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When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #108645] Sat, 24 December 2011 09:14 Go to next message
kenneth44
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The voting is over and Peter McCarthy has lost his $100 HoF bet. In lieu of direct payment to me, please make a $100 contribution to Ultimate Peace.

http://www.ultimatepeace.org/donate/

Thank You and Happy Holidays to All

-KD
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #108651 is a reply to message #108645] Sat, 24 December 2011 23:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bobus
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This tangled web of bets is confucius! I thought the bet was between Peter and Toad. Was there a side bet? And does this mean you're IN the hall?

Whatever... good for Ultimate Peace and good for you. Though I would've really enjoyed the irony if it had been Toad donating to an organization that supports SOTG so strongly.

I don't know Peter from Adam, but hopefully he doesn't welsh on his bets like someone else we know...
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #108653 is a reply to message #108651] Sun, 25 December 2011 08:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dbarkan52
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Thank you for thinking of UP, Ken! And congratulations on making the
HoF! The 2013 induction in Sarasota will be an incredible gathering.

It's not too late to donate to Ultimate Peace in 2011. We need all the
help we can get.

www.ultimatepeace.org/donate

DB


On Dec 24, 11:05 pm, Bobus <roblo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This tangled web of bets is confucius!  I thought the bet
> was between Peter and Toad.  Was there a side bet?  And does
> this mean you're IN the hall?
>
> Whatever... good for Ultimate Peace and good for you.
> Though I would've really enjoyed the irony if it had been
> Toad donating to an organization that supports SOTG so
> strongly.
>
> I don't know Peter from Adam, but hopefully he doesn't welsh
> on his bets like someone else we know...
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #108658 is a reply to message #108645] Sun, 25 December 2011 17:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Douglas T Lilley
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On Dec 24, 12:15 pm, kenneth44 <kdob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The voting is over and Peter McCarthy has lost his $100 HoF
> bet. In lieu of direct payment to me, please make a $100
> contribution to Ultimate Peace.
>
> http://www.ultimatepeace.org/donate/
>
> Thank You and Happy Holidays to All
>
> -KD

Alright Ken, I just went and donated $30 to Ultimate Peace because of
this. Congrats on the HOF, you deserved that shit long ago.
Doug Lilley
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #108659 is a reply to message #108651] Sun, 25 December 2011 19:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
seanc
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On Dec 24, 11:05 pm, Bobus <roblo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This tangled web of bets is confucius!  I thought the bet
> was between Peter and Toad.  Was there a side bet?  And does
> this mean you're IN the hall?
>
> Whatever... good for Ultimate Peace and good for you.
> Though I would've really enjoyed the irony if it had been
> Toad donating to an organization that supports SOTG so
> strongly.
>
> I don't know Peter from Adam, but hopefully he doesn't welsh
> on his bets like someone else we know...
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com

this is the most up-to-date info i could find from the usau site:
http://www.usaultimate.org/news/2011-hall-of-fame-slate-of-8 -selected--your-feedback-requested/

notes that dobyns is a finalist, and that voting amongst the finalist
ends december 11th, but doesn't list who won.

in any event, congrats!

sean
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #108661 is a reply to message #108658] Sun, 25 December 2011 20:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sanfordcw
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On Dec 25, 8:45 pm, "3Jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 24, 12:15 pm, kenneth44 <kdob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The voting is over and Peter McCarthy has lost his $100 HoF
> > bet. In lieu of direct payment to me, please make a $100
> > contribution to Ultimate Peace.
>
> >http://www.ultimatepeace.org/donate/
>
> > Thank You and Happy Holidays to All
>
> > -KD
>
> Alright Ken, I just went and donated $30 to Ultimate Peace because of
> this.  Congrats on the HOF, you deserved that shit long ago.
> Doug Lilley


While anyone should be commended for charitable donations of any
amount, you should have given $44 if it was really to honor Kenny.
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #108683 is a reply to message #108645] Tue, 27 December 2011 08:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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KD,

I'll wait till the HOF announcement has been made (Jan 3rd?) and then ask for your mailing address if you accept the HOF invitation.

