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ACC Observer [message #10100] Thu, 15 January 2009 15:56 Go to next message
agerics20
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I'm going to be in Chapel Hill(despite my hatred for that part of the
earth) and will be observing games at the ACC Tournament.

I'm fired up.....

but after reading the posts in the other thread about Travelling....i
gotta admit....i feel a bit nervous sitting here in the kitchen
thinking about making those calls. i ain't scared.....but this will
be a big step for us folks around this area.

After reading someone's post about steps after the catch and curling
steps after the catch....that's when i got a bit anxious and
wondered....."should we have a whistle? maybe we should have a
whistle."

i mean...how many times are we gonna be out there shouting "travel!"
without someone hearing us?
how many times am i going to be counting the stall count? my arm is
gonna be sore from the count motion....and i'm gonna have to be
counting the last few numbers of the count aloud.....are people gonna
be able to hear "travel" or 7-8-9-10 by the end of the weekend?

i mean....talk about a "slippery slope".........i'm thinking a whistle
just for travels in a couple weeks.....
what about after that???

huh?
Re: ACC Observer [message #10105 is a reply to message #10100] Thu, 15 January 2009 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Douglas T Lilley
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On Jan 15, 6:56 pm, ageric...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I'm going to be in Chapel Hill(despite my hatred for that part of the
> earth) and will be observing games at the ACC Tournament.
>
> I'm fired up.....
>
> but after reading the posts in the other thread about Travelling....i
> gotta admit....i feel a bit nervous sitting here in the kitchen
> thinking about making those calls.  i ain't scared.....but this will
> be a big step for us folks around this area.
>
> After reading someone's post about steps after the catch and curling
> steps after the catch....that's when i got a bit anxious and
> wondered....."should we have a whistle?  maybe we should have a
> whistle."
>
> i mean...how many times are we gonna be out there shouting "travel!"
> without someone hearing us?
> how many times am i going to be counting the stall count?  my arm is
> gonna be sore from the count motion....and i'm gonna have to be
> counting the last few numbers of the count aloud.....are people gonna
> be able to hear "travel" or 7-8-9-10 by the end of the weekend?
>
> i mean....talk about a "slippery slope".........i'm thinking a whistle
> just for travels in a couple weeks.....
> what about after that???
>
> huh?

Mike, I hear you. You're blazing new ground here and that's never
easy but I feel strongly this sort of thing is very good for the game
and I'm glad that people like you and Kerr are involved. And yes, you
probably should have a whistle. I think you should just take it out
there with you and and see if somebody has the balls to tell you not
to use it.
Re: ACC Observer [message #10109 is a reply to message #10105] Thu, 15 January 2009 17:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jay Schulkin
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Seems like a great idea if just one observer in the whole complex has
a whistle, but if there are whistles on every field it seems like play
would be disrupted a lot by whistles coming from the next field over,
especially if the whistler is near the sideline (aka near another
field).
Re: ACC Observer [message #10121 is a reply to message #10109] Thu, 15 January 2009 21:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dodds.daniel.j
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On Jan 15, 8:30 pm, "jay.schul...@gmail.com" <Jay.Schul...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Seems like a great idea if just one observer in the whole complex has
> a whistle, but if there are whistles on every field it seems like play
> would be disrupted a lot by whistles coming from the next field over,
> especially if the whistler is near the sideline (aka near another
> field).

Not at all. If you look at most other venues that have to deal with
this, a major one being huge soccer field complexes it is a complete
NON-Issue.

First off refs can take steps to curb this by purchasing two to three
whistles. Usually for soccer I'd carry a nice high quality Fox40 (high
sharp shrill notes, no ball for a rolling whistle) and a couple of
cheap POS whistles I'd somehow acquired.
If the teams think that somehow a whistle is going to be an issue,
have observers use different whistles.

Secondly, when a whistle is blown near the line how often is the
referee actually going to be directing his whistle blast towards the
outside of the field where it easily carries to the next field, in
most situations the ref is going to be facing into the field.

Third and finally, you are overestimating the whistle strength. Sure
it is possible to hear a whistle for a great distance but unless the
blower takes in huge amounts of air before blowing, it won't keep its
shrillness over distance.

All these, and for every poor observers voice, they are volunteers. As
an event go let them use whistles, be really nice and buy them some,
they only cost about 8 bucks for a good one.



The stall count for a ref should not be required to motion the count.
The count should probably go something along the lines of.
1. (to start the count)
7. (getting closer)
10. (done)


Personally, I don't think an observer should call a stall count. Let
the players, they may for some reason strategically choose not to
stall someone. Secondly, what if the observer has a brain fart and
forgets stalls. The game will go to hell.
Re: ACC Observer [message #10131 is a reply to message #10100] Fri, 16 January 2009 06:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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Registered: September 2008
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On Jan 15, 6:56 pm, ageric...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I'm going to be in Chapel Hill(despite my hatred for that part of the
> earth) and will be observing games at the ACC Tournament.
>
> I'm fired up.....
>
> but after reading the posts in the other thread about Travelling....i
> gotta admit....i feel a bit nervous sitting here in the kitchen
> thinking about making those calls.  i ain't scared.....but this will
> be a big step for us folks around this area.

and a long overdue one.
-----------------------------------------------------
>
> After reading someone's post about steps after the catch and curling
> steps after the catch....that's when i got a bit anxious and
> wondered....."should we have a whistle?  maybe we should have a
> whistle."

fuckin A (and 1.5 rotations....no more, no less)
------------------------------------------------------
>
> i mean...how many times are we gonna be out there shouting "travel!"
> without someone hearing us?

