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physics
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ANNOUNCEMENT

D-III Nationals -2009

Last spring, over 60 D-III teams expressed serious interest in the 3rd
Annual D-III Nationals. 26 teams came from all across the US to
compete in the D-III National Championships. Officials at the UPA were
so impressed that they are planning to implement a second Division for
smaller colleges in 2010. This will then make it possible for our
teams to play for a UPA College National Championship against similar
colleges just like the other sports at our schools. Congrats to
everyone!!

After much consideration and positive feedback from many teams, we are
planning to host the 4th Annual D-III Nationals. (The late
announcement stems from the fact that we wanted to see where Cultimate
was headed. Based on recent events, it appears most teams will be
playing in the UPA College Series this spring, which blends nicely
with D-III Nationals).

Check out the web site.
http://www2.onu.edu/~wtheisen/2.%20D-III%20Nationals%20Pages /D-III%20-%20Home.htm
Discuss it with your team.
Contact Russ (nilsen.russell@gmail.com) if your team is interested in
participating at the 2009 D-III Nationals.


Bill T.
ONU Ultimate
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #7013 is a reply to message #7012] Wed, 19 November 2008 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
physics
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The Contact is: Russ (nilsen.russell@gmail.com)

Bill T.
ONU Ultimate
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #7014 is a reply to message #7012] Wed, 19 November 2008 13:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joadntoad
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On Nov 19, 4:02 pm, phys...@onu.edu wrote:
> ANNOUNCEMENT
>
> D-III Nationals -2009
>
> Last spring, over 60 D-III teams expressed serious interest in the 3rd
> Annual D-III Nationals. 26 teams came from all across the US to
> compete in the D-III National Championships. Officials at the UPA were
> so impressed that they are planning to implement a second Division for
> smaller colleges in 2010. This will then make it possible for our
> teams to play for a UPA College National Championship against similar
> colleges just like the other sports at our schools.

is it really that big of a deal that its a "upa" national championship
in 2010 as opposed to......whatever you are callin it in 09 (or 08 and
07 for that matter)? I can see being appreciative of the
administrative assistance.....but, seriously, shouldnt they be
thanking you for establishing the foundation and doin all the leg
work. personally i tell the upa tp go fuck themselves for not
initiating such a competition opportunity from the get go.
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #7029 is a reply to message #7012] Wed, 19 November 2008 14:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
luke
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Bill,

Why not hold D3 Nationals on weekend before and let the tournament be
a three day format because of Memorial Day Weekend? If there is an
increased interest in teams this year, which I suspect should be
taking place, I know our team may not be the only one interested in
moving the tournament date up as well as having it be in a format more
similar to the current College Nationals.

I recognize that some institutions still have classes in session later
into May and thus extending D3 Nationals to nearly June allows just
about everyone to be done with classes, but many have been done and
out of session for 1, 2 or even 3 weeks. This last year we had been
out of classes for 2 weeks and thus, we had a significant challenge
getting all of our players to return for another weekend of play after
being gone. This meant that we had to frustratingly bring a less than
complete team and thus not put our best foot forward. We still
managed to make it all the way to the finals, but having the other
starters who were missing would have made the Championship Final all
the more close...

Also, as already mentioned, having it on Memorial Day weekend would
allow a 3 day format without having to miss classes (for anyone who
still has them or adults working the tournament who may have regular
jobs). This would add more legitimacy to a tournament that for many
is still seen as 'just another tournament'. Formatting it for a three
day weekend also allows competition to be spread out (less chance of
injuries), more fair formatting (re-seeding into power-pools gives
teams who screwed up in pool play still a chance), more community feel
(typically there are less games needed to played so teams stick around
more to see others play), gives venders an additional day of exposure
(so hopefully one could actually get a VC, Gaia, Five, or other such
establishment down for the tournament), and would help bring a further
sense of pride to teams who come as it would give them an experience
unlike anything else.

-luke johnson
North Park Lost Boys
Chicago, IL
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #7032 is a reply to message #7014] Wed, 19 November 2008 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris G
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boner check
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #7056 is a reply to message #7032] Wed, 19 November 2008 16:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
purple.leisure
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On Nov 19, 2:48 pm, Chris G <gib...@ufl.edu> wrote:
> boner check

I kind of agree with a three day format. The only thing is will it
actually draw teams to stay and watch finals?
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #7074 is a reply to message #7029] Wed, 19 November 2008 18:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
H
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Luke-

You named your team after a gang of vampires? Aren't you in seminary
school?

h

> -luke johnson
> North Park Lost Boys
> Chicago, IL
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #7075 is a reply to message #7012] Wed, 19 November 2008 18:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hanna
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Our men's team went this spring and had a blast-- any chance of a
women's division, or does it depend upon interest?