Bet payment goes to you if you win...not the fundraiser of your choice,etc.

Toad still has time to restore his sports-betting honor on the other $100 bet.

Later,
Peter McCarthy
MDSC
Columbia, MO
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #108689 is a reply to message #108645] Tue, 27 December 2011 15:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ThaddeusGolaas
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Congratulations, Kenneth. The recognition is overdue and well deserved.
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #108690 is a reply to message #108683] Tue, 27 December 2011 15:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kenneth44
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Peter,

I suppose I can't blame you for waiting for the official announcement before paying off on your bet, but I can't say the same for your insistence that the payment come to me.

I mean, what kind of person refuses to make a contribution to a charitable organization that uses Ultimate and SOTG to promote peace in lieu of making a direct payment to a person whose spirit has been openly called into question on this very forum? Perhaps it's just your way of sticking to the terms of the bet. But then again...

Original language of the wager was yours:

<<I'd be willing to bet one person a $100 he doesn't get in the usa
ultimate hall of fame before 2020.>>

I replied:

<<I'll take that bet.>>

To which you replied:

<<Cool, consider it a bet.

If neither of us has a heart attack shoveling snow by 2020....or if KD
(you?) it in before then...we'll be in touch.

And no payment in pennies. Big bill(s) only payment. $100 bets are one
of the simple pleasures in life.>>

Then, after Toad got involved, you wrote:

<<1. Mr. Dobyns gets voted into the hof by 2020 and accepts (I lose).>>

Suddenly I didn't simply have to get in. I had to accept. One could argue you have already changed the terms after the fact. And since you made that change and I am letting it slide, how about you stop nitpicking and just make the contribution to UP?

-KD
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #108703 is a reply to message #108690] Wed, 28 December 2011 06:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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We can communicate after new years mr d.

Have a good week on that end.

