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CUC 2011 [message #101615] Sun, 07 August 2011 12:56 Go to next message
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Predictions for GOAT (#1) vs Furious (#2) ?
Re: CUC 2011 [message #101633 is a reply to message #101615] Mon, 08 August 2011 05:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
homrbush
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I think this is the year GOAT finally bests the Monkey. The development of players like Adrian Yearwood, Cam Harris and Mark Lloyd will be what carries the day. Furious, for once (for the first time?), is actually at an experience disadvantage. It's going to be a hell of a game.

For shits and giggles, I'll also take the Capitals (over Traffic) and Odysee (over ONYX) (mixed) quite handily in their divisions, and the depth of Tombstone will overcome the star power of the Nomads in Masters.

If anyone is interested in watching the finals (Women, Open and Mixed only) on Sunday, the games will be livestreamed here: http://www.rogerstv.com/page.aspx?lid=12&rid=4&sid=4 369. Rumour has it that the Juniors and Masters finals may be livestreamed Saturday at http://www.iamultimate.com
Re: CUC 2011 [message #101637 is a reply to message #101633] Mon, 08 August 2011 07:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The only reference we have are the games they played against nextgen...if that means anything at all.

I still go with Furious.
Re: CUC 2011 [message #101655 is a reply to message #101637] Mon, 08 August 2011 15:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
homrbush
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Or the game they played against one another at Colorado Cup (and no, the NexGen game doesn't mean anything when each team has players either not attending, or showing up late).

There haven't been any in-season predictive indicators this year. Will be a fun matchup. Does anyone know if Gabe is playing at CUC?
Re: CUC 2011 [message #101658 is a reply to message #101655] Mon, 08 August 2011 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goat beat furious 15-12 at Colarodo.
Do you know if the lineups are going to be similar at the CUC ?
Re: CUC 2011 [message #101662 is a reply to message #101658] Tue, 09 August 2011 03:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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EuhNGroups wrote on Mon, 08 August 2011 20:59
Goat beat furious 15-12 at Colarodo.
Do you know if the lineups are going to be similar at the CUC ?


I believe both teams were playing shorthanded at Colorado Cup. Here are the rosters from the CUC Player Program:

GOAT (Ottawa/Toronto, ON, Rank 1)
2 Michael Jones
3 Andrew Carroll
9 Scotty Nicholls
16 Phil Watanabe
18 Anatoly Vasilyev
20 Jeff Lindquist
24 Colin Green
25 James Donovan
30 Jesse Robertson
41 Gordon Harrison
43 Andrew Ouchterlony
89 Mark Lloyd
Shawn Chua
Jamie Craig
Cameron Harris
Daniel Hassell
John Hassell
David Janssen
Jonathan Martin
Thomson Mcknight
Patrick Mooney
Inian Moorthy
Kirk Nylen
Geoffrey Powell
Eric St-Amant
Tim Tsang
Graham Withers
Adrian Yearwood

Furious George (Vancouver, BC, Rank 2)
1 Thomas Kuhn
2 Adam Silverstein
4 Matthew Doyle
5 John Norris
6 Alex Chan
7 Bobo Eyrich
8 Morgan Hibbert
9 Gabe Saunkeah
11 Andrew Brown
12 Aaron Liu
13 Marc Seraglia
14 Alexander Hughes
16 Jordan Tessarolo
17 Maxmillian Hunter
8 Nick Menzies
20 Nathan Dandurand
21 Aaron Loach
22 Matthew Berezan
25 Oscar Pottinger
27 Alexander Davis
33 Andy Collins
37 Myles Sinclair
49 Jon Hayduk
66 Andre Gailits
89 Kevin Underhill
96 C J Harmer
98 Brendan Wong

Re: CUC 2011 [message #101735 is a reply to message #101662] Wed, 10 August 2011 20:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How come Derek Alexander is not on the Pheonix or Trainwreck Roster ?
Re: CUC 2011 [message #101737 is a reply to message #101735] Thu, 11 August 2011 02:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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EuhNGroups wrote on Wed, 10 August 2011 23:02
How come Derek Alexander is not on the Pheonix or Trainwreck Roster ?


Not sure. I'm not is in tune with the Ottawa scene as I used to be. Curious that he isn't playing for GOAT or Train Wreck, especially since his brothers are captaining TW.
Re: CUC 2011 [message #101855 is a reply to message #101737] Sun, 14 August 2011 14:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well I was right in my prediction.
Derek Alexander was playing for GOAT (and wasn't very good in the final)
GOAT really choked on this one.