Hanna
Grinnell
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #7097 is a reply to message #7029] Wed, 19 November 2008 22:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
purple.leisure
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The problem with memorial day weekend is that ticket prices are alot
more expensive. So why don't we have it during "armed forces day" the
weekend before memorial day weekend. There we go. Oh wait a democrat
is in office guess we won't be getting that day off any time soon.
Dang. Should have thought of that when i voted. If DIII is important
enough than teams would take off a friday anyways. They would if they
were in the UPA Nationals ("real nationals/D-1").


On Nov 19, 2:43 pm, luke <luketimjohn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Why not hold D3 Nationals on weekend before and let the tournament be
> a three day format because of Memorial Day Weekend?  If there is an
> increased interest in teams this year, which I suspect should be
> taking place, I know our team may not be the only one interested in
> moving the tournament date up as well as having it be in a format more
> similar to the current College Nationals.
>
> I recognize that some institutions still have classes in session later
> into May and thus extending D3 Nationals to nearly June allows just
> about everyone to be done with classes, but many have been done and
> out of session for 1, 2 or even 3 weeks.  This last year we had been
> out of classes for 2 weeks and thus, we had a significant challenge
> getting all of our players to return for another weekend of play after
> being gone.  This meant that we had to frustratingly bring a less than
> complete team and thus not put our best foot forward.  We still
> managed to make it all the way to the finals, but having the other
> starters who were missing would have made the Championship Final all
> the more close...
>
> Also, as already mentioned, having it on Memorial Day weekend would
> allow a 3 day format without having to miss classes (for anyone who
> still has them or adults working the tournament who may have regular
> jobs).  This would add more legitimacy to a tournament that for many
> is still seen as 'just another tournament'.  Formatting it for a three
> day weekend also allows competition to be spread out (less chance of
> injuries), more fair formatting (re-seeding into power-pools gives
> teams who screwed up in pool play still a chance), more community feel
> (typically there are less games needed to played so teams stick around
> more to see others play), gives venders an additional day of exposure
> (so hopefully one could actually get a VC, Gaia, Five, or other such
> establishment down for the tournament), and would help bring a further
> sense of pride to teams who come as it would give them an experience
> unlike anything else.
>
> -luke johnson
> North Park Lost Boys
> Chicago, IL
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #7111 is a reply to message #7029] Thu, 20 November 2008 05:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pizzaslot
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On Nov 19, 4:43 pm, luke <luketimjohn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Why not hold D3 Nationals on weekend before and let the tournament be
> a three day format because of Memorial Day Weekend?  If there is an
> increased interest in teams this year, which I suspect should be
> taking place, I know our team may not be the only one interested in
> moving the tournament date up as well as having it be in a format more
> similar to the current College Nationals.
>
> I recognize that some institutions still have classes in session later
> into May and thus extending D3 Nationals to nearly June allows just
> about everyone to be done with classes, but many have been done and
> out of session for 1, 2 or even 3 weeks.  This last year we had been
> out of classes for 2 weeks and thus, we had a significant challenge
> getting all of our players to return for another weekend of play after
> being gone.  This meant that we had to frustratingly bring a less than
> complete team and thus not put our best foot forward.  We still
> managed to make it all the way to the finals, but having the other
> starters who were missing would have made the Championship Final all
> the more close...
>
> Also, as already mentioned, having it on Memorial Day weekend would
> allow a 3 day format without having to miss classes (for anyone who
> still has them or adults working the tournament who may have regular
> jobs).  This would add more legitimacy to a tournament that for many
> is still seen as 'just another tournament'.  Formatting it for a three
> day weekend also allows competition to be spread out (less chance of
> injuries), more fair formatting (re-seeding into power-pools gives
> teams who screwed up in pool play still a chance), more community feel
> (typically there are less games needed to played so teams stick around
> more to see others play), gives venders an additional day of exposure
> (so hopefully one could actually get a VC, Gaia, Five, or other such
> establishment down for the tournament), and would help bring a further
> sense of pride to teams who come as it would give them an experience
> unlike anything else.
>
> -luke johnson
> North Park Lost Boys
> Chicago, IL

Not a fan of the whole C-1 thing, but if there is going to be a D3
Nationals, shouldn't schools have to choose which division they play
in? I mean, can you really have your cake and eat it too?
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #7113 is a reply to message #7111] Thu, 20 November 2008 06:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Naji
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Are you guys basing this on Division 3 schools of NCAA? What about
D-2? My school is only 6500, and definitly smaller than quite a few
D-3 schools, yet remain in D-2.

Divisions are based in the NCAA by how many scholarships are handed
out: 1: Many full scholarships for many sports, 2: about half as many
scholarships for less sports, 3: no scholarships at all. If there is
something like this, the divisions should be based on school
enrollment instead of what NCAA division their varsity sports
participate in.