Peter Mc
Midwest Disc Sports Collection
Columbia, MO
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #108706 is a reply to message #108703] Wed, 28 December 2011 06:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Reggie Fanelli
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> We can communicate after new years mr d.
~~~~~

--you can communicate about communicating later but you can't
communicate while communicating that you can communicate later?
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #108707 is a reply to message #108706] Wed, 28 December 2011 07:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jeffyg9495
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Summary:

Toad loses bet with PeterMc. PeterMc asks Toad to pay. Toad doesn't
pay. PeterMc uses every opportunity to call out Toad for not owning up
to his bet.

PeterMc loses bet with KD. KD asks PeterMc to pay. PeterMc says, "slow
down, let's talk about this later."

Spirit foul!
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #108710 is a reply to message #108707] Wed, 28 December 2011 10:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Seidler
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JG,
It makes sense for PeterMc, and everyone else, to wait for the official USAU announcement. PeterMc seems to indicate he will honor his bet. I give him a gold star.

PeterMc,
Send your payment to Ultimate Peace as Kenny requests.

Kenny,
Congrats (if it's true) and many thanks for highlighting Ultimate Peace. It's an awesome organization doing awesome things!
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #108721 is a reply to message #108645] Wed, 28 December 2011 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
AMW
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Donated per Corey's suggestion. Congrats, KD!
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110417 is a reply to message #108645] Tue, 31 January 2012 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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send me Your mailing address Ken....and i'll send the
100 lamtongues.


peter mc
mdsc
columbia mo

planet earth's premier public disc sports collection
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110418 is a reply to message #110417] Tue, 31 January 2012 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tebeweb
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I can give you Ken's address:

Ultimate Peace Inc.
78 Crittenden Hill Road
Shelburne Falls, MA 01370

And Ken spells his name "Ultimate Peace Inc" - he's weird that way.
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110450 is a reply to message #110418] Wed, 01 February 2012 20:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bobus
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Lance, you've always been a bit of a weird dude. But, hey, everyone is weird in their own way, so that shouldn't be held against you.

But don't be a douche. Nobody likes a douche. Just ask Toad and Reggie.
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110456 is a reply to message #108645] Thu, 02 February 2012 06:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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hey bobus,

it's really not that complicated man. I simply don't want to be denied paying off a cash debt to the new hall of famer mr. dobyns. A hall of famer who has been anticipated more than any candidate through the years.

I obviously have nothing against the UP mission. I'm all for such,etc.

I assumed Kenny D would get in the hof long ago...i just wanted to voice my opposition with a $100 bet when it happened. As someone who has been focused on disc sports since 1979, I wouldn't be honest with myself if I didn't voice some opposition to him getting in the hall of fame.

It's nothing personal against KD....it's just me showing opposition at this mile marker in our sport's history.

Him getting in the HOF brings us one notch closer to the mainstream sports mentality.

I mean come on dude....best i can tell Dobyns is the only usa ultimate hall of famer with a bio that alludes to his questionable sportsmanship/sotg.

Kenn's got aging rhino skin you know bobus.. he can surely take a ribbing typed out from a scrawny aging missouri player such as myself?


Props to the Ultimate Peace effort and all involved. Donate here or at least check out their information

Ultimate Peace website >>> http://www.ultimatepeace.org/donate/

Have a good day on that end bobus.

signed,
weird guy McCarthy
MDSC
Columbia, MO
MDSC

"Planet Earth's premier public disc sports collection. Bar none."
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110457 is a reply to message #110456] Thu, 02 February 2012 06:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Baer
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Lance Marput wrote on Thu, 02 February 2012 08:26
hey bobus,

it's really not that complicated man. I simply don't want to be denied paying off a cash debt to the new hall of famer mr. dobyns.


kenneth44 wrote on Sat, 24 December 2011 11:14
The voting is over and Peter McCarthy has lost his $100 HoF bet. In lieu of direct payment to me, please make a $100 contribution to Ultimate Peace.

http://www.ultimatepeace.org/donate/


kenneth44 wrote on Tue, 27 December 2011 17:50
Peter,

I suppose I can't blame you for waiting for the official announcement before paying off on your bet, but I can't say the same for your insistence that the payment come to me.

I mean, what kind of person refuses to make a contribution to a charitable organization that uses Ultimate and SOTG to promote peace in lieu of making a direct payment to a person whose spirit has been openly called into question on this very forum? Perhaps it's just your way of sticking to the terms of the bet. But then again...

Original language of the wager was yours:

<<I'd be willing to bet one person a $100 he doesn't get in the usa
ultimate hall of fame before 2020.>>

