582 is a reply to message #118551] Tue, 17 July 2012 14:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
glrny
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Just wanted to voice a couple of opinions on the WUGC final (coming from someone very close to the GB team).

Based on experience (and having played against revolver a number of times), I was expecting 17-11,12,13 maybe. Despite some of the comments here, the gulf is not that big, though it is still admittedly a gulf.

I think the biggest factor was nerves - which did for GB at the euros, coming second to a very experienced Sweden team. Unfortunately the only way to get experience for finals is to play in finals...something GB only does twice in its cycle on a serious level.

Another factor, probably more dangerous, was the fact that no-one thought we'd get anywhere near the final. Silver was such a result that not winning the final may not have felt like a loss. When you come into a game not absolutely, needing-in-your-bones desperate to win, you're already a few points down. Which against USA/Revolver is of course terminal.

Finally, I was torn on what I thought about USA's injured players coming on towards the end. Whilst it's great that these players care enough about representing their country and have enough respect for the tournament to want to come on for at least a point.....god, way to kick a guy while he's down. It was approaching a lack of respect to be honest - "we're beating you so hard we can field a crock and still win". But like I said, you don't want to deny a guy his point in the title winning game. The jury's out for me....

PS. an unrelated question - how is it OK for certain players (eg Gabe Saunkeah) to play for one country one year, and another one in the next tournament? By all means play for a country you're not from (GB guilty as charged), but switching a couple of years later? Does he have dual nationality (which I though wasn't possible in the US)? Or is it simply a case of 'club over country' - indicative of the second-rate nature of this tournament in the north american calendar?
Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118585 is a reply to message #118582] Tue, 17 July 2012 21:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
seanc
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On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:19:59 PM UTC-7, glrny wrote:
> Just wanted to voice a couple of opinions on the WUGC final
> (coming from someone very close to the GB team).
>
> Based on experience (and having played against revolver a
> number of times), I was expecting 17-11,12,13 maybe. Despite
> some of the comments here, the gulf is not that big, though
> it is still admittedly a gulf.
>
> I think the biggest factor was nerves - which did for GB at
> the euros, coming second to a very experienced Sweden team.
> Unfortunately the only way to get experience for finals is
> to play in finals...something GB only does twice in its
> cycle on a serious level.
>
> Another factor, probably more dangerous, was the fact that
> no-one thought we&#39;d get anywhere near the final. Silver was
> such a result that not winning the final may not have felt
> like a loss. When you come into a game not absolutely,
> needing-in-your-bones desperate to win, you&#39;re already a few
> points down. Which against USA/Revolver is of course
> terminal.
>
> Finally, I was torn on what I thought about USA&#39;s injured
> players coming on towards the end. Whilst it&#39;s great that
> these players care enough about representing their country
> and have enough respect for the tournament to want to come
> on for at least a point.....god, way to kick a guy while
> he&#39;s down. It was approaching a lack of respect to be honest
> - &quot;we&#39;re beating you so hard we can field a crock and still
> win&quot;. But like I said, you don&#39;t want to deny a guy his
> point in the title winning game. The jury&#39;s out for me....
>
> PS. an unrelated question - how is it OK for certain players
> (eg Gabe Saunkeah) to play for one country one year, and
> another one in the next tournament? By all means play for a
> country you&#39;re not from (GB guilty as charged), but
> switching a couple of years later? Does he have dual
> nationality (which I though wasn&#39;t possible in the US)? Or
> is it simply a case of &#39;club over country&#39; - indicative of
> the second-rate nature of this tournament in the north
> american calendar?
> --
> Posted from http://www.rsdnospam.com

thanks for the insight into great britain's state of mind.

the answer to your PS was written in another thread: apparently each country is allowed a certain number of players (3?) on the roster who are long-term inhabitants of said country (greater than or equal to 7 years, maybe?). saunkeah plays with the furious guys all the time (as far back as 2003 according to ultivillage), so it's not like he's a complete mercenary. also, despite your assertion, it didn't look to me as though the teams who represented the usa and canada considered the tournament to be at all second-rate..

sean
Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118591 is a reply to message #118585] Wed, 18 July 2012 04:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aden
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Dual citizenship is definitely possible for the US. I've been a dual Aussie/American since I was born.
Re: WUGC Open Finals USA vs GB [message #118656 is a reply to message #118591] Fri, 20 July 2012 07:14 Go to previous message
Brummie
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Hi. I am one of the GB Open players and coach. Interesting thread. All thoughts are mine alone.

Firstly, we blew it. Hugely. We were all in the game of our lives, and the nerves clearly got to us. Anyone who had seen previous games would have realised that we are not the kind of team that drops gut passes routinely; USA rarely had to get a block against our O line, we were just giving it away. Once that doubt set in, we just could not recover. A few spirited individual fighting performances could not hold back Revolver; only playing as a team at our best would we expect to win that one. Maybe next time.

A few thoughts while I am here. Firstly, we watched USA in previous games, and were fairly unimpressed frankly. Yet when we played them, we found them to be the most athletic team we had met; far above Australia, Canada, or Japan. USA`s O line got the disc back with a number of really nice blocks, and I suspect they are the kind of team that saves themselves for the big games and were only really coasting previously, or at least warming up slowly in some games. They played great shutdown defence that forced us into high stall turns that we had not struggled with all tournament long. Credit where it is due, they are a true champion and well deserve their title.

All of that said, if we played catch a little better then you may have had a game on your hands.

To those saying "sloppy game"; the wind was really strong. I mean, fierce. More than on Thursday (quarters), when Sweden beat Japan in an upwind-downwind contest. A few of the upwind pulls made it into the other half, that kind of wind. The stadium also resulted in some choppy and unpredictable winds. So yeah, sloppy game, but USA proved themselves to be stronger in those conditions. Same as Sweden proved they are better than Japan, GB proved they are better than Australia, etc in the strong winds on Thursday. Talk of "true contenders" is pretty nonsensical IMO. If Australia gave USA a close game in pools, that means absolutely nothing (although it does sound like a good spectacle and I will get around to watching it when I return to the UK). But - Australia did not win, so no effect on the matchups in quarters. Japan beat Canada in pools, which (potentially) robbed Canada of a matchup with USA in the final instead of semis. But Canada know that it was in their hands, and they lost when it mattered; same as Japan, Australia, etc. Whether or not you think a team is "better" than another really doesn`t matter, because sport is not fair. It does not matter who is "best", it is about who wins.

Believe me, everyone in GB Open is disappointed with the way we represented our country in the final at Worlds (if you can read that statement without understanding the significane of the moment, then you probably don`t understand where I am coming from). It is a huge honour to wear that shirt, and no other GB team has ever achieved what we did. We have a team of young guys, and they will learn from this; in four years time, maybe we will get a result in the final we can all be proud of.

Finally, I would like to say that I was thoroughly impressed with the way that our opponents played with regards to Spirit of the Game; we had tough battles with Japan, Canada, Sweden and Australia that all ended friendly, and USA also proved themselves to be great ambassadors with fair play in the final. It is great to see such high standard play without the need for 3rd party officials, even with some cultural differences. A true victory for the sport.

Brummie.
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