This is a GREAT idea and I know of many teams that would want to
participate, but maybe it should be both D-2 and D-3.
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #7145 is a reply to message #7113] Thu, 20 November 2008 11:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Fish
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Member
On Nov 20, 6:30 am, Naji <naji.ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you guys basing this on Division 3 schools of NCAA? What about
> D-2? My school is only 6500, and definitly smaller than quite a few
> D-3 schools, yet remain in D-2.
>
>  Divisions are based in the NCAA by how many scholarships are handed
> out: 1: Many full scholarships for many sports, 2: about half as many
> scholarships for less sports, 3: no scholarships at all. If there is
> something like this, the divisions should be based on school
> enrollment instead of what NCAA division their varsity sports
> participate in.
>
> This is a GREAT idea and I know of many teams that would want to
> participate, but maybe it should be both D-2 and D-3.

I've always believed that the determination of D-3 status in ultimate
should be solely based on the size of the school and not on the status
of mainstream sports at the college. Is this something we can work out
differently for this year? Attracting schools with 9,000 people to D-3
nationals is counterintuitive.

fish
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #7153 is a reply to message #7113] Thu, 20 November 2008 11:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Genie
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On Nov 20, 9:30 am, Naji <naji.ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you guys basing this on Division 3 schools of NCAA? What about
> D-2? My school is only 6500, and definitly smaller than quite a few
> D-3 schools, yet remain in D-2.
>
>  Divisions are based in the NCAA by how many scholarships are handed
> out: 1: Many full scholarships for many sports, 2: about half as many
> scholarships for less sports, 3: no scholarships at all. If there is
> something like this, the divisions should be based on school
> enrollment instead of what NCAA division their varsity sports
> participate in.
>
> This is a GREAT idea and I know of many teams that would want to
> participate, but maybe it should be both D-2 and D-3.

We definitely need a D2 and D3 Championships. I'm tired of getting
owned.
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #7155 is a reply to message #7145] Thu, 20 November 2008 11:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
luke
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There is information on the website as to what qualifies teams for D3
Nationals. This is the basic information:

DETERMINATION OF D-III STATUS
I. Universities which satisfy one of the following are eligible for D-
III Nationals:
1. Over 50% of a particular institution’s varsity sports are D-
III, or Junior College status.
2. Colleges or universities with an undergrad enrollment of under
5000 students
II. This link will help you to check the status of your university:
http://www2.ncaa.org/about_ncaa/membership/
III. Future D-III Championships
D-III status will be determined by a D-III Tournament elected
board.


For more information, check out their website:
http://www2.onu.edu/~wtheisen/2.%20D-III%20Nationals%20Pages /Eligible%20teams.htm
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #7156 is a reply to message #7155] Thu, 20 November 2008 11:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
luke
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Also, on the issue of a womens division for D3. As an advocate of our
ladies, they are highly interested in attending this year, rather than
attending with the boys team...
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #7167 is a reply to message #7156] Thu, 20 November 2008 12:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
physics
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On Nov 20, 2:50 pm, luke <luketimjohn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, on the issue of a womens division for D3.  As an advocate of our
> ladies, they are highly interested in attending this year, rather than
> attending with the boys team...
Greetings everyone,

A couple of things:

1) We will take names of Interested women's teams. Actually, the
women's division did come close to happening last year. Assuming we
can get field space etc. we will try and make it happen this year.

2) All Teams that have competed at D-III Nationals in the past have
met the eligibility requirements.
http://www2.onu.edu/~wtheisen/2.%20D-III%20Nationals%20Pages /Eligible%20teams.htm

3) The above guidelines were set up to ensure that D-III teams that
attended would be competing against mostly the same teams that our
basketball or football teams compete against for a National Title.

4) In the past, the D-III organizers have considered including teams
which are on the bubble (eg . 5200 students but D-II). If this is your
situation please submit this to Russ and the organizers will consider
the request.

5) The date is always tricky. We did seriously consider Memorial Day
weekend, but it was not chosen. We apologize for teams that this
inconveniences

Hope this answers some questions
Bill T.
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #7211 is a reply to message #7167] Thu, 20 November 2008 18:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
luke
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So Bill, is a three day tournament out of the question, or can that be
on the table?
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #7217 is a reply to message #7167] Thu, 20 November 2008 19:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Fish
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On Nov 20, 12:38 pm, phys...@onu.edu wrote:

> 2) All Teams that have competed at D-III Nationals in the past have
> met the eligibility requirements.http://www2.onu.edu/~wtheisen/2.%20D-III%20Nati onals%20Pages/Eligible...

but they should be changed for this season and subsequent seasons.