I replied:

<<I'll take that bet.>>

To which you replied:

<<Cool, consider it a bet.

If neither of us has a heart attack shoveling snow by 2020....or if KD
(you?) it in before then...we'll be in touch.

And no payment in pennies. Big bill(s) only payment. $100 bets are one
of the simple pleasures in life.>>

how about you stop nitpicking and just make the contribution to UP?



kenneth44 wrote on Thu, 05 January 2012 10:02
Peter,
As many have noticed, I have asked you several times to make a donation to Ultimate Peace for $100 rather than pay me directly. For some reason you seem unwilling to do this. There was never a stipulation in our bet that you would pay me directly - only that payment would be made with a crisp, $100 bill.

Still, since you seem to be digging in your heels on this one, my mailing address is:

Kenneth Dobyns
c/o Ultimate Peace, Inc.
78 Crittenden Hill Road
Shelburne Falls, MA 01370

Please send that crisp $100 bill registered mail, return receipt requested.


Lance Marput wrote on Thu, 05 January 2012 10:18
You'll see payment this month.


Lance Marput wrote on Thu, 05 January 2012 16:53
calm down nancys...i have his address...hell get cash
this month.


Lance Marput wrote on Tue, 31 January 2012 18:34
send me Your mailing address Ken....and i'll send the
100 lamtongues.



Lance Marput wrote on Thu, 02 February 2012 08:26
it's really not that complicated man.


Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110458 is a reply to message #110457] Thu, 02 February 2012 07:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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yeah, if i donated the $$ to ultimate peace i'd be condoning dobyn's pr move to wrap himself in good sportsmanship this late in the game....

peter mc
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110460 is a reply to message #110458] Thu, 02 February 2012 07:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jeffyg9495
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On Feb 2, 9:05 am, Lance Marput <lancemar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yeah, if i donated the $$ to ultimate peace i'd be condoning
> dobyn's pr move to wrap himself in good sportsmanship this
> late in the game....
>
> peter mc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1QzZ15-L38
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110465 is a reply to message #110458] Thu, 02 February 2012 08:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
keg
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFZG8KQJni8
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110474 is a reply to message #110465] Thu, 02 February 2012 10:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
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"yeah, if i donated the $$ to ultimate peace i'd be condoning dobyn's pr move to wrap himself in good sportsmanship this late in the game....

peter mc"

so, has the money been sent to KD?

also, I'm curious...did you ever play with/against KD?
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110475 is a reply to message #110474] Thu, 02 February 2012 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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nah, he hasn't given me the requested mailing address just yet so that $100 bill is still in my wallet.

nah, never competed against him. Knew nothing about him until i saw a popular frame by frame photo of him skying someone. Nice photo....don't know the photographer off the top of my head.

I've been a Missouri based player since 1980 except for a few years in HI & AK. Got crushed by Tunas and Windy City a few times (UFO & UPA Sectionals)...but never played NY NY of course.

what about you knappy....you ever compete against The NY bad boy himself?

Later,
Peter Mc
MDSC
Columbia,MO

"Archiving disc sports since 1997."

Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110480 is a reply to message #110456] Thu, 02 February 2012 17:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lance Marput wrote on Thu, 02 February 2012 12:36
he hasn't given me the requested mailing address just yet so that $100 bill is still in my wallet.

Well why won't he give you a mailing address?

kenneth44 wrote on Thu, 05 January 2012 10:02
Still, since you seem to be digging in your heels on this one, my mailing address is:

Kenneth Dobyns
c/o Ultimate Peace, Inc.
78 Crittenden Hill Road
Shelburne Falls, MA 01370

Please send that crisp $100 bill registered mail, return receipt requested.

Hmm seems complicated.

Lance Marput wrote on Thu, 02 February 2012 08:26
it's really not that complicated man.

Oh my bad...

Lance Marput wrote on Thu, 02 February 2012 08:26
It's nothing personal against KD....it's just me showing opposition at this mile marker in our sport's history.

Him getting in the HOF brings us one notch closer to the mainstream sports mentality.

I mean come on dude....best i can tell Dobyns is the only usa ultimate hall of famer with a bio that alludes to his questionable sportsmanship/sotg.

What does any of this have to do with your bet?

Lance Marput wrote on Thu, 02 February 2012 08:26
Kenn's got aging rhino skin you know bobus.. he can surely take a ribbing typed out from a scrawny aging missouri player such as myself?

It's probably the Adonis DNA, right bro!

Lance Marput wrote on Thu, 02 February 2012 08:26
Props to the Ultimate Peace effort and all involved. Donate here or at least check out their information

Ultimate Peace website >>> http://www.ultimatepeace.org/donate/

So we should all donate to Ultimate Peace.

But not you....

Has anyone pointed out that you shouldn't send paper money in the mail? Because that's just dumb....


----------------------------------------------
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9gFT1mEfZ8
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110484 is a reply to message #110480] Thu, 02 February 2012 19:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