Were good: Hibbert, Norris, Liu, Hassell, St-Amant, Lindquist, Yearwood

Were average/bad: Pottinger, D. Alexander, Seraglia,

Re: CUC 2011 [message #101886 is a reply to message #101855] Mon, 15 August 2011 08:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Pat Mooney and Andrew "The Mule" Carroll had huge games as well. The Mule in particular was a key reason that Oscar was less of a factor than he might have been.

Don't know as many Furious guys, but Andy Collins, with hucks for points 12-13-14 (among others) for Furious, seems worthy of mention somehow. North Bay was well represented.

Very impressive tightening of the screws by Furious with their backs to the wall.

Observers, for the love of god, make a call and move on with things.
Re: CUC 2011 [message #101887 is a reply to message #101886] Mon, 15 August 2011 08:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> Observers, for the love of god, make a call and move on with
> things.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--do tell!?!?!?!!!?!?!!
Re: CUC 2011 [message #101893 is a reply to message #101887] Mon, 15 August 2011 09:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A lot of calls went to the observers, and it just seemed to take a long time. I'm not sure how it was working, but the observers seemed to be letting the players argue (i.e. no IRS), then getting players' input, then going off and chatting among themselves, before making a call. As a player and a spectator (in the stands), it really made an otherwise great game just drag at times.
Re: CUC 2011 [message #101894 is a reply to message #101893] Mon, 15 August 2011 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I should say, I assume that the observers were a bit handcuffed by protocol. I.e. that they were instructed to let each player tell his side of the story, then discuss what each observer saw, etc. I don't mean to attack volunteers doing their best in a high pressure situation (though that is probably what my posts amount to).

I would like to clarify and redirect my criticism to the observing system that was in place. I think more discussion rarely makes the call any more correct, so just interject, have a decision in mind, and make it quickly. More priority needs to be placed on keeping the game moving.
Re: CUC 2011 [message #101926 is a reply to message #101886] Mon, 15 August 2011 18:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't understand why Hassell plays so much as an handler. He's very good at it (he had many great hucks during the first half), but would have a greater impact as a deep cutter. Specially against a team like Furious with very few tall guys. Probably only Hibbert can contain him...and he did well as he got the MVP, but I think his job was made easier with Hassell playing around the disc

Re: CUC 2011 [message #101934 is a reply to message #101615] Mon, 15 August 2011 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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my 2 cents, and i'm biased, is that they shoulda kept DJ out there as a handler. No need to take him out after Pottinger baited a throw. He didn't play the entire second half, exactly when a veteran handler would have helped with wind, nerves and maybe stop about 30 unforced errors...
Re: CUC 2011 [message #101941 is a reply to message #101934] Mon, 15 August 2011 21:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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tonyleonardo wrote on Mon, 15 August 2011 20:04
my 2 cents, and i'm biased, is that they shoulda kept DJ out there as a handler. No need to take him out after Pottinger baited a throw. He didn't play the entire second half, exactly when a veteran handler would have helped with wind, nerves and maybe stop about 30 unforced errors...


But a great deal of these unforced errors were from the Franchise himself.
Re: CUC 2011 [message #101942 is a reply to message #101934] Mon, 15 August 2011 21:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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tonyleonardo wrote on Mon, 15 August 2011 20:04
my 2 cents, and i'm biased, is that they shoulda kept DJ out there as a handler. No need to take him out after Pottinger baited a throw. He didn't play the entire second half, exactly when a veteran handler would have helped with wind, nerves and maybe stop about 30 unforced errors...


But a great deal of these unforced errors were from the Franchise himself.
Re: CUC 2011 [message #101986 is a reply to message #101926] Tue, 16 August 2011 10:54 Go to previous message
homrbush
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EuhNGroups wrote on Mon, 15 August 2011 21:51

I don't understand why Hassell plays so much as an handler. He's very good at it (he had many great hucks during the first half), but would have a greater impact as a deep cutter. Specially against a team like Furious with very few tall guys. Probably only Hibbert can contain him...and he did well as he got the MVP, but I think his job was made easier with Hassell playing around the disc



I wonder if Hassell was handling because he had Hibbert on him most of the time. Hassell is certainly capable of either handling or cutting at a high level, so if he goes back to handle when Hibbert is on him, it takes away deep poach opportunites from one of the few bigs on Furious.

I was also curious at the lack of playing time for DJ in the 2nd half, especially with Adrian Yearwood limited in his handler duties with his hand injury.
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