> 3) The above guidelines were set up to ensure that D-III teams that
> attended would be competing against mostly the same teams that our
> basketball or football teams compete against for a National Title.

ultimate as a sport is distinct enough from the mainstream athletics
at universities that this shouldn't be a deciding factor in
determining the guidelines for eligibility in the ultimate d3
championship. oregon is ego not the ducks, georgia is jojah bulldogs,
the claremont teams are the braineaters and not the sagehens. the
rivalries associated with traditional sports shouldn't affect how we
structure ultimate divisions.

> 4) In the past, the D-III organizers have considered including teams
> which are on the bubble (eg . 5200 students but D-II). If this is your
> situation please submit this to Russ and the organizers will consider
> the request.

the opposite is the problem. schools shouldn't be considered having d3
status in ultimate if their size is over 5,000 students. i have always
had the opinion that in this sport, the size of a population is almost
always the limiting factor in successfully building an ultimate
program.

fish
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #10003 is a reply to message #7217] Wed, 14 January 2009 17:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kwtorrey
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Hey. So this debate has generally been closed, but I'm interested in
Luke's suggestions for changing the date, etc., because under the
current plan of May 30-31st both Swarthmore (decent results each year)
and Las Positas (1st in 2006, 2nd in 2007) will probably be unable to
attend. In addition, the 30th-31st is way beyond some other schools'
grad dates, making it weird for everyone to reconvene this late in
May.

Memorial Day Weekend is ONU's grad weekend, right? I can understand
that'd be a huge factor, but in the interest of LPC and other
colleges, particularly Swat--I'm '09 there--I'm just wondering if
something can't be worked out for Memorial Day Weekend, working around
the 24th or something... I just know that a lot of teams would favor
Memorial Day, because to have this on the 30th pushes it back way too
far for some schools' schedules.
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #10006 is a reply to message #10003] Wed, 14 January 2009 17:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kevin
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On Jan 14, 7:05 pm, "kwtor...@gmail.com" <kwtor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey.  So this debate has generally been closed, but I'm interested in
> Luke's suggestions for changing the date, etc., because under the
> current plan of May 30-31st both Swarthmore (decent results each year)
> and Las Positas (1st in 2006, 2nd in 2007) will probably be unable to
> attend.  In addition, the 30th-31st is way beyond some other schools'
> grad dates, making it weird for everyone to reconvene this late in
> May.
>
> Memorial Day Weekend is ONU's grad weekend, right?  I can understand
> that'd be a huge factor, but in the interest of LPC and other
> colleges, particularly Swat--I'm '09 there--I'm just wondering if
> something can't be worked out for Memorial Day Weekend, working around
> the 24th or something... I just know that a lot of teams would favor
> Memorial Day, because to have this on the 30th pushes it back way too
> far for some schools' schedules.

All in favor of Memorial day weekend say I...

I!
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #10017 is a reply to message #10006] Wed, 14 January 2009 21:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
luke
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I, but a proposal has to be made in order for ONU to be able to manage
that three day weekend with their commencement on Sunday from 2-4:30pm

-luke johnson
north park university
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #10030 is a reply to message #10017] Thu, 15 January 2009 06:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The Dick Formerly Kno
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I: The tournament could basically run itself Sunday afternoon.
Especially if it's a 3-day tourney, teams would just be finishing
bracket and/or power pool games, and captains/ONU underclassmen are
capable of handling that.

If ONU doesn't want to play during that time for lack of seniors
(which is completely understandable and probably more your concern
luke), I'm sure byes could be adjusted and secured, especially in a
power pool format. Bracket play would be a bit harder to get byes,
obviously, but I'm sure all teams involved would be flexible and
accomodate whatever system they decide is best.

Dennis
Truman St.
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #10087 is a reply to message #10030] Thu, 15 January 2009 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
luke
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This is something I was toying around with as well. Especially if
things are stretched over 3 days, Sunday could be easily be made to
accommodate ONU and their commencement.

-luke
npu
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #10123 is a reply to message #10087] Thu, 15 January 2009 21:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Caleb
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I
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #10294 is a reply to message #10123] Tue, 20 January 2009 08:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
luke
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At this point Bill (D3 TD) is planning on contacting the other D3
organizers about the possibility of holding the tournament the same
weekend as the current UPA College Nationals. The idea of extending
it over 3 days also means potentially higher costs because of both
food and fields. teams interested in 3 days must understand this
additional cost and be willing to accept it and support it.

-luke johnson
north park university #21
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #10298 is a reply to message #10294] Tue, 20 January 2009 08:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
agerics20
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Is there a Division 2 championship?
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #10418 is a reply to message #10294] Thu, 22 January 2009 10:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
nilsen.russell
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The tournament will be run as for what works best for all teams
involved
Re: D-III Nationals -2009 [message #10483 is a reply to message #10418] Thu, 22 January 2009 17:43 Go to previous message
Caleb
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Memorial Day weekend?
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