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if you've never played against him, I find it curious why you would pronounce him to be unspirited. SOTG dictates you only make calls when you have best perspective, right?

i only played against Kenny at the very end of his career (I started playing club in my early 30's so missed out on his heyday.) he was on black molly, i was on Amp. Seemed like a nice guy to me. We had an interesting debate on sideline during the regional final about stall counts, but it was a civil exchange.




Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110493 is a reply to message #108645] Fri, 03 February 2012 06:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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Knappy typed...

"if you've never played against him, I find it curious why you would pronounce him to be unspirited."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

dude... the entire persona dobyns created back in the day reeks of poor sportsmanship/aggro-zealot

I'm impressed that the governing body of our sport made mention of it in his Hall of Fame bio. write up.

Maybe you should communicate with the USA Ultimate and ask them why they have been so unfair to your disc sport hero. Start a petition or something.

If dobyn's doesn't want to contact me with his mailing address in the next few weeks I'll meet him half way and donate half the bet owed him to Ultimate Peace.

Have a good weekend on that end.

Later,
Peter Mc
MDSC
Columbia, MO



Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110496 is a reply to message #110493] Fri, 03 February 2012 08:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mvuong
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So why not just donate all the bet like he wants? I don't even think he cares if it is donated in his name. Hell, donate it in the name of MDSC. I don't think it matters as long as you actually hold to your bet.
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110498 is a reply to message #110496] Fri, 03 February 2012 09:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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"So why not just donate all the bet like he wants?"

uhh....this isn't about giving KD what he wants mvuong. The bet was between KD and myself so I'd like to pay him the $100.... Not a third party, even if it's a great cause.

On Korians1 above comment about the dumb idea of sending $$ in the mail. For the first ~ 10 years of MDSC collection development I regularly sent cash through the mail and never got ripped off by a postal service worker or a E-bay seller I'd never met. It's so easy and fun dude.

I'm a very trusting person and this approach hasn't failed met yet,etc.

Later,
Peter Mc


Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110501 is a reply to message #110498] Fri, 03 February 2012 09:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Baer
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Peter:

Love what you do for disc sports, man, but you aren't looking good here.

Your bet with KD was publicized, repeatedly so, by your own fingers, and now you look like a guy who is welching on the bet, after repeatedly abusing Toad for the same thing previously. Toad's failure to pay up is not really surprising, becuase his douchebaggery is well known.

You lost this bet. The winner stated where he wanted the money to go. It's very simple. Your excuses not to live up to the terms of the bet are weak. RSD readers are only taking interest because of the entertainment value of human drama and pointing out hypocricy.

You dug your own hole. Stop digging. The poor spirit on display here is yours, not KD's.
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110505 is a reply to message #110501] Fri, 03 February 2012 10:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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publicizing with my own fingers...chuckling on this end. Yeah, i realized that Baer. Maybe we can talk about guerrilla marketing in person sometime.

Anyway, i just want to send kenny dobyns the $100 bill I owe him. As I mentioned before, if he doesn't want to accept the hof protest bet $$, I'll bend a little and send $50 to UP.



Later,
Peter Mc

Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110507 is a reply to message #110505] Fri, 03 February 2012 10:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Knappy
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Peter....you are proving you have no honor. How dare you sit in judgement about someone else's "spirit".

Really, I don't know KD well but I won't judge him based upon the perception of a handful of people who made anonymous accusations.

I will judge you based upon the very real evidence displayed here on RSD that you either a man without honor, or a wack job, or both.
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110509 is a reply to message #108645] Fri, 03 February 2012 11:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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come on knappy...that dog don't hunt dude.

i'm offering to pay the bet in cash to the guy i made a bet with. Sounds pretty honorable to me.

Dobyns is just playing his wily veteran routine by pushing my buttons.....the same sorta button pushing he was known for on the playing field.

Pushing his opponents buttons is something he touches on in the Skyd magazine interviews/monologues.

1st of the Dobyns Skyd magazine interviews/monologues here >>>

http://skydmagazine.com/2011/12/skydcast-ken-dobyns-nyny-par t-1/

Who'd a thunk sending a guy a $100 cash would be so darn gone hard.

later,
peter mc









Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110510 is a reply to message #110509] Fri, 03 February 2012 11:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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knappy typed: Really, I don't know KD well but I won't judge him based upon the perception of a handful of people who made anonymous accusations.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

