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First ever real-time box score [message #114330] Sat, 21 April 2012 16:55 Go to next message
mliu
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The first ever real-time box score for Ultimate is going on right now! The score keeper is only taking stats for the Indianapolis AlleyCats, but I'd still like to think this is the best real-time data we've had for Ultimate yet. Let me know what you think!

https://www.leaguevine.com/games/21857/



Mark Liu
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Re: First ever real-time box score [message #114331 is a reply to message #114330] Sat, 21 April 2012 17:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sunwalker
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On an unrelated note, I wish the goliveultimate broadcast showed the running clock -_-
Re: First ever real-time box score [message #114332 is a reply to message #114330] Sat, 21 April 2012 17:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Josh Seamon
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Way cool! Good work!
Re: First ever real-time box score [message #114346 is a reply to message #114332] Sun, 22 April 2012 13:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mliu
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Thanks Josh!

The Mechanix are taking stats for their game right now. Here's their play-by-play in case you're interested: https://www.leaguevine.com/games/21859/playbyplay/



Mark Liu
Leaguevine Co-founder
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Re: First ever real-time box score [message #114349 is a reply to message #114346] Sun, 22 April 2012 13:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Josh Seamon
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Cool, thanks for the update Mark.
Re: First ever real-time box score [message #114352 is a reply to message #114349] Sun, 22 April 2012 13:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Josh Seamon
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A couple thoughts on how to improve the live updates:

1) Reverse the order of the updates -- have the newest updates at the top. When you refresh the page, you have to scroll way down to get the new info.

2) Could you push the updates out to the page as they happen? (Helps me avoid hitting refresh so often.)
Re: First ever real-time box score [message #114359 is a reply to message #114352] Sun, 22 April 2012 14:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mliu
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Thanks for the suggestions, Josh. After following the games today and yesterday I agree with you on both of these points. The first one is very simple to do and I'll implement that right away. I'm adding the second to our product timeline so you'll see it there eventually.



Mark Liu
Leaguevine Co-founder
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Re: First ever real-time box score [message #114363 is a reply to message #114359] Sun, 22 April 2012 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Josh Seamon
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Very cool, thanks Mark!

Related to the autoupdate request, maybe you could have a Twitter account Tweet each game update -- That way people can use whatever Twitter client they prefer to get the live updates?

One other thought -- maybe paginate the game report page so that not all of the lines come up after a certain point? Maybe, display 50 per page, with a clickable option to see everything on one page? I don't know how it impacts page load times to load a long list of results for every update, but I would imagine it would improve things to not have to display the whole game summary on each refresh. Most people probably aren't going to scroll through anything beyond the latest 50 or so entries on every update.
Re: First ever real-time box score [message #114365 is a reply to message #114363] Sun, 22 April 2012 15:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mliu
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I like the idea of posting all of the updates to Twitter. Do you have any suggestions for how to handle the case where multiple games are going on at the same time? I feel like if we post absolutely everything to one Twitter account it will get overwhelming. Each AUDL game results in about 700 game updates, so if we have a bunch of those going on along with a bunch of non-AUDL games, it would likely be too noisy to be useful or interesting.

I'll look into how much pagination improves the page loading time and consider making this change too.

Thanks for the suggestions!



Mark Liu
Leaguevine Co-founder
http://leaguevine.com
http://twitter.com/leaguevine
http://facebook.com/leaguevine
Re: First ever real-time box score [message #114366 is a reply to message #114359] Sun, 22 April 2012 15:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Twoorii
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It might just be for me, but once the scores got into double digits they became too wide for their box and stacked on top of each other (text wrapped?)

It went
9-8

10-8

10-9

10-
10



Anyway that all of the substitutions could be entered at once? Kinda sucks to see 14 spots filled up with substitutions, just list all the names and then have an "out."
Re: First ever real-time box score [message #114367 is a reply to message #114365] Sun, 22 April 2012 15:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Josh Seamon
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mliu wrote on Sun, 22 April 2012 15:32
I like the idea of posting all of the updates to Twitter. Do you have any suggestions for how to handle the case where multiple games are going on at the same time? I feel like if we post absolutely everything to one Twitter account it will get overwhelming. Each AUDL game results in about 700 game updates, so if we have a bunch of those going on along with a bunch of non-AUDL games, it would likely be too noisy to be useful or interesting.


Yah... that would be a pretty noisy feed. Hrmmm... you could have create a few generic game feeds. Something like: @LVgame1, @LVgame2, etc. ?



mliu wrote on Sun, 22 April 2012 15:32

I'll look into how much pagination improves the page loading time and consider making this change too.


Cool.


mliu wrote on Sun, 22 April 2012 15:32

Thanks for the suggestions!


Thank for the great service!

Now... if the AUDL could polish up their online offerings to be as smooth as yours, I'd be truly happy Smile
Re: First ever real-time box score [message #114368 is a reply to message #114367] Sun, 22 April 2012 15:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mliu
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Josh Seamon wrote on Sun, 22 April 2012 15:38
mliu wrote on Sun, 22 April 2012 15:32
I like the idea of posting all of the updates to Twitter. Do you have any suggestions for how to handle the case where multiple games are going on at the same time? I feel like if we post absolutely everything to one Twitter account it will get overwhelming. Each AUDL game results in about 700 game updates, so if we have a bunch of those going on along with a bunch of non-AUDL games, it would likely be too noisy to be useful or interesting.


Yah... that would be a pretty noisy feed. Hrmmm... you could have create a few generic game feeds. Something like: @LVgame1, @LVgame2, etc. ?


