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South Open Regional Seedings [message #58] Mon, 22 September 2008 08:48 Go to next message
Keith.Larsen.TX
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Just a first look:
1. Chain Lightning (EC1)
2. Doublewide (TX1)
3. Ronin (FL1)
4. El Diablo (EC2)
5. Ludicrous Speed (GC1)
6. Iron Men (GC2)
7. Overthrow (EC3)
8. Grit (TX2)
9. Uproar (FL2)
10. Seuss (TX3)
11. For The Story (FL3)
12. Jojah (EC4)
13. Riverside (TX4)
14. Turbodog (GC3)
15. Buffalo (GC4)
16. (EC5)

Note: Uproar and Seuss swapped to avoid sectional rematch. Also, EC5
should be 15 and Buffalo 16 to avoid a sectional rematch between EC1
and EC5, everything else was pretty easy and fell in line with the
RRI.

I'm not sure who finished 5th in the East Coast, can anyone comment on
the likelihood of the FL and EC teams coming to Austin? I would assume
Jojah, Buffalo, and EC5 are the only questionable attendees.

Do we have 2 bids, I couldn't find anything on the wildcards yet,
maybe waiting a week on format, but i'm assuming we going straight to
the 16 team bracket.
-Keith
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #66 is a reply to message #58] Mon, 22 September 2008 09:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Torre
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On Sep 22, 11:48 am, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
> Just a first look:
> 1. Chain Lightning (EC1)
> 2. Doublewide (TX1)
> 3. Ronin (FL1)
> 4. El Diablo (EC2)
> 5. Ludicrous Speed (GC1)
> 6. Iron Men (GC2)
> 7. Overthrow (EC3)
> 8. Grit (TX2)
> 9. Uproar (FL2)
> 10. Seuss (TX3)
> 11. For The Story (FL3)
> 12. Jojah (EC4)
> 13. Riverside (TX4)
> 14. Turbodog (GC3)
> 15. Buffalo (GC4)
> 16. (EC5)
>
> Note: Uproar and Seuss swapped to avoid sectional rematch. Also, EC5
> should be 15 and Buffalo 16 to avoid a sectional rematch between EC1
> and EC5, everything else was pretty easy and fell in line with the
> RRI.
>
> I'm not sure who finished 5th in the East Coast, can anyone comment on
> the likelihood of the FL and EC teams coming to Austin? I would assume
> Jojah, Buffalo, and EC5 are the only questionable attendees.
>
> Do we have 2 bids, I couldn't find anything on the wildcards yet,
> maybe waiting a week on format, but i'm assuming we going straight to
> the 16 team bracket.
> -Keith

(EC5) = Nooga Please. (chattanooga, tn)

and we do plan on making the trek to Austin, TX.
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #74 is a reply to message #58] Mon, 22 September 2008 10:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bslade86
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I've been told Jojah will not be attending.

On Sep 22, 11:48 am, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
> Just a first look:
> 1. Chain Lightning (EC1)
> 2. Doublewide (TX1)
> 3. Ronin (FL1)
> 4. El Diablo (EC2)
> 5. Ludicrous Speed (GC1)
> 6. Iron Men (GC2)
> 7. Overthrow (EC3)
> 8. Grit (TX2)
> 9. Uproar (FL2)
> 10. Seuss (TX3)
> 11. For The Story (FL3)
> 12. Jojah (EC4)
> 13. Riverside (TX4)
> 14. Turbodog (GC3)
> 15. Buffalo (GC4)
> 16. (EC5)
>
> Note: Uproar and Seuss swapped to avoid sectional rematch. Also, EC5
> should be 15 and Buffalo 16 to avoid a sectional rematch between EC1
> and EC5, everything else was pretty easy and fell in line with the
> RRI.
>
> I'm not sure who finished 5th in the East Coast, can anyone comment on
> the likelihood of the FL and EC teams coming to Austin? I would assume
> Jojah, Buffalo, and EC5 are the only questionable attendees.
>
> Do we have 2 bids, I couldn't find anything on the wildcards yet,
> maybe waiting a week on format, but i'm assuming we going straight to
> the 16 team bracket.
> -Keith
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #79 is a reply to message #58] Mon, 22 September 2008 11:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BJ
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On Sep 22, 10:48 am, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
> Just a first look:
> 1. Chain Lightning (EC1)
> 2. Doublewide (TX1)
> 3. Ronin (FL1)
> 4. El Diablo (EC2)
> 5. Ludicrous Speed (GC1)
> 6. Iron Men (GC2)
> 7. Overthrow (EC3)
> 8. Grit (TX2)
> 9. Uproar (FL2)
> 10. Seuss (TX3)
> 11. For The Story (FL3)
> 12. Jojah (EC4)
> 13. Riverside (TX4)
> 14. Turbodog (GC3)
> 15. Buffalo (GC4)
> 16. (EC5)
>
> Note: Uproar and Seuss swapped to avoid sectional rematch. Also, EC5
> should be 15 and Buffalo 16 to avoid a sectional rematch between EC1
> and EC5, everything else was pretty easy and fell in line with the
> RRI.
>
> I'm not sure who finished 5th in the East Coast, can anyone comment on
> the likelihood of the FL and EC teams coming to Austin? I would assume
> Jojah, Buffalo, and EC5 are the only questionable attendees.
>
> Do we have 2 bids, I couldn't find anything on the wildcards yet,
> maybe waiting a week on format, but i'm assuming we going straight to
> the 16 team bracket.
> -Keith

why is GRIT so low? if you have h2h or common opponents worked out
please share.
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #88 is a reply to message #79] Mon, 22 September 2008 11:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kdoe
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Looks fairly good to me, I figure that Black Angus will probably fill
in for an East Coast Section team, assuming Jojah info is correct.

1. Chain(EC1)
2. Doublewide(TX1)
3. Ronin(FL1)
4. El Diablo (EC2, higher RRI than Arkansas, no common opponents)
5. Arkansas(GC1)
6. Overthrow (EC3, beat Uproar)
7. Uproar (Fl2, 1-1 with Ronin)
8. Ironmen (GC2, beat Grit)
9. Grit (TX2)
10. Suess (TX3, beat Turbodog)
11. For the Story (FL3, 1-2 with Uproar, no real info from Florida
teams)
12. Riverside (TX4, 1-1 with Turbo, but had latest win)
13. Turbodog(GC3)
14. Nooga Please(EC4)
15. Buffalo(GC4)
16. EC5 or TX5(Black Angus?)

On Sep 22, 1:23 pm, Rich Johnston <henry.johns...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 22, 2:01 pm, BJ <ut.bj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 22, 10:48 am, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Just a first look:
> > > 1. Chain Lightning (EC1)
> > > 2. Doublewide (TX1)
> > > 3. Ronin (FL1)
> > > 4. El Diablo (EC2)
> > > 5. Ludicrous Speed (GC1)
> > > 6. Iron Men (GC2)
> > > 7. Overthrow (EC3)
> > > 8. Grit (TX2)
> > > 9. Uproar (FL2)
> > > 10. Seuss (TX3)
> > > 11. For The Story (FL3)
> > > 12. Jojah (EC4)
> > > 13. Riverside (TX4)
> > > 14. Turbodog (GC3)
> > > 15. Buffalo (GC4)
> > > 16. (EC5)
>
> > > Note: Uproar and Seuss swapped to avoid sectional rematch. Also, EC5
> > > should be 15 and Buffalo 16 to avoid a sectional rematch between EC1
> > > and EC5, everything else was pretty easy and fell in line with the
> > > RRI.
>
> > > I'm not sure who finished 5th in the East Coast, can anyone comment on
> > > the likelihood of the FL and EC teams coming to Austin? I would assume
> > > Jojah, Buffalo, and EC5 are the only questionable attendees.
>
> > > Do we have 2 bids, I couldn't find anything on the wildcards yet,
> > > maybe waiting a week on format, but i'm assuming we going straight to
> > > the 16 team bracket.
> > > -Keith
>
> > why is GRIT so low? if you have h2h or common opponents worked out
> > please share.
>
> More recent loss to Ludicrous Speed, loss to Iron Men, lower RRI than
> Overthrow (though very close).  Seems reasonable to me.
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #89 is a reply to message #79] Mon, 22 September 2008 11:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rich Johnston
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On Sep 22, 2:01 pm, BJ <ut.bj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 22, 10:48 am, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Just a first look:
> > 1. Chain Lightning (EC1)
> > 2. Doublewide (TX1)
> > 3. Ronin (FL1)
> > 4. El Diablo (EC2)
> > 5. Ludicrous Speed (GC1)
> > 6. Iron Men (GC2)
> > 7. Overthrow (EC3)
> > 8. Grit (TX2)
> > 9. Uproar (FL2)
> > 10. Seuss (TX3)
> > 11. For The Story (FL3)
> > 12. Jojah (EC4)
> > 13. Riverside (TX4)
> > 14. Turbodog (GC3)
> > 15. Buffalo (GC4)
> > 16. (EC5)
>
> > Note: Uproar and Seuss swapped to avoid sectional rematch. Also, EC5
> > should be 15 and Buffalo 16 to avoid a sectional rematch between EC1
> > and EC5, everything else was pretty easy and fell in line with the
> > RRI.
>
> > I'm not sure who finished 5th in the East Coast, can anyone comment on
> > the likelihood of the FL and EC teams coming to Austin? I would assume
> > Jojah, Buffalo, and EC5 are the only questionable attendees.
>
> > Do we have 2 bids, I couldn't find anything on the wildcards yet,
> > maybe waiting a week on format, but i'm assuming we going straight to
> > the 16 team bracket.
> > -Keith
>
> why is GRIT so low? if you have h2h or common opponents worked out
> please share.

More recent loss to Ludicrous Speed, loss to Iron Men, lower RRI than
Overthrow (though very close). Seems reasonable to me.
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #92 is a reply to message #79] Mon, 22 September 2008 11:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Keith.Larsen.TX
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Grit could be higher, common opponents would put them even with
Ludicrous Speed, but below Iron Men.

We are 1-1 against Ludicrous Speed, the win was in Texas with both
teams at full strength, Arkansas won the tournament. The loss was on
Sunday in the losers bracket in Chicago and both teams were missing
players. Tie breaker would be that Lud. Speed is 1-0 against Iron Men,
Grit is 0-1. This put Iron Men above them also.

If we are just looking at series results only you COULD go:
5. Ludicrous Speed
6. Grit
7. Iron Men (moved down due to Turbodog loss...)
8. Overthrow
9. Suess
10. Uproar
11. For the Story
12. Riverside (taking out Jojah...)
13. Turbodog
14. Nooga Please
15. Buffalo
16. (Juice/Smokeshack? who will get the EC5 bid)

This probably wouldn't go over to well with Iron Men, I think Grit
SHOULD be there but the loss at Heatout hurts us. Anyone know who
Buffalo is? Where they are from and if we will see them in Austin?
-Keith
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #96 is a reply to message #88] Mon, 22 September 2008 11:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kdoe
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I'm fairly sure that Buffalo is Mississippi State. Don't have any
idea on their intentions on going to Regionals or not but I'm fairly
sure Apocalypse Later would fill their spot and would be seeded about
the same way.
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #100 is a reply to message #96] Mon, 22 September 2008 12:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Keith.Larsen.TX
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Those look a lot better Karl, I didn't see that Uproar had beaten
Ronin earlier in the season or that Overthrow had played a close game
with Uproar. Overthrow vs. For the Story, Uproar vs. Seuss, and Grit
vs. Iron Men in the middle seeds all look good.

What is the UPA policy on passing that last bid down? If no EC team
wants it when does it get passed to the next section? And do you go
with the next highest fraction?
GC = 3.76 (4)
FL = 3.14 (3)
TX = 4.08 (4)
EC = 5.02 (5)
The fraction would go to Florida with 0.14 not Texas with 0.08, but
with a 4th Florida team even want to go? Cono maybe, because it looks
like Anejo is masters?

-Keith
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #102 is a reply to message #100] Mon, 22 September 2008 12:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kdoe
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Your right on the allocation of the bid if no EC wants it. It would
get passed to what appears to be Florida, I think I was just assuming
that most likely the bid will have to be filled by a Texas team.

On Sep 22, 2:06 pm, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
> Those look a lot better Karl, I didn't see that Uproar had beaten
> Ronin earlier in the season or that Overthrow had played a close game
> with Uproar. Overthrow vs. For the Story, Uproar vs. Seuss, and Grit
> vs. Iron Men in the middle seeds all look good.
>
> What is the UPA policy on passing that last bid down? If no EC team
> wants it when does it get passed to the next section? And do you go
> with the next highest fraction?
> GC = 3.76 (4)
> FL = 3.14 (3)
> TX = 4.08 (4)
> EC = 5.02 (5)
> The fraction would go to Florida with 0.14 not Texas with 0.08, but
> with a 4th Florida team even want to go? Cono maybe, because it looks
> like Anejo is masters?
>
> -Keith
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #114 is a reply to message #92] Mon, 22 September 2008 12:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CBrowning
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On Sep 22, 1:25 pm, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
> Grit could be higher, common opponents would put them even with
> Ludicrous Speed, but below Iron Men.
>
> We are 1-1 against Ludicrous Speed, the win was in Texas with both
> teams at full strength, Arkansas won the tournament. The loss was on
> Sunday in the losers bracket in Chicago and both teams were missing
> players. Tie breaker would be that Lud. Speed is 1-0 against Iron Men,
> Grit is 0-1. This put Iron Men above them also.
>
> If we are just looking at series results only you COULD go:
> 5. Ludicrous Speed
> 6. Grit
> 7. Iron Men (moved down due to Turbodog loss...)
> 8. Overthrow
> 9. Suess
> 10. Uproar
> 11. For the Story
> 12. Riverside (taking out Jojah...)
> 13. Turbodog
> 14. Nooga Please
> 15. Buffalo
> 16. (Juice/Smokeshack? who will get the EC5 bid)
>
> This probably wouldn't go over to well with Iron Men, I think Grit
> SHOULD be there but the loss at Heatout hurts us. Anyone know who
> Buffalo is? Where they are from and if we will see them in Austin?
> -Keith

Am I misreading the scores from the Texas Sectional or did GRIT really
come in third? If they did come in third, I do not think they would
have much of an argument to be seeded higher than Ludicrous (who won
their section) or Ironmen who beat them head-to-head.

http://www.upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=127&id=5178
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #118 is a reply to message #114] Mon, 22 September 2008 12:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ryan Thompson
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On Sep 22, 12:49 pm, CBrowning <cb.brown...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 22, 1:25 pm, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Grit could be higher, common opponents would put them even with
> > Ludicrous Speed, but below Iron Men.
>
> > We are 1-1 against Ludicrous Speed, the win was in Texas with both
> > teams at full strength, Arkansas won the tournament. The loss was on
> > Sunday in the losers bracket in Chicago and both teams were missing
> > players. Tie breaker would be that Lud. Speed is 1-0 against Iron Men,
> > Grit is 0-1. This put Iron Men above them also.
>
> > If we are just looking at series results only you COULD go:
> > 5. Ludicrous Speed
> > 6. Grit
> > 7. Iron Men (moved down due to Turbodog loss...)
> > 8. Overthrow
> > 9. Suess
> > 10. Uproar
> > 11. For the Story
> > 12. Riverside (taking out Jojah...)
> > 13. Turbodog
> > 14. Nooga Please
> > 15. Buffalo
> > 16. (Juice/Smokeshack? who will get the EC5 bid)
>
> > This probably wouldn't go over to well with Iron Men, I think Grit
> > SHOULD be there but the loss at Heatout hurts us. Anyone know who
> > Buffalo is? Where they are from and if we will see them in Austin?
> > -Keith
>
> Am I misreading the scores from the Texas Sectional or did GRIT really
> come in third?  If they did come in third, I do not think they would
> have much of an argument to be seeded higher than Ludicrous (who won
> their section) or Ironmen who beat them head-to-head.
>
> http://www.upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=127&id=5178

Grit lost to Mileage, a Masters team.
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #125 is a reply to message #114] Mon, 22 September 2008 13:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Keith.Larsen.TX
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I don't think the Mileage placement game means much, they were the 2nd
placement open team going into that game. No one ever said they should
be higher than Ludicrous Speed, just that they have a win over the
potential 5 seed, just like Uproar has a win over the potential 3
seed.

The bigger questionable thing about the texas results are the 6
forfeits, 3 from one team, and why the Black Angus vs. Sault game that
was played to one point was reported as 13-10.

-Keith
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #126 is a reply to message #118] Mon, 22 September 2008 13:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Keith.Larsen.TX
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I think everyone understands that, but do you know any EC teams that
would make the trip? Are you on one of those? Juice and Smokeshack
would be next up... not sure who would be first...

I think we all just want to figure out if the EC and FL teams will use
all of their bids.
-Keith
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #127 is a reply to message #118] Mon, 22 September 2008 13:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
byronthicks
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On Sep 22, 1:53 pm, Ryan Thompson <thomp...@stanford.edu> wrote:
> On Sep 22, 12:49 pm, CBrowning <cb.brown...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 22, 1:25 pm, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Grit could be higher, common opponents would put them even with
> > > Ludicrous Speed, but below Iron Men.
>
> > > We are 1-1 against Ludicrous Speed, the win was in Texas with both
> > > teams at full strength, Arkansas won the tournament. The loss was on
> > > Sunday in the losers bracket in Chicago and both teams were missing
> > > players. Tie breaker would be that Lud. Speed is 1-0 against Iron Men,
> > > Grit is 0-1. This put Iron Men above them also.
>
> > > If we are just looking at series results only you COULD go:
> > > 5. Ludicrous Speed
> > > 6. Grit
> > > 7. Iron Men (moved down due to Turbodog loss...)
> > > 8. Overthrow
> > > 9. Suess
> > > 10. Uproar
> > > 11. For the Story
> > > 12. Riverside (taking out Jojah...)
> > > 13. Turbodog
> > > 14. Nooga Please
> > > 15. Buffalo
> > > 16. (Juice/Smokeshack? who will get the EC5 bid)
>
> > > This probably wouldn't go over to well with Iron Men, I think Grit
> > > SHOULD be there but the loss at Heatout hurts us. Anyone know who
> > > Buffalo is? Where they are from and if we will see them in Austin?
> > > -Keith
>
> > Am I misreading the scores from the Texas Sectional or did GRIT really
> > come in third?  If they did come in third, I do not think they would
> > have much of an argument to be seeded higher than Ludicrous (who won
> > their section) or Ironmen who beat them head-to-head.
>
> >http://www.upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=127&id=5178
>
> Grit lost to Mileage, a Masters team.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

If Jojah passes on their bid it works it's way through the east coast
section before it goes to the next section.
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #130 is a reply to message #126] Mon, 22 September 2008 13:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
McCargo
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Yes:

"(EC5) = Nooga Please. (chattanooga, tn)

and we do plan on making the trek to Austin, TX. "
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #134 is a reply to message #130] Mon, 22 September 2008 14:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Keith.Larsen.TX
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On Sep 22, 3:51 pm, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes:
>
> "(EC5) = Nooga Please. (chattanooga, tn)
>
> and we do plan on making the trek to Austin, TX. "

EC1 - Chain Lightning
EC2 - El Diablo
EC3 - Overthrow
4th place - Jojah (passed on bid)
EC4 - Garnet and Black
EC5 - Nooga Please

Do we know if Garnet and Black are accepting the bid, that would make
Nooga Please EC4... I guess I assumed to quick that Garnet and Black
weren't coming, can anyone confirm if they are headin to Austin, this
would end the whole bid passing discussion.
-Keith
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #141 is a reply to message #92] Mon, 22 September 2008 14:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dahamma
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On Sep 22, 1:25 pm, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
> Grit could be higher, common opponents would put them even with
> Ludicrous Speed, but below Iron Men.
>
> We are 1-1 against Ludicrous Speed, the win was in Texas with both
> teams at full strength, Arkansas won the tournament. The loss was on
> Sunday in the losers bracket in Chicago and both teams were missing
> players. Tie breaker would be that Lud. Speed is 1-0 against Iron Men,
> Grit is 0-1. This put Iron Men above them also.
>
> If we are just looking at series results only you COULD go:
> 5. Ludicrous Speed
> 6. Grit
> 7. Iron Men (moved down due to Turbodog loss...)
> 8. Overthrow
> 9. Suess
> 10. Uproar
> 11. For the Story
> 12. Riverside (taking out Jojah...)
> 13. Turbodog
> 14. Nooga Please
> 15. Buffalo
> 16. (Juice/Smokeshack? who will get the EC5 bid)
>
> This probably wouldn't go over to well with Iron Men, I think Grit
> SHOULD be there but the loss at Heatout hurts us. Anyone know who
> Buffalo is? Where they are from and if we will see them in Austin?
> -Keith

I think the seeding works out pretty well based on the first run at
it. Buffalo (Miss State & a couple of Ole Miss kids) is a good team
(will likely break seed) without a lot of subs. They have the
intention of making the trip.

Ironmen should be seeded above Grit based on head to head and that we
beat Turbo convincingly in the revenge game Sunday taking 2nd in our
section.

Ludicrous is legit. Wish we had had a shot at them, but it wasn't to
be this weekend. They definitely deserve 4/5 spot based on Two-Finger,
CHC and GC Sects.

There might be a couple of upsets to break seed, but isn't that why we
play the game?

- Jay
Ironmen
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #143 is a reply to message #141] Mon, 22 September 2008 15:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kdoe
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Ya sorry about that to Garnet and Black. It had seemed from Keith's
earlier posts that he knew that they weren't coming for sure, so I
went ahead and assumed that as well.

On Sep 22, 4:51 pm, daha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 22, 1:25 pm, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Grit could be higher, common opponents would put them even with
> > Ludicrous Speed, but below Iron Men.
>
> > We are 1-1 against Ludicrous Speed, the win was in Texas with both
> > teams at full strength, Arkansas won the tournament. The loss was on
> > Sunday in the losers bracket in Chicago and both teams were missing
> > players. Tie breaker would be that Lud. Speed is 1-0 against Iron Men,
> > Grit is 0-1. This put Iron Men above them also.
>
> > If we are just looking at series results only you COULD go:
> > 5. Ludicrous Speed
> > 6. Grit
> > 7. Iron Men (moved down due to Turbodog loss...)
> > 8. Overthrow
> > 9. Suess
> > 10. Uproar
> > 11. For the Story
> > 12. Riverside (taking out Jojah...)
> > 13. Turbodog
> > 14. Nooga Please
> > 15. Buffalo
> > 16. (Juice/Smokeshack? who will get the EC5 bid)
>
> > This probably wouldn't go over to well with Iron Men, I think Grit
> > SHOULD be there but the loss at Heatout hurts us. Anyone know who
> > Buffalo is? Where they are from and if we will see them in Austin?
> > -Keith
>
> I think the seeding works out pretty well based on the first run at
> it. Buffalo (Miss State & a couple of Ole Miss kids) is a good team
> (will likely break seed) without a lot of subs. They have the
> intention of making the trip.
>
> Ironmen should be seeded above Grit based on head to head and that we
> beat Turbo convincingly in the revenge game Sunday taking 2nd in our
> section.
>
> Ludicrous is legit. Wish we had had a shot at them, but it wasn't to
> be this weekend. They definitely deserve 4/5 spot based on Two-Finger,
> CHC and GC Sects.
>
> There might be a couple of upsets to break seed, but isn't that why we
> play the game?
>
> - Jay
> Ironmen
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #144 is a reply to message #134] Mon, 22 September 2008 15:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BFG
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On Sep 22, 5:07 pm, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 22, 3:51 pm, McCargo <mcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes:
>
> > "(EC5) = Nooga Please. (chattanooga, tn)
>
> > and we do plan on making the trek to Austin, TX. "
>
> EC1 - Chain Lightning
> EC2 - El Diablo
> EC3 - Overthrow
> 4th place - Jojah (passed on bid)
> EC4 - Garnet and Black
> EC5 - Nooga Please
>
> Do we know if Garnet and Black are accepting the bid, that would make
> Nooga Please EC4... I guess I assumed to quick that Garnet and Black
> weren't coming, can anyone confirm if they are headin to Austin, this
> would end the whole bid passing discussion.
> -Keith

Garnet and Black won't be heading to Austin. Sorry if that doesn't
help with the bid passing bit.
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #149 is a reply to message #144] Mon, 22 September 2008 15:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Keith.Larsen.TX
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> Garnet and Black won't be heading to Austin. Sorry if that doesn't
> help with the bid passing bit.- Hide quoted text -
>

Back to where we started,

EC1 - Chain Lightning
EC2 - El Diablo
EC3 - Overthrow
4th place - Jojah (passed on bid)
5th place - Garnet and Black (passed on bid)
EC4 - Nooga Please
T7th - Juice and Smokeshack (who gets it?, who wants it?)

-Keith
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #158 is a reply to message #149] Mon, 22 September 2008 17:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Arvil
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On Sep 22, 6:49 pm, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Garnet and Black won't be heading to Austin. Sorry if that doesn't
> > help with the bid passing bit.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Back to where we started,
>
> EC1 - Chain Lightning
> EC2 - El Diablo
> EC3 - Overthrow
> 4th place - Jojah (passed on bid)
> 5th place - Garnet and Black (passed on bid)
> EC4 - Nooga Please
> T7th - Juice and Smokeshack (who gets it?, who wants it?)
>
> -Keith

no thanks
- juice
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #183 is a reply to message #158] Mon, 22 September 2008 20:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
footblock
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I believe all 3 of the Florida section teams are coming to Austin.
Florida-A actually qualified I think but said ahead of time they
werent going, so For the Story who got 4th is going instead.
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #211 is a reply to message #183] Tue, 23 September 2008 05:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tahj67
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On Sep 22, 11:02 pm, footbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> I believe all 3 of the Florida section teams are coming to Austin.
> Florida-A actually qualified I think but said ahead of time they
> werent going, so For the Story who got 4th is going instead.

Not sure if I am posting my comment correctly. First time using a
forum like this.