For the record knappy, I wouldn't judge someone on anonymous claims either.

My opinion is based on experiences passed along by friends who competed against him. Plus the opinions of folks i haven't met....and his own words of course.

later,
Peter Mc
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110511 is a reply to message #110509] Fri, 03 February 2012 11:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mgd.mitch
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Lance Marput wrote on Fri, 03 February 2012 14:14

Who'd a thunk sending a guy a $100 cash would be so darn gone hard.

later,
peter mc
Who'd a thunk that in a contest between KD and anyone, that the "anyone" would be the complete #$%#.

It doesn't matter if KD is trying to make you bad, himself look better, or has completely selfless and honorable intentions. You made a bet. You lost. Pay the man by his requested terms.

The ironic thing is that the more you protest, the more attention this gets and the worse you look. You remind me of all the people that protested things like "The Last Temptation of Christ." You give your target more publicity and in the end, you look like a nut. Well, I guess in this case, even more of a nut than usual.

You've basically contested a call you know is legit, EVERYONE on the sidelines is booing your contest.... it's your move.
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110512 is a reply to message #110509] Fri, 03 February 2012 11:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ahgoff
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Lance - I don't get it. You have an option of paying or not. Kenny told you how to pay him. Send the check to Ultimate Peace. The fact that you haven't sent it so far doesn't make sense to me. The argument that he's pushing your buttons doesn't make sense to me either.

Let's see if we can make this more interesting. You send the full amount of the bet ($100) to Ultimate Peace by Monday morning, and I'll double it. Just post to the list that you put a check in the mail and that's good enough for me.

-Adam
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110513 is a reply to message #110511] Fri, 03 February 2012 11:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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you guys crack me up....have a good weekend.

peter mc
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110514 is a reply to message #110513] Fri, 03 February 2012 12:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If we replaced "Ultimate Peace" with "UOA," would we still defend Mr Dobbyns request of Mr Mc?

Or to take it further, what if we replaced "Ultimate Peace" with "White Revolution," one of the more violent American neo-Nazi groups.

This isn't Celebrity Jeopardy, and no one made/accepted the wager on behalf of his favorite charity.

Unless otherwise specified, the wages of a bet go from the losing party to the winning party. What the winning party chooses to do with those wages is that party's choice.

Mr Mc isn't necessarily "wrong" in insisting to send the money to Mr Dobbyns. But he is losing in the court of public opinion. (Not because he's failing to pay up a la Toad, but based on the fact that there is universal support for Ultimate Peace.)
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110516 is a reply to message #110514] Fri, 03 February 2012 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lance Marput
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Location: Columbia Missouri
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hey ultimatesamwood,

Thanks for that input....i'm no lawyer but what you said here was my general hunch...and i hadn't found any information indicating i was in the wrong just yet.

"Unless otherwise specified, the wages of a bet go from the losing party to the winning party. What the winning party chooses to do with those wages is that party's choice."

Again, props to all involved with the Ultimate Peace effort on both side of the big pond.

Ultimate Peace info here >> http://www.ultimatepeace.org/

Maybe the hall of famer dobyns will change his song and dance a bit and contact me with HIS mailing address.


Sincerely,
Peter McCarthy
Midwest Disc Sports Collection
1020 Lowry Mall
Mizzou campus
Columbia, MO
65201

http://shs.umsystem.edu/manuscripts/collections/mdsc/images/ kalb.html

"Preserving the rich history of disc sports in a public archive since 1997."
Re: When Dobyns Wins Ultimate Peace Wins [message #110518 is a reply to message #110516] Fri, 03 February 2012 15:19 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
jeremy.mcnamara
Messages: 519
Registered: November 2008
Location: Albany
Senior Member
Lance Marput wrote on Fri, 03 February 2012 17:09
hey ultimatesamwood,

Thanks for that input....i'm no lawyer but what you said here was my general hunch...and i hadn't found any information indicating i was in the wrong just yet.

"Unless otherwise specified, the wages of a bet go from the losing party to the winning party. What the winning party chooses to do with those wages is that party's choice."

Again, props to all involved with the Ultimate Peace effort on both side of the big pond.

Ultimate Peace info here >> http://www.ultimatepeace.org/

Maybe the hall of famer dobyns will change his song and dance a bit and contact me with HIS mailing address.


Sincerely,
Peter McCarthy
Midwest Disc Sports Collection
1020 Lowry Mall
Mizzou campus
Columbia, MO
65201

http://shs.umsystem.edu/manuscripts/collections/mdsc/images/ kalb.html

"Preserving the rich history of disc sports in a public archive since 1997."


You're in the wrong and you're being a dick. Send the money or lambskins or whatever fucking phrase you want to use to UP, a cause which you apparently support, and move the fuck on.
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