Hmm, I think having a bunch of generic Twitter handles would end up being pretty confusing and I'm not sure many people would want to follow them. We do have plans to build more customization for how to receive real-time updates, so I'll keep these ideas in mind as we proceed. One thing a developer in Amsterdam has in the works is a module to send automated text-messages to players that tells them their schedule and what field their next game is on. This is open source so one option is to use or modify that in the future.

For developers reading this, Chris' repository is open source and is on github. You can find other open sourced Leaguevine projects on our github page.

Josh Seamon wrote on Sun, 22 April 2012 15:38

mliu wrote on Sun, 22 April 2012 15:32

Thanks for the suggestions!


Thank for the great service!

Now... if the AUDL could polish up their online offerings to be as smooth as yours, I'd be truly happy Smile


A few of the teams do have web developers in their organization and we hope to integrate some of our data into their sites! There are some club teams we'll be doing this with as well this season, and we hope it reduces the burden of all the teams having to write lots of static HTML to put up scores, schedules, and stats.



Mark Liu
Leaguevine Co-founder
http://leaguevine.com
http://twitter.com/leaguevine
http://facebook.com/leaguevine
Re: First ever real-time box score [message #114370 is a reply to message #114368] Sun, 22 April 2012 16:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Josh Seamon
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mliu wrote on Sun, 22 April 2012 15:58

Hmm, I think having a bunch of generic Twitter handles would end up being pretty confusing and I'm not sure many people would want to follow them.


That's a great point. Very true. Hrmmmm... I'm not sure what would work best.


mliu wrote on Sun, 22 April 2012 15:58

We do have plans to build more customization for how to receive real-time updates, so I'll keep these ideas in mind as we proceed. One thing a developer in Amsterdam has in the works is a module to send automated text-messages to players that tells them their schedule and what field their next game is on. This is open source so one option is to use or modify that in the future.


Way cool!


mliu wrote on Sun, 22 April 2012 15:58

A few of the teams do have web developers in their organization and we hope to integrate some of our data into their sites! There are some club teams we'll be doing this with as well this season, and we hope it reduces the burden of all the teams having to write lots of static HTML to put up scores, schedules, and stats.


Excellent! Keep up the great work!
Re: First ever real-time box score [message #114371 is a reply to message #114366] Sun, 22 April 2012 16:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mliu
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Twoorii wrote on Sun, 22 April 2012 15:35
It might just be for me, but once the scores got into double digits they became too wide for their box and stacked on top of each other (text wrapped?)

It went
9-8

10-8

10-9

10-
10


Fixed. I just pushed the change a second ago: https://www.leaguevine.com/games/21859/playbyplay/

Twoorii wrote on Sun, 22 April 2012 15:35

Anyway that all of the substitutions could be entered at once? Kinda sucks to see 14 spots filled up with substitutions, just list all the names and then have an "out."


Excellent suggestion. I agree that it's kind of annoying that so much of the play-by-play is taken up by substitutions right now. This is now added to our list of things to do.



Mark Liu
Leaguevine Co-founder
http://leaguevine.com
http://twitter.com/leaguevine
http://facebook.com/leaguevine
Re: First ever real-time box score [message #114373 is a reply to message #114371] Sun, 22 April 2012 16:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Josh Seamon
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mliu wrote on Sun, 22 April 2012 16:11

Fixed. I just pushed the change a second ago:


Wonderful!

Now, if all the software people I deal with every week were as speedy as you are! Wink
Re: First ever real-time box score [message #114641 is a reply to message #114365] Tue, 24 April 2012 13:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mmpmmp
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mliu wrote on Sun, 22 April 2012 15:32
I like the idea of posting all of the updates to Twitter. Do you have any suggestions for how to handle the case where multiple games are going on at the same time? I feel like if we post absolutely everything to one Twitter account it will get overwhelming. Each AUDL game results in about 700 game updates, so if we have a bunch of those going on along with a bunch of non-AUDL games, it would likely be too noisy to be useful or interesting.

I'll look into how much pagination improves the page loading time and consider making this change too.

Thanks for the suggestions!


Some ideas that come to mind...
1. Use one twitter account for each league/category of game. For example, an AUDL feed, an open feed, a D1 feed, etc.

2. If necessary, filter the feed for twitter to show the "more important" updates.

3. Make a twitter account for each team and
a. send every update to both feeds for a game (bad if someone follows both teams), or
b. send each update to only one team (e.g. the offensive team) and people need to follow both teams to see the whole game.

4. Don't use these twitter accounts for anything else except for live game updates (this one is important Smile

5. Let people mix and match between 1 and 3 by allowing whoever sets up the game in LV to assign whatever twitter account(s) they want for the live feed (within reason).
Re: First ever real-time box score [message #115124 is a reply to message #114641] Mon, 30 April 2012 18:53 Go to previous message
mliu
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Some ideas that come to mind...
1. Use one twitter account for each league/category of game. For example, an AUDL feed, an open feed, a D1 feed, etc.

2. If necessary, filter the feed for twitter to show the "more important" updates.

3. Make a twitter account for each team and
a. send every update to both feeds for a game (bad if someone follows both teams), or
b. send each update to only one team (e.g. the offensive team) and people need to follow both teams to see the whole game.

4. Don't use these twitter accounts for anything else except for live game updates (this one is important

5. Let people mix and match between 1 and 3 by allowing whoever sets up the game in LV to assign whatever twitter account(s) they want for the live feed (within reason).


Sorry I just noticed this response now. Thanks for the thoughts on this! It'll be a bit until we get around to implementing features like this since right now we're really focused on making the stats experience as useful and fun as possible. But we still save these comments and take them into consideration when the time comes.



Mark Liu
Leaguevine Co-founder
http://leaguevine.com
http://twitter.com/leaguevine
http://facebook.com/leaguevine
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