I am the Black Angus Captain and we are very interested in a bid to
regionals. We did not forfiet any games. We took the 6th spot after
a game with Sault. I think that Black Angus would be a good addition
to the mix. We have played Turbo Dog twice, losing 12-10 and 13-11.
Our River Side game was very competitive even if the score is
lopsided. Plus Houston has consistently put a good showing at
Regionals. Last year we went in seeded 13th and finished 9th I
believe.
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #220 is a reply to message #88] Tue, 23 September 2008 07:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
riverrunner68
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On Sep 22, 1:30 pm, kdoe <kdo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks fairly good to me, I figure that Black Angus will probably fill
> in for an East Coast Section team, assuming Jojah info is correct.
>
> 1. Chain(EC1)
> 2. Doublewide(TX1)
> 3. Ronin(FL1)
> 4. El Diablo (EC2, higher RRI than Arkansas, no common opponents)
> 5. Arkansas(GC1)
> 6. Overthrow (EC3, beat Uproar)
> 7. Uproar (Fl2, 1-1 with Ronin)
> 8. Ironmen (GC2, beat Grit)
> 9. Grit (TX2)
> 10. Suess (TX3, beat Turbodog)
> 11. For the Story (FL3, 1-2 with Uproar, no real info from Florida
> teams)
> 12. Riverside (TX4, 1-1 with Turbo, but had latest win)
> 13. Turbodog(GC3)
> 14. Nooga Please(EC4)
> 15. Buffalo(GC4)
> 16. EC5 or TX5(Black Angus?)
>
> On Sep 22, 1:23 pm, Rich  Johnston <henry.johns...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 22, 2:01 pm, BJ <ut.bj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 22, 10:48 am, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > Just a first look:
> > > > 1. Chain Lightning (EC1)
> > > > 2. Doublewide (TX1)
> > > > 3. Ronin (FL1)
> > > > 4. El Diablo (EC2)
> > > > 5. Ludicrous Speed (GC1)
> > > > 6. Iron Men (GC2)
> > > > 7. Overthrow (EC3)
> > > > 8. Grit (TX2)
> > > > 9. Uproar (FL2)
> > > > 10. Seuss (TX3)
> > > > 11. For The Story (FL3)
> > > > 12. Jojah (EC4)
> > > > 13. Riverside (TX4)
> > > > 14. Turbodog (GC3)
> > > > 15. Buffalo (GC4)
> > > > 16. (EC5)
>
> > > > Note: Uproar and Seuss swapped to avoid sectional rematch. Also, EC5
> > > > should be 15 and Buffalo 16 to avoid a sectional rematch between EC1
> > > > and EC5, everything else was pretty easy and fell in line with the
> > > > RRI.
>
> > > > I'm not sure who finished 5th in the East Coast, can anyone comment on
> > > > the likelihood of the FL and EC teams coming to Austin? I would assume
> > > > Jojah, Buffalo, and EC5 are the only questionable attendees.
>
> > > > Do we have 2 bids, I couldn't find anything on the wildcards yet,
> > > > maybe waiting a week on format, but i'm assuming we going straight to
> > > > the 16 team bracket.
> > > > -Keith
>
> > > why is GRIT so low? if you have h2h or common opponents worked out
> > > please share.
>
> > More recent loss to Ludicrous Speed, loss to Iron Men, lower RRI than
> > Overthrow (though very close).  Seems reasonable to me.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

So you would put Overthrow(EC#3) at 6th because of a close win over
Uproar(FL#2) and put Uproar at 7th. Eventhough Uproar didn't make the
A bracket sunday at Sectionals and only took second at sectionals due
to a Florida forfeit? And Overthrow, more recently then their close
win over Uproar, has a loss to Freaks Uv Nature who placed 9th at Gulf
Coast Sectionals? As imperfect as RRI can be, should it not have some
weight? This is even more true for the teams who have actually
traveled and tested themselves. I Thought Keith's first look at the
seeding was pretty good.
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #232 is a reply to message #100] Tue, 23 September 2008 08:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dude
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On Sep 22, 2:06 pm, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
> Those look a lot better Karl, I didn't see that Uproar had beaten
> Ronin earlier in the season or that Overthrow had played a close game
> with Uproar. Overthrow vs. For the Story, Uproar vs. Seuss, and Grit
> vs. Iron Men in the middle seeds all look good.
>
> What is the UPA policy on passing that last bid down? If no EC team
> wants it when does it get passed to the next section? And do you go
> with the next highest fraction?
> GC = 3.76 (4)
> FL = 3.14 (3)
> TX = 4.08 (4)
> EC = 5.02 (5)
> The fraction would go to Florida with 0.14 not Texas with 0.08, but
> with a 4th Florida team even want to go? Cono maybe, because it looks
> like Anejo is masters?
>
> -Keith

Yeah I think you have stated it correctly. The bid will first be
offered to the next non-forfeiting east coast team and if the bid is
declined the same offer will be extended to subsequently placed EC
teams. If no EC team accepts the bid then it will be offered to the FL
section team. (assuming all team registrations were ontime. I don't
know how the late registration bc of college team extension impacts
official team count.) So if no one wants to come from EC or FL to
sectionals then I guess Black Anus will get to drive to austin to get
their asses handed to them in every single game. When I say "every
single game", I mean both games they will play before they are
eliminated.

Unaccepted bids
If a team forfeits its bid to Regionals, the bid will be offered to
the next highest finishing (eligible) team from the forfeiting team's
section. This procedure will be followed until the bid is awarded.
If no teams in that section accept the bid, this process will be
repeated starting with the section next in line to receive a bid
according to the allocation formula.
If a team drops out less than one week prior to the tournament, the
Regional Coordinator may accelerate the above process by shortening
response times and immediately contacting all potential replacement
teams.
If the spot has not been filled 3 days prior to the tournament, the RC
may award the bid at his/her discretion with the approval of the
National Division Director
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #262 is a reply to message #58] Tue, 23 September 2008 10:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TwentySix
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On Sep 22, 10:48 am, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
> Just a first look:
> 1. Chain Lightning (EC1)
> 2. Doublewide (TX1)
> 3. Ronin (FL1)
> 4. El Diablo (EC2)
> 5. Ludicrous Speed (GC1)
> 6. Iron Men (GC2)
> 7. Overthrow (EC3)
> 8. Grit (TX2)
> 9. Uproar (FL2)
> 10. Seuss (TX3)
> 11. For The Story (FL3)
> 12. Jojah (EC4)
> 13. Riverside (TX4)
> 14. Turbodog (GC3)
> 15. Buffalo (GC4)
> 16. (EC5)
>
> Note: Uproar and Seuss swapped to avoid sectional rematch. Also, EC5
> should be 15 and Buffalo 16 to avoid a sectional rematch between EC1
> and EC5, everything else was pretty easy and fell in line with the
> RRI.
>
> I'm not sure who finished 5th in the East Coast, can anyone comment on
> the likelihood of the FL and EC teams coming to Austin? I would assume
> Jojah, Buffalo, and EC5 are the only questionable attendees.
>
> Do we have 2 bids, I couldn't find anything on the wildcards yet,
> maybe waiting a week on format, but i'm assuming we going straight to
> the 16 team bracket.
> -Keith

I think the first pass made is the correct look at the seedings, at
least for the top 10 teams. I think that taking RRI and head to head
wins and losses into account, this is the most fair ranking that i
have seen.

arguing about the strength of your team at any given tournament due to
key players missing is a pretty hollow argument in my opinion.
everybody goes to tournaments without all their players, and everybody
suffers AND gains from that.

i agree with the first pass at the rankings.

-26
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #267 is a reply to message #134] Tue, 23 September 2008 11:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sep 22, 5:07 pm, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
> EC1 - Chain Lightning
> EC2 - El Diablo
> EC3 - Overthrow
> 4th place - Jojah (passed on bid)
> 5th place - Garnet and Black (passed on bid)
> EC4 - Nooga Please

No one from East Coast wants the 5th bid. It should go to the section
with the highest decimal remainder (Florida, if the numbers posted
above are correct). If those three Texas teams wouldn't have bailed
before the tournament, they could have had the extra bid.

-Dusty
East Coast Open SC
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #272 is a reply to message #220] Tue, 23 September 2008 11:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kdoe
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On Sep 23, 9:46 am, riverrunne...@hotmail.com wrote:
>Eventhough Uproar didn't make the
> A bracket sunday at Sectionals and only took second at sectionals due
> to a Florida forfeit?

You are assuming that Uproar would have lost to Florida if Florida had
played. Maybe your right, but I don't know.

We are only discussing 5 spots, the 6-10 seeds. We know 3 of those
seeds relative positions in that Iron Men should be over Grit who has
to be over Suess. I think Uproar's win against what is the easily
agreed on 3rd seeded team, Ronin, boosts them up a bit. So without
other knowledge I'd give them the 6. This is substantiated by a Ronin
captain saying they are fairly strong in their posts about Brodie
being a jackass. Ronin has played or seen most of the teams in
discussion this season, so I'd give their opinion some weight.

Overthrow does have that loss against a team that performed badly at
the Gulf Coast section and the win against Uproar was early and
close. So let's drop them below Iron Men and Grit but before Suess.

This results in:
6. Uproar
7. Iron Men
8. Grit
9. Overthrow
10. Suess

This creates a sectional match against For the Story at the 11 spot
but we could switch them and Riverside. As there aren't really any
results for For the Story, I don't think there is any defense for them
to be over or above Riverside, so should be fine.

11. Riverside
12. For the Story

On Sep 23, 9:46 am, riverrunne...@hotmail.com wrote:

>
> So you would put Overthrow(EC#3) at 6th because of a close win over
> Uproar(FL#2) and put Uproar at 7th.  Eventhough Uproar didn't make the
> A bracket sunday at Sectionals and only took second at sectionals due
> to a Florida forfeit?  And Overthrow, more recently then their close
> win over Uproar, has a loss to Freaks Uv Nature who placed 9th at Gulf
> Coast Sectionals?  As imperfect as RRI can be, should it not have some
> weight?  This is even more true for the teams who have actually
> traveled and tested themselves.  I Thought Keith's first look at the
> seeding was pretty good.
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #278 is a reply to message #272] Tue, 23 September 2008 12:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CBrowning
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On Sep 23, 1:52 pm, kdoe <kdo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 23, 9:46 am, riverrunne...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> We are only discussing 5 spots, the 6-10 seeds.  We know 3 of those
> seeds relative positions in that Iron Men should be over Grit who has
> to be over Suess.  I think Uproar's win against what is the easily
> agreed on 3rd seeded team, Ronin, boosts them up a bit.  So without
> other knowledge I'd give them the 6.  This is substantiated by a Ronin
> captain saying they are fairly strong in their posts about Brodie
> being a jackass.  Ronin has played or seen most of the teams in
> discussion this season, so I'd give their opinion some weight.

I feel like that win over Ronin is made pretty irrelevant since they
were trashed by them 13-4 this weekend.
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #292 is a reply to message #272] Tue, 23 September 2008 13:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
erccarp
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>
> Overthrow does have that loss against a team that performed badly at
> the Gulf Coast section and the win against Uproar was early and
> close.  So let's drop them below Iron Men and Grit but before Suess.
>
>


Overthrow does have a bad 12-13 loss to Freaks of Nature (which it
avenged the next morning with a 15-3 win). Their only other losses
this season are to the consense 1 and 4 seeds. Uproar has bad losses
to Mark it Zero, actually losing to them twice at Hypothermia, before
avenging the loses with a less impressive 11-8 victory at sectionals.

If you are going to penalize Overthrow for a one point loss to a bad
team which it demolished the next day, you should also penalize Uproar
for two loses to a bad team.

Both teams lost to a bad team so head to head Overthrow defeated
Uproar...How can you rank Uproar higher?
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #302 is a reply to message #272] Tue, 23 September 2008 14:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
riverrunner68
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On Sep 23, 1:52 pm, kdoe <kdo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 23, 9:46 am, riverrunne...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >Eventhough Uproar didn't make the
> > A bracket sunday at Sectionals and only took second at sectionals due
> > to a Florida forfeit?
>
> You are assuming that Uproar would have lost to Florida if Florida had
> played.  Maybe your right, but I don't know.
>
> We are only discussing 5 spots, the 6-10 seeds.  We know 3 of those
> seeds relative positions in that Iron Men should be over Grit who has
> to be over Suess.  I think Uproar's win against what is the easily
> agreed on 3rd seeded team, Ronin, boosts them up a bit.  So without
> other knowledge I'd give them the 6.  This is substantiated by a Ronin
> captain saying they are fairly strong in their posts about Brodie
> being a jackass.  Ronin has played or seen most of the teams in
> discussion this season, so I'd give their opinion some weight.
>
> Overthrow does have that loss against a team that performed badly at
> the Gulf Coast section and the win against Uproar was early and
> close.  So let's drop them below Iron Men and Grit but before Suess.
>
> This results in:
> 6. Uproar
> 7. Iron Men
> 8. Grit
> 9. Overthrow
> 10. Suess
>
> This creates a sectional match against For the Story at the 11 spot
> but we could switch them and Riverside.  As there aren't really any
> results for For the Story, I don't think there is any defense for them
> to be over or above Riverside, so should be fine.
>
> 11. Riverside
> 12. For the Story
>
> On Sep 23, 9:46 am, riverrunne...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > So you would put Overthrow(EC#3) at 6th because of a close win over
> > Uproar(FL#2) and put Uproar at 7th.  Eventhough Uproar didn't make the
> > A bracket sunday at Sectionals and only took second at sectionals due
> > to a Florida forfeit?  And Overthrow, more recently then their close
> > win over Uproar, has a loss to Freaks Uv Nature who placed 9th at Gulf
> > Coast Sectionals?  As imperfect as RRI can be, should it not have some
> > weight?  This is even more true for the teams who have actually
> > traveled and tested themselves.  I Thought Keith's first look at the
> > seeding was pretty good.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

> You are assuming that Uproar would have lost to Florida if Florida had
> played. Maybe your right, but I don't know.

I'm not assuming anything. They didn't beat Florida. Florida; who
gave Ronin their closest game at sectionals at 7-13; forfeited.
Uproar not only got waxed 13-4 by Ronin at sectionals they also got
thumped 10-5 by "for the story". Yes they got revenge on "for the
story" but 12-9 is a little closer.

I wouldn't put Uproar or Overthrow above the Iron Men or Grit, for
that matter. Look at the number of Quality Tournaments these 2 teams
went to this year. RRI works best with a lot of exposure. I agree
that missing players is a poor argument to make, however when your
team travels from Birmingham to Chicago and North Carolina, or Dallas
to Chesapeake and Chicago; the argument holds a bit more water. In
my mind the only reason to have either team above Grit would be to
avoid a Sectionals rematch. If you still have any doubt look to
scores between common opponents for Heatout between Iron Men, Ronin,
and Grit.

I play for the Iron Men. Saturday's game at sectionals against Turbo
Dog was a rainy, windy, 4 turnovers per point kind of game. Sunday
was a nice day. That is a poor excuse for lousy performance, but
similar conditions helped Double wide win Regionals over Chain last
year. We still shouldn't have lost that game but weather does have a
way of leveling the playing field.
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #305 is a reply to message #302] Tue, 23 September 2008 15:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Keith.Larsen.TX
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Don't read too much into scores, Wins and losses are the only thing
that matters. Series results should also dominate season results
because you never know the circumstances of those games.

At sectionals:
Overthrow is 6-2 losing only to higher seeds
Grit is 2-1 losing only to a higher seed (excluding the 2 masters
games)
Iron Man is 6-1 losing to a lower seed
Uproar is 5-2 losing one game to a lower seed (excluding the forfeit)

Season wins against higher [top 5] seeds:
Grit - 1 win against Ludicrous Speed
Uproar - 1 win against Ronin
Iron Men - 0 wins against top 5 seeds
Overthrow - 0 wins against top 5 seeds

You can look at this several ways, Iron Men did beat Grit head-to-head
this season, but Grit beat Iron Men last year at the same tournament
and Iron Men was seeded 2 spots higher than Grit at regionals last
year due to Grit's loss to Hibachi!, shouldn't Iron Men be punished
the same this year? With Uproar's loss to For the Story they are in
the same boat. Seeding should be:

6. Grit (for the win over Ark. and not losing to a lower seed)
7. Overthrow (for not losing to a lower seed, but not beating a higher
seed)
8. Iron Men (below 6 and 7 for losing IN THE SERIES to a lower seed)
9. Uproar (below 6 and 7 for losing IN THE SERIES to a lower seed)

The 8 and 9 are reversible since they play each other, Uproar could
make a case to be higher than Iron Man for their Ronin win, but should
be 9th due to the For the Story loss.

-Keith
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #312 is a reply to message #305] Tue, 23 September 2008 17:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kdoe
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On Sep 23, 5:30 pm, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
> Don't read too much into scores, Wins and losses are the only thing
> that matters. Series results should also dominate season results
> because you never know the circumstances of those games.
>
> At sectionals:
> Overthrow is 6-2 losing only to higher seeds
> Grit is 2-1 losing only to a higher seed (excluding the 2 masters
> games)
> Iron Man is 6-1 losing to a lower seed
> Uproar is 5-2 losing one game to a lower seed (excluding the forfeit)
>
> Season wins against higher [top 5] seeds:
> Grit - 1 win against Ludicrous Speed
> Uproar - 1 win against Ronin
> Iron Men - 0 wins against top 5 seeds
> Overthrow - 0 wins against top 5 seeds
>
> You can look at this several ways, Iron Men did beat Grit head-to-head
> this season, but Grit beat Iron Men last year at the same tournament
> and Iron Men was seeded 2 spots higher than Grit at regionals last
> year due to Grit's loss to Hibachi!, shouldn't Iron Men be punished
> the same this year? With Uproar's loss to For the Story they are in
> the same boat. Seeding should be:
>
> 6. Grit (for the win over Ark. and not losing to a lower seed)
> 7. Overthrow (for not losing to a lower seed, but not beating a higher
> seed)
> 8. Iron Men (below 6 and 7 for losing IN THE SERIES to a lower seed)
> 9. Uproar (below 6 and 7 for losing IN THE SERIES to a lower seed)
>
> The 8 and 9 are reversible since they play each other, Uproar could
> make a case to be higher than Iron Man for their Ronin win, but should
> be 9th due to the For the Story loss.
>
> -Keith

I like to look at it in a different way(which we could all do all
day). I think at tournaments, finishing higher than an opponent can
weigh as much as individual losses at said tournament. Especially in
pool play where wins and losses don't really matter as long as you end
up in the championship bracket. You may want to give your weaker
players a little more play time, just rest everyone, or whatever
because you know it'll help your team the next day and in the
future.

So lets look at wins/losses and overall tourney finishes.

Iron Men: 1-0 against Grit. Finished higher than Grit at Heatout and
CHC. Did lose to Turbo at sectionals but finished higher than them at
the tournament, making that loss less meaningful. 0-1 against
Ludicrous at CHC but did finish higher.

Grit: 1-1 with Ludicrous but finished lower than LS at both
tournaments they played each other at.

Overthrow: 1-0 with Uproar, not sure how they finished respective to
each other at that tourney. 1-1 with Freaks, but did finish higher
than them. Only other losses are to established 1 seed and 4 seed for
Regional tournament.

Uproar: 1-1 with Ronin, also 1-1 as far as higher tournament finishes
go.

Suess: Nothing really to compare with Uproar or Overthrow, and should
be below Grit and Iron Men. 0-1 against Ronin seems to put them below
Uproar.

Sorry to Overthrow for seeding them so low on my last seeding. I
forgot you had beaten Uproar and I agree with you that that Freaks
loss doesn't mean much. It's very hard to seed Uproar as they don't
have a lot to go on but had some losses to a team that didn't make
Regionals, but so did Grit. I should have taken more time before my
last seeding, and may have lost any weight I may have had before on
this discussion but here goes:

6. Overthrow
7. Iron Men
8. Uproar/Grit
9. Grit/Uproar
10. Suess
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #314 is a reply to message #305] Tue, 23 September 2008 17:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Toboggan
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Thank God. Another ridiculously long topic about what south region
seedings just might be. I really can't wait to hear who had bad
losses but were missing key players at the time, so really they
shouldn't matter and it was kind of windy and the ground had
substantial dew, so using that game as an indicator of seedings would
be just like using a game of hopscotch as a factor, and they should be
seeded 6 instead of 7 which will really make a big difference in the
big scheme of things. Fuck the south region.
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #316 is a reply to message #314] Tue, 23 September 2008 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
andrewroca
Messages: 68
Registered: September 2008
Location: Central Florida
Member
On Sep 23, 8:32 pm, Toboggan <soccrG...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thank God.  Another ridiculously long topic about what south region
> seedings just might be.  I really can't wait to hear who had bad
> losses but were missing key players at the time, so really they
> shouldn't matter and it was kind of windy and the ground had
> substantial dew, so using that game as an indicator of seedings would
> be just like using a game of hopscotch as a factor, and they should be
> seeded 6 instead of 7 which will really make a big difference in the
> big scheme of things.  Fuck the south region.

Fuck the South?! FTW, FTS! Fuck The World, For The Story!

There is a reason why we are here...


-Rawwwwwr
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #319 is a reply to message #316] Tue, 23 September 2008 18:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
footblock
Messages: 119
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
I agree. We all know this is really just a 3 team battle for 2 spots.
The rest of the teams should just have fun and not worry about what
your initial seed is because it aint gonna be in the top 2.

praying he doesnt have to eat crow....


> > Thank God.  Another ridiculously long topic about what south region
> > seedings just might be.  I really can't wait to hear who had bad
> > losses but were missing key players at the time, so really they
> > shouldn't matter and it was kind of windy and the ground had
> > substantial dew, so using that game as an indicator of seedings would
> > be just like using a game of hopscotch as a factor, and they should be
> > seeded 6 instead of 7 which will really make a big difference in the
> > big scheme of things.  Fuck the south region.
>
..
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #351 is a reply to message #220] Wed, 24 September 2008 07:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
nvs333
Messages: 1
Registered: September 2008
Junior Member
On Sep 23, 10:46 am, riverrunne...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 22, 1:30 pm, kdoe <kdo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Looks fairly good to me, I figure that Black Angus will probably fill
> > in for an East Coast Section team, assuming Jojah info is correct.
>
> > 1. Chain(EC1)
> > 2. Doublewide(TX1)
> > 3. Ronin(FL1)
> > 4. El Diablo (EC2, higher RRI than Arkansas, no common opponents)
> > 5. Arkansas(GC1)
> > 6. Overthrow (EC3, beat Uproar)
> > 7. Uproar (Fl2, 1-1 with Ronin)
> > 8. Ironmen (GC2, beat Grit)
> > 9. Grit (TX2)
> > 10. Suess (TX3, beat Turbodog)
> > 11. For the Story (FL3, 1-2 with Uproar, no real info from Florida
> > teams)
> > 12. Riverside (TX4, 1-1 with Turbo, but had latest win)
> > 13. Turbodog(GC3)
> > 14. Nooga Please(EC4)
> > 15. Buffalo(GC4)
> > 16. EC5 or TX5(Black Angus?)
>
> > On Sep 22, 1:23 pm, Rich  Johnston <henry.johns...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 22, 2:01 pm, BJ <ut.bj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 22, 10:48 am, Keith.Larsen...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > Just a first look:
> > > > > 1. Chain Lightning (EC1)
> > > > > 2. Doublewide (TX1)
> > > > > 3. Ronin (FL1)
> > > > > 4. El Diablo (EC2)
> > > > > 5. Ludicrous Speed (GC1)
> > > > > 6. Iron Men (GC2)
> > > > > 7. Overthrow (EC3)
> > > > > 8. Grit (TX2)
> > > > > 9. Uproar (FL2)
> > > > > 10. Seuss (TX3)
> > > > > 11. For The Story (FL3)
> > > > > 12. Jojah (EC4)
> > > > > 13. Riverside (TX4)
> > > > > 14. Turbodog (GC3)
> > > > > 15. Buffalo (GC4)
> > > > > 16. (EC5)
>
> > > > > Note: Uproar and Seuss swapped to avoid sectional rematch. Also, EC5
> > > > > should be 15 and Buffalo 16 to avoid a sectional rematch between EC1
> > > > > and EC5, everything else was pretty easy and fell in line with the
> > > > > RRI.
>
> > > > > I'm not sure who finished 5th in the East Coast, can anyone comment on
> > > > > the likelihood of the FL and EC teams coming to Austin? I would assume
> > > > > Jojah, Buffalo, and EC5 are the only questionable attendees.
>
> > > > > Do we have 2 bids, I couldn't find anything on the wildcards yet,
> > > > > maybe waiting a week on format, but i'm assuming we going straight to
> > > > > the 16 team bracket.
> > > > > -Keith
>
> > > > why is GRIT so low? if you have h2h or common opponents worked out
> > > > please share.
>
> > > More recent loss to Ludicrous Speed, loss to Iron Men, lower RRI than
> > > Overthrow (though very close).  Seems reasonable to me.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> So you would put Overthrow(EC#3) at 6th because of a close win over
> Uproar(FL#2) and put Uproar at 7th.  Eventhough Uproar didn't make the
> A bracket sunday at Sectionals and only took second at sectionals due
> to a Florida forfeit?  And Overthrow, more recently then their close
> win over Uproar, has a loss to Freaks Uv Nature who placed 9th at Gulf
> Coast Sectionals?  As imperfect as RRI can be, should it not have some
> weight?  This is even more true for the teams who have actually
> traveled and tested themselves.  I Thought Keith's first look at the
> seeding was pretty good.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

A fly in the seeding ointment ... Uproar will not be coming to Austin.
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #356 is a reply to message #316] Wed, 24 September 2008 08:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BJ
Messages: 197
Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On Sep 23, 7:59 pm, andrewr...@comcast.net wrote:
> On Sep 23, 8:32 pm, Toboggan <soccrG...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank God.  Another ridiculously long topic about what south region
> > seedings just might be.  I really can't wait to hear who had bad
> > losses but were missing key players at the time, so really they
> > shouldn't matter and it was kind of windy and the ground had
> > substantial dew, so using that game as an indicator of seedings would
> > be just like using a game of hopscotch as a factor, and they should be
> > seeded 6 instead of 7 which will really make a big difference in the
> > big scheme of things.  Fuck the south region.
>
> Fuck the South?! FTW, FTS! Fuck The World, For The Story!
>
> There is a reason why we are here...

To take the title for worst team name!!?
Re: South Open Regional Seedings [message #382 is a reply to message #356] Wed, 24 September 2008 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
andrewroca
Messages: 68
Registered: September 2008
Location: Central Florida
Member
On Sep 24, 11:15 am, BJ <ut.bj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 23, 7:59 pm, andrewr...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > On Sep 23, 8:32 pm, Toboggan <soccrG...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Thank God.  Another ridiculously long topic about what south region
> > > seedings just might be.  I really can't wait to hear who had bad
> > > losses but were missing key players at the time, so really they
> > > shouldn't matter and it was kind of windy and the ground had
> > > substantial dew, so using that game as an indicator of seedings would
> > > be just like using a game of hopscotch as a factor, and they should be
> > > seeded 6 instead of 7 which will really make a big difference in the
> > > big scheme of things.  Fuck the south region.
>
> > Fuck the South?! FTW, FTS! Fuck The World, For The Story!
>
> > There is a reason why we are here...
>
> To take the title for worst team name!!?

pretty sure that title belongs to texas ultimate frisbee friends.


-Rawwwwwr
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