i though on the other thread the guy only remembered 2 being called
all game. and shit, whats the big deal.....its a freakin do over
either way. Make it a turn and now you are talking about making a
ballsy step in the process.
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------
> how many times am i going to be counting the stall count?  my arm is
> gonna be sore from the count motion

my theory on that was for each refzerver should hava a little strap-on/
hand held audio stall counter (which you would reset for each legal
mark and would be loud enough for that ref to hear)......do it
silently and take that obligation away from the players too. and of
course a whistle would come in handy for this call too.
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------



.....and i'm gonna have to be
> counting the last few numbers of the count aloud.....are people gonna
> be able to hear "travel" or 7-8-9-10 by the end of the weekend?
>
> i mean....talk about a "slippery slope".........i'm thinking a whistle
> just for travels in a couple weeks.....
> what about after that???

definitely yes. and remember people, this is just one tourny.....it
aint the whole sport. you will find as you tinker with the rules in
this "facilitory" way that the adjustments, althought met with
reluctancy, quickly becomes quite liberating. So i would assume that
you could find other creative ways to get functionality from those
whistles. Allowing play to resume on the call(whistle blow) of the
official rather than the players (to add continuity and prevent delay
of game situations.......ie. if the o commits a foul or violation,
and they resume posession, they shouldnt receive the luxury of settin
up/calling out a play)
Re: ACC Observer [message #10132 is a reply to message #10105] Fri, 16 January 2009 06:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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Registered: September 2008
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On Jan 15, 8:07 pm, Douglas T Lilley <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Mike, I hear you.  You're blazing new ground


what new ground? that level of arbitration has been surpassed by far.
------------------------------------------------------------ ------



> .  And yes, you
> probably should have a whistle.


giddy up! might as well sport the stripes too. personal foul
limits???? timed games???? where does it end?



 I think you should just take it out
> there with you and and see if somebody has the balls to tell you not
> to use it


kinda sad that this is the way most progressive aspects of ultimate
(arbatrationwise) occur?
Re: ACC Observer [message #10134 is a reply to message #10131] Fri, 16 January 2009 06:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Baer
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On Jan 16, 8:08 am, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
>
> my theory on that was for each refzerver should hava a little strap-on

!!!!
Re: ACC Observer [message #10148 is a reply to message #10134] Fri, 16 January 2009 07:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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On Jan 16, 9:18 am, Baer <collin.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 16, 8:08 am, joadnt...@ec.rr.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > my theory on that was for each refzerver should hava a little strap-on
>
> !!!!

c'mon baer, havent you seen nfl officials with whistles that are tied
(strapped) to their wrist/hand. i mean, i get the joke but........

get your mind outa the gutter baer!
Re: ACC Observer [message #10154 is a reply to message #10121] Fri, 16 January 2009 09:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
colinmcintyre
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On Jan 16, 12:13 am, dodds.danie...@gmail.com wrote:

> Personally, I don't think an observer should call a stall count. Let
> the players, they may for some reason strategically choose not to
> stall someone.

I'm struggling to imagine this strategic reason.
Re: ACC Observer [message #10162 is a reply to message #10154] Fri, 16 January 2009 10:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dodds.daniel.j
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Member
On Jan 16, 12:13 pm, Colin <colinmcint...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 16, 12:13 am, dodds.danie...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Personally, I don't think an observer should call a stall count. Let
> > the players, they may for some reason strategically choose not to
> > stall someone.
>
> I'm struggling to imagine this strategic reason.

They are stupid.

But the main issue is that what if the observer forgets to do the
stall count, or is late, just for even one stall count. That could
blow up if the play is big.
Re: ACC Observer [message #10164 is a reply to message #10154] Fri, 16 January 2009 10:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tim
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Is the stall counted regardless of whether there is a defender within
range of the offensive player?

On Jan 16, 12:13 pm, Colin <colinmcint...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 16, 12:13 am, dodds.danie...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Personally, I don't think an observer should call a stall count. Let
> > the players, they may for some reason strategically choose not to
> > stall someone.
>
> I'm struggling to imagine this strategic reason.
Re: ACC Observer [message #10199 is a reply to message #10162] Sat, 17 January 2009 05:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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On Jan 16, 1:13 pm, dodds.danie...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 16, 12:13 pm, Colin <colinmcint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 16, 12:13 am, dodds.danie...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Personally, I don't think an observer should call a stall count. Let
> > > the players, they may for some reason strategically choose not to
> > > stall someone.
>
> > I'm struggling to imagine this strategic reason.
>
> They are stupid.
>
> But the main issue is that what if the observer forgets to do the
> stall count, or is late, just for even one stall count. That could
> blow up if the play is big.

thats like saying....."what happens if someone is driving a car down
the road and the driver forgets to use his breaks". and using that as
a reason to discourage the use of cars. wise up!
Re: ACC Observer [message #10200 is a reply to message #10164] Sat, 17 January 2009 06:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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> Is the stall counted regardless of whether there is a defender within
> range of the offensive player?
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---did anyone answer this?

the stall is counted once a defender is within 3 meters...or
yards...or steps...or whatever the rule is....

an unmarked thrower has no stall count
Re: ACC Observer [message #10228 is a reply to message #10200] Sat, 17 January 2009 19:48 Go to previous message
joadntoad
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On Jan 17, 9:41 am, ageric...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Is the stall counted regardless of whether there is a defender within
> > range of the offensive player?
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ---did anyone answer this?
>
> the stall is counted once a defender is within 3 meters...or
> yards...or steps...or whatever the rule is....
>
> an unmarked thrower has no stall count

speaking of which, you guys will be responsible for refering on fast
counts, right? better practice your cadence with a clock every night
before bedtime.......and get a tape measure out so you know what "3
meters.....or yards.....or steps.....or whatever that rule is..."
speaking of which....where is that distance from (and to).....closest
part opf each persons